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PUBLIC OPINION > Women Should Be Allowed to Fight on the Front Lines

SodaHead News 2012/12/04 22:00:00
Marine Capt. Zoe Bedell left duty last year to challenge the Defense Department's policy of excluding women from direct ground combat, arguing that it has limited her potential for promotion. But the L.A. Times wanted to know how the public felt, so it asked whether or not women should be allowed to fight on the front lines alongside their male counterparts.

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After more than 1,000 votes, about two-thirds of the public agreed that women should be allowed to fight on the front lines along with men. However, it was a nuanced debate on both sides. For instance, many people who voted "no" admitted that there are probably some women capable of fighting on the front lines, and many people who voted "yes" conceded that some women are probably not cut out for it. The general consensus seemed to be that requirements for fighting on the front lines should be the same for both genders.

Women Want to Be Allowed

Women, for their part, want to have the option. Obviously, this doesn't mean 76% of women felt they could handle the front lines, but they were 13% more likely than men to stand up for their right to do so. But to be fair, the majority of men still agreed. Both genders, for the most part, think women should be allowed on the front lines.

Conservative Skepticism

Conservative voters were much more likely than liberals to oppose women fighting on the front lines -- by about 36%. They were about split on the issue, though ultimately sided in favor of it with a 53% majority. Liberals, on the other hand, were almost completely in favor of it with an 89% majority. Not surprising, since conservatism is more traditional by nature.

Teens Are Totally for It

Though the age breakdown is probably somewhat reflective of the political difference noted above, it was more gradated than usual. From teens to 20-somethings, support became steadily less prominent. Between the ages of 25 and 55, it stayed about the same, and then started dropping again. Voters over the age of 65 were largely against it.

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  • Wulfdane 2012/12/04 23:07:25 (edited)
    Wulfdane
    +18
    Sounds great until you get videos being posted of women being raped, sodomized and tortured to death by terrorists trying to demoralize the public.

    Politically it would be unsustainable and a distraction for military commanders/soldiers that could jeopardize military operations.

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  • John 2013/02/16 18:39:33
    John
    Option? Do men have an option? All men aren't cut out for the front lines either. No options. I'm always told a woman can do anything a man can do so, lets see it in action. Whatever service this country requires of men should be mandatory for women including registering with the selective service.
  • Arianne 2013/02/09 03:28:17
    Arianne
    +1
    I say screw gender bias. Keep the same standards, Dont change and have different standards for men and women, just have one standard and whoever can pass it is in regardless of gender.
  • beanpole 2013/02/06 02:34:37 (edited)
    beanpole
    I think that women are capable and are willing to go into battle right alongside of the men. But, I think that the battle has been popularized and it looks like a big rush and everyone is made a hero. But when a women combatant gets captured, what they go through as and being a woman is hard to fathom and is more real than any movie can express. Very few of the enemies that the US faces are homos, but you can bet your hangy down parts that they ARE heterosexual and can come up with ways to torture a woman that men can not even begin to imagine, and many a male soldier will give up his life trying to protect his female fellowsoldier.
  • John beanpole 2013/02/16 19:35:43
    John
    Male soldiers often give up their lives for fellow male soldiers. It won't take long on the battlefield before the men let go of society's assumption that women are helpless. The torture of male soldiers can and often is sexual and brutal. Sodomy can be done with objects.
  • beanpole John 2013/03/10 02:31:34
    beanpole
    well said.
  • Spooner 2013/02/05 23:30:55
    Spooner
    Why should women be denied the fun of blowing someones head off?

    Sounds good to me, all in the name of peace and democracy of course.
  • Gambit Garrison 2013/02/03 01:22:25
    Gambit Garrison
    I'd like to take it a step further. Make women sign up for the SS. If my sons have to sign up to go die, then so do your daughters. Maybe if we make it an even playing field, the little chicken hawks will stop getting so war happy and none of our sons or daughters will have to worry about the frickin' front line.
  • david 2013/01/17 02:25:48
    david
    +1
    heck ya they bleed for 1 week a month and dont die. maybe they are pretty tough give em a shot
  • Gambit ... david 2013/02/03 01:18:14
    Gambit Garrison
    Don't forget that whole pregnancy and labor thing - when's the last time a guy passed a 10 pounder and lived to tell about it?
  • Bouts2getitpoppinz 2013/01/16 04:11:03
    Bouts2getitpoppinz
    I think the american military needs to grow up just like the rest of the world has.
    the army wants to stay the same immature unequal place the world was back in the 1900s. guess what american military everyone else has grown up time for you to grow up to. Women are not seen as the only good for sandwich making leg spreading punching bags they seen as in the past. There is a reason discrimination and rape is so prevalent in the army.

    They army simply has not grown up and you would think that in a place that pretends to be about discipline integrity and respect that the only thing separating one soldier from the next would be rank and nothing else. Grow up U.S army women and gays and lesbians and people of any race and any religion can be just as capable as anybody else. I know you would like to stay immature and unchanged but if you fight for the freedom of america like you say you do then your military should be a reflection of the freedom you say you uphold.

    In america all citizens are equal and if its true than the army should be a reflection of the fact that everyone is equal. People saying women lack the physical abilities to do the job are no different from scientist who said blacks could never be as educated as whites. No different than the alpha males who think gay ...
    I think the american military needs to grow up just like the rest of the world has.
    the army wants to stay the same immature unequal place the world was back in the 1900s. guess what american military everyone else has grown up time for you to grow up to. Women are not seen as the only good for sandwich making leg spreading punching bags they seen as in the past. There is a reason discrimination and rape is so prevalent in the army.

    They army simply has not grown up and you would think that in a place that pretends to be about discipline integrity and respect that the only thing separating one soldier from the next would be rank and nothing else. Grow up U.S army women and gays and lesbians and people of any race and any religion can be just as capable as anybody else. I know you would like to stay immature and unchanged but if you fight for the freedom of america like you say you do then your military should be a reflection of the freedom you say you uphold.

    In america all citizens are equal and if its true than the army should be a reflection of the fact that everyone is equal. People saying women lack the physical abilities to do the job are no different from scientist who said blacks could never be as educated as whites. No different than the alpha males who think gay men are weaker than them I suggest you look up gareth thomas. The overall point is the rest of america has grown up and its time for the U.S army to follow suit and stop making excuses as to why equality should not exist in an organization that advertises itself to be all about equality unity teamwork discipline and integrity. Its one thing to say your about something its time to actually be about it instead of saying you are about it.
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  • Mary Mary 2013/01/12 05:02:52
    Mary Mary
    I don't believe in it but I think it's up to the woman. Her decision
  • Paul 2013/01/07 23:25:22 (edited)
    Paul
    We need to stop having so many "front lines." All of these unconstitutional, un-declared wars have broken this country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • Ramón 2013/01/01 01:25:15
    Ramón
    Sure teens are for it, they're immortal. The Israeli's have had a different experience. They actually had women in combat, and men compromised personal and unit security to try to rescue women who had been hurt. Not that rescuing anyone is a bad thing (in fact, it's a good thing), but if you done in such a way as to compromise personal or unit security it can be very bad.
  • Bob P. Clarkson 2012/12/30 22:45:06
    Bob P. Clarkson
    There are jobs that most women can't do simply because of their average size and strength. It would be easy to qualify those women for duty. If they could meet and maintain the same standards as required for men in the same position, they should be allowed.
    If you have any doubts, visit Israel and review the operational skills of the women in Israels army.
    BTW, Israel is the ONLY country in the world that has the same draft for women as they do for women. Exceptions for men: physical unable to perform, religious beliefs - BUT men must serve a two year alternative in National Service. Exceptions for women are the same as above; added are pregnancy and motherhood (if a female wants to volunteer who finds herself in those two categories, just like in the USA, they must prove they are physically fit and have permanent child-care arrangements.
    Both men and women who are drafted have to serve 2-3 year terms, based on the job they choose. Both men and women who are drafted must remain in the Reserve Forces until they reach 38 - both may extend in the Reserve if they meet physical requirements of the permanent military.
    I have a young acquaintance who is a stunt women in Hollywood - she also hunts, fishes and loves hiking and camping. She would be a great person in the military. She i...
    There are jobs that most women can't do simply because of their average size and strength. It would be easy to qualify those women for duty. If they could meet and maintain the same standards as required for men in the same position, they should be allowed.
    If you have any doubts, visit Israel and review the operational skills of the women in Israels army.
    BTW, Israel is the ONLY country in the world that has the same draft for women as they do for women. Exceptions for men: physical unable to perform, religious beliefs - BUT men must serve a two year alternative in National Service. Exceptions for women are the same as above; added are pregnancy and motherhood (if a female wants to volunteer who finds herself in those two categories, just like in the USA, they must prove they are physically fit and have permanent child-care arrangements.
    Both men and women who are drafted have to serve 2-3 year terms, based on the job they choose. Both men and women who are drafted must remain in the Reserve Forces until they reach 38 - both may extend in the Reserve if they meet physical requirements of the permanent military.
    I have a young acquaintance who is a stunt women in Hollywood - she also hunts, fishes and loves hiking and camping. She would be a great person in the military. She is also very feminine when she wants to be, regardless if she is dressed up or has just driven a motorcycle through a flaming wall.
    Men, on average, are stronger then men. Women, on average, are tougher mentally, emotionally and physically then most men.
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  • Airwool 2012/12/27 16:39:20
    Airwool
    Equal rights, let 'em go.
  • Psychesvariance 2012/12/17 01:10:21 (edited)
    Psychesvariance
    +12
    Like or not Women have been fighting in every war that US has been involved in. In many cases it has been on the front lines from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, through to Afghanistan. Women may not make perfect Infantry, but they do make superb Pilots who are able to out think their male counterparts by multitasking (i.e tracking several Aircraft mentally while engaging one, according to a Study put forth by none other than The U.S. Air Force (US Aerospace Forces)). Women can handle 12g's as opposed to 9g's (the standard to which many combat aircraft are designed) before blacking out. Victory means having a decisive edge We Have "Lions" on the Ground. Those Lions Need "Valkyries" in the air.
  • ernest.murphy3 2012/12/16 20:34:18
    ernest.murphy3
    +1
    Woman warriors would get the job done. But they need woman Generals to cut through the political BS.
  • Mahegan 2012/12/16 04:38:38
    Mahegan
    +1
    I don't like the thought of people fighting at all. Men or women, fighting is stupid. It's unfortunate that fighting has always been a resort to every problem. Makes me pissed. Oh well, there's nothing I could do about it, but give my opinion.
  • Paul Mahegan 2013/01/07 23:27:44
    Paul
    +1
    There's big money in war. That's why we have so many.

    Read 'War is a Racket' by General Butler.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • joebiz 2012/12/13 23:06:08
    joebiz
    NO WAY. MEN NEITHER.
  • SovereignX 2012/12/13 07:29:40
    SovereignX
    +1
    nobody has given me a good reason y they shouldn't b allowed, women can b capable fighters as well. so what if most of the time they r less physically capable than men, that in itself provides its own advantages, stealth, agility, etc.
  • Baduyo 2012/12/12 06:38:19
    Baduyo
    +9
    Damm Right; Let the men stay home and let the females have their turn; I did mine; so now let them; Personally I think EVERYONE should be required to spend at least 4 years of their life in service to this country;
  • Kai 2012/12/11 20:39:43
    Kai
    The most notable barriers in front-line military effectiveness are not physical. The emotional complications of having women in the same unit as men can be devastating. The natural inclination for men is to protect women. This can be an obstacle to following orders and a detriment to the big picture. The fifth of Sun Tzu's principles governing the Art of War is "method and discipline." Failure of soldiers to put away their emotions and follow the commander's orders undermines this principle and the effectiveness of the military unit.
  • Scandalf 2012/12/11 14:29:49
    Scandalf
    Some women (few) are indeed capable of fighting in front line.
    Sex isn't always a barrier.
  • Azshade 2012/12/11 14:04:19
    Azshade
    Yes, but only if they're not gay or muslim!

    (tongue in cheek people).
  • Scandalf Azshade 2012/12/11 14:27:11
    Scandalf
    HHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!
    What does this have to do with the question?
    So if they're lesbians, they might rape foreign females?
  • Larry 2012/12/11 08:44:49
    Larry
    +1
    If they choose
  • 1776gwash 2012/12/11 05:03:38
    1776gwash
    Draft them all, remember we are equal. LOL
  • QC 2012/12/11 04:18:30
    QC
    +1
    No one should be allowed on the front lines. We should be using machines....
  • 1776gwash QC 2012/12/11 05:04:27
    1776gwash
    +3
    no we should be using the leaders of the country and crony capitalists.
  • QC 1776gwash 2012/12/11 12:12:42
    QC
    That works....
  • nerak611 2012/12/11 02:50:22
    nerak611
    +1
    Why not? If that's what they want. They are just as capable.
  • kobidobidog 2012/12/11 00:45:53 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    No, All war is conceptualized in the mind of the devil. All war needs to be liquified into nothingness. Weapons do not have power unto life eternal.The military, and legal sytem is Sodom, and gomorrahean in nature. Sex is not sodomy. Do I have yo post the whole chapter of Isaiah 1 KJV for people to read? No sex in it talking about the sodomites. Militarily is engages in terrorism too. They are not giving Joy or forgiveness at all. Terrorist don't give that either. The military is contradictory to the character of Jesus who saved his soul so we would be saved. People that war are foolish.
  • Leo kobidob... 2012/12/14 13:52:53 (edited)
    Leo
    +2
    Are you high?
  • kobidob... Leo 2012/12/15 05:04:59
    kobidobidog
    High on love. War is sodomistic, and legalistic too. Sodomite talking in the third person wanting to condemn whoever was in Lots house, and Lot himself being a judge, KJV, Genesis 19, 9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. KJV Mark 14:1-9 KJV the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. John 12;10 the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; War puts people to death. See the connection? Genesis 19. 9 Sodomite wanting to judge, and condemn lot doing worse to him that the angels. Jesus in us gives life not killing anyone. Men or women in battle is evil. If you can't see that you are as blind as a bat without sonar.
  • Leo kobidob... 2012/12/17 07:29:41
  • kobidob... Leo 2012/12/15 05:10:06
    kobidobidog
    High on love. War is sodomistic, and legalistic too. Sodomite talking in the third person wanting to condemn whoever was in Lots house, and Lot himself being a judge, KJV, Genesis 19, 9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. KJV Mark 14:1-9 KJV the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. John 12;10 the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; War puts people to death. See the connection? Genesis 19. 9 Sodomite wanting to judge, and condemn lot doing worse to him that the angels. Jesus in us gives life not killing anyone. Men or women in battle is evil. If you can't see that you are as blind as a bat without sonar. Devils like the power of weapons. Hate, kill your soul. Shoot a gun kill your soul as if that weapon backfired every time.
  • beanpole kobidob... 2013/02/06 02:46:38
    beanpole
    +1
    Beautifull Dobi.
  • B_M_Anderson 2012/12/10 22:10:44 (edited)
    B_M_Anderson
    I say ..Yes , ... Publication by The Office on Women in the NATO Forces International Military Staff NATO Headquarters, Brussels, Belgium , http://webcache.googleusercon...
  • B_M_And... B_M_And... 2012/12/10 22:11:26 (edited)
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