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PUBLIC OPINION > The Aurora Shooter Should Get the Death Penalty

SodaHead News 2012/07/31 21:00:00
The nation is still struggling to process the tragic events of July 20, when 12 people were shot dead in a Colorado theater during a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises." The suspected gunman, James Eagan Holmes, was charged with 24 counts of first-degree murder. That's two for each victim: one standard charge, and one with "extreme indifference to the value of human life generally." We asked the public if the shooter should get the death penalty.

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Looking back at Colorado's recent history with capital punishment, we find that only one person has been executed since 1977 -- Gary Lee Davis, for the rape and murder of one woman. There are also three people on death row in Colorado -- Nathan Dunlap, who murdered four people; Mario Owns, who murdered two people; and Robert Ray, who ordered the murder of two people. Given the company, it doesn't sound like it will be that difficult to get the shooter on death row. The public will be happy to hear it.

Proximity Poll

Before we get into the demographics proper, we wanted to compare the results of this poll to one we took in April. At that time, we asked if the death penalty was necessary. About 62% of the public felt it was. However, this time, relating the issue to a horrendous case that's still fresh in our minds, overall support for the death penalty was 14% higher.

Liberals Let Go

Age and politics seemed to have the most significant correlation with how people responded, but the political breakdown was more interesting when compared to the April poll. While conservative opinion remained about the same, liberals almost doubled their support from 33% to 59%. However, that could have something to do with the wording -- "Is the death penalty necessary?" versus "Should he get it?"

Teens Are Torn

Teens were the only major demographic that was still undecided. Only 51% of them think the shooter should get the death penalty. There were several arguments against it -- death is too painless, we shouldn't stoop to his level, some even pitched conspiracy theories and government cover-ups. The most popular response to any of those arguments was the cost of a life sentence.

If you'd like to vote on this question, dig deeper into the demographics, or engage in existing discussion about the topic, visit our poll about the death penalty. We'd love to hear from you!
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  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/07/31 23:32:37
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +12
    Don't like the death penalty. Why not let them give back to society? Hard labour, mining, medical testing, there are lots of things we could put scum to work on. Why not use them instead of defenceless animals in early-stage pharmaceutical testing?

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  • Null_Shock Truth M... 2012/08/01 01:33:39
    Null_Shock
    +1
    My point is atheism isn't a variable. Maybe it is in your twisted logic, but outside of that it isn't. I do not resent you for doing that either I just dislike it. I would also dislike someone showing religion into it. Bottom line atheist or religious this guy should not be walking around in society.
  • Truth M... Null_Shock 2012/08/01 01:38:50 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    That's cute. Meaningless, but cute.

    Who cares. If your Atheism is correct there is no right or wrong - for you to even be offended. What moral reality exists to be violated under Atheism?

    Sorry dude, you haven't found a damned thing wrong with my logic. You just don't like having your Atheism exposed in pure logical reason.
  • Null_Shock Truth M... 2012/08/01 01:48:08
    Null_Shock
    +1
    You've done nothing to challenge atheism. All you have done is spout nonsense. I have yet to see logic or reason in anything you've said.
  • Truth M... Null_Shock 2012/08/01 11:15:23
    Truth Matters
    Really? Then tell me exactly what is nonsensical? You can't

    Explain how chemicals determination is free-will?
    Explain why Atheists assign morality to 100% chemically determined behavior?
    Explain what part of your thoughts and behavior is not 100% causally determined by chemicals?
    Explain you objective basis for why any chemical behavior is morally wrong under Atheism?


    Don't be dishonest Atheist. You have answered absolutely nothing and avoided everything. You can't answer honestly - and you know it.
  • Danny Truth M... 2012/07/31 23:56:29
    Danny
    +1
    I'm sorry but could you repeat the question in a less Religionismic way?
  • Truth M... Danny 2012/08/01 00:12:37
    Truth Matters
    What don't you understand?
  • Danny Truth M... 2012/08/01 00:28:24
    Danny
    +1
    Why you hate atheists...
  • Truth M... Danny 2012/08/01 00:39:32
    Truth Matters
    I hate Atheism, not Atheists. Atheism is like cancer - it's good not to like it.
  • Danny Truth M... 2012/08/01 00:50:32
    Danny
    +1
    You do realise that Atheism is just "the rejection of belief in the existence of Deities" right?
  • Truth M... Danny 2012/08/01 01:02:34 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    No, I realize many of you Atheists peddle this intellectually lazy and phony definition hoping to shirk any burden to justify your BELIEF POSITION that no God exists.

    Atheism is properly a belief position - not a 'rejection of a belief'. Humans hold belief positions.
  • Danny Truth M... 2012/08/01 01:37:36
    Danny
    +1
    Ah but then may I ask if there is a god, why aren't all planets covered with life, also why is god a he?: god is a "he" because males were dominant at the time of the conception of god.
  • Truth M... Danny 2012/08/01 01:44:04
    Truth Matters
    Why would God necessarily (or even probably) want life on every planet?
    Upon what basis do you make this assumption?

    God is not physical. God has no gender.
  • Danny Truth M... 2012/08/01 02:04:33
    Danny
    +1
    "God created mankind in his image" If god has no gender then what of this quote from the bible?
  • Truth M... Danny 2012/08/01 11:17:46
    Truth Matters
    It's a reference to our likeness in spiritual aspects. Obviously God is not a man in the sky. God created physical reality. God cannot depend on the physical dimension for his existence - as does man.
  • Null_Shock Truth M... 2012/08/01 01:50:36
    Null_Shock
    +1
    You really are clueless.
  • Truth M... Null_Shock 2012/08/01 11:18:42
    Truth Matters
    You are dishonest - and cannot demonstrate any problems with my answers.
  • Danny Truth M... 2012/08/01 02:07:20
    Danny
    +1
    See you have no "evidence" that God exists, you only have Opinions and theories.
  • Truth M... Danny 2012/08/01 11:19:02
    Truth Matters
    Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.
    Contingency – Why something exists rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is logically necessary. Self –creation is logically impossible. Our Universe began to exist. Our Universe is not self-existent. Our Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – God has no beginning (self-existent).
    Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a causal agency. Cause of Physical Universe cannot itself be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.
    Design: Specified, ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance’ events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements. No sufficient Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations. Intelligent purpose is far more plausible explanation. Origin of radically sophisticated DNA information (software) driving molecula...









    Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.
    Contingency – Why something exists rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is logically necessary. Self –creation is logically impossible. Our Universe began to exist. Our Universe is not self-existent. Our Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – God has no beginning (self-existent).
    Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a causal agency. Cause of Physical Universe cannot itself be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.
    Design: Specified, ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance’ events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements. No sufficient Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations. Intelligent purpose is far more plausible explanation. Origin of radically sophisticated DNA information (software) driving molecular highly sophisticated molecular machines within each cell. Also, the design inference from irreducible complexity cannot and certainly has not been adequately explained.
    Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor’s edge. This is virtual mathematical proof of intent – a function of mind – is necessary to explain these precision orderings.
    Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God’s attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities must also be actual if possible, God must be actual.
    Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?
    Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?
    Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties.
    Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (Atheism) – or an act of will.
    Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,.
    Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE’s, supernatural phenomena
    Christ’s resurrection witnessed by hundreds.
    Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will…
    (more)
  • darwolf Truth M... 2012/08/01 03:55:14
    darwolf
    +1
    My father was an atheist and he no problem with the death penalty.
  • Truth M... darwolf 2012/08/01 11:21:01
    Truth Matters
    So what? Most Atheists live inconsistently with Atheism. Atheists have no objective basis to ground the moral reality they all know exists. They simply ignore the contradiction.
  • chamcha... Truth M... 2012/08/01 04:05:56
  • Truth M... chamcha... 2012/08/01 11:22:07
    Truth Matters
    Neat - another cartoon from another mindless Atheist. Still no argument or answers to mine.
    None of you Atheists can answer anything.
  • chamcha... Truth M... 2012/08/01 12:01:10
    chamchamgal
    You must not read your own Bible. It's teaches not to kill yet countless times this religion has killed in the name of god. You know Hitler was a Christian too?
    So don't get all cocky with being a Christian, and tell everyone how atheists have not moral standers. We don't need a little black book telling us whats wrong or right.
  • Truth M... chamcha... 2012/08/01 13:15:52
    Truth Matters
    All this lashing out to distract from my questions is doing you no good. As predicted, none of you can answer my questions.

    (fact) You have failed to provide a single example where Christ taught murdering.

    Where is your evidence Hitler was a Christian?
    (fact) Hitler was deeply into an occultic Teutonic aryan paganism. Hitler killed clergy, confiscated church property and exterminated 7 million of God's covenant people (Jews). Jesus was a Jew. Hitler despised Christianity and had plans to eliminate it as soon as his third reich was established.

    I never claimed Atheists have no moral standards. In fact I claimed Atheists live inconsistently with Atheism. Now why don't one of you Atheists actually engage what I argued - rather than deflect and dishonestly spin around it?
  • Inquisi... Truth M... 2012/08/01 05:39:42
    Inquisitve Kat
    Keep in mind the killer was a devout Christian...
  • Truth M... Inquisi... 2012/08/01 11:27:30
    Truth Matters
    (a) where is your evidence?
    (b) my evidence is that the man was clearly not following the most basic teachings of Christ.
    (c) The man was thoroughly steeped in materialistic determinism by education.

    None of you can answer my questions.
  • Inquisi... Truth M... 2012/08/01 17:19:59
    Inquisitve Kat
    +1
    His church spoke for him, he regularly attended with his family, when he was home.

    My evidence is a little more solid than yours.

    Hell, it sure wouldn't be the first time some crazy Christian went off and killed a bunch of people.
  • Truth M... Inquisi... 2012/08/01 21:56:15
    Truth Matters
    You are simply wrong. Hitler was no Christian. You have no evidence.

    You simply want to deflect away from the monstrous horrors inflicted by Atheists Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Ceaucescu, Kim Jung, Mussolini... You simply want to deny reality and distract away from the horrific facts.
  • Inquisi... Truth M... 2012/08/02 03:30:05
    Inquisitve Kat
    You are so wilful in your ignorance, I'll leave you to it.
  • Truth M... Inquisi... 2012/08/02 11:18:43
    Truth Matters
    You are so brazenly dishonest. I've demonstrated it.
    You failed to answer my questions - as predicted.
    You tried to deflect away - and lost.
    You try to claim Hitler was a devout Christian. You failed to establish any such thing. I gave massive evidence Hitler was obviously not.

    I'll leave you exposed in your Atheist lies.
  • Inquisi... Truth M... 2012/08/02 13:05:56
    Inquisitve Kat
    You're full of crap and you always try to change the topic.

    Goodbye.
  • Truth M... Inquisi... 2012/08/02 15:56:44
    Truth Matters
    You're lying - and projecting your own behavior. You utterly failed to engage my direct questions while offering nothing but deflections and spin to avoid accountability.

    Beat it Atheist. Dishonesty sucks.
  • hilda 2012/07/31 22:35:02
    hilda
    +1
    don't kill him. put him in prison for the rest of his life, surrounded by 10 bubbas. and getting ass raped everyday. make him suffer and wish he was dead.
  • Null_Shock hilda 2012/07/31 23:10:05
    Null_Shock
    I' d rather not have tax money pay for that...but it isn't a bad idea.
  • Whatever 2012/07/31 22:30:35
    Whatever
    Yes. In fact, if he pleads insanity, why not simply pull the trigger or put on noose on him right then and there? Seriously, if he's insane, that means he doesn't know right from wrong, doesn't understand consequences, etc. So therefore, when his lawyers say he's insane, the judge should pull out a gun or a noose and ask him, "so you don't understand what this will do if I point it at you, like this (with the laser dot on his forehead) and pull the trigger? That will point him on the spot!
  • lee 2012/07/31 22:30:30
    lee
    +1
    we ARE a bloodthirsty lot, aren't we?

    oh, wait, this is SH... of course ppl HERE think that...

    ignorance abounds here.
  • Null_Shock lee 2012/07/31 23:28:35
    Null_Shock
    The guy can't be allowed in society, it cost money to keep him in prison, it cost less money to kill him, but then that raises other issues about capital punishment. This isn't all that simple. People want to sound politically correct and speak out against it and others want to sound righteous by condemning him to death. He is a delusional psychopath who killed 12 people . Is the death penalty justice or a outdated savage punishment? Is letting him rot in prison justice, or a waste of tax money as he won't likely ever feel guilt fir what he has done. I won't lie and day I know the answer. I know one thing though, he can't be allowed to walk free. I also have no problem with capital punishment if it fits the crime....I personally think 12 murders is a pretty good reason to sentence the murderer to the same fate as his victims. Does that make me bloodthirsty or ignorant....*shrugs*
  • lee Null_Shock 2012/07/31 23:59:55
    lee
    +3
    actually, it does cost more money to have the death penalty that it does to have life w/o parole.... studies have shown that. maybe not in this case with a young shooter and a pretty open/shut case, but still.... as a rule.

    so you are ignorant of that fact.

    but as for bloodthirsty... killing someone in will not bring back the dead or do anything to make the victims or their families heal from this... only time will do that.

    at least we can agree he should never be allowed back into society... ever.
  • Null_Shock lee 2012/08/01 01:41:57
    Null_Shock
    I don't believe that it would bring back the victims...but I do see your point and I am ignorant in that area as I have read no studies , I just figured food and medical care would cost less than capital punishment . I just wonder why he gets to live while his victims did not, and how I would feel if it happened to someone I love.
  • lee Null_Shock 2012/08/01 16:41:02
    lee
    understood... and we all feel for the families.

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