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Public Opinion Says Loaded Guns in Cars Are OK [INFOGRAPHIC]

SodaHead Infographics 2011/08/26 23:00:00
Earlier this week we asked SodaHeads what they thought about keeping a loaded gun in the car, and the results are in.

SodaHeads overwhelmingly decided that keeping a loaded gun in the car should be your legal right, and that majority spanned across a huge range of demographics. However, there were still a few statistics that stood out to us.

For instance, ever wonder what exactly the difference between a "liberal" and "progressive" is? Looking at their responses to this question, liberals are far more likely to concede gun control than progressives. In fact, liberals were markedly in support of allowing loaded guns in cars.

The original question was tied to a recent incident involving a clumsy gun-owner on a Tennessee highway who accidentally shot himself, but that didn't deter votes in the least.

Wanna find out more? Hold your breath, and get ready for another Deep Dive infographic -- powered by SodaHead.

(For clarity's sake, we counted "only in the trunk" responses as a yes.)

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  • Jackie Debs 2011/08/26 23:17:17 (edited)
    Jackie Debs
    +24
    Loaded guns are fine in most places as long as responsible adults are the ones carrying them, LAWFULLY, as demonstrated by the various background checks and permits that we already have in place. This isn't even up for debate. The constitution is clear.



    You can have a gun on a goat

    You can have a gun in a boat

    You can have a gun in your house

    You can have a gun near a mouse

    You can have a gun inside your den

    You can have a gun to anger a dem

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  • Grammar... Servant... 2011/08/29 19:50:05
    Grammar Freak
    +2
    Here! Here!
    I totally agree! No one in DC speaks for me on either side of the aisle & I sure as hell ain't no Teabagger. There's no balance in either direction, as far as the eye can see. The politicians running the show today seem to be so deeply embedded in the pockets of huge corporations that they can't even see their constituents.
    I think the best one out there at the moment is Gary Johnson. I'd vote for him or Ron Paul before any other candidate running. Obama lost my respect the moment he announced his cabinet members (leaving half Bush's in place). Our nation's twisting itself into knotts & there doesn't seem to be anyone with a level head in the game. We all need to remember that we're ALL Americans... each & every one of us, whether we agree with one another or not... & the majority of us are getting screwed at the moment.
  • Servant... Grammar... 2011/08/30 02:24:37
    ServantOfAllah
    +1
    Me too. I really wish Republicans would make Gary their candidate for 2012. What have they got to lose?
  • Bill Servant... 2011/08/30 13:43:14
    Bill
    But, only an ignorant brain dead fool would vote to reelect B Hussein Obama/Barry Soetoro.
  • Servant... Bill 2011/09/06 15:22:36
    ServantOfAllah
    So I guess you are voting for Obama. lol
  • dave ki Servant... 2011/09/06 17:18:25
    dave ki
    Most of us are American,but the jury is still out on Mr.Obamageggon,try Ron Paul what can we loose.I agree with with Bill.
  • boomers... Servant... 2011/08/31 02:48:04
  • william 2011/08/29 12:19:16
    william
    +3
    .Really late for this question , most people are locked and loaded , and the ones that are not make the headlines daily as victims . Guns are here to stay with or without the consent of socialist pacifists .

    loaded headlines daily victims guns stay consent socialist pacifists no gun control
  • Dave**Gay for Girls** 2011/08/29 11:47:05 (edited)
    Dave**Gay for Girls**
    +3
    I think you missed the point SodaHead, a law banning them would be unenforceble and I think most intelligent people recognized that, I can't see it having anything at all to do with progressives, liberals, conservatives, body builders or Buddhists. An idiot with a gun is dangerous in any venue.
  • Carlo Dave**G... 2011/09/11 10:06:50
    Carlo
    Yeah but the same idiots need to try and get their political agenda heard too.
  • ruisoares65 2011/08/29 07:31:18
    ruisoares65
    +3
    No...

    What do you think about this?

  • ruisoar... ruisoar... 2011/08/29 07:32:10
    ruisoares65
    +1
    Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000, age adjusted) for Selected Countries in one year between 1990 and 1995 (Krug, Powell and Dahlberg, 1998)
  • earl ruisoar... 2011/08/29 15:49:28
    earl
    +2
    I agree, we have a gang problem in the U.S.
    Now, tell me how many of these deaths were law abiding legal gun carrying citizens.
    Compared to some of the countries you listed were the deaths are a result of the victims not being able to defend themselves, or another way to look at it is how many were killed by their own Governments?
  • Quietma... ruisoar... 2011/08/29 18:09:42
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    How about something current?:
    Gun violence > Homicides > Firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
    VIEW DATA: Totals
    Definition Source Printable version

    Bar Graph Map


    Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 South Africa: 74.5748
    Crime in South Africa

    # 2 Colombia: 51.7683
    Crime in Colombia

    # 3 Thailand: 33.0016
    Crime in Thailand

    # 4 Guatemala: 18.5
    Crime in Guatemala

    # 5 Paraguay: 7.3508
    Crime in Paraguay

    # 6 Zimbabwe: 4.746
    Crime in Zimbabwe

    # 7 Mexico: 3.6622
    Crime in Mexico

    # 8 United States: 3.6
    Crime in United States

    # 9 Belarus: 3.31
    Crime in Belarus

    # 10 Barbados: 2.9963
    Crime in Barbados

    # 11 Uruguay: 2.5172
    Crime in Uruguay

    # 12 Lithuania: 2.2463
    Crime in Lithuania

    # 13 Slovakia: 2.1659
    Crime in Slovakia

    # 14 Côte d'Ivoire: 2.068
    Crime in Côte d'Ivoire

    # 15 Estonia: 1.534
    Crime in Estonia

    # 16 Macedonia, Republic of: 1.2802
    Crime in Macedonia, Republic of

    # 17 Latvia: 1.2648
    Crime in Latvia

    # 18 Portugal: 0.8488
    Crime in Portugal

    # 19 Bulgaria: 0.7714
    Crime in Bulgaria

    # 20 Slovenia: 0.6036

    http://www.nationmaster.com/g...
    How about something current?:
    Gun violence > Homicides > Firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
    VIEW DATA: Totals
    Definition Source Printable version

    Bar Graph Map


    Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 South Africa: 74.5748
    Crime in South Africa

    # 2 Colombia: 51.7683
    Crime in Colombia

    # 3 Thailand: 33.0016
    Crime in Thailand

    # 4 Guatemala: 18.5
    Crime in Guatemala

    # 5 Paraguay: 7.3508
    Crime in Paraguay

    # 6 Zimbabwe: 4.746
    Crime in Zimbabwe

    # 7 Mexico: 3.6622
    Crime in Mexico

    # 8 United States: 3.6
    Crime in United States

    # 9 Belarus: 3.31
    Crime in Belarus

    # 10 Barbados: 2.9963
    Crime in Barbados

    # 11 Uruguay: 2.5172
    Crime in Uruguay

    # 12 Lithuania: 2.2463
    Crime in Lithuania

    # 13 Slovakia: 2.1659
    Crime in Slovakia

    # 14 Côte d'Ivoire: 2.068
    Crime in Côte d'Ivoire

    # 15 Estonia: 1.534
    Crime in Estonia

    # 16 Macedonia, Republic of: 1.2802
    Crime in Macedonia, Republic of

    # 17 Latvia: 1.2648
    Crime in Latvia

    # 18 Portugal: 0.8488
    Crime in Portugal

    # 19 Bulgaria: 0.7714
    Crime in Bulgaria

    # 20 Slovenia: 0.6036

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  • boomers... ruisoar... 2011/08/31 03:03:04
    boomerscaboose
    Here's a totally different view and I'd say I'd rather take my chances in the USA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Another easy to find bunch of stats will be the crime rates in the USA cities where guns are prohibited versus places where concealed carry is legal. The anti-gun cities are way the hell up the chart for violent crimes.

    If we could magically, with some unicorn sparkle dust or something, make it so the USA didn't have so many "world owes me a living so I'm gonna rob you're ass" types due to all sorts of cultural social roots and causes and freaked out meth-heads running amuck then maybe I'd take my chance with a frozen herring or whatever they use in Norway to defend themselves against, whatever may threaten Norwegians.

    But since I have to live in the real world where the only way to actually stop a predatory human intent on malice toward my family is to cause a major distuption in the central nervous system (brain, spine) or massive blood loss, etc. by putting a hole in them as fast as possible. I prefer the ol' double tap done twice while moving. Can't hardly do that with a frozen herring, now can we?
  • Quietma... ruisoar... 2011/08/29 18:00:41
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    Gun-Related Deaths Decline as Gun Control Restrictions Ease

    Americans overall are far less likely to be killed with a firearm than they were when it was much more difficult to obtain a concealed-weapons permit, according to statistics collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control. But researchers have not been able to establish a cause-and-effect relationship.

    In the 1980s and ’90s, as the concealed-carry movement gained steam, Americans were killed by others with guns at the rate of about 5.66 per 100,000 population. In this decade, the rate has fallen to just over 4.07 per 100,000, a 28 percent drop. The decline follows a fivefold increase in the number of “shall-issue” and unrestricted concealed-carry states from 1986 to 2006.The highest gun homicide rate is in Washington, D.C., which has had the nation’s strictest gun-control laws for years and bans concealed carry: 20.50 deaths per 100,000 population, five times the general rate. The lowest rate, 1.12, is in Utah, which has such a liberal concealed weapons policy that most American adults can get a permit to carry a gun in Utah without even visiting the state.

    The decline in gun homicides also comes as U.S. firearm sales are skyrocketing, according to federal background checks that are required for most gun s...

    Gun-Related Deaths Decline as Gun Control Restrictions Ease

    Americans overall are far less likely to be killed with a firearm than they were when it was much more difficult to obtain a concealed-weapons permit, according to statistics collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control. But researchers have not been able to establish a cause-and-effect relationship.

    In the 1980s and ’90s, as the concealed-carry movement gained steam, Americans were killed by others with guns at the rate of about 5.66 per 100,000 population. In this decade, the rate has fallen to just over 4.07 per 100,000, a 28 percent drop. The decline follows a fivefold increase in the number of “shall-issue” and unrestricted concealed-carry states from 1986 to 2006.The highest gun homicide rate is in Washington, D.C., which has had the nation’s strictest gun-control laws for years and bans concealed carry: 20.50 deaths per 100,000 population, five times the general rate. The lowest rate, 1.12, is in Utah, which has such a liberal concealed weapons policy that most American adults can get a permit to carry a gun in Utah without even visiting the state.

    The decline in gun homicides also comes as U.S. firearm sales are skyrocketing, according to federal background checks that are required for most gun sales. After holding stable at 8.5 to 9 million checks from 1999 to 2005, the FBI reported a surge to 10 million in 2006, 11 million in 2007, nearly 13 million in 2008 and more than 14 million last year, a 55 percent increase in just four years.

    http://james4america.wordpres...
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  • Bill ruisoar... 2011/08/30 13:48:48
    Bill
    The problem is that most of the shootings in the USA are gang bangers of a certain race that are ineligible to own a gun in the first place. Now all you non thinkers can yell racist but facts are not racist.
  • MacKenzie 2011/08/29 07:11:48
    MacKenzie
    +1
    Jeez... With all that their allowing now... Imagine, their are going to be little kids shooting heroine in back alleys when their in like 3rd grade. Guns shouldn't be allowed, especially loaded in vehicles... *places head in hands and shakes it at all the people who are making these decisions*
  • Herb MacKenzie 2011/08/29 21:33:43
    Herb
    yes it should, It's called the constitution read it once in a while. read whynthe founders left guns in there and their quotes. on guns no matter where you have the banks the store or car.
    On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)

    "The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, Octobe...











































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    yes it should, It's called the constitution read it once in a while. read whynthe founders left guns in there and their quotes. on guns no matter where you have the banks the store or car.
    On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)

    "The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.)

    "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950])

    "The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])

    "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169)

    "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

    "...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

    "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

    "the ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone," (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper #46.)

    "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

    "...if raised, whether they could subdue a Nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty, and who have arms in their hands?" (Delegate Sedgwick, during the Massachusetts Convention, rhetorically asking if an oppressive standing army could prevail, Johnathan Elliot, ed., Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Vol.2 at 97 (2d ed., 1888))

    "...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.)

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46.)

    "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." (Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym `A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

    "Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)

    "The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." [William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

    "The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)

    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..)

    "The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)

    "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." (Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646)

    "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

    "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

    "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850))

    "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

    "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" (George Washington)

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. (Thomas Jefferson, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 [Foley, Ed., reissued 1967])

    "The supposed quietude of a good mans allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them..." (Thomas Paine, I Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 [1894])

    "...the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms" (from article in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette June 18, 1789 at 2, col.2,)

    "Those, who have the command of the arms in a country are masters of the state, and have it in their power to make what revolutions they please. [Thus,] there is no end to observations on the difference between the measures likely to be pursued by a minister backed by a standing army, and those of a court awed by the fear of an armed people." (Aristotle, as quoted by John Trenchard and Water Moyle, An Argument Shewing, That a Standing Army Is Inconsistent with a Free Government, and Absolutely Destructive to the Constitution of the English Monarchy [London, 1697])

    "No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion." (James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses [London, 1774-1775])

    "Men that are above all Fear, soon grow above all Shame." (John Trenchard and Thomas Gordon, Cato's Letters: Or, Essays on Liberty, Civil and Religious, and Other Important Subjects [London, 1755])

    "The difficulty here has been to persuade the citizens to keep arms, not to prevent them from being employed for violent purposes." (Dwight, Travels in New-England)

    "What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson, ed. Boyd et al.)

    (The American Colonies were) "all democratic governments, where the power is in the hands of the people and where there is not the least difficulty or jealousy about putting arms into the hands of every man in the country. (European countries should not) be ignorant of the strength and the force of such a form of government and how strenuously and almost wonderfully people living under one have sometimes exerted themselves in defence of their rights and liberties and how fatally it has ended with many a man and many a state who have entered into quarrels, wars and contests with them." [George Mason, "Remarks on Annual Elections for the Fairfax Independent Company" in The Papers of George Mason, 1725-1792, ed Robert A. Rutland (Chapel Hill, 1970)]

    "To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed...to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless...If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country." (Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and NewYork [London 1823]

    "It is not certain that with this aid alone [possession of arms], they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to posses the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will, and direct the national force; and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned, in spite of the legions which surround it." (James Madison, "Federalist No. 46")

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights." (Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; With a Preliminary Review of the Constitutional History of the Colonies and States before the Adoption of the Constitution [Boston, 1833])

    "The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military. The hired servants of our rulers. Only the government-and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." (Edward Abbey, "The Right to Arms," Abbey's Road [New York, 1979])

    "You are bound to meet misfortune if you are unarmed because, among other reasons, people despise you....There is simply no comparison between a man who is armed and one who is not. It is unreasonable to expect that an armed man should obey one who is unarmed, or that an unarmed man should remain safe and secure when his servants are armed. In the latter case, there will be suspicion on the one hand and contempt on the other, making cooperation impossible." (Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince")

    "You must understand, therefore, that there are two ways of fighting: by law or by force. The first way is natural to men, and the second to beasts. But as the first way often proves inadequate one must needs have recourse to the second." (Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince")

    "As much as I oppose the average person's having a gun, I recognize that some people have a legitimate need to own one. A wealthy corporate executive who fears his family might get kidnapped is one such person. A Hollywood celebrity who has to protect himself from kooks is another. If Sharon Tate had had access to a gun during the Manson killings, some innocent lives might have been saved." [Joseph D. McNamara (San Jose, CA Police Chief), in his book, Safe and Sane, (c) 1984, p. 71-72.]

    "To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege." [Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]

    For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing of concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. But it should not be forgotten, that it is not only a part of the right that is secured by the constitution; it is the right entire and complete, as it existed at the adoption of the constitution; and if any portion of that right be impaired, immaterial how small the part may be, and immaterial the order of time at which it be done, it is equally forbidden by the constitution." [Bliss vs. Commonwealth, 12 Ky. (2 Litt.) 90, at 92, and 93, 13 Am. Dec. 251 (1822)]

    " `The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the milita, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right." [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846)]

    "The provision in the Constitution granting the right to all persons to bear arms is a limitation upon the power of the Legislature to enact any law to the contrary. The exercise of a right guaranteed by the Constitution cannot be made subject to the will of the sheriff." [People vs. Zerillo, 219 Mich. 635, 189 N.W. 927, at 928 (1922)]

    "The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical constructions." [State vs. Kerner, 181 N.C. 574, 107 S.E. 222, at 224 (1921)]

    "The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]
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  • Carlo 2011/08/29 06:45:03
    Carlo
    Not loaded but in the trunk transporting it yes. Otherwise no especially loaded. And im a Cancer.
  • Herb Carlo 2011/08/29 21:35:10
    Herb
    where in the constituiton does it say that? or the founders in the second ammnedment
    On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)

    "The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.)

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    where in the constituiton does it say that? or the founders in the second ammnedment
    On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)

    "The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.)

    "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950])

    "The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])

    "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169)

    "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

    "...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

    "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

    "the ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone," (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper #46.)

    "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

    "...if raised, whether they could subdue a Nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty, and who have arms in their hands?" (Delegate Sedgwick, during the Massachusetts Convention, rhetorically asking if an oppressive standing army could prevail, Johnathan Elliot, ed., Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Vol.2 at 97 (2d ed., 1888))

    "...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.)

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46.)

    "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." (Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym `A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

    "Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)

    "The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." [William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

    "The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)

    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..)

    "The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)

    "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." (Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646)

    "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

    "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

    "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850))

    "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

    "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" (George Washington)

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. (Thomas Jefferson, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 [Foley, Ed., reissued 1967])

    "The supposed quietude of a good mans allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them..." (Thomas Paine, I Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 [1894])

    "...the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms" (from article in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette June 18, 1789 at 2, col.2,)

    "Those, who have the command of the arms in a country are masters of the state, and have it in their power to make what revolutions they please. [Thus,] there is no end to observations on the difference between the measures likely to be pursued by a minister backed by a standing army, and those of a court awed by the fear of an armed people." (Aristotle, as quoted by John Trenchard and Water Moyle, An Argument Shewing, That a Standing Army Is Inconsistent with a Free Government, and Absolutely Destructive to the Constitution of the English Monarchy [London, 1697])

    "No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion." (James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses [London, 1774-1775])

    "Men that are above all Fear, soon grow above all Shame." (John Trenchard and Thomas Gordon, Cato's Letters: Or, Essays on Liberty, Civil and Religious, and Other Important Subjects [London, 1755])

    "The difficulty here has been to persuade the citizens to keep arms, not to prevent them from being employed for violent purposes." (Dwight, Travels in New-England)

    "What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson, ed. Boyd et al.)

    (The American Colonies were) "all democratic governments, where the power is in the hands of the people and where there is not the least difficulty or jealousy about putting arms into the hands of every man in the country. (European countries should not) be ignorant of the strength and the force of such a form of government and how strenuously and almost wonderfully people living under one have sometimes exerted themselves in defence of their rights and liberties and how fatally it has ended with many a man and many a state who have entered into quarrels, wars and contests with them." [George Mason, "Remarks on Annual Elections for the Fairfax Independent Company" in The Papers of George Mason, 1725-1792, ed Robert A. Rutland (Chapel Hill, 1970)]

    "To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed...to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless...If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country." (Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and NewYork [London 1823]

    "It is not certain that with this aid alone [possession of arms], they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to posses the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will, and direct the national force; and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned, in spite of the legions which surround it." (James Madison, "Federalist No. 46")

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights." (Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; With a Preliminary Review of the Constitutional History of the Colonies and States before the Adoption of the Constitution [Boston, 1833])

    "The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military. The hired servants of our rulers. Only the government-and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." (Edward Abbey, "The Right to Arms," Abbey's Road [New York, 1979])

    "You are bound to meet misfortune if you are unarmed because, among other reasons, people despise you....There is simply no comparison between a man who is armed and one who is not. It is unreasonable to expect that an armed man should obey one who is unarmed, or that an unarmed man should remain safe and secure when his servants are armed. In the latter case, there will be suspicion on the one hand and contempt on the other, making cooperation impossible." (Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince")

    "You must understand, therefore, that there are two ways of fighting: by law or by force. The first way is natural to men, and the second to beasts. But as the first way often proves inadequate one must needs have recourse to the second." (Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince")

    "As much as I oppose the average person's having a gun, I recognize that some people have a legitimate need to own one. A wealthy corporate executive who fears his family might get kidnapped is one such person. A Hollywood celebrity who has to protect himself from kooks is another. If Sharon Tate had had access to a gun during the Manson killings, some innocent lives might have been saved." [Joseph D. McNamara (San Jose, CA Police Chief), in his book, Safe and Sane, (c) 1984, p. 71-72.]

    "To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege." [Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]

    For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing of concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. But it should not be forgotten, that it is not only a part of the right that is secured by the constitution; it is the right entire and complete, as it existed at the adoption of the constitution; and if any portion of that right be impaired, immaterial how small the part may be, and immaterial the order of time at which it be done, it is equally forbidden by the constitution." [Bliss vs. Commonwealth, 12 Ky. (2 Litt.) 90, at 92, and 93, 13 Am. Dec. 251 (1822)]

    " `The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the milita, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right." [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846)]

    "The provision in the Constitution granting the right to all persons to bear arms is a limitation upon the power of the Legislature to enact any law to the contrary. The exercise of a right guaranteed by the Constitution cannot be made subject to the will of the sheriff." [People vs. Zerillo, 219 Mich. 635, 189 N.W. 927, at 928 (1922)]

    "The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical constructions." [State vs. Kerner, 181 N.C. 574, 107 S.E. 222, at 224 (1921)]

    "The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]
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  • Carlo Herb 2011/08/29 21:43:51
    Carlo
    Well for one I never said that is what was said in the Amendment. I meant it in general terms, but since you quoted it so well, give it to me in a nutshell or a sentence if you can. An overall definition
  • Herb Carlo 2011/08/29 22:09:26
    Herb
    +1
    ok nextime i will
  • Carlo Herb 2011/09/11 10:01:14
    Carlo
    Okay im holding my breath lol
  • Richard... Carlo 2011/08/31 14:51:23
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    What does your cancer have to do with anything? unloaded and in the trunk wont do you a lot of good in a car jacking. That just means the bastard gets away with your car and your gun. and thats the best case scenario.
  • Carlo Richard... 2011/09/11 09:59:50 (edited)
    Carlo
    Well since were talking about allowing the general population in this question. The transport of the gun in a vehicle is what I meant not allowing for the use of it at any given impulse. Car jacking's dont happen enough to warrant you getting shot trying to go for your gun. Besides who is to say that your gun wont be stolen while your car is parked and your away from it?
    Were not talking about carrying it with you now in this question either.

    And the cancer thing was to the statistic on my zodiac sign agreeing with the acceptance in this question as well. Kinda stupid I know but it was their statistic.
  • Richard... Carlo 2011/09/11 20:36:34
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    First, let me say that "Car jacking's dont happen enough to warrant you getting shot trying to go for your gun." Is completely subject to opinion. And if you are going to carry a loaded gun in the car it's kind of an assumption that you are going to take it with you when you get out. leaving it in the car would be irresponsible and rather useless.
    As for zodiacs, they are irrelevant to anything so I havent a clue about them nor any intrest to find out, I dont even know what mine is.
  • Carlo Richard... 2011/09/24 22:37:29 (edited)
    Carlo
    Well zodiacs have nothing to do with my answer except their mention of mine to people who favor allowing it in this question.

    Well if your going to take the gun into lets say a club to not leaving it in your vehicle then I see a complete danger in that. The question was to allowing it in vehicles, not to being concealed on your person when you get out. Being unconcealed is just a ridiculous thought
  • Richard... Carlo 2011/09/25 08:12:22
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    Well obviously some common sense is going to be required, of course you dont take your gun with you if your going out drinking in the club. Although I will say that the car keys are going to be statisticly more dangerous than the gun after drinking in the club. So in reality you shouldn't really even have your car with you to leave the gun in. If you did drive you shouldnt be drinking so having the gun on you shouldnt be a problem.

    All I can really say beyond that is that if you feel that way, then maybe it is a reflection of your own lifestyle, maybe you are not responsible enough to make proper decisions when carring a gun. In which case you should not carry one. Otherwise follow the law and be responsible with it and you'll be just fine.
  • Carlo Richard... 2011/10/10 13:24:26
    Carlo
    Your point makes no sense if a gun is carried for any reason in a vehicle then it would be expected to stay in that vehicle for the purposes of this question. Another question you may be right. As far a being responsible its not me im worried about either.
  • Richard... Carlo 2011/10/10 18:53:15
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    Granted the question does not say anything about taking the gun out of the vehicle but it also does not imply in any way that it would be left in the vehicle. The original question was refering to a situation where the driver was still in the car, so leaving it in the vehicle really does not matter in this question. I believe that is because they intended the reader to use common sense and figure that much out on their own. But once again common sense can fix the problem. Say you do for some reason take your gun with you to a club, simply unload it and and hide it in the trunk or in a lockable case. Most guns today also come with trigger locks. Most modern guns are also easily disabled by removing the firing pin or another critical part that can easily be hidden in a seperate location or kept in a pocket or purse. for example I can remove the barrel of my glock in a matter of seconds and it can easily be hidden in any number of locations in my vehicle or kept in a pocket without a problem. As long as the proper precautions are taken and a little bit of common sense is used, a loaded gun can be carried in a vehicle very safely. If a person is not responsible enough to take these precautions and use common sense the no amount of legal restrictions are going to fix that problem.
  • Carlo Richard... 2011/10/12 19:19:25 (edited)
    Carlo
    Well then if it would be assumed the gun would go with the driver then the question would be more to carrying a concealed weapon. Now you and I may be responsible enough to do so but would all of society? And if left in the trunk unloaded wouldn't that leave it vulnerable to theft? You know a free gun with every stolen car you can get.
  • Richard... Carlo 2011/10/12 19:40:07
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    As I said before, the question was refering to a case where the driver was in the car the entire time. Whether it was to be left in the car or taken with the driver is irrelevent to the circumstance. And I also suggested disabling the gun before leaving it. The best approach would obviously be, dont put yourself in a situation where you have to leave your gun in your car. But if you do, lock it up. There is no full proof way to make anything 100% safe, all you can do is give it your best effort. There will always be that what if situation. You just have to weigh the pros and cons on a personal level and decide which is best for you.

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
  • Carlo Richard... 2011/10/12 19:43:30 (edited)
    Carlo
    Yeah there is one way. Dont pass any laws allowing it to be anywhere but at home. Its already legal to transport it in the trunk unloaded.
    The ability to protect your home and family is good enough. Anything else would be irresponsible. There are too many factor that can allow for unintentional discharges and loss of innocent life. Subsequently having those weapons falling into the hands of the very people we dont want to have them.
  • Richard... Carlo 2011/10/12 19:59:47 (edited)
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    As soon as wild animals quit attacking and criminals start leaving their guns at home I'll be right there with you. Mean while wake up your living in a dream world. I'll protect my family when they are not at home too. unintentional discharge can be eliminated by responsible handling
  • Carlo Richard... 2011/10/12 22:18:21 (edited)
    Carlo
    Sure that is your prerogative. But the laws of the land dont reflect that behavior with guns. And yeah I may live in a much safer environment than most places too. Although not completely. I'm subject to some nut with a gun too. Mine just doesn't warrant the caution necessary to defend what may be a surprise or random act anyway.
  • Richard... Carlo 2011/10/13 06:31:42
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    Thats where your wrong. the laws of the land DO allow this behavior with guns.
  • Carlo Richard... 2011/10/26 07:03:30 (edited)
    Carlo
    Bullshiit only by special permit if concealed. That would be moving about in public in any way with a firearm hidden from any view so as to give the impression you dont have one on your person. And I would love to see you or anyone moving about in public without it concealed in a holster. Face it saying something doesn't make it so. Your theory has been refuted.
  • coolrayfruge 2011/08/29 04:47:33
    coolrayfruge
    +3
    As crazy as this world is getting you'd be crazy not to carry a gun.
    I'd like to get one of these as a motor home. crazy world crazy carry gun motor home Military Armored vehicals
  • BAMACRU... coolray... 2011/08/29 08:11:43
    BAMACRUSADER
    I'd like to have one to clear out idiot drivers on the road. Make it have buttons on the steering wheel that would fire that .50 cal with holographic cross hairs that I could aim it with that were displayed on my windshield.
  • coolray... BAMACRU... 2011/08/29 17:32:25
    coolrayfruge
    I wonder if that gun would be good for hunting Elk. (Laughing)

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