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PUBLIC OPINION > Saudi Arabia's Women-Only City Is Mostly Regressive, a Little Revolutionary

SodaHead News 2012/08/14 20:00:00
Saudi Arabia is planning to build a unique town where only women are allowed to reside and work. The reason they're developing the city is to provide a way for women to succeed in their careers without compromising Islamic law. We wanted to know if the public thinks it's a revolutionary idea, or a regressive move.

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The result was close, but most people are skeptical of the idea. The Top Opinion read, "Pretend this was only for men. Is it really revolutionary? ... This makes women unequal to men. It only makes the gap between each greater." However, others argued that it only sounds strange to Western ears. It certainly wouldn't make sense in America, but in Saudi Arabia religious law complicates the issue.

Men Aren't Far Behind

What we found most interesting about the gender demographic was how close the results were. Sure, women were more enthusiastic about it, but only a little. It was still supported by 40% of male voters, and rejected by 45% of female voters. It appears gender doesn't have a whole lot of impact on reactions to the idea.

Teens Approve of the Town

Young people were actually much more supportive of the town, but only the youngest voters. Nearly two-thirds of voters under the age of 18 thought it was revolutionary, perhaps illustrating a youthful desire for revolution. It's also worth noting that liberals were more likely to support the idea by almost the same amount, and age is often tied to politics.

Workers Are Wary

Since the town is being built to help women build careers, we decided to take a look at how people of different employment status responded. Interestingly enough, the most supportive group was not students, but retirees. And there were quite a few responses from retirees. What's interesting about this is that it's inversely related to the age breakdown, which suggests older people don't like it.

If you'd like to vote on this question, dig deeper into the demographics, or engage in existing discussion about the topic, visit our poll about Saudi Arabia's planned women-only town. We'd love to hear from you!
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  • obmon 2012/11/21 12:52:40
    obmon
    +10
    You are all nuts! and ignorant! and also hilariously trivial!

    First of all.. the Koran actually reads much like the Bible.. all rehteroc and fear mongering in an attempt to force submission to God. I think the only really specific part of the Koran is the small section which goes into great detail about inheritance.. the rest of it reads like this:

    Man sins. God is angry. God gives man one last chance. Man fails last chance. God destroys men. God says "you deserved it".

    Any of you actually read history of religions without it being led by religious thought? You'll see it's all just politics! Let me explain, in summary:

    1. Though there were slaves in ancient Egypt, the majority were salaried workers! "Hebrew" was the ancient Egyptian word for immigrant!
    2. All immigrants to Egypt came for the promise of work, many got rich, one family of Hebrews even rose to the power of Pharaoh!
    3. All those immigrants brought their belief systems with them.. which eventually got amalgamated into the Hebrew religion.
    4. The drive across the Sinai and into Canaan, was actually a land grab by the Pharaoh Thutmose! How do you like them apples?
    5. Hebrews didn't become Judaism until the emergence of Jesus. Jesus wanted to reverse and correct the failings of the Hebrew religion which, as we all...




    You are all nuts! and ignorant! and also hilariously trivial!

    First of all.. the Koran actually reads much like the Bible.. all rehteroc and fear mongering in an attempt to force submission to God. I think the only really specific part of the Koran is the small section which goes into great detail about inheritance.. the rest of it reads like this:

    Man sins. God is angry. God gives man one last chance. Man fails last chance. God destroys men. God says "you deserved it".

    Any of you actually read history of religions without it being led by religious thought? You'll see it's all just politics! Let me explain, in summary:

    1. Though there were slaves in ancient Egypt, the majority were salaried workers! "Hebrew" was the ancient Egyptian word for immigrant!
    2. All immigrants to Egypt came for the promise of work, many got rich, one family of Hebrews even rose to the power of Pharaoh!
    3. All those immigrants brought their belief systems with them.. which eventually got amalgamated into the Hebrew religion.
    4. The drive across the Sinai and into Canaan, was actually a land grab by the Pharaoh Thutmose! How do you like them apples?
    5. Hebrews didn't become Judaism until the emergence of Jesus. Jesus wanted to reverse and correct the failings of the Hebrew religion which, as we all know, became Christianity. In creating Christianity, he in inadvertently solidified the Hebrew religion into Judaism.
    6. The Muslims believe that Islam is the CONTINUATION and completion of the previous monotheistic religion. Think of it this way, Judaism provided the infrastructure, Christianity the love, and Islam the Law.
    7. Calling the Prophet of Islam a pedophile is just plain stupid. Back then, puberty was the age of consent, not the arbitrary number "18". Also, they were political marriages, not marriages of lust. Also, if you knew anything about the prophet, you would know the only woman he truly loved was his first wife; who was 10 years older, a business woman, and that he was faithful to her completely (practically unheard of for those times).
    8. The prophet Mohamed was a feminist. Men and Women prayed side by side and treated with equal value. The only reference to the "veil" (which at the time was an item denoting luxury status in women) is when the Prophet asked the hordes of men coming to his home in Medina (the first mosque) to speak to his wives from behind a veil, so that they can all remain respectful to each other. Pretty frigging understandable!
    9. Most of the DOGMA that is the modern religion was created by man AFTER the fact. There are literally HUNDREDS of varying translations of the Bible. Christianity even held a meeting in the Council of Nicaea to put together the final version of the Bible, whereby the cut out, put in, and re-interpreted the source material as they saw fit. Muslims did basically the same thing, only they used what's called "Hadiths". These are saying of the prophet as heard by someone's uncle's sister's son's cousin's friend.. Chinese whispers anyone?
    10. The bad parts of Islam comes from the radical sects, of which there is ONE that is the worst of all.. the Wahhabi of Saudi. A terrible bunch. The rest of Muslims don't pay attention to any of that and simply try to live decent lives.
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  • All Ame... Muver 2012/08/15 17:58:23 (edited)
    All American
    +2
    I don't know why liberals, especially women on the left, defend them.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/15 21:35:29
    Grammar Freak
    +1
    What do you know about Islam... I mean REALLY know, not just what you believe?
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/15 21:44:45
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/15 22:33:21 (edited)
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/15 23:33:21
    All American
    +1
    I'm not religious, I don't believe in the supernatural. I don't care what religion it is.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/15 23:42:53
    Grammar Freak
    Me neither.
    But I sure as hell do not blame people who search for answers & guidance.

    I must also say that those who say they believe in something & then follow through with their beliefs have a hell of a lot more integrity than people who say they believe in something & then do the opposite of just about every tenant that belief holds.

    Islam is not evil.
    Many of the men who claim to be Muslims are.
    Just like many Jews, many Christians, etc.
    There is no difference.
    But hating Islam is certainly as silly as hating Christianity.
    It makes no sense.
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/16 04:07:07
    All American
    +1
    Religion is nothing more that a way to control and manipulate the masses.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/16 10:00:12
    Grammar Freak
    Absolutely correct.
    No arguement.

    I simply do not hate those who feel they need to follow something/one. They're insecure. They seek answers & guidance. They don't like the idea of being responsible for themselves or the consequences of the actions they take or support. I get that. Most people are weak when it comes down to it. ...right up until you try to take away their security blanket, at which point they become fierce fighters.

    Fear is a hell of a motivator. Keeping people afraid works every single time... just look around at where we are now.
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/16 12:03:05
    All American
    +1
    Who said hate? I just think they're nuts, that's all. Just look at the middle east where Islam is the state religion and sharia law enforces it. Good thing we have separation of church and state.
  • Israel All Ame... 2012/08/17 19:25:11
    Israel
    So far, but then sharia law has been applied in several states, and Dearborne michegan is virtually controlled by islam.
  • All Ame... Israel 2012/08/17 19:52:43
    All American
    +1
    And the left claims we're overreacting or islamaphobic. Just look at the problems over in Europe. These people don't want to mix or assimilate.
  • Israel All Ame... 2012/08/17 21:22:53
    Israel
    +1
    I know such dumbos. We know that. I have crap in my town. My dogs are not fussy, they tend to like people, but when four muslims gave us pure naked hatred clearly seen on their faces and manner, they began barking, snarling, showing teeth and growling at them. I have never seen my two gentle greyhounds do that.
  • All Ame... Israel 2012/08/18 12:56:38
    All American
    Why they choose to enslave themselves with this belief system is beyond me.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/18 10:40:56
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/18 13:00:05
    All American
    Muslims separate themselves by religion, it's them and everyone else. They're not Middle Eastern, Arab, Irani, Iraqi, they're Muslim. It strips them of their individual identity. If you want to see how it will go here, just look over in Europe. That's the future with this political system.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/18 13:43:54
    Grammar Freak
    I live in Germany, Dude... & I appreciate my Muslim neighbors a hell of a lot more than I do the Germans. The Muslims in my building are friendly & polite. They bring me food when I work late or am sick. I help their kids with their English homework.

    The Germans are usually unfriendly & impolite. They whine & bitch & moan all the time while the Muslims I know are absolutely the opposite.



    You have a preconceived notion of what they're like because all you have is propaganda distributed by your "party" or the media, that's sole purpose is to cause you feel exactly the way you do about them.

    But get it straight, Man, they're just people trying to get through life just like you & I. They have to work to make ends meet & want the best education for their kids. They have ups & downs & all the other normal things in life just like us.



    Leave your porch, Man, & stop being afraid of people/things that are different from what you think is "normal." There are extremists in every religion/culture. You simply cannot lump everyone into one box because of the actions of a few wackos.
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/18 14:40:53
    All American
    I use to live in Germany, too, and knew many Muslims there as well as here in the States, and yes their friendly, but collectively they cause problems. They want to apply their ways in the host country rather than adopt the new ways.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/18 15:29:03
    Grammar Freak
    That's true in France. They have a very different history & because they haven't done anything about their immigration system & controlling how many immigrants come in or for how long they're allowed to stay (because of their colonies), they have loads of problems.

    Germany doesn't have as many issues because they closely restrict who & how many & for how long, etc. People have to go through integration courses, regardless of where they're from (yes, us included).

    Plus, the majority of Muslims in Germany are Turkish. The Turks have a very different culture. They're known for tolerance of various religions & their chipper disposition, generally.



    Whatever.

    We don't have to worry about such issues (like those in France) in the US because of our history & our constitution. We're pretty much covered. I refuse to sweat something that isn't happening (sorta like those ridiculous voter i.d. laws that prevent voter fraud that isn't happening).
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/18 15:56:10
    All American
    Angela Merkel said multi-culturism is a failed concept. There was a reason she said that.

    There are major problems in Holland, and England. Here, in Detroit they have major problems with these people.

    Voter ID only preserves the integrity of the voting system.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/19 14:34:20
    Grammar Freak
    Yeah, there's a reason... she's an idiot.
    I live in one of the most multi-cultural cities in the world.
    Yeah, there's crime... petty crime, for the most part. But we do not live in fear here. I go out at night & see old grannies walking alone or with their friends/sisters at all hours... without fear. No one is afraid they're going to get mugged or raped. It just doesn't happen. There are no big riots (except on May 1st when they're scheduled), there are protests & demonstrations every week... with every race/nationality included... about rents going up, about the quality of the education system, about nuclear waste, etc & so forth. Everyone marches together. I've never seen some big race riot or Muslim catastrophe of some sort. It simply doesn't happen.

    But when she said that, my jaw dropped. She doesn't get it. It has worked. It's working now. It's incredibly successful. She was absolutely wrong. I can't tell you how wrong she was. It was simply astounding that she'd say such a thing.

    Voter i.d. being pushed by the Republicans is simply a way to disenfranchise the voters they don't want to vote. We don't have a voter fraud problem.
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/19 15:37:02
    All American
    Muslims don't mix, it's in their doctrines not to. It's not necessarily the crime, but the separation of Muslim from non Muslims that they want and the implementation of Sharia Law. They don't want to assimilate, they want to separate.

    Voter ID is just plain common sense. The libs are mad because it will make it harder for dead people to vote.... more than once. lol

    Is is disenfranchisement when ID is required to cash a check, fly on a plane, drive a car and on and on??
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/19 17:17:56
    Grammar Freak
    Really?
    Huh.
    Is that why they invite me to dinner? Is that why they invite me into their home to teach their kids? Is that why I have coffee with Arabs, Turks, etc? Is that why many of the families have kids who leave Islam, yet are still a part of their families?

    What the hell do you mean they don't want to assimilate? They ARE assimilated. Of course there are those who aren't. But at least here in Germany, the majority are assimilated. The Germans will complain & piss & moan about everything. But you've got to understand that the Turkish people were asked to come here to work. They were not given any restrictions on how long they could stay & they were not given any integration courses... no language, etc. The Germans separated themselves from the Turks in every way. They treated them a lot like the whites treated the blacks in the fifties & sixties. They didn't invite them into their homes to show them how they live or teach them the language. The Germans are at fault for the majority of the problems they've had with the immigrants here. Now, in the past fifteen years, since the integration programs have been implemented, the problems are fewer & fewer. There are foreigners from all over who aren't assimilated in the US. There are colonies in the US where outsiders...

    &



    Really?
    Huh.
    Is that why they invite me to dinner? Is that why they invite me into their home to teach their kids? Is that why I have coffee with Arabs, Turks, etc? Is that why many of the families have kids who leave Islam, yet are still a part of their families?

    What the hell do you mean they don't want to assimilate? They ARE assimilated. Of course there are those who aren't. But at least here in Germany, the majority are assimilated. The Germans will complain & piss & moan about everything. But you've got to understand that the Turkish people were asked to come here to work. They were not given any restrictions on how long they could stay & they were not given any integration courses... no language, etc. The Germans separated themselves from the Turks in every way. They treated them a lot like the whites treated the blacks in the fifties & sixties. They didn't invite them into their homes to show them how they live or teach them the language. The Germans are at fault for the majority of the problems they've had with the immigrants here. Now, in the past fifteen years, since the integration programs have been implemented, the problems are fewer & fewer. There are foreigners from all over who aren't assimilated in the US. There are colonies in the US where outsiders are absolutely not welcome. There are Muslims from every nation.

    Let's get it straight... voter i.d. implementation at this time is a ploy by the Republicans to prevent certain groups from voting for Obama. To push it so close to the election is clear disenfranchisement. They've so much as admitted it (Turzai from PA). There are people who just have no need for a photo i.d. They've never needed one before & they likely won't get one now just to vote... you know how old people are, especially. No one likes Romney... not even members of his own "party." They have to do anything they can to get him in, including cheating (which they've already done in the primaries), because he just can't win by number of people who support him.
    He's an idiot.
    He frightens me as much or more than Obama.

    In other words, you're into the idea of a national i.d. card. Huh. That's very "pro-government control" of you.
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  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/19 18:07:53
    All American
    Individually, they're nice. I've been invited over, too. Collectively, is where you get your problems. They don't assimilate here, they want their ways accommodated, especially with Sharia law.

    The Arabs and Turks separate themselves from others by way of religion; they're Muslim and you're not.

    Voter ID is available to all, both republican and democrats, except for dead people. No one is being disenfranchised except dead people and those who are ineligible to vote. Example, those who vote twice or in a district they're not eligible, illegal aliens etc. This is why democrats hate the new law. Cheating and lying is a specialty of the left, that's all they do.

    It's not a national ID, it's state ID.
  • Grammar... All Ame... 2012/08/19 21:26:52
  • All Ame... Grammar... 2012/08/19 22:51:09
    All American
    Re: Turzai

    It will allow Republicans to have a chance to win because democrats will have a harder time gaming the system as I stated above. Drivers license and state ID cards are available to all.

    You hear about voter fraud every election, it's just hard to prove.

    Speaking of blind, deaf and dumb, how do you think Obama go elected?
  • Israel All Ame... 2012/08/17 19:24:07
  • All Ame... Israel 2012/08/17 19:53:20
    All American
    +1
    I think they, Muslims, consider him the perfect man.
  • Israel All Ame... 2012/08/17 21:24:12
    Israel
    +1
    All muslims are mad, take after their clinically insane, vile leader. e.g. mohorrid and now Bollocks insane oblundgeon the constitution.
  • Grammar... Muver 2012/08/15 21:36:01
    Grammar Freak
    +2
    A lot of people look at the whackos in the US & think the same about Christianity.
  • sockpuppet Grammar... 2012/08/15 22:13:25
    sockpuppet
    +1
    But they're only "racists" if they speak out against misogyny, right? Give us the racism speech again.
  • Grammar... sockpuppet 2012/08/15 22:43:44
  • sockpuppet Grammar... 2012/08/15 22:56:20
  • Booッ 2012/08/15 13:28:27
    Booッ
    +1
    I don't think they will be able to survive for too long without men.
  • Prepper... Booッ 2012/08/15 14:46:07
    Prepper Politics
    sure they can... there's bound to be some lesbians in there that can fix things.
  • Booッ Prepper... 2012/08/15 14:46:42
    Booッ
    They won't be able to reproduce.
  • Prepper... Booッ 2012/08/15 15:00:04
    Prepper Politics
    well, no. they wouldn't. but they could adopt
  • Israel Booッ 2012/08/15 20:11:31
    Israel
    There is enough of the cancer islam in the world, without these women reproducing.
  • Muver Booッ 2012/08/15 17:31:41
    Muver
    +1
    Are you serious....women tend to get along better without men, that vice versa...as long as
    they don't have to live under the control of a man, and can take care of themselves...
    Generally, women live longer than men, and go on ....
  • Israel Booッ 2012/08/15 20:10:38
    Israel
    +2
    Oh I am sure they will do very well actually. But they men will not leave them alone for long, and would still control the women, so nothing will change.
  • Wretha S 2012/08/15 13:27:13
    Wretha S
    +10
    I just don't get it, any society that would force women to cover themselves from head to toe in heavy black fabric, because their blasphemous book written by a pedophile tells them to, or because their men cannot seem to control themselves and might rape a women who is visible to them, which BTW would get the woman (not the man) stoned to death, not to mention all of the other negative ways this society treats women, that society has far more troubles and problems than this.

    Wretha

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