Protesters Storm U.S. Embassy in Cairo: Can the U.S. Ever Win in the Middle East?

by Chris D Posted 2012/09/11 21:00:00

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The U.S. supported the removal of the last regime in Egypt and now we have militant Muslims storming the U.S. embassy and raising black flags. With American help, these very militants were freed from the tyranny of Mubarak -- and now this? Can the U.S. ever win in the Middle East?

CNN.COM reports:
Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and hauled down the American flag.

angry protesters climbed walls embassy cairo tuesday hauled american flag

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Transquesta 2012/09/11 21:10:10

No

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The best option is for us to get the hell out of the middle east, and to stay out! Following that would be to close our borders to ANY travel FROM the middle east. Complete quarantine. Nobody in, nobody out--at least not insofar as we're concerned. Fundamentalist Islam should be seen as the contagion it is, and it should be treated as such.
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Tombsto... to Haytham 2012/09/13 15:45:10

I beg to differ with you. The evidence of the past decades and the past few days violence is one more example, of which there are dozens and dozens, of the INTOLERANCE, violence and outright horror of Islam- see car bombs in Shia neighborhoods and machine gunning in Sunni neighborhoods, and repeated calls for the complete destruction of Jews. This last one from the ACKNOWLEDGED spiritual leaders of huge numbers of people...all of whom call themselves Muslims - and who am I to question their proclamation. You see little of this kind of atrocities from ANY other proclaimed faith on the planet. So get over it, you are, presuming that your blind assertion above is reflective of your belief, a part of the most violent, despicable "faith" based group of the recent centuries.

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ZenerSix 2012/09/12 15:40:04

No

What do they know that the US hasn't told us?

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Red Branch 2012/09/12 15:34:52 (edited)

Yes

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Since 632, the only time Islam has ever behaved itself is following a massive and catestrophic defeat in which they were unable to continue their aggression. It worked then and it will work now.

Yes, but we need to fight first. Take the restrictions off our guys and let them do what
they did in WWII. Done properly, we would have been down with Afghanistan within 6 months and Saddam would have seen the light and cleaned up his act and the Iraq invasion would never have been.

Had events of the 1990s been handled correctly, 9-11 would never have happened.

I am not advocating war with either Egypt or Libya over the events of the past couple of days. Cut all aid, freeze our UN funding for Islamic countries and oreder our govt staff out of there and suggest all American citizens leave those countries immediately. Those hyphenated Americans with dual citizenship can stay. We can encourage the hyphenated ones in the US to return to the country of their origin.

And for the ignorant, anti-American, hard-Left libs; is this Redundant.
"I Am Not Calling for War Over These Attacks on the US".

Edit: Spelling

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newhon63 to Red Branch 2012/09/12 16:36:43

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The only thing I disagree with is dual citizenship. This goes for Canadian-US citizenship as well. Dual citizenship is nothing more than fence sitting in it's purest form. One question for anyone with a dual citizenship. Where does your loyalty lie? If the two nations you have citizenship with went to war against each other, who would you fight for? Answer that question and you will know what nation you are a loyal citizen. Using this tactic so you can work in the US, or as a method of avoiding tax burden, is a reason I would not want to share a nation with them and they are as welcome as the illegal that stowed away on a ship or swam the Rio Grande, even the one who was stupid enough to float across the ocean to get to America. If you can't come here the right way, don't come at all.

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Red Branch to newhon63 2012/09/12 20:27:57

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I am not in favor of dual citizenship. I meant the dual citizens that are in Egypt other countries can stay there and I would encourage the dual citizens that are in the US to return from whence they came.

We have about 45 million dual citizens in the US today, most of them from countries that hate us. I favor deporting all the illegal aliens and I am opposed to birthright citizenship and anchor babies.

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Sperry23 2012/09/12 15:30:32

No

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The Middle East continues to devolve into barbarity. As much as I dislike saying so, it's time the U.S. completely leave the area, remove all governmental aid, including financial, military, and "humanitarian" (yes, I said it), and allow the area to descend into the chaos the religionists love so much. Send all their "ambassadors" and envoys packing. Get them out of our country and close their "embassies".

Post pickets around the Middle East to contain them and keep them "in the arena" until a clear winner is clearly evident. Then deal with them. Otherwise we will continue to suffer losses at the hands of the religious fanatics that run rampant in the area.

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newhon63 to Sperry23 2012/09/12 16:46:19

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Agree completely. I would add to that. Gather up all the citizens of the nations involved and put them on the same planes as the Ambassadors, the kids of the people that hate us so much yet willing to have us educate them on our dime while forcing us to put a 2nd mortgage on our homes to try to give our kids a chance to go to college. It's no wonder the US is behind the rest of the world in technology. Too busy making sure Prince Abu Boo from the Saudi Royal Family knows how to fly an F-16, and can sow his wild oats on our women, out of sight of their own people since adultery is punishable by death in his own nation. Foreign exchange? Why? There is not much the rest of the world can teach our children that we can't teach them within our own borders that is worth learning. If there were, then the citizens of the world would not want to come here so badly.

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Old Salt 2012/09/12 15:18:59

Only in Isreal

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IF we cannot stand with Israel... We have no allegiance to our committments to stand on our own Constitution! For we've made her a PROMISE!!!

JEWS... You BEST WAKE UP! obama is MUSLIM or he sympathizes with them! He does NOT like JEWS!!! You vote for him, you vote for someone HELL BENT for the destruction of Israel! It is a SAD, SAD time for Israel when Christians have more love and willingness to defend your Faith then you do! Those of you who will STILL vote for him…. I can honestly say that you are to Israel what Judas was to Christians! In Egypt and Libya, we are seeing those who obama assisted to come into power and destroying our property and killing our people ALL OVER AGAIN. The fact that they do this on 9/11 shows the distain they have for ALL OF US!

Old Salt

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Eric 2012/09/12 15:11:14

Yes

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Only answered Yes because there are things that the US could do to improve the liklihood. But the bottom line is that those countries have such an ingrained anti-American culture and the political and media class is promoting anti-American sentiments for their own reasons.
It would help if we had knowledgeable and able leadership. Clearly the present Administration has no clue and we are more unpopular in the region then ever.

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ART 2012/09/12 15:10:46

No

WHY BOTHER. THE MUSLIMS WILL JUST COME HERE AND GRADUALLY TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY. THAT IS THEIR GOAL. OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

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mac9 2012/09/12 15:07:00 (edited)

No

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The people are maniacs that think violence is the only way. Now with Ambassador Stevens killed by barbarians in Libya you can see the terrorists have no respect for Obama. No further immigration from the Middle East to America.

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Old Salt to mac9 2012/09/12 15:27:03

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The President MUST order the U.S. 6th fleet to take IMMEDIATE position off the coasts of Libya and Egypt! The LAST time no action was taken on a matter like this, America was held HOSTAGE for more than a year! obama needs to act like a President rather than APOLOGIZE for our Freedom of Speech!!! :(

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Lerro DeHazel 2012/09/12 14:50:01

No

NO!! . . . The Satellite up there in Space is just going to waste . . . Sure, it might provide baby-sitting Junior with a certain degree of happiness derived from playing with his electronic radiation hand-held video games; which is also frying his brain; but IF THE MID-EAST just only had full-control of such technology, themselves, then believe me; New York City would look like the desert that surrounds Mecca . . . Don’t ever think that it wouldn’t. We just don’t have that kind of Leadership Skills in Washington to take care of our business when it comes to Security, and protecting our People; as what is really “Promised?” in the Constitution (Yes! That one!) . . . At any rate, a Mushroom Cloud that would hang over Mecca for the next 75-years would DEFINITELY take the meanness out of the Ragheads and their masquerading Radhead Doctrine.

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FanOreilly 2012/09/12 14:41:03

Yes

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When we support pro-US dictators yes.

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BlackwinterG36C 2012/09/12 14:39:11

Yes

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We have fought our wars with ALOT of restraint because of Political Correctness and attempts to reach out. But because of "collateral damage" something NOBODY complained about in WW2. We fight wars with kit gloves and surgical actions. If we were serious we could LEVEL the middle-east.

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cesspool to Blackwi... 2012/09/12 16:12:18

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I love your mentality, genocide....that will fix things. There is one billion Muslims and just about all of them aren't radicals.

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Blackwi... to cesspool 2012/09/12 22:15:44

This isn't about violence. This is the current geopolitical ideological struggle. The West VS Radical Islam. That region of the world will never be satisfied until the world is under one book (the koran). So called "Radical Islam" is at least 25% or more of the islamic world. And its not really Radical Islam. Its real name is LITERAL ISLAM. The more devout a muslim is the more likely they would fit the politically correct name of radical. I'm not calling for genocide I'm calling for a Marshall plan for the middle-east which is what the War on Terror has been about from the begining. The people we are fighting don't live in the same century as we do.

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cesspool to Blackwi... 2012/09/13 13:41:45 (edited)

25%....I wonder where you got this bit of information from, I'm pretty sure you just made it up. Even if the number is anywhere close to 25%, which I'm sure it's not even close (300,000,000?!), you would persecute the other seven hundred million, what's wrong with you? if I get any facts about the Muslim religion and radicals I'll get them from people who actually follow the religion and not some genocidal, radical bias Christian. Muslims are good people too.......I take back the Christian thing, you my friend are no buddist with that mentality.

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Blackwi... to cesspool 2012/09/13 14:06:42

You don't understand that this IS the global struggle of our era. You need to wake up. Radical Islam is a LARGE portion of the muslim population in the middeleast. If they aren't radical muslims many if not most sympathize with them. There is a huge Anti-American, Anti-Western, and Anti-Semetic mindset that dominates that region. And no amount of appeasement will satisfy them. You should look at the world through their eyes. http://www.memritv.org/

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cesspool to Blackwi... 2012/09/13 16:08:02
Blackwi... to cesspool 2012/09/14 00:16:07

Yes EVERYTHING is Bush's fault. I guess when they bombed the Two Towers in 1993, and attacked our Embassies in 1998, and attacked the USS Cole in 2000. It was Bush's fault too. They have been at war with us since 1979!! These people live on hate. They hate us because of WHO we are more than our foriegn policy. They hate us because of our friendship with Israel. They hate us because of our culture (Music, Movies, Lifestyle,etc). They hate us because we don't subscribe to their religion. They hate us because we are #1. Because they can't understand why they live above Africa but below everybody else. They don't understand why they have corrupt tyranical governments and blame us for their governments because we send them aid. NO US policy change will change how they feel about us. They live in the 13th century and expect the world to eventually join them.

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cesspool to Blackwi... 2012/09/14 10:47:04

Ask a Muslim if you want to know why, sounds like you have never talked to anyone of the faith ever. The majority of Muslims(99.9%) only want us out of their countries plain and simple. the radicals are so few, America has just as many crazy Christians, we all live in the 21st century......"if tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" James Madison. Muslims are a kind and generous people....wake up indoctrinated fool.

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Blackwi... to cesspool 2012/09/14 11:02:38

Ya, pulling out of Lebanon in 1983 really stopped them from hating us and attacking us. Your the one that's an indoctrinated fool if you think if we pulled all our forces out of the region the hatred an violence would stop. After all ONLY american troops commit war crimes. Not the sacred muslim warrior that beheads people and posts it on the net.

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cesspool to Blackwi... 2012/09/14 16:10:18 (edited)

You only make a fool out of yourself when you assume such absurd things. Violence will not stop but would be far less frequent and severe if we established our country then let others follow our example by their choice and not coerced with guns and bombs, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Do you think if Islam wanted to destroy us with their billion followers they would have done much more damage than what has already been done? I will not brand hundreds of millions as my enemy based on the actions of a few. Your an idiot if you think I condone cutting people's heads off or support extremist, I just like to know the truth behind both sides of the story. Guess what, about a billion Muslims don't support cutting people's heads of either. What's your brilliant solution, maintain our foreign presence and continue to kill any who don't conform? "If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest." Thomas Jefferson.

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Blackwi... to cesspool 2012/09/15 01:02:08

This isn't about conquest or war. This is about the fundamental struggle of out time. WW2 was the defining struggle for the 30s and 40s. The Cold War was the defining struggle of most of the 20th century. Our defining struggle is between "Radical' Islam and the West. So called extremism is being openly taught in schools, institutions, and in the media through out the middle-east. People in the middle-east are either part of the extremist wave, sympathize with it, apathetic about it, or stay silent. They don't live in democracies. If you disagree with the government or the mainstream over there you are either arrested/executed or you keep your mouth shut. Thats why there has been a mass exodus from the whole region to europe and other places. Your speaking to these people that have left that system. Hezzbolah is not just a terrorist group its a pillar of the Iranian government!

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cesspool to Blackwi... 2012/09/15 11:40:49

The fundamental struggle of our time is fighting the lies and propaganda put out by an out of control central power that is our government, it is the only struggle and we have been fighting it for 1000's of years.

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Blackwi... to cesspool 2012/09/15 13:05:34

I see, our evil wicked Capitalist Military-Industrial Complex is to blame for the worlds ills. ONLY when the workers and farmers unite and overthrow our wicked government will there be peace in the Arab world. Onward Comrade the revolution is needed!

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Kimmel 2012/09/12 14:36:00

Yes

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I believe the Middle East will defeat itself if we just get out of the way, and make ourselves energy independent.

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Rusty Shackleford 2012/09/12 14:28:24

No

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They want us dead because we are infidels. They choice they offer us is convert or die. There will never be peace.

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Red Branch to Rusty S... 2012/09/12 15:38:49

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There is another option. Kill them.
The only time Islam has ever behaved itself since 632 is following massive and catestrophic defeats. But these events should trigger such action. 9-11 was and should have been exercised and the world would be different today. Better.

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Rusty S... to Red Branch 2012/09/12 16:14:23

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Of course, killing them is my preferred option when they force me to make a decision.

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Lanikai to Red Branch 2012/09/12 16:17:22 (edited)

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I agree, bomb them into a flat plain and make that parking for a massive American military base.

Moses, then David, Then Solomon should have finished the job, as God commanded, so we wouldn't still be dealing with the remnants.

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Red Branch to Lanikai 2012/09/12 20:28:33

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I wished they had finished their assigned tasks.

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Lanikai to Red Branch 2012/09/12 20:32:04

Me too.

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David 2012/09/12 14:18:42

No

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The region is too contentious for anyone to win, even other Muslim, Arab and non-Arab Muslim countries. There is an extreme dichotomy in this region and it lies in it's distant past and it's present.

This huge part of the world was the cradle of modern civilization and in part the basis for much of western culture. Ancient Egypt was light years ahead of the rest of the world for centuries in terms of development. Mesopotamia, Persia, Syria, Lebanon, etc. all had their respective advanced civilizations. The Western and Northern European regions were backwaters sparsely populated with bands of settlers until the Roman empire expanded.

Soon after Islam came into being Arabs and other Muslims spread their territories deep into southwestern Europe and eastern European societies. Engineering, math, astronomy and science along with civic infrastructures flourished during Islamic domination. Gradually over centuries the Muslims were beaten back or converted. According to many written accounts there was tolerance for other beliefs back then but something happened or maybe it was a series of events. Now we have extremism in the vast Muslim Middle East. Not everywhere but the tension here is unlike anywhere else on the world and it is my belief the root cause if religious extremism.

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The region is too contentious for anyone to win, even other Muslim, Arab and non-Arab Muslim countries. There is an extreme dichotomy in this region and it lies in it's distant past and it's present.

This huge part of the world was the cradle of modern civilization and in part the basis for much of western culture. Ancient Egypt was light years ahead of the rest of the world for centuries in terms of development. Mesopotamia, Persia, Syria, Lebanon, etc. all had their respective advanced civilizations. The Western and Northern European regions were backwaters sparsely populated with bands of settlers until the Roman empire expanded.

Soon after Islam came into being Arabs and other Muslims spread their territories deep into southwestern Europe and eastern European societies. Engineering, math, astronomy and science along with civic infrastructures flourished during Islamic domination. Gradually over centuries the Muslims were beaten back or converted. According to many written accounts there was tolerance for other beliefs back then but something happened or maybe it was a series of events. Now we have extremism in the vast Muslim Middle East. Not everywhere but the tension here is unlike anywhere else on the world and it is my belief the root cause if religious extremism.

All major religions have had their share of religious zealotry. Consider late 15th and early 16th century Spain. Christian intolerance if Jews and Muslims was second to none after the Reconquest. The vast Christian parts of the world and much smaller Jewish parts of the world for all intents and purposes can be considered tame regarding tolerance and overall attitude. Israel is the exception but politics and state survival play a much bigger role there than religion.
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McCate 2012/09/12 14:13:38
terrabytes 2012/09/12 14:08:46

No

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Never going to happen.

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Professor Wizard 2012/09/12 14:06:42

No

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NO!

NEVER!

The people of the Middle East are Animals... they will NEVER enjoy peace, because it is just not genetically possible for them to get along with anyone, not even themselves.

They have been waring for 3 thousand years, and will war for another 3 thousand.

They are Angry... always... if not at someone else, at their own selves.

They kill their own adult children without remorse.

They have no problem with 8 year-old's marrying and having sex with old men!

They are just a messed up people, and that will never change!

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Semper Fi 2012/09/12 13:59:07

No

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Immediately close our embassies, pull out all US personnel, cut off all aid. End of story.

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Lanikai to Semper Fi 2012/09/12 16:38:39

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Perfect solution.

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