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Protesters Storm U.S. Embassy in Cairo: Can the U.S. Ever Win in the Middle East?

Chris D 2012/09/11 21:00:00
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The U.S. supported the removal of the last regime in Egypt and now we have militant Muslims storming the U.S. embassy and raising black flags. With American help, these very militants were freed from the tyranny of Mubarak -- and now this? Can the U.S. ever win in the Middle East?

CNN.COM reports:
Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and hauled down the American flag.
angry protesters climbed walls embassy cairo tuesday hauled american flag

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  • Transquesta 2012/09/11 21:10:10
    No
    Transquesta
    +19
    The best option is for us to get the hell out of the middle east, and to stay out! Following that would be to close our borders to ANY travel FROM the middle east. Complete quarantine. Nobody in, nobody out--at least not insofar as we're concerned. Fundamentalist Islam should be seen as the contagion it is, and it should be treated as such.

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  • twhitin... Henriet... 2012/09/13 02:34:13
    twhiting9275
    There is no such thing as way too much time on the computer, especially when you're getting paid to do so.
  • Tom 2012/09/12 17:33:36
    Yes
    Tom
    +1
    Picture Israel surrounded by a MASSIVE parking lot:D
  • Vipor_GG 2012/09/12 17:31:17
    No
    Vipor_GG
    +1
    That region has been like this since biblical times and isn't going to change. We could win the middle east, but it isn't going to happen. The US hasn't got the stomach to do what would be required and even if the US had the stomach it would be wrong on many levels because you would have to level the entire region. After the fallout clears there would be peace in the middle east.
  • Thomas ... Vipor_GG 2012/09/13 02:49:53 (edited)
  • FordCrews 2012/09/12 17:29:02
    No
    FordCrews
    +3
    5000 years of history have shown us what kind of animals infest that area, it's past time the world wipe the region off the face of the earth once and for all.
  • luigi1- in god we trust 2012/09/12 17:28:07
    No
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +5
    Liberal talk radio wasted no time blaming Bush for the embassy attacks citing Bush's knack for infuriating the Muslim World.

    Rosie O'Donnell, of course makes excuses for Islamic behavior by blaming hostile Christians every single time. Never mind her liberal Hollywood as the true purpatrator.
  • Trader1... luigi1-... 2012/09/13 17:17:22
    Trader1 is kerbonkin'
    +1
    I wonder if the Hollywood liberals ever consider the fact that the only contact most of the rest of the world has with America is through their movies. No wonder they have such a low opinion of us.
  • Tannenberg1993 2012/09/12 17:28:04
    Only in Isreal
    Tannenberg1993
    +6
    The Islamic culture, as I have come to understand it, is a hateful one. It will never stop trying to pick a fight with the West even if we adopt a neutral stance towards the Middle East. I've read enough of the (translated) Qur'an to know this much.
  • luigi1-... Tannenb... 2012/09/12 17:30:42
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +7
    Any culture that turns on their very own & kills their own family members won't think twice about wasting a few infadels.
  • Matthew Franklin Cooper 2012/09/12 17:22:27
    Yes
    Matthew Franklin Cooper
    +1
    But only if we change tactics considerably.

    The lesson which should be taken from recent events in Libya and Egypt is that we should be choosing our allies with extreme care. When we funded and armed OBL in Afghanistan to fight off the Soviets, he eventually turned around and attacked us in 2001. We supported him because he was an ideological opponent of the USSR. Nowadays we seem to be supporting 'democratic' movements which will only serve to usher in Islamist governments wherever they win (whether it's the NTC or what the Muslim Brotherhood has sadly become in recent decades).

    A better tactic will be to support a realist foreign policy. Make it so we are no longer so trigger-happy for military intervention. Support governments which are competent and politically stable, not just ones which will give us short-run economic benefits or which are aligned ideologically with 'democracy'. Foster the remnants of Arab nationalism - only this way can governments reassert their legitimacy against religious zealots. Revoke or reconsider Israel's status as a permanent ally, given their destabilising influence in the region. Cooperate more with the realist governments of Russia and China than with misguided Western European idealists.
  • luigi1-... Matthew... 2012/09/12 17:29:32
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +2
    Not as long as the liberals are in charge. They make exuses for the Islamists every time.
  • Matthew... luigi1-... 2012/09/14 19:31:22
    Matthew Franklin Cooper
    I honestly don't think it is a matter of liberals or conservatives. Both sides have propped up what I consider to be odious governments - whether it was the Islamists in Kosovo and Bosnia under Clinton, or whether it was the Sunni and Kurdish warlords and opportunists in Iraq under Bush Jr. (supported in both cases by both the Saudis and the Israelis). Now you have both Hillary Clinton and John McCain pushing for a needless intervention in Syria - not really a pin to choose between them.

    Honestly, I think there are two productive ways forward: one, for an advocate of realpolitik (in the mold of Bush Sr.) to take centre stage; or two, for the Green and Libertarian parties to take the place of the Democratic and Republican ones.
  • El Prez 2012/09/12 17:19:02
    No
    El Prez
    +4
    Get out, stay out and let them eat sand!! Of course, their partenrs at the oil companies will never agree!!!
  • luigi1-... El Prez 2012/09/12 17:33:24
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +3
    We are so worried about helping out Libya & Egypt for fear they may go into a state of chaos. Let them fight, eat each other & kill each other if that's what they want. Better they fight with themselves than fight with us.
  • El Prez luigi1-... 2012/09/12 17:59:01
    El Prez
    +1
    Seems right to me!!!
  • mrk5panzer 2012/09/12 17:15:33
    No
    mrk5panzer
    +8
    Not if we spend over 10 yrs fighting with our hands tied behind our backs.
  • luigi1-... mrk5panzer 2012/09/12 17:34:17
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +2
    You can thank the liberal PC brigade for that.
  • chas mrk5panzer 2012/09/12 17:40:49
    chas
    +3
    amen ! Win wars, destroy the enemy, retreat to base. "Occupy land , rebuild" - never.
  • Trader1... mrk5panzer 2012/09/13 17:20:11
    Trader1 is kerbonkin'
    +1
    Don't fight a war if you don't plan on winning it
  • MYSTIC MYSTIQUE 2012/09/12 17:10:09
    Only in Isreal
    MYSTIC MYSTIQUE
    +2
    wonder what "IS" going on over there?
  • Mark DeBarbieri 2012/09/12 16:56:24
    Only in Isreal
    Mark DeBarbieri
    +2
    Very few people fully understand what is going on in the Middle East. Part of the problem is the lame stream media and the other part is misinformation, but probably the biggest part of understanding what is going on there is Bible prophecy. This space or venue is not the place to discuss this. One needs to not only read the Bible in light of prophecy, but also understanding the symbolism of Bible references to the modern day venacular. One third of the Bible is prophecy. How many of you have ever heard that in your churches? Not many. I have been student of the Bible for over 33 years and a student of law for the past 18 years. This combination has provided me with insight that very few will ever understand, which allowed me to accurately predict this present economic collapse back in 2003, for which one person I warned back then called me to tell me in 2008 that everything I had said all came true.
  • bob 2012/09/12 16:54:47
    No
    bob
    +2
    The GOD of Abrahamic Religions is the GOD of WAR for the Jews, Islams and Christians. They are willing to kill each other in order to prove their religion of peace. The only way to end these wars is to destroy the abrahamic religions. These fairy tales have caused more harm than good.
  • hbarite... bob 2012/09/12 17:47:18
    hbariteauiii
    +1
    Where is Richard Dawkins when you need him?
  • Juan O'Mara 2012/09/12 16:50:08
    No
    Juan O'Mara
    +1
    welcome to DesertNam
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/09/12 16:28:48
    No
    jackolantyrn356
    +1
    However the West can keep them from becoming the ruling body in this World. You do not understand, but this is the beginning of a 1000 year attempt to pull off a "reverse Crusade"...... It will be just as bloody and foolish as the 1st one...... The Muslims have decided to take over the World for Allah.......

    God may use the Muslims to punish the Christians for what we have allowed in a really FREE SOCIETY.

    Pray I am wrong
  • Sass 2012/09/12 16:27:40
    No
    Sass
    +2
    Pull all our guys out of there and let them kill each other.
  • RTHTGakaRoland 2012/09/12 16:25:19
    Only in Isreal
    RTHTGakaRoland
    +3
    Obama ubiquitously blames and apologizes for America and American Values for the problems of the world. Can we be shocked when some believe him and act out?

    'An apology for America's values is never the right course' - Mitt Romney

    http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz2...
  • newhon63 2012/09/12 16:18:38 (edited)
    Yes
    newhon63
    +2
    We can win in the Middle East. I think all we need to do is take the gloves off and play by the same rules as they do. Plant our own road side bombs. Not just enhanced interrogations, ultra enhanced interrogations. Blow up mosques as readily as they are willing to blow up churches. By comparison, we are playing by Queensbury rules and they fight with a total disregard for any human life at all, including their own people.



    They say that there is a difference between a typical Muslim and an Islamist. I submit that while it still may be true, judging by the activies of the crowd in Cairo, it appears to be many less typical peaceful Muslims than we first were lead to believe. I would be more inclined to believe that there is Islamists who are violent , Islamists that are sympathetic to their cause but lack the stomach for the more hands-on approach and then there are the women who are told to do things and they obey and the children that have been told non-believers are the GREAT SATAN and as such are not to be believed regardless of the evidence that Islam is the great lie.



    Ladies and gentlemen, none of this makes any difference at all. Islam hates all non-believers, no matter where they come from. They are told their is only 3 outcomes for anyone who has not come to Islam.



    1) To ...

















    We can win in the Middle East. I think all we need to do is take the gloves off and play by the same rules as they do. Plant our own road side bombs. Not just enhanced interrogations, ultra enhanced interrogations. Blow up mosques as readily as they are willing to blow up churches. By comparison, we are playing by Queensbury rules and they fight with a total disregard for any human life at all, including their own people.



    They say that there is a difference between a typical Muslim and an Islamist. I submit that while it still may be true, judging by the activies of the crowd in Cairo, it appears to be many less typical peaceful Muslims than we first were lead to believe. I would be more inclined to believe that there is Islamists who are violent , Islamists that are sympathetic to their cause but lack the stomach for the more hands-on approach and then there are the women who are told to do things and they obey and the children that have been told non-believers are the GREAT SATAN and as such are not to be believed regardless of the evidence that Islam is the great lie.



    Ladies and gentlemen, none of this makes any difference at all. Islam hates all non-believers, no matter where they come from. They are told their is only 3 outcomes for anyone who has not come to Islam.



    1) To be converted to Islam.

    2) To be made to pay a submission tax and be treated as a 3rd class citizen. Not allowed to own any real property or to have control over their own lives. They would be under constant suspicion and harassed throughout their lives. Their women and children would be subject to the whims of true believers and 2nd class citizens. In short, slaves. This means if a true believer wants to take your woman as a sex slave, it is his right to do so. Your male children can be taken and made to fight for Islam, girls will be taken as sex slaves or used for whatever purpose they see fit.



    3) death.



    To Islam, there is no 4th choice. The world MUST convert to Islam, submit to it's followers, or die. The fight will continue. If we start trying to negotiate peace, we will be stuck in the same circle as Israel with the hard-headed Palestinians. Give them a concession and they will be silent for all of about 3months, then start their crap again in order to get more.



    If all they understand is violence, then that is what we have to give them, violence. The world has to stamp out Islam. We believe in live and let live. We strive toward that goal at all costs. But what happens when the adversary has no desire to co-exist? Then it comes down to submit to the enemy or come at them with everything you have and drop the basic rules of civility. The rest of the world turns a blind eye to the atrocity of war when it comes from the Muslim world but it makes global news when some of our soilders see it day in and day out and retaliates in kind as if we are the side that dropped all pretense of decency in the first place. If we are not willing to do this, then we might as well put down our weapons, get in line and decide which one of the 3 choices we would like to exist under.



    Islam is wrong. We have a 4th choice, survival. Fighting tooth and nail, using the same tactics, strategy, and ferocity as our enemy until all of us or all of Islam is dead. Peace-loving Muslims are and always will be welcome in the peaceful world I propose, but they must be made to understand that , should peace prevail and Islam is eradicated from the face of the earth, any attempt to reawaken the nightmare will be treated the same way Muhammed should have been treated when he first started. With death. They made the rules, I am just suggesting that we "Fight fire with fire"
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  • FlyGalsMom newhon63 2012/09/13 02:37:50
    FlyGalsMom
    I was UNEASY about islam before 9/11 because of so many attacks in the world by them~ I have been reading for years about the SO CALLED religion of peace and it is HORSE $#!+
    Radiate Islam
  • PapaBC 2012/09/12 16:08:22
    No
    PapaBC
    +4
    An yet we allow all these redicals to come to the USA. What is wrong with America?
  • ladyjane PapaBC 2012/09/12 20:58:43
    ladyjane
    How many has Obama let into the U.S. and where are they from?
  • FlyGalsMom PapaBC 2012/09/13 02:24:21
    FlyGalsMom
    +1
    Political correctness run amok is what is wrong~ our elected officials do not want to alienate a prospective voter even if it puts us all in harms way~~
  • Lanikai 2012/09/12 16:08:21
    No
    Lanikai
    +4
    Not until we get a president with a big set of balls again.

    No mollycoddling, no pandering, no more bowing and apologizing.
  • bags the Indigenous Guru 2012/09/12 16:07:16
    Yes
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +1
    But not the way we are headed.
  • Haytham 2012/09/12 15:59:28
    Yes
    Haytham
    +1
    This is like asking "Can the US WIN-WIN anywhere outside the US?"

    The obvious answer is YES of course?

    But neither the US, nor any other contry on the planet, can WIN-LOSE another country.

    The author of "The 7 Habit of Highly effective people", Steven Covey was American? Correct me if I am wrong?
  • TombstoneJim 2012/09/12 15:47:27
    No
    TombstoneJim
    +3
    Not so long as Islam is the "guiding" principlals the people follow. They will remain, violent, intolerant and continue to demand that Israel "cease to be".......

    It's not the people. they are kind hearted and generous by nature - it is the totally screwed up philosophy of Islam that is the probelm....get rid of it and tada a peaceful region
  • Lanikai Tombsto... 2012/09/12 16:09:21
    Lanikai
    +2
    The islamics 3rd century ideas doesn't work well for all of us 21st century folks.
  • newhon63 Lanikai 2012/09/12 16:26:45
    newhon63
    +1
    The biggest problem is Islam will never take no for an answer. You can not leave the " Religion" of Islam. if you try to convert from Islam, you are given one chance to return or you are killed.
  • Tombsto... Lanikai 2012/09/12 16:54:35
    TombstoneJim
    +1
    Absolutely correct. Islam must have a “Reformation"...it's own Martin Luther, until then, just as in the horrible days of Christianity when Inquisitions (looking much like Sharia courts) condemned thousands to death and dismemberment……it’s just a shame that 3rd Century minds still prevail in the region, even among the intelligensia.
  • Haytham Tombsto... 2012/09/13 06:20:24
    Haytham
    Islam works for all times. It's just the misunderstanding and misconception from both, Muslims and non-Muslims, that causes all the conflicts.

    As a matter of fact, Islam is the most tolerant and open-minded religion. Islam has a diverse concepts and ideas that appeals to every taste. Islam has the solution to every social problem or even world problem.

    Islam is very considerate, tolerant and understanding of the humans and their nature.

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