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Prosecutor Will Not Use Grand Jury in George Zimmerman Case: Smart or Sketchy?

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Special prosecutor Angela Corey has announced that she will not use a grand jury to decide whether or not indict George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, ABC News reports. She says a grand jury will not be necessary in making the decision and assures the public, "The decision should not be considered a factor in the final determination of the case."

Analysts are calling Corey's decision "bold" and "shocking" because grand juries can be used as political cover in controversial cases. Prosecutors can shift the burden of the decision (in this case, whether or not to indict Zimmerman) onto the jury to avoid public scrutiny. Some suspect the reason she bypassed a grand jury in the George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin case was to block racial agendas that have developed around the case in either direction. But was it the right move?

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  • C. C. Rider 2012/04/10 15:45:49 (edited)
    Smart
    C. C. Rider
    +32
    NOTICE ZIMMERMAN HAS BEEN ARRESTED ON 2nd DEGREE MURDER WITH NO BAIL





    Smart. She is going straight for the arrest and not waste time and our tax payers money on this racist murderer.


    zimmerman racist murderer zimmerman racist murderer

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  • Grammar... Lt. Fred 2012/04/16 10:38:33
    Grammar Freak
    I agree that the Defense is going to have a difficult case to prove... but so with the Prosecution as well.

    I believe the situation was/is far too complex for the police department to have decided it on their own. I think this case is going to put Stand Your Ground on trial... or at least I hope so. It definitely needs to be reviewed. I definitely think there is a time & place for self-defense... without question. However, I wonder if Stand Your Ground is appropriate for the police to decide not to charge & investigate. It could/should be usable as a viable defense in court, or in a Grand Jury proceeding. But I think that cases should all be reviewed... yes, unfortunately even those that take place in a person's home.
    Yeah, I know. Loads of people will silently/loudly scream at such an idea. However, when considering myself in that situation, yes, I think it's fair. I think that I would want to ensure that I am cleared of any charges, that it would be public record that I was cleared, that it could not be re-visited (or at least not easily re-visited) later.
    I also think that a thorough investigation & having all of the facts in the open helps the families of both parties in the end. No, of course no one wants to think of their kid as a thug (or whatever), but sometim...

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    I agree that the Defense is going to have a difficult case to prove... but so with the Prosecution as well.

    I believe the situation was/is far too complex for the police department to have decided it on their own. I think this case is going to put Stand Your Ground on trial... or at least I hope so. It definitely needs to be reviewed. I definitely think there is a time & place for self-defense... without question. However, I wonder if Stand Your Ground is appropriate for the police to decide not to charge & investigate. It could/should be usable as a viable defense in court, or in a Grand Jury proceeding. But I think that cases should all be reviewed... yes, unfortunately even those that take place in a person's home.
    Yeah, I know. Loads of people will silently/loudly scream at such an idea. However, when considering myself in that situation, yes, I think it's fair. I think that I would want to ensure that I am cleared of any charges, that it would be public record that I was cleared, that it could not be re-visited (or at least not easily re-visited) later.
    I also think that a thorough investigation & having all of the facts in the open helps the families of both parties in the end. No, of course no one wants to think of their kid as a thug (or whatever), but sometimes it's important to show just that... that the person pulling the trigger was actually justified.

    This situation is incredibly unfortunate (as are most killings, whether justified or not). However, it would be best for everyone, including the public, if the media would simply keep its eyes on the actual issues... the negligence/bias/unprofessiona... of the police department when handling the case, the use of Stand Your Ground & the credibility of the media due to their unprofessional/dishonest reporting, etc.
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  • Lt. Fred Grammar... 2012/04/16 10:46:35
    Lt. Fred
    {I agree that the Defense is going to have a difficult case to prove... but so with the Prosecution as well.}

    The Prosecution don't have to prove any case; the defence has to prove self-defence, and that's going to be difficult.
  • Grammar... Lt. Fred 2012/04/16 20:15:18
    Grammar Freak
    If he tells the story he told the police, do you think a jury would convict him or acquit him based on "stand your ground?"
  • Lt. Fred Grammar... 2012/04/16 22:04:24
    Lt. Fred
    The Stand Your Ground law does seem to legalise murder doesn't it? So that may be the ace in the hole for the defence- I'm allowed to kill anyone I want, because of this Republican law that lets me murder people.

    The defence should challenge it as unconstitutional- because it contradicts federal laws against murder.
  • Grammar... Lt. Fred 2012/04/18 11:27:17
    Grammar Freak
    Well, it would seem that it certainly could be used for such a thing... especially now that it's so widely known about because of this case's media attention.
    I don't know that it was used in that way in this case, however. I just think that Zimmerman made incredibly foolish decisions that led to a kid's death. Had he not gotten such a severe case of big-shotism, none of this would ever had taken place.
    As it is, however, we're having this discussion & I find it painful to see the divisive nature of so many of my fellow countrymen/women.

    It does bring up many issues that our nation certainly should examine. But the one lesson I would hope would come out of this will likely be brushed aside... that taking a life is never a whimsical thing, that it certainly does change one's perception forever. I think Zimmerman has realized that, is suffering & will suffer throughout his life with that night forever etched & replaying in his mind. I suppose regardless of any court, that is his punishment & there is no escape from it. Were more people to be able to see that, maybe, just maybe there would be less of this big-shotism in our society. (I know... naive & Utopic thinking on my part.)
  • Mr. Won... apacheh... 2012/04/12 03:44:56 (edited)
    Mr. Wonderful
    Everyone including all the talking heads on cable though it would be manslaughter. Since it is murder, that almost confirms the have the goods on Zimmerman or they would have filed the less charge of manslaughter.

    Legally here's how Flordia defines 2nd degree murder:

    Murder in the 2nd degree means with a Depraved Mind

    Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.

    The primary distinction between Premeditated First Degree Murder and Second Degree Murder with a Depraved Mind is that First Degree Murder requires a specific and premeditated intent to kill.

    What that means in English is Zimmerman killed Martin, not in self-defense but by acting recklessly and without regard to another human being's safety knowing full well the action he took would be an extreme over reaction, likely a lethal act, thus he had to be "out of his mind' to do what he did and the State with have little trouble proving all the boneheaded things Zimmerman did leading up to him shooting Martin was in fact the acts of a depraved mind.

    The crime of Second Degree Murder is classified as a First Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 10 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code. The punishment if foundly guility caries a 25 years to life sentence as the maximum.
  • JeffH.Reynolds 2012/04/11 22:19:48
    Sketchy
    JeffH.Reynolds
    +2
    by passing the Grand Jury evidences a problem with the case and makes one wonder if the state isn't trying to subvert the rights of the defendant.
  • Lt. Fred JeffH.R... 2012/04/11 22:44:51
    Lt. Fred
    In what sense.
  • Winston... JeffH.R... 2012/04/11 23:29:09
    Winston Court
    +1
    Exactly, 12 members of the grand jury, which walks the same unsafe streets as Zimmerman, many who have probably been in fear of attack themselves, can't leave their homes after dark, etc. -- they'd be much more likely to give some honest input on this matter!
  • Lt. Fred Winston... 2012/04/12 07:11:04
    Lt. Fred
    Crime is at its lowest level ever.
  • Mr. Won... JeffH.R... 2012/04/12 03:49:42
    Mr. Wonderful
    People that know nothing about the legal system should not babble. It is the DA's choice to go to or not go to a Grand Jury. Most cases never do. Consider yourself more educated now.
  • XZQZQ Mr. Won... 2012/04/12 05:42:20 (edited)
    XZQZQ
    So, your life can be upended, and irrevocably changed if some DA decides to charge you for whatever, simply because he / she can ?
  • Lt. Fred XZQZQ 2012/04/12 07:11:28
    Lt. Fred
    Absolutely. If you're innocent, you'll get off.
  • Mr. Won... XZQZQ 2012/04/12 13:29:11
    Mr. Wonderful
    Actually, yes! I didn't say I agree with the "system", but hope you don't end up in the defendant's chair in some criminal court room or you might find out that's how it typically works.

    Local DA's (District Attorneys) have great power in deciding who to charge and not charge. Remember that's how the Zimmerman case began, some local DA jumping the gun in effect excusing Zimmerman by inferring the "stand your ground" law applied, when any first year law student reading the actual law would easily see it doesn't. That was confirmed by the author of said bill and he said it didn't from the start. So it seems like a classic case of some local DA screwing up or playing favors, perhaps both.

    Now people can argue till the cows come home if or not the police and DA rushed to judgement by so quickly letting Zimmerman go home and even more looney they pretending they couldn't charge Zimmerman with other crimes. This is certainly not typical.

    It was the public outcry that forced the governor's hand and caused him to use his considerable power as governor to demand the State take a second look and why he appointed a tough as nails special prosecutor.

    As expected she had nothing but nice words to say about the Sanford police and the first DA. Birds of a feather, flock together. We'll never...

    Actually, yes! I didn't say I agree with the "system", but hope you don't end up in the defendant's chair in some criminal court room or you might find out that's how it typically works.

    Local DA's (District Attorneys) have great power in deciding who to charge and not charge. Remember that's how the Zimmerman case began, some local DA jumping the gun in effect excusing Zimmerman by inferring the "stand your ground" law applied, when any first year law student reading the actual law would easily see it doesn't. That was confirmed by the author of said bill and he said it didn't from the start. So it seems like a classic case of some local DA screwing up or playing favors, perhaps both.

    Now people can argue till the cows come home if or not the police and DA rushed to judgement by so quickly letting Zimmerman go home and even more looney they pretending they couldn't charge Zimmerman with other crimes. This is certainly not typical.

    It was the public outcry that forced the governor's hand and caused him to use his considerable power as governor to demand the State take a second look and why he appointed a tough as nails special prosecutor.

    As expected she had nothing but nice words to say about the Sanford police and the first DA. Birds of a feather, flock together. We'll never know if the police and DA originally screwed up or if now claimed were working behind the scenes all kind gathering evidence to have enough to charge Zimmerman with. Sure seems like it.

    Anyhow the case is back on track and the wheels of justice have started to slowly turn as they should have in the beginning.
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  • XZQZQ JeffH.R... 2012/04/12 05:40:28
    XZQZQ
    Ya think ?
  • Millie 2012/04/11 21:27:37
  • kobidobidog 2012/04/11 20:57:11
    Sketchy
    kobidobidog
    To Know Jesus is life. I can't see Jesus arresting anyone. Therefore arresting anyone means whoever does not have life in them.
  • Tom kobidob... 2012/04/11 21:15:53
  • kobidob... Tom 2012/04/12 05:28:37
    kobidobidog
    You heard me. Jesus in humans frees humans. What do you think Jesus in a human does incarcerate whoever?
  • Tom kobidob... 2012/04/12 05:36:13
    Tom
    Yep!... I heard you, I just didn't get what Jesus has to do with somebody getting SHOT!

    What does Jesus have to do with Zimmerman being arrested?.... just wondering?
  • kobidob... Tom 2012/04/12 17:58:23
    kobidobidog
    +1
    Jesus shows mercy. Jesus is the judge. The human that is alive in his hearts of hearts needs to repent. He alone knows where he stands with God. Humans that die should not condemn, another human that dies. What do you think these verses mean? KJV, Romans 12; 17Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Proverbs 24:29 ;Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.
  • Tom kobidob... 2012/04/12 19:23:58
    Tom
    +1
    All very nice, I believe in those principles, Not because Jesus said them, but because it is the right thing to do, regardless of who said it.
  • kobidob... Tom 2012/04/12 23:01:57 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    +1
    Jesus is in you accepting truth.
  • barby k... kobidob... 2012/04/12 01:34:22 (edited)
    barby karring
    Speak clear and not in terms of two; or your made up versions of parables. It is better to knash your teeth in the light so as to see what you're biting at; than to grind them blindly in the dark and lose all of them from misguided sinking of teeth. Speak what you mean; mean what you speak clearly, thanks"
  • kobidob... barby k... 2012/04/12 05:32:50 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    Jesus is good. Is that clear? Jesus frees humans. Is that understood?Jesus needs to be in us. Do you follow? Arresting is evil. Is that simple enough? Mercy is good ,is that agreed upon?
  • barby k... kobidob... 2012/04/12 12:21:16
    barby karring
    No Satan get behind me because you have no win over me" Go Away Evil Force; you don't believe anything you're saying, so do you expect anyone else to and rightfully a big NOT" GoodBye TTYL'
  • kobidob... barby k... 2012/04/12 18:02:44
    kobidobidog
    You call mercy evil? Continue to call mercy evil, and God will call you evil.
    Jesus shows mercy. Jesus is the judge. The human that is alive in his hearts of hearts needs to repent. He alone knows where he stands with God. Humans that die should not condemn, another human that dies. What do you think these verses mean? KJV, Romans 12; 17Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Proverbs 24:29 ;Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.
  • Grammar... kobidob... 2012/04/15 15:57:24
    Grammar Freak
    So... who would Jesus have shot?
  • kobidob... Grammar... 2012/04/15 19:05:20
    kobidobidog
    No one. Jesus however shows mercy, correct? why do you think this verse is in the KJV bible?Luke 6:37:King James Bible
    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
  • Grammar... kobidob... 2012/04/15 19:17:02
  • kobidob... Grammar... 2012/05/18 17:28:06
    kobidobidog
    I see death as a sleep even as Jesus looks on death. Don't do that, and mayhem will ensue. That is the common thing humans do resulting in war. Jesus is equal. A hug gets a hug. it is an elementary simple prinsiple. Do good get good. Seek revenge, and the other is highly likely to do the same. Don't, and others will see it, and chose to be like the one who showed mercy. That is beholding Christ to be changed into his image. All bodies have a crime in them just being here. Consequence is death, Don't repent giving death, and the soul will get death. Had Jesus give us the example of giving death he would have given it to us by obliterating all that put him on the cross shining his light. He could have because he is God. He forgave the humans the pierced him. Jesus did not seek retaliation for a really good reason. Why can't humans see what he showed us? Eternity is staring you in the face in the night sky that humans never made.
  • President Camacho 2012/04/11 20:53:54
    Smart
    President Camacho
    +4
    Sit back and wait for the facts...too many people trying thiscase in the media. Oh, and investigate the bounty on zimmrrman. That is a crime.
  • Tom Preside... 2012/04/11 21:17:01
    Tom
    You care about a bounty, and not a person being killed... real smart!
  • Preside... Tom 2012/04/11 21:21:09
    President Camacho
    +3
    I care about both...rather than trying to profit from this tragedy or make more violence.
  • Tom Preside... 2012/04/12 02:44:49
    Tom
    Didn't sound like it.
  • Preside... Tom 2012/04/12 20:39:40
    President Camacho
    Do you condemn the new black panther party placing a dead or alive bounty on zimmerman?
  • Tom Preside... 2012/04/13 04:39:39
    Tom
    +1
    The NBPP is a joke, a disgrace, a bunch of hateful racist fools, an embarrassment, that should be jailed for any crimes they commit!
  • kobidob... Preside... 2012/05/18 18:26:22
    kobidobidog
    Jesus is in you being a wise peacemaker.
  • kobidob... Tom 2012/05/18 18:25:02
    kobidobidog
    Do you see Jesus in bounty hunters?
  • Lt. Fred Preside... 2012/04/11 22:46:25
    Lt. Fred
    +1
    Zimmerman clearly had a case to answer, right from when the cops arrested him. To me it seems that there's no real defence he can make, but I'm obviously not on the jury. But he absolutely did need to face trial. That's what we objected to- the police letting him go on the assumption he had done nothing wrong.

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