Special prosecutor Angela Corey has announced that she will not use a grand jury to decide whether or not indict
George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot
Trayvon Martin, ABC News reports. She says a grand jury will not be necessary in making the decision and assures the public, "The decision should not be considered a factor in the final determination of the case."
Analysts are calling Corey's decision "bold" and "shocking" because grand juries can be used as political cover in controversial cases. Prosecutors can shift the burden of the decision (in this case, whether or not to indict Zimmerman) onto the jury to avoid public scrutiny. Some suspect the reason she bypassed a grand jury in the George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin case was to block racial agendas that have developed around the case in either direction. But was it the right move?
I mean, come on... a broken nose means you think you're going to die?
What did Martin think as he was being pursued through the housing development? Was he afraid for his life?
We don't know a hell of a lot about this case.
But I think a guy with a gun is ALWAYS in the advantage & against an unarmed person, he can stop the violence without ending a life. I find the police department's snap judgement (acting as judge & jury themselves) a hindrance to the system & to justice in general.
that one who was initially the aggressor can withdraw and then the other party may or may not become the aggressor. There are extensive jury instructions in this area of the law. If Zimmerman's account and the eye witnesses who say Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and hitting him is to be considered, then Trayvon would be the aggressor and Zimmerman has the right of self defense. I think what they will end up litigating whether or not the use of deadly force was reasonable under the circumstances, i.e., was Zimmerman in fear of death or great bodily injury? This could lead to a Manslaughter conviction, depending upon how the jury decides. Barring something very spectacular I don't see how he would convicted of 2nd degree murder.
Probably the civil case would be easier since the burden of proof is simply "by a preponderance of the evidence", i.e., you only have to favor the plaintiff by 51%, whereas the criminal burden is "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certaint...
that one who was initially the aggressor can withdraw and then the other party may or may not become the aggressor. There are extensive jury instructions in this area of the law. If Zimmerman's account and the eye witnesses who say Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and hitting him is to be considered, then Trayvon would be the aggressor and Zimmerman has the right of self defense. I think what they will end up litigating whether or not the use of deadly force was reasonable under the circumstances, i.e., was Zimmerman in fear of death or great bodily injury? This could lead to a Manslaughter conviction, depending upon how the jury decides. Barring something very spectacular I don't see how he would convicted of 2nd degree murder.
Probably the civil case would be easier since the burden of proof is simply "by a preponderance of the evidence", i.e., you only have to favor the plaintiff by 51%, whereas the criminal burden is "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty". Self defense is available in the civil case also, but as I say the burden is less. The other factor is that Zimmerman probably has no money, so they may or may not bring a law suit. Most families of homicide victims don't bother unless the defendant has some ability to pay (like O.J.).
The police described blood on Zimmerman which was cleaned up by the paramedics. Also that his shirt on the back was wet and had grass stains. Supposedly he saw a Doctor the following day who reports that he does have a broken nose. Zimmerman wouldn't necessarily have Martin's blood on him. You make a lot of deductions from what you perceive the facts to be, however it is fairly easy to arrive at different conclusions and also to see the facts differently. This is something that the jury will most likely have to determine.
It isn't that I don't believe that he was clobbered, but I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about a broken nose that didn't pour blood everywhere. Why was there none on his shirt? Hit does not necessarily mean broken.
Were Martin on top of him when he shot him, Martin's blood surely would have been on him somewhere. Where are the clothes Zimmerman was wearing that night?
You see, this is the problem I believe is at the core of the situation. The police did not investigate or examine the crime scene thoroughly that night at all. I think that is a far more important issue to the general public than even the guilt/innocence of Zimmerman.
First, the investigation sounds less than ideal but not way beyond the pale either. Zimmerman was first interviewed at the scene by a Narcotics Detective. That seems a bit unusual, but perhaps he was the only one available. Someone getting to a suspect quickly is often more important than who gets there. He was arrested and taken to the station where he was interrogated for several hours. Maybe by that time someone from Homicide was there. I don't know.
Some critics point out that there was no DA at the scene. Perhaps it is typical in this part of Florida that a DA would come to the scene. Again I don't know. I worked in a very large metropolitan area and it was definitely not routine for a DA to show up at a crime scene.
I don't find it surprising that they released Zimmerman. The first eyewitness who was watching the altercation from the window of his apartment said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman and he was hitting him and Zimmerman was calling for help. He said he yelled at Zimmerman that he was calling the ...
First, the investigation sounds less than ideal but not way beyond the pale either. Zimmerman was first interviewed at the scene by a Narcotics Detective. That seems a bit unusual, but perhaps he was the only one available. Someone getting to a suspect quickly is often more important than who gets there. He was arrested and taken to the station where he was interrogated for several hours. Maybe by that time someone from Homicide was there. I don't know.
Some critics point out that there was no DA at the scene. Perhaps it is typical in this part of Florida that a DA would come to the scene. Again I don't know. I worked in a very large metropolitan area and it was definitely not routine for a DA to show up at a crime scene.
I don't find it surprising that they released Zimmerman. The first eyewitness who was watching the altercation from the window of his apartment said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman and he was hitting him and Zimmerman was calling for help. He said he yelled at Zimmerman that he was calling the police and then went to the phone and did so. He said he heard the gunshot (I don't remember if he said just before or just after he made the call). By the time he returned to the window Zimmerman was up and Martin was in the prone position. Another eyewitness from another apartment window said more or less the same thing but he didn't see it with nearly as much detail.
So from the police point of view, all the evidence dovetails with Zimmerman's story. It looks like a prima facie case of self defense. They were told by the DA that they did not have enough evidence for a filing. I would have agreed with that.
They should have kept Zimmerman's clothes. I don't know if they did or not. Some accounts say that they did. I have heard that they returned his gun to him. If that is true, I would find that very unusual.
I wouldn't expect to find Martin's blood on Zimmerman. Gunshot entrance wounds produce little or no blood. The bullet comes out very hot and sears the skin. The hot sooty gases contribute to that as well. This prevents tissue bleeding like you might get from cutting yourself with a blade which produces a lot of blood. Also since the skin is very elastic it retracts after the bullet has passed though leaving a hole that is smaller than the bullet that just entered. Blood, if any, will have to come from internal bleeding that finds it's way out of that small hole. If it happens, it doesn't happen right away. Martin was also wearing a shirt.
Regarding the broken nose issue: The nasal area has thousands of small capillaries, some of which are typically broken in the usual case of a broken nose and usually causes bleeding from the nose. Sometimes if the break is minimal the bleeding is minimal also and doesn't make it out the nostrils before it coagulates. I notice a few people on the internet are claiming that they had, or knew some who had a broken nose and it did not bleed. I don't know if they are there just of help Zimmerman or whether it's true. The first two sentences I have seen medical support for.
There are some sources that are claiming that Zimmerman did have a bloody nose. Again, I have no idea what is true.
Obviously we are not in possession of all the information. But even with calling in the FBI, a Special Prosecutor, etc., and I haven't seen anything additionally incriminating that has been uncovered.
Personally I think the filing of 2nd degree murder is politically motivated. But that's a long discussion for another time.
Take care,
As I said, I am most interested in the legitimacy of the procedures that took place within the agencies involved. To me, that is as or more interesting than the events of the night.
It will be interesting to watch as this case unfolds more & more. The media will surely lose interest more over time, however, I hope not too much. I think the issues brought up because of this case are things that our nation needs to examine generally... police procedures, elitism, racism in agencies & in laws, fairness of our laws & use of laws, the media & its role in such situations/cases, the weight of taking a life, etc. There have been a broad range of issues & I hope that they are not forgotten about when the case is over.
Thanks again. I appreciate your opinion & the time it took to give it.
I think this case will remain in the news. I would not be surprised to see it televised in the same way that the Casey Anthony case was. That would be a dream situation for the media.
All the issues that you suggest will most likely be highlighted, discussed and written about for a time. How long it will last when it's over is anyone's guess.
I will be very interested to see how the prosecution proceeds. This case is actually a nightmare for the prosecutor. If you imagine yourself to be the prosecutor and then ask what witnesses you will call, what you expect them to say and what pieces of evidence you will introduce and what you expect it to prove, it doesn't look very promising.
Take care,
Of course, I suppose those arguments could backfire because the Defense could say (basically), "Yes, that's all true. Now do you see that the Defendant must have felt he had not choice when he fired his weapon?"
It's tricky, I certainly agree.
It is hard to imagine where they can find any evidence to support the "depraved mind" requirement for 2nd degree murder.
Two things are potential game changers in my opinion. If that shreik for help cannot be analyzed as not Zimmerman's, I think he's probably home free. If the jury believes that the cry for help is Zimmerman's then the "reasonable belief that one believes they face death or great bodily injury" may very well be satisfied. The other one is the broken nose issue. If Zimmerman truly has a broken nose, that alone is probably sufficient to equal great ...
It is hard to imagine where they can find any evidence to support the "depraved mind" requirement for 2nd degree murder.
Two things are potential game changers in my opinion. If that shreik for help cannot be analyzed as not Zimmerman's, I think he's probably home free. If the jury believes that the cry for help is Zimmerman's then the "reasonable belief that one believes they face death or great bodily injury" may very well be satisfied. The other one is the broken nose issue. If Zimmerman truly has a broken nose, that alone is probably sufficient to equal great bodily injury. Then the great bodily injury fear is not just a theoretical one, since he actually suffered it. There is a lot of litigation in the criminal courts about what constitutes great bodily injury. A lot of crimes are enhanced (i.e., an additional 3 or 5 years for example) by a great bodily injury allegation. In other words the prosecutor charges someone with rape, robbery, etc. and adds a great bodily injury allegation. If the jury finds the defendant guilty they then determine whether the great bodily injury allegation is true. This has happened many many times and there are a large number of appeals based in whole or in part that the victim's injuries were not sufficient to constitute great bodily injury. Somewhere there is probably a case that said that a broken nose is sufficient. I've seen the appellate courts say that black eyes, facial lacerations etc., are sufficient. Less damage than you or I might think of as great bodily injury. So Zimmerman is likely to get a very favorable jury instruction as to what constitutes great bodily injury.
Maybe there are some additional witnesses or some other evidence, since the special prosecutor did take a week or more to decide to file. We'll see.
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