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Prosecutions for Treason Should Begin Soon

We have among us a group of people, about seven to eight percent of Americans, who are actively calling for revolution and war. For the overthrow of the Government We the People have elected. They seem to think for some reason that their rights supersede ours. They are wrong! Calling for the overthrow of one's government is defined in law as Treason, pure and simple Treason! The law makes no exception for people who wrap themselves in the flag and carry Bibles, no exception for those who claim Divine guidance, no exception for members of the press. If you seek the overthrow of the elected government, you are a traitor. You are attempting to deny the rights of the majority of American citizens who elected that government, and you should, in the words of Judge Roy Bean, be "given a fair trial and an equally fair hanging."
I don't care if you are conservative, liberal, socialist, or libertarian if you are American, they have chosen to be your enemy. It is their choice, not yours, and it is a choice that requires you to honor your duty to your country.
They have every right to promote their ideals, every right to speak to others about their grievances, but when they call for revolution or the overthrow of our government, they should expect and receive no quarter. I have worn the uniform of my country, taken an oath to it's Constitution and the government it establishes, and will defend it to my death.
For clarity's sake here are the definitions I found.
Treason
Synonyms:
1. Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government. Sedition is any act, writing, speech, etc., directed unlawfully against state authority, the government, or constitution, or calculated to bring it into contempt or to incite others to hostility, ill will or disaffection; it does not amount to treason and therefore is not a capital offense. 2. See disloyalty.
Dictionary.com Unabridged

Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trEz-&noun;
Function: noun
Etymology: Anglo-French treison crime of violence against a person to whom allegiance is owed, literally, betrayal, from Old French traïson, from traïr to betray, from Latin tradere to hand over, surrender
: the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war; specifically : the act of levying war against the United States or adhering to or giving aid and comfort to its enemies by one who owes it allegiance —trea·son·ous /-&s;/ adjective
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster

I have just had a comment deleted from a blog by a person I shall refer to only as the leach, it was the top comment when it was deleted and violated no terms of service. The author deleted every opposing comment. The blog clearly states the position of it's author that he is at war with our government, treason by both above definitions. I have had it with traitors who don't believe in elections or the freedom of those they disagree with. If you have an opposing view promote it, espouse it, ask your fellow citizens to consider it, but if you speak of war or revolution expect to be prosecuted as the treasonous son of a bitch you have chosen to be!
I think we should be starting petitions for prosecution against anyone who promotes war against the United States and turning them in to federal prosecutors. It is their sworn duty to act on such petitions, and they will do so. We should start no such petition against anyone except those who violate the law, but should resist starting them against no-one who does. I hold the freedoms of those I disagree with as sacred as I hold my own, that was the wish of our founders and is the duty of anyone who wants to call themselves a Patriot.
There is no need for us to be held hostage by a disloyal and self righteous few. We are a Nation of Laws and not of men, and it is time we demand those laws be enforced.
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  • +14 raves gopher3580 November 04, 2009 06:06:11
    gopher3580
    Tea, I have said much the same thing. These people calling for secession and/or civil war are not Patriots, they are traitors and should be prosecuted as such. If they think the legal authorities aren't watching them and what they say on SH, they are sadly mistaken. There have been arrests already made and there will be more. I hope each and every one of these nuts gets his day in court and then gets his just rewards in prison.
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  • phoenix.ovid November 09, 2009 10:14:42
    phoenix.ovid
    treason:
    2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

    sovereign:
    1 a : one possessing or held to possess sovereignty b : one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere c : an acknowledged leader

    traitor:
    2 : one who commits treason

    coup:
    chiefly Scottish : overturn, upset

    Election results, 2008:

    The selected electors from each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia voted for President and Vice President of the United States on December 15, 2008. Those votes were tallied before a joint session of Congress on January 8, 2009. Obama received 365 electoral votes, and McCain 173.

    Presidential candidate, Popular vote, Electoral Vote:

    Barack Obama Democratic 69,456,897 365

    John McCain Republican 59,934,814 173

    Ralph Nader Independent 738,475 0

    Bob Barr Libertarian
    523,686 0

    Chuck Baldwin Constitution 199,314 0

    Cynthia McKinney Green
    161,603 0

    Other
    242,539

    Total 131,257,328 538 Needed to win 270
  • +2 raves
    melly~I'm friggin' giddy. November 08, 2009 00:09:48
    melly~I'm friggin' giddy.

    Awesome.
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    PetrifiedElephantPoop November 07, 2009 15:40:51
    PetrifiedElephantPoop
    If only I had 10 socks to Rave you more!!!
  • +2 raves
    Spizzzo November 06, 2009 18:51:30 (edited)
    Spizzzo
    VERY well said! Thanks!



    Michele Bachmann, take note!
  • +5 raves
    Jay November 06, 2009 01:16:51
    Jay
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    Will November 05, 2009 16:57:35
    Will
    As a former elisted person for 24 years I too agree that we need to stop treasonous acts. I also believe i was helping to defend the constitution. This includes the freedom of speach. I cannot under any circumstances agree with that free speech which incluedes hate speech or trying to overthrow the government. I served under the presidencies from Reagan to George W. My agreement or disagreement with their ideals never lead me to the conclusion that we should unite to overthrow them. This idea has been pushed by the media. When someone decides to act on this hatred those that incited it should go on trial as well as those that acted.
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    socokid November 05, 2009 16:07:29
    socokid
    We fought and spilled much blood for the right to vote.

    It's sad to see these seditious people wanting to dismantle our free republic that we fought and paid so dearly for. The day we usurp the vote, the will of the majority for armed rebellion is the day we truly have lost all that we fought for so long ago.
  • +7 raves
    Heptarch November 05, 2009 14:52:20
    Heptarch
    Not that I disagree with the underlying argument that these people are despicable...

    But in point of fact, calling for revolution isn't treason. It's sedition. Actually ATTEMPTING revolution is treason.
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    Tea in ... Heptarch November 05, 2009 15:11:17
    Tea in the Harbor
    I've seen several blogs saying things like "We are at War' and "The Revolution has Begun," they then go on to publicly pledge to do whatever is necessary to overthrow our elected government. I believe that that IS attempting revolution. If they believe that they have started a war, there is no need to wait for the bodies to pile up before the law applies. These people are a combination of Timothy McViegh and Jim Jones, and they are telling us all the time what they intend to do.
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    Heptarch Tea in ... November 05, 2009 16:10:17 (edited)
    Heptarch
    "I believe that that IS attempting revolution."

    Not until they do more than talk. Once they act, it's treason. Right now it's just chest thumping sedition.

    That doesn't mean it isn't despicable, dangerous and un-American... just that we can't hang them for it.
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    Tea in ... Heptarch November 05, 2009 17:22:16
    Tea in the Harbor
    I take your point, but they have brandished arms at town hall meetings, they have physically assaulted people at those same meetings, they have announced that they consider themselves at war, their members have murdered doctors, they have promoted the assassination of the President, they have publicly renounced their loyalty to our elected government, and they have hung our leaders in effigy.
    There are "conspiracy to commit" laws in place for criminal activities that I believe would also apply in these cases. None of us have the authority to convict, that is the province of our judicial system, but to demand that charges be brought when we are witness's to what we believe to be a crime is within our rights. That is what I am proposing.
    Your opinion is valid, but so is mine, and I think that makes it a legitimate question for the courts to test. Any federal prosecutor would have the required standing, as they represent the federal government who would be the injured party in a case of treason.
    If an investigation were to be conducted with undercover agents I have reason to believe that these plots are much further developed than is shown in their public face and would find instances where prosecution would be appropriate. The report on right wing extremism requested by the Bush...
    I take your point, but they have brandished arms at town hall meetings, they have physically assaulted people at those same meetings, they have announced that they consider themselves at war, their members have murdered doctors, they have promoted the assassination of the President, they have publicly renounced their loyalty to our elected government, and they have hung our leaders in effigy.
    There are "conspiracy to commit" laws in place for criminal activities that I believe would also apply in these cases. None of us have the authority to convict, that is the province of our judicial system, but to demand that charges be brought when we are witness's to what we believe to be a crime is within our rights. That is what I am proposing.
    Your opinion is valid, but so is mine, and I think that makes it a legitimate question for the courts to test. Any federal prosecutor would have the required standing, as they represent the federal government who would be the injured party in a case of treason.
    If an investigation were to be conducted with undercover agents I have reason to believe that these plots are much further developed than is shown in their public face and would find instances where prosecution would be appropriate. The report on right wing extremism requested by the Bush administration and released early this year indicates the same sentiment. I also think that such a prosecution would serve to illustrate to those who think this is some kind of a game that there are consequences to their actions.
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    Heptarch Tea in ... November 05, 2009 17:37:16
    Heptarch
    All I'm saying is that the only actionable charge at this point could/would be Sedition. I'm all for charging them with it, honestly. But Treason is another kettle of fish and shouldn't be misused. Treason is grounds for capital punishment. And what separates us from the barbarians is that we only reserve that punishment for those who have committed truly heinous acts against others.

    Right now, as much as I loathe the vitriol spewed daily from the RWNJs, right now it's only empty threats. If those threats metastasize into something uglier, then, and only then, is it treason and are we justified in exacting righteous retribution.
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    Tea in ... Heptarch November 05, 2009 18:22:46
    Tea in the Harbor
    Good points, I will leave our difference of opinion where it is.
    I would disagree however, that we can be separated from other barbarians so easily. A Nation that imprisons more of it's population than any other on earth, allows corporations to engage in 45,000 human sacrifices a year, (they are to profit and not to Gods, but they are needlessly dead just the same.) constructs a fiscal monarchy wherein financial institutions are protected from their own incompetence, invades other nations without cause or evidence, and quite openly allows the bribery of elected officials simply by calling it "lobbying" can hardly be considered short of barbaric.
    We have a great deal of work to do before we can rightfully disclaim that moniker. We are welcomed in the community of westernized nations far more because of our military strength and wealth than for any altruistic commitment to the advance of enlightened civilization.
    I know that most of that is off topic and unrelated to your post, but it is something that I think we would all do well to ponder when we imagine ourselves the "leaders of the free world," we are much more it's guard dog.
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    Heptarch Tea in ... November 05, 2009 19:49:46
    Heptarch
    It is certainly true that we need to re-commit ourselves to true American ideals, not the empty shells that we've adopted over the last few decades.

    Who knows, maybe we've finally gotten past the idea that real freedom means unbridled Capitalism, which was always a ridiculous notion.
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    phoenix... Heptarch November 09, 2009 10:33:07
    phoenix.ovid
    Excellent and informative debate on both your and Tea's part. Very enlightening. Too bad everyone can't be as civil.
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    Heptarch phoenix... November 09, 2009 16:21:36
    Heptarch
    Indeed.
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    Will Heptarch November 05, 2009 16:44:52
    Will
    When the revolution you are calling on cals for the removal of the president who was democratically elected that is treason and an overthrow of the government.
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    Heptarch Will November 05, 2009 17:02:31
    Heptarch
    If they actively try to remove the President, then yes. Right now it is just empty talk.
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    Will Heptarch November 05, 2009 18:58:54
    Will
    We could go all day long with the word enciting. Does a person actually have to do it if the words encourage for it to be a crime? They walked the line very close.
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    Heptarch Will November 05, 2009 19:50:20
    Heptarch
    Inciting is not acting. At least, I don't believe it is in the eyes of the law.

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