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Proposal To Ban Circumcision: Should the proposal pass?

W_C 2008/11/20 23:46:45
Yes. Circumcision should be left up to the individual.
No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
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Many European Parliamentary parties are considering banning the circumcision on new born boys. The circumcision of girls has already been banned for many years now, but now boys may not be able to legally circumcised in certain European countries. Circumcision was originally a Jewish tradition, but many Muslim and Christians have supported the practice for many years as well. Why you ask? Because many people feel that boys or men should be able to decide for themselves whether they would like to be circumcised. The age of consent and jurisdiction over ones own body is 15 in Denmark where this proposal started.

Should the proposal to ban circumcision pass? Should circumcision be left up to the individual?
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  • kkat 2008/11/21 17:43:17
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    kkat
    +14
    I think circumcision is helpful in the prevention of infections (along with a soap bar of course) and it helps prevent penile cancer and possible cervical cancer in their partners. Its also done for religious purposes and that should be respected even if not understood.

    What I don't understand is how we can get all worked up over taking a piece of skin off of a babies penis the moment they are born, but its ok when they are coming out the birth canal to stab a pair of sissors in the back of their heads and suck their brains out before they take their first breath of air. (partial birth abortion) God help this Country. Just an opinion ... I don't need a ton of mean , sarcastic replies.

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  • Derek Loyalty... 2008/11/26 13:19:56
    Derek
    making a kid wear a seat belt or not letting them run around the house with sharp objects is totally different and you know it in THAT case your doing whats best to keep them ALIVE and safe circumcising them is cutting off a part off there body that helps protect the head of the penis in several ways plus circumcision CAN and HAS been very dangerous just cause not EVERYBODY gets there circumcision botched up doesn't mean that EVERY child won't have a good or normal circumcision i wasn't damaged but doesn't mean if i have a child and have it done that HE won't nor does it mean anybody else won't there have been ppl on here that HAS had problems and when it DID become a problem they felt the need to blame the dr and in away it IS the drs fault for messing it up but it's the PARENTS fault as well for allowing him to do it you say you STILL wouldn't call it mutilation if ppl decided to cut ONE arm off your first born child otherwise it might cause cancer would you allow them to do it then say oh i wouldn't call that mutilation i think it's best for the child? Parents should NOT make decisions based on what they THINK or FEEL is in the best interest of the child they should make decision based on what they KNOW is in the best interest of the child..... the seat belt an...'
    making a kid wear a seat belt or not letting them run around the house with sharp objects is totally different and you know it in THAT case your doing whats best to keep them ALIVE and safe circumcising them is cutting off a part off there body that helps protect the head of the penis in several ways plus circumcision CAN and HAS been very dangerous just cause not EVERYBODY gets there circumcision botched up doesn't mean that EVERY child won't have a good or normal circumcision i wasn't damaged but doesn't mean if i have a child and have it done that HE won't nor does it mean anybody else won't there have been ppl on here that HAS had problems and when it DID become a problem they felt the need to blame the dr and in away it IS the drs fault for messing it up but it's the PARENTS fault as well for allowing him to do it you say you STILL wouldn't call it mutilation if ppl decided to cut ONE arm off your first born child otherwise it might cause cancer would you allow them to do it then say oh i wouldn't call that mutilation i think it's best for the child? Parents should NOT make decisions based on what they THINK or FEEL is in the best interest of the child they should make decision based on what they KNOW is in the best interest of the child..... the seat belt and running with a sharp object comment you made is an example of KNOWING what's best for the child. IF a dr HAD botched up your sons circumcision would you sit back and say oh well that botched up circumcision was in the best interest of the child anyway??? i HIGHLY doubt you would after all with the comment you made about the sharp object and seat belts shows you DO care about your child enough to want them to stay safe
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  • Loyalty... Derek 2008/11/26 14:49:42
    Loyalty_above_all
    My examples are totally different BUT your comparison of circucision and cutting off an arm makes sense to you???? How extremely far apart is that? And again and for the last time I'm going to exlpain this to you... As a parent we try to do what is in the best interest of the child, AND as a parent you DONT always KNOW what is the best thing to do THEREFORE you have to do what you THINK or FEELS is the best. All you talk is in the "what ifs and could happens" , what if this happens or this could happen etc... doesnt really make sense and you should'nt live like, its not in your BEST INTEREST.
  • Derek Loyalty... 2008/11/26 15:51:55 (edited)
    Derek
    isn't that what everyone else is doing? including yourself?? you say it's in the best interest of the child HOW do you figure it's in the best interest of the child cause if you don't have it done what IF he gets an infection right? what IF he grows up and gives his wife/g/f an infection right? to answer your question YES it does make sense to me in fact it makes perfect sense if ppl suddenly say that the first born should have it's arm cut off cause he/she COULD develop cancer in his arm if you don't that doesn't mean you should do it then say oh well it's in the best interest of the child so he/she doesn't get cancer OR i had my arm cut off and i was just fine (or it looks great) so i think i should do it to my kid as well either way your cutting off the kids body part
  • Loyalty... Derek 2008/11/26 16:24:04
    Loyalty_above_all
    What if, What if--all youre doing is going in circles. I dont mean to get you frustrated, I really dont.

    And to clear things up...I never said we got our son circumcised because it was in his best interest--- you have been implying that--I said I do what is in the best interest of my children. And I always will.
  • Dr.Dolittle 2008/11/23 23:45:25
    Yes. Circumcision should be left up to the individual.
    Dr.Dolittle
    +1
    Unless it is part of the parents religious beliefs it should be left up to the individual.
  • Darling Biscuits 2008/11/23 22:47:44
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    Darling Biscuits
    +1
    No way! It's an integral part of a lot of religions!
  • Derek Darling... 2008/11/24 13:44:52
    Derek
    religions that don't mean jack shit to other religions I'm not jewish nor am i muslim or Islam or w/e the religions are called MY religion is christian and MY religion says that it's no longer an issue (just not in those exact words) i don't give a rats ass what the jewish religion or the muslim or any other religion say is right and what is not cause i don't follow them just like the muslims around christmas time get tired of hearing ppl saying "Merry Christmas" they don't give a rats ass about MY religion and as i said i don't give a rats ass about theres
  • Nay Derek 2008/11/24 16:35:40
    Nay
    You should re-read this and look in the mirror a bit before casting stones, my self-righteous comrade.
  • Derek Nay 2008/11/24 17:08:37
    Derek
    i'm not casting stones i don't care what jewish ppl believe they can believe whatever that want but that's what it is THERE belief NOT mine and i don't want that belief shoved down my throat to say what is right and what is wrong i have my own religion that tells me what is right and wrong i don't need some religion i don't follow to tell me otherwise
  • Darling... Derek 2008/11/25 21:27:57
    Darling Biscuits
    Take a midol and get on with your life already!

    And considering Christianity is directly linked to Judaism I would re-think that statement.
  • Derek Darling... 2008/11/26 13:28:47
    Derek
    Christianity is in someway linked to paganism too the Catholics took the birthday of a pagan witch queen (Dec 25th) to celebrate the birth of Christ in order to turn them to Christianity does that mean I should follow the pagans religion as well and worship the trees and bugs and cast spells using white magic???
  • Darling... Derek 2008/11/26 18:02:09
    Darling Biscuits
    You're a little bit of a crazypants, aren't ya?
  • Derek Darling... 2008/11/27 00:43:15
    Derek
    LOL @ crazypants what are you five? whats next? "i know you are but what am i"? lol
  • Darling... Derek 2008/11/27 19:05:14
    Darling Biscuits
    I think you need to take your medication sweetheart.
  • i812 2008/11/23 22:31:31
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    i812
    +1
    i realy do not care. but if it is to be done, i beleave it should be done when they are baby's. i know i do not want to imagine the pain as an adult. let the europissin's do as they please. the way they are, is the reason our for fathers left that part of the world.
  • Derek i812 2008/11/24 13:47:42
    Derek
    if you don't want to imagine it as an adult then WHY would u want it put on an infant baby?? that's cruel that's like saying if u were part of a gang and somebody said u have a choice i either shoot u in the head or your baby u gonna stand up say do the baby i as an adult don't want to imagine that pain?????
  • i812 Derek 2008/11/24 16:38:06
    i812
    because i had it done as a baby, and i do not remember any of it. so i would figure that the baby would not either. i know i had my leg burned as a kid and i do remember everything about it. so i do beleave there is an age where you do not feel as much pain and you will not be scard for life with the pain. but you can do as you please.
  • Derek i812 2008/11/24 17:45:28
    Derek
    i too was done as a child maybe i don't remember but MAYBE I wish i still had what was taken from me against my will cause the parents made that decision. i too had my leg burned one 4th of july we were letting off fireworks and 1 went haywire and burnt my sister and me i DO remember that now that u brought up having a leg burned before that i had totally forgotten all about it..... it didn't cause any scars or do any real damage to me later on either but does that mean that i should burn my child (if i choose to have 1) with a firework as well?
  • Nay Derek 2008/11/24 16:38:53
    Nay
    Either you aren't a parent or someone dropped you on your head as a child. What is wrong with your logic? The whole shoot-you-or-the-baby scenario is just rediculous and not even remotely relevant.. I don't know a parent alive that would not sacrifice themselves for their children. Wow. You really astonish me with your straw-grasping skills.
  • Derek Nay 2008/11/24 17:40:19
    Derek
    no i'm not a parent but i wouldn't harm my child by mutilating him either that's what i call an UNFIT parent and SOME ppl that had it done and opened there eyes to what was REALLY being done realized what a mistake it was to put there child through that kind of torture women do this for themselves NOT whats in the best interest of the child they protect other women by saying i'll have my child mutilated so your daughters won't feel pain when they do intercourse that's lame and fucked up beyond belief

    it might not be relevant but the point is WHY say you don't want to imagine that kind of pain but then put that SAME kind of pain on an infant child? the child might not remember it true but the point is there WAS pain put on the child cause of some stupid ass tradition or a "religion" that was being served more than 2000 yrs ago when later was said in the bible it's no longer an issue or cause some fucked up "study" that proved to be wrong on this issue says it's healthier or "best" for the child nobody really KNOWS whats in the best interest of the child unless it something medically wrong like how someone mentioned a bone marrow transplant and drs say either do this or let the child die... THEN it's in the best interest of the child to go ahead and do it ho...
    no i'm not a parent but i wouldn't harm my child by mutilating him either that's what i call an UNFIT parent and SOME ppl that had it done and opened there eyes to what was REALLY being done realized what a mistake it was to put there child through that kind of torture women do this for themselves NOT whats in the best interest of the child they protect other women by saying i'll have my child mutilated so your daughters won't feel pain when they do intercourse that's lame and fucked up beyond belief

    it might not be relevant but the point is WHY say you don't want to imagine that kind of pain but then put that SAME kind of pain on an infant child? the child might not remember it true but the point is there WAS pain put on the child cause of some stupid ass tradition or a "religion" that was being served more than 2000 yrs ago when later was said in the bible it's no longer an issue or cause some fucked up "study" that proved to be wrong on this issue says it's healthier or "best" for the child nobody really KNOWS whats in the best interest of the child unless it something medically wrong like how someone mentioned a bone marrow transplant and drs say either do this or let the child die... THEN it's in the best interest of the child to go ahead and do it however THIS Is not the case circumcision is done for alot of reasons... and ALL those reasons are fucked up reasons to do it
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  • Hoestine 2008/11/23 22:30:31
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    Hoestine
    +2
    Soldiers need helmuts not turtlnecks.
  • pat 2008/11/23 22:22:46
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    pat
    +2
    None of the above! Circumcision should be done "if needed". There are medical conditions that call for it, but on the whole it is an unnecessary procedure. Mothers should be taught the scrupulous cleaning of the uncircumcised penis and the boy should be taught when he is old enough to do it. KKat, you won't get any sarcasm from me because I agree with your posting.
  • KUDABUX 2008/11/23 21:50:28
    Yes. Circumcision should be left up to the individual.
    KUDABUX
    +1
    Absolutely should be banned. It is barbaric and goes back to a religion. Why is it a law to have male infants circumcised?
  • pat KUDABUX 2008/11/23 22:25:46
    pat
    THERE IS NO LAW........YOU HAVE TO SIGN A CONSENT TO HAVE IT DONE. IT IS A LONG STANDING PROCEDURE REQUESTED BY MOTHERS AND YES SOMETIMES RELIGION, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER PERSONAL ISSUE.
  • KUDABUX pat 2008/11/23 23:16:57
    KUDABUX
    Well, in NJ, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
  • Squint 2008/11/23 20:18:18
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    Squint
    +2
    I'm not going to address the medical sides of this debate, like many others here I'm not qualified to do so. I am male, I am circumcised and I'm glad. I have no sense of a loss of sensitivity - if the head of my penis was any more sensitive when hard I'd be climbing the walls. It is an easy matter of keeping clean. I think it looks a lot better, in my experience women prefer it cut. While I don't talk to a lot of men about their dicks, I don't believe I know any one who regrets having been circumcised! One Man's Opinion!
  • karunch 2008/11/23 18:50:18
    Yes. Circumcision should be left up to the individual.
    karunch
    +1
    I, personally, think circumcision is barbaric. A mother should be able to keep the penis clean until the child is old enough to be taught. I'll never forget how my baby screamed and broke out in a sweat when he was circumcized. I could hardly stand it.
  • mach 2008/11/23 18:45:58
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    mach
    +1
    I'm not jewish or european, but am absolutely thrilled that my parents chose to have circumcision done for me. From the aesthetic viewpoint, it's the best thing.
  • Derek mach 2008/11/24 13:51:14
    Derek
    it's not the best thing so u came out OK that doesn't mean everyone will and not everyone does some get botched circumcisions and have LIFE long pain from it during erections and/or intercourse

    so your parents had it done and your happy about it good for you not everyone IS happy about it just because u were FINE with it doesn't mean it's the BEST thing
  • mach Derek 2008/11/24 15:16:31
    mach
    I'm sorry, but I cannot imagine what sort of pain might result from this later in life. Am I missing something, please be more specific.
  • Derek mach 2008/11/24 16:09:43
    Derek
    some ppl that were circumcised got a botched circumcision and do experience pain
    cause the dr aparently didn't know what the fuck he was doing and took too much skin off and when they got an erection there skin was very tight and painful
    so you think THAT was the best thing??? just because you can't imagine it or it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen or it won't happen... it didn't happen to me either but i look back and think what MIGHT have happened if they did botch it up i don't look at it as it was done to me and i'm fine so i think its the best thing because it's not to me i think it was the WORST thing someone could do to me even tho i didn't have any real serious complications other than the fact that ppl that aren't are having a much better sex life than i am
  • mach Derek 2008/11/24 16:18:02
    mach
    Once again, I can only judge this from a personal side. I think my sex life was extremely satisfying, although I can't speak for others. You might consider posting a question that asks just that, and consider my answer to be a yes vote for 'trimming the skin'.
  • Tgouras 2008/11/23 18:32:54
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    Tgouras
    +5
    thgere was a rabbi and a priest, shooping for a car. they found a car theycould agree upon. the priest got out the holy water and proceeded to baptize the car. the rabbi said ehat are you doing? the priest said baptizing the car! OK, then the rabbi he pulls out a hacksaw and cuts two inchs off the tailpipe.....
  • Racefish Tgouras 2008/11/24 17:50:28
    Racefish
    Funny! :)
  • southernurse 2008/11/23 17:39:16
    Yes. Circumcision should be left up to the individual.
    southernurse
    +6
    Babies feel pain. There is no difference what age a male is when this surgical procedure is done. Babies scream. Loudly. If a male decides to get it done at an older age, they have the benefit of anaesthesia. Babies do not. That bell goes around the head and sliced around the edge like a barbaric bowl cut. It is torture. At least Jews give the baby wine (or they used to) before the surgery. My husband and I left it up to the paediatrician. She told us there was no medical reason to do it, and we were very relieved. My boy is the way God made him, and if he decides to change that later on, that's fine. He is almost 10 now, and has never had an infection or any other issue. Hygiene plays a huge part in physical health, and if children are taught at an early age to care for themselves, many health problems can be prevented. Surgically removing the hands would be the best way to prevent infection from spreading, since hands are the major culprit.. This makes NO sense does it? Being responsible for oneself and staying clean works, boys and their parents need to be educated. By the way, the same argument can be used for female circumcision, but no one even considers it. Barbaric for girls but not for boys? Aesthetics don't matter here, since when engorged, they look exactly the same.
  • Derek 2008/11/23 14:27:49
    Yes. Circumcision should be left up to the individual.
    Derek
    +1
    you know i hear alot of wacked out bullshit about how bad un circumsized is how it holds bacteria, being uncircumsized your more likely to get aids than someone who is circumsized... please that's like saying if you go out in the rain WITH an umbrella your more likely to get wet than going out without 1 or if you wear a rain coat your more likely to get wet instead of reading up bs about how bad it is to be un circumsized look up damages being circumsized does..... 1) the penis has nothing to protect the head and is no longer keeping it moisterized so the head of the penis dries out and gets squiggly lines all over it might as well say "hey look @ me i have a dried out penis but i like it atleast i aint getting protection from forskin" not to mention ppl that are uncircumsized have a better sex life than ones that are circumsized cause circumcision kills alot of the sensativity in the penis basically..... i think it's child abuse to have a baby circumsized it's like "if you touch that babies penis you'll go to jail for child molestation but if your a dr u can molest him all you want we look at it as medical" wtf is the difference? plus put a baby thro pain just so he won't remember it when he gets older?? how cruel is that then you have women...
    you know i hear alot of wacked out bullshit about how bad un circumsized is how it holds bacteria, being uncircumsized your more likely to get aids than someone who is circumsized... please that's like saying if you go out in the rain WITH an umbrella your more likely to get wet than going out without 1 or if you wear a rain coat your more likely to get wet instead of reading up bs about how bad it is to be un circumsized look up damages being circumsized does..... 1) the penis has nothing to protect the head and is no longer keeping it moisterized so the head of the penis dries out and gets squiggly lines all over it might as well say "hey look @ me i have a dried out penis but i like it atleast i aint getting protection from forskin" not to mention ppl that are uncircumsized have a better sex life than ones that are circumsized cause circumcision kills alot of the sensativity in the penis basically..... i think it's child abuse to have a baby circumsized it's like "if you touch that babies penis you'll go to jail for child molestation but if your a dr u can molest him all you want we look at it as medical" wtf is the difference? plus put a baby thro pain just so he won't remember it when he gets older?? how cruel is that then you have women hollaring ya lets do it make the boys circumsized well why not start circumsizing the girls clitoris see how she likes it THEN she can decide rather a boy should be circumsized or not
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  • Nay Derek 2008/11/24 16:45:23
    Nay
    Wow. That takes the cake. Comparing molestation to circumcision. LMAO.....
  • Derek Nay 2008/11/24 17:57:56
    Derek
    it IS molestation the dr has to touch the penis in order to hold the skin to cut it i don't care if you look at it that way or not i don't go by hear say i go by actual facts and fact is if someone touches a babies penis (other than a dr) it's called molestation and to take away some body part of a child without the childs consent (unless it's a medical problem right then and there) is also child abuse
  • Sasssy 2008/11/23 13:43:17
    No. Circumcision should be left up to the parents. Do it while their young.
    Sasssy
    +1
    Do it while they're young so it can heal properly. When they're older there is more pain and not enough time to heal. Sometimes the mind can't control an erection quick enough. Circumcision is also more sanitary. Fluids hide in the folds.
  • souther... Sasssy 2008/11/23 17:46:26
    southernurse
    +3
    With all due respect, Miss Sasssy, babies experience pain like any older person. They also get erections over which they have no control. It happens when they urinate and even just from the contact of the diaper. Imagine THAT on a fresh wound and having to douse it with urine and bowel movements. As for being sanitary, all that needs to be done is proper hygiene. I hope you learned a little here, because I am not speaking as an argumentative person, but as a nurse.

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