Prop 8 Arguments Delivered to California Supreme Court: Should old gay marriages be invalidated?

The government needs to stay out of marriage.

I think that if marriage is only a union when "under God" then what of all the marriages for non-religious folks?

Should these all be annulled since those involved do not belong to some form of christianity and sanctified by a preacher (father, padre, etc)??

All marriages performed by Elvis in Vegas, all marriages performed at a court of law--are these in jeapardy if they were never sanctified by some religion?

In our country marriage is a LEGAL union of 2 consenting adults...the legality is only confused due to the NON separation of church and state in this particular area.

It is time for America's government to allow it's citizen's their full and complete rights...without interference from the religious lobbyists.

It would be prudent to remember that "judgment is MINE sayeth the Lord". Look to the plank in your own eye before removing the splinter from another's.

No. The Consitution Should have Never been touched. This was done under scrupleless of some crooked supreme justice's and the the marriages are null and void...go get attorney..most of you will anyways at some point...if to make it legal or for disalution of partnership....it's smarter..your protecting yourselves, and its loving to assure the person you say that you love that you want everything to be for them... and you can do a prenup in me while! perfect! Civil unions have been done for many many years! The smart ones ...the loving and peaceful/ let's face it honest to God....go quietly and have everything done through there attorney. That's to grown up for most of you...I know, The agenda is scream that everyone should agree to your agenda....and the Church has a power behind it that you can never win...God. and He created Marriage for Man and Woman. It's written in His many, many times in scripture... sorry.

They at least deserve to be "grandfathered" in. It's like raising taxes and then demanding retroactive payments at the new tax rate. What a crock!

I propose prop 9:

Revoking the tax exempt status of churches which preform weddings. Since it is now apparent that Churches call the shots when it comes to weddings, they are effectively part of the government. And since there's a separation of church and state, if a government is part of the government, they are therefore not a full church, and don't deserve the rights that churches which don't preform a government duty get.

Shal,
Your post is humorous and makes a great point. Thanks for sharing your thoughts in such a form...too many are just virulent and go off on a "I want my rights, but deny yours due to my beliefs" kind of diatribe.

It's absolutely ridiculous that my gay friends can't get married like my straight friends and I. This is why I could never believe in such a hateful god. They are human just like everyone else and they shouldn't be denied equal rights because of who they are.

God is not hateful. He gave us freedom of choice.

It's a civil rights issue and eventually it will be seen as such.

For those of you who married during the brief window of sanity, please stay strong in heart.

For those of you who voted to void these marriages, do look a little deeper into your heart and a little more closely at the constitution. Equal protection doesn't mean different protection.

Prop 8... one of the most effed up things I've ever seen...
*Shakes head in shame of voters*
I have no words... it must be repealed. It WILL be repealed, and I will cry harder then when it was passed. But this time with joy.

If course they should honor thoes marriages. Personally i think that gay marriage is a beautiful thing.

It was a mistake to validate them in the first place. Our traditions do not accept this type of farce.

They would not have ever taken place ..if the gays would not have tried to be snicky with the first bill ..then they would not have had a prop8 so none of them should be legal ..it will only give them more room to keep this madness up ..they should be given civil union ..and stop messing with the bible ..the bible does not belong in court

Marriage is a legal institution and gays should have a right to marriage OR a civil union that gives them the same rights as a marriage.

How in the heck were they being snicky?

marriage is a legal form that god but togather before their was ever a institution ...the institutuion was form from the word of god ...

Marriage is a legal institution----think about it. Concerned, marriages were performed before the bible was a thought in the writers minds.

You did not address my question how gays were sneaky to get prop 8?

not it was the bill that prop 8 changed that they were snicky about ...and underminding ...the first bill should have never gotten on the books and that is what prop 8 is all about ...becaus eif they would have ask the people out right the first time ..then there would not be a prop 8 right now ..most states have voted down marriage for gays ..california is not the sirst state to do it ...most people are willing to give them civil union ...which as nothing to do with the bible ..so I really feel they should take it ...becasue if they give marriage to gays ..that will force stright people to find something else to make them a marriage ..because they still do want a stright marriage to be different from a gay marriage because everyoe should be able to look at a marriage and tell weather it is a stright marriage from the bible or a gay marriage from man

Concern, marriage for gays should have never been an issue. They should never been denied the right to live in union under the law with the same benefits as married couples.

It is not fair that prop 8 was given to the masses to vote on since the masses are guided by religious beliefs and have no place in anyone's bedroom or personal life.

"that will force stright people to find something else to make them a marriage ..because they still do want a stright marriage to be different from a gay marriage because everyoe should be able to look at a marriage and tell weather it is a stright marriage from the bible or a gay marriage from man"

I think this is crazy, why should a straight married couple care if a gay couple is also married. The bottom line is each person contribute to their marriage. How can you focus on your marriage if you are preoccupied with what someone else is doing in their marriage.

Marriage is an institution. If you are a christian and you believe god is the head of your household---then your marriage is bibically bases. If you are gay and you don't believe in the bible and married---it is not a Christian marriage.

Do you see how Christians are making this a religious issue? What is the problem? Will god be confused who is Christian and who is not because the couples are married?

they do live in a union under the same laws ..they are only tring to change the laws ..but it is alright with me ..because we will create something else for stright marriage ..and they can have marriage ..if that is what they want ...

"they do live in a union under the same laws "

They are not given the same rights as a married couple regarding their spouses. This is discrimination because they are not "normal" in the eyes of the religious zealots.

Their discrimination is equally as wrong as when Africans were enslave with no rights because those same "Christians" labeled them as property and animals.

Their discrimination is equally as wrong as when Whites could not marry blacks, and whites could not marry other ethnicity as not to taint the blood lines of angle-saxons.

It is discrimination because they are different. Homosexuality is not a choice, they are born desiring the companionship and intimate relationship with the same sex. I don't know if you have every been around a child when he/she is young, but it is obvious then they child will be gay.

but under the civil union they would be given those rights ...never compare the salvery or civil rights to this ..because most of these people have more rights then black ever had when they came to this country ..so please do not insult blacks in that way

Concern, they do not have the same rights as married couples. You can marry in any state, gays can not. Gays have to pay more for medical insurance if their employee cover domestic spouse, married couples do not. In the event of a death, family members can strip the couples partner of any rights if the couple have lived together for 20 years. Those are not equal rights.

messing with california does not get you marriage in every state ...only california ..but Obama has said that he will give them marriage rights with civil union ...so they should except that ...but no like most gays ..they need more attention then that ...they must be seen ..and keep forceing their way of life apond all of us

How are they forcing their way of life on us? Please explain.

Sorry, your comment "They need more attention" sounds like the racist rant of whites speaking of blacks and other ethnic groups.

anytime someone wants to place whom they are having sex with down front and center ..they are forcing it on us ...because when you tell everyone that you are gay ..all you are saying is whom you want to have sex with ...nothing more ...you want to have sex with the same sex you are ..that is all it is saying and we do not care whom no one wants to have sex with it should be personal

I assume that means when you see a woman and a man together they too are forcing it on us?

But you do care who they are having sex with, if you didn't it would not matter to you they let you know they are gay and not straight. I can bet money you don't flip if a couple is kissing or someone says they are straight.

That is really a weak defense they are forcing their way of life on you. Really weak!

wrong answer they are not out their protesting for the right to have sex with each other ...

They should not protest to have the right to marry or have sex with another consenting adult. Which part can you not understand?

You also did not answer my question. If you see a woman and a man together--are they too forcing themselves on us?

a woman and a man are not protesting about their sex ..only gays ..they want the world to know that they want sex with the same sex ...

Therefore, it is ok for men and women to announce to the world they enjoy sex with each other, but it is not ok for men who like having sex with men, or women who have sex with women?

If a man and women are smooching in public, it is ok---but a man and man or a woman and woman are pushing themselves on others? You have got to be kidding!

stright peopel do not tell whom they are having sex with ..only gays that is what telling everyone that you are gay is saying ..no one more thing ..just whom yu want to have sex with ...

Are you serious? If they are kissing and feeling up another person, they most certainly are making a statement who they like to have sex with.

Iam going to say this ..and then I am finsh ..if every state want to approve gay marriage it is okay with me ..butthe people should always keep in mind that the lord destroyed sodom and gomorrah ..once and said he would destroy them again ..and the united states are heading into that direction

"people should always keep in mind that the lord destroyed sodom and gomorrah ..once and said he would destroy them again ..and the united states are heading into that direction"

You did not answer my question, nevertheless being gay is not new.....there is nothing new under the sun.

for sure ..it was here durning sodom ..it was called unnatural sex ..gen 13

I think those marriages should be honored. They were married in full faith with the law. Honestly, all same sex marriages should be recognized.

Those marriages were legal at the time they took place; therefore they remain legal.

It's all going to happen and our children will think how could people have kept people from joining in love. Just like I always felt interracial marriages

ALL marriages should be honored. If marriage is a religious right, then there should be no divorce granted. There should be no tax breaks for married couples. There should be no hearing for custody or federally forced alimony. It's a human right, not a religious privilege.

And we CERTAINLY shouldn't go back and pretend like those marriages didn't happen. That's not allowed in any other circumstance, so why should it be in this particular case? If something becomes illegal you can't go back and prosecute the people that did it while it was still legal. That's not how it works.