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Prop 4 Abortion Rights: How would you vote on Proposition 4?

Mr. T 2008/10/29 20:36:48
Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
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For those unaware of what proposition 4 states, Prop 4 says that un-emancipated minors cannot get an abortion until 48 hours AFTER a physician has notified the minor's legal guardian. In simple terms... a minor can't get an abortion without notifying a parent. Prop 4 mandates reporting requirements from physicians regarding abortions done on minors.

However, Prop 4 does allow courts to waive this rule with enough convincing evidence of the minor's maturity or best interest. As well, Proposition 4 requires minor's consent to abortion (with certain exceptions).

Prop 4 is intended to protect children and lower the states costs of millions annually on social service programs.

How would you vote on Prop 4?
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  • ptete in left I trust ~ POT... 2008/10/29 20:56:37
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    ptete in left I trust ~ POTC**FUKU2**
    +8
    I think that when it comes to reproduction rights that after counseling, a minor should be allowed abortion under certain circumstances. There are parents who would force a child to go through pregnancy when it isn't in the best interest of the child, or the unborn baby. I feel that a minor who is seeking an abortion should have counseling, and access.
    I feel if you are old enough to become pregnant, that negates "un-emancipated minor". I feel that immediately should "emancipate" you - at least to determine if you want to have a baby.

    The real issue is that children, especially those of child bearing age, should be informed about birth control, in addition to abstinence. After all, we all know that abstinence doesn't work unless it's practiced, and with teens, it isn't always. They need to be aware of safe sex practices in regard to disease prevention, AS WELL AS contraception.

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  • Crazy C 2009/03/04 15:40:28
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    Crazy C
    PROP 4 is just another ultra-conservative fanatic idea...

    Reasons to be pro-choice no matter what.


    1. The government cannot be trusted to decide who should have an abortion, and under what circumstances. If you disagree with this statement, you should pay more attention to the news.

    2. Women cannot be truly free unless they are able to make their own reproductive decisions.

    3. Abusive men will often try to get their partners pregnant to keep them from ending the abusive relationship. (I have personal experience of cases where men have gone so far as to tamper with their partners’ contraceptives).

    4. If abortions are not safe and legal, many women will attempt to terminate pregnancies themselves, just like they did before safe abortions were legal, or else will be preyed upon by untrained opportunists who will take their money and hurt or kill them attempting to perform the procedure.

    5. If abortions are not safe and legal, some doctors will perform them anyway, and charge outrageous prices. Women who can afford to pay outrageous prices, or who know doctors willing to do the procedures, will still be able to have abortions. But women who are not so fortunate will not. So, criminalizing abortion is the same as government discrimination against people who earn little inco...











    PROP 4 is just another ultra-conservative fanatic idea...

    Reasons to be pro-choice no matter what.


    1. The government cannot be trusted to decide who should have an abortion, and under what circumstances. If you disagree with this statement, you should pay more attention to the news.

    2. Women cannot be truly free unless they are able to make their own reproductive decisions.

    3. Abusive men will often try to get their partners pregnant to keep them from ending the abusive relationship. (I have personal experience of cases where men have gone so far as to tamper with their partners’ contraceptives).

    4. If abortions are not safe and legal, many women will attempt to terminate pregnancies themselves, just like they did before safe abortions were legal, or else will be preyed upon by untrained opportunists who will take their money and hurt or kill them attempting to perform the procedure.

    5. If abortions are not safe and legal, some doctors will perform them anyway, and charge outrageous prices. Women who can afford to pay outrageous prices, or who know doctors willing to do the procedures, will still be able to have abortions. But women who are not so fortunate will not. So, criminalizing abortion is the same as government discrimination against people who earn little income, and against people who don’t have the right connections.

    6. Sometimes complications with pregnancy are life-threatening. If abortions are not safe and legal, pregnancy will be a death sentence for some women.

    7. The moment abortion is criminalized, the religious right will attack contraception, on the rationale that easy access to contraception encourages “promiscuity.” Contraception has only been freely available to all women since the early 1970s. Some people are already in favor of banning contraception.

    8. Nearly every anti-choice person I have ever met has been in favor of the death penalty and an aggressive military. The “culture of life” rhetoric is a sham, designed to produce arguments which are impossible to counter. It’s another version of that old trick question: “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

    9. The abortion issue isn’t really about “protecting the unborn.” If we examine the other positions that usually go along with being anti-choice, and if we talk honestly about them, we discover that criminalizing abortion is really about making it harder for women to make their own choices about when to have sex, and with whom. Criminalizing abortion is really about reversing the progress toward gender equality we’ve made over the last century. It’s about returning women to the status of second-class citizens. The real reason the religious right embraces the anti-choice stance is because they believe women should be submissive to men. But, saying that straight up would be political poison, so they talk about a “culture of life.”

    10. If abortion is criminalized, a lot of women will still seek abortions. The government will prosecute thousands of these women to show that they mean business about enforcing the law. The women prosecuted will come overwhelmingly from minority and lower income segments of the population.

    (And I haven’t even mentioned incest or rape)
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  • *SmileS* =) 2009/02/05 04:11:28
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    *SmileS* =)
    everyone deserves too live
  • Jezzy 2008/11/09 08:09:38
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    Jezzy
    +1
    Sometimes, girls will get raped, and they feel too ashamed to tell anyone. I think it should be their right to abort the baby should they become pregnant if they haven't felt comfortable coming forward about what they've been through by that point in time. Unfortunately, the "oops" cases will also get through, but I think it's worth it for rape victims to get some form of privacy until they're ready to tell of what happened to them.
  • ladypuppylove 2008/11/08 15:48:25
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    ladypuppylove
    +1
    a child shoud not be able to get an abortion without a parent say so however rape or incest should be ok if it is with parents ok
  • turkey pepperoni 2008/11/08 00:20:40 (edited)
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    turkey pepperoni
    +1
    you can't make me keep a baby in my belly, right or wrong.



    Maybe they should just have parties where their friends punch them really hard in the stomach after drinking way too much....that sounds better than having an abortion. that's the sort of thing that starts to happen when people can't get abortions.
  • ~Cant wait to be Mrs. Seay~ 2008/11/06 20:48:25
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    ~Cant wait to be Mrs. Seay~
    +2
    Abortions are wrong, It is murder. If parents would raise their children right no1 would have to even think of abortion
  • Crazy C ~Cant w... 2009/03/04 15:42:56
    Crazy C
    mmm, I think the concept of abortion it's more complicated than rasing an "A" student.

    you must live in a little bubble...
  • MaMaJ 2008/11/04 23:20:36
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    MaMaJ
    +2
    If the child is a minor both parents and child should be involved in a decision as such.
  • Em 2008/11/04 16:36:50
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    Em
    +3
    I believe the minor child should be able to make the final decision. It is her life that will be affected the most.
  • SoDa76 2008/11/04 08:49:41 (edited)
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    SoDa76
    +1
    There are far too many teen pregnancies. It's ridiculous!


    Shit I meant to put no!
  • Tristy 2008/11/03 12:34:52
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    Tristy
    +1
    parents need to know if their child is expecting, and help with all decisions. that is my baby and grandbaby, a doctor who performs an abortion on my daughter with out my consent, better pray i never get my hands on him/her. now if she's pregnant and a emergency medical issue comes up, save my daughter first, but do everything to save both before giving up on either one.
  • *~*ALYYY*~* 2008/11/02 22:42:02
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    *~*ALYYY*~*
    +1
    I know that the issue of abortion is one that will most likely never be solved. It is one issue that people will just never fully agree on weather you are for or against it. now I say no on prop 4 because I think that the child should be able to decided in some instances, There are always going to be parents that dont agree with abortion. But lets say their daughter is the one who is pregnant i dont think that girl should be forced to carry the baby for nine months and then give birth because there of her parents
  • Daisy 2008/11/01 01:51:26
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    Daisy
    +1
    If prop 4 passes, physicians will have to inform the guardians of the unemancipated teen about the scheduled abortion. If the girl doesn't want her parents to be informed, she'll have to claim her parents are abusing her, and come up with an alternative adult that the clinic can inform. She'll have to prove that she is being abused, too. And therein lies the problem.
  • Uncle Joe 2008/10/31 15:07:33
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    Uncle Joe
    +1
    When we start down the road of legislating medical procedures we realise too late that the slope is too slippery. What if anyone over the age of 80 was legislatively excluded from having a heart operation, or caterac surgery. What if every woman over the age of reproductive usefulness was required by legislation to have a hysterectomy. So, the real inquiry is thus: Why is the Republican Party strategy to patronize deeply religious consevatives with the issue that should truly be protected by patient-doctor privilege? The patient -doctor privilege & defendent-lawyer privilege are by defacto the 'law-of-the-land. Hundreds of legal decisions have upheld the sanctity of these two privileges. The most odd part of this is the Republican Platform has been to keep the government out of our private lives yet the platform advocates government intervention into our private lives and the decisions about procreation.

    Let's look at China. China advocates government intervention in decisions regarding procreation and now has a surplus of 'stronger-male-labor' without women to marry. Remember the slippery slope!!!

    If possible abstenance from sex should be encouraged by education and scientific fact.

    Abstenance does NOT mean to abstain from discussing it.
  • concerned 2008/10/31 02:30:40
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    concerned
    +2
    all minors should have parents permission
  • Daisy concerned 2008/11/02 02:56:57
    Daisy
    Even if those parents not only WONT give their permission, but beat the living daylights out of their daughter for getting pregnant in the first place? Some girls just don't know how their parents are going to react to if they find out their daughter is pregnant.
  • concerned Daisy 2008/11/11 02:59:35
    concerned
    Ther are not that many parents left like that ...
  • BenSundown 2008/10/31 00:43:49
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    BenSundown
    +3
    What good can come from this?
  • Ron 2008/10/30 22:25:31
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    Ron
    +2
    Funny how they want to allow minors to be able to get an abortion without the parent's knowing, but let that same minor get in trouble with the law and see who gets blamed for poor parenting or who gets the bill for the damage or who gets called to get the kid's butt out of trouble. But if the moronic court system in this nation wants to take care of minors then tell the idiotic judges to pony up and do it. Otherwise they should mind their own damned business.
  • Miyako 2008/10/30 21:36:31
  • Mike (the original sodahead... 2008/10/30 20:31:43
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    Mike (the original sodahead 'Mike')
    +3
    It isn't about limiting abortion rights, but making sure the parents/guardians who are legally and financially responsible for that minor are getting some say in a decision that greatly affects them.
  • Daisy Mike (t... 2008/11/02 03:07:13
    Daisy
    It doesn't affect the parents if the pregnancy is terminated safely and in a doctor's office, not in a backalley, which is where these girls will go if they know their parents are going to be informed about the abortion if they go to an actual doctor to perform it. And many of those girls will die as a result, because they're afraid of what their parents might do to them if they are told about the pregnancy.
  • Mike (t... Daisy 2008/11/03 14:27:22
    Mike (the original sodahead 'Mike')
    The parents have medical coverage and the legal liability for the welfare of the child. What's next, letting 12 year olds decide to have breast implants or gender change surgery without any parental consult because "it's their body"? Come on. There is a limit to what a minor can do without parental consent. Hell, they can't even go to an R rated movie and you want to let them have a potentially dangerous medical procedure done without any parental notification or input? Even a "safe" abortion can lead to life-long sterility or other complications. Yes, it may be rare, but a scared kid isn't always thinking about all the options and consequences. The parents are legal guardians and legally liable parties have a right to know.
  • SpamFreak 2008/10/30 20:29:51
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    SpamFreak
    +3
    The guardian must ALWAYS be notified when the child's safety at risk. They are very much the guardian's business, how can they fulfill their obligation when they don't have a say? On a side note, everybody should have to kill a baby kitten that represents their fetus before getting an abortion, just to show they know what abortion is. They're about the same size and intelligence.
  • Daisy SpamFreak 2008/11/02 03:09:17
    Daisy
    I think you're a little confused. YES on prop 4 will make it mandatory to inform the parents of a minor seeking an abortion.
  • Self - Deactivation. 2008/10/30 20:16:48
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    Self - Deactivation.
    +5
    a minor is just that, a minor. as parents we are legally and financially responsible for our minor children. parents absolutely should be notified. most minors do not know family medical history, and a stranger most certainly would not. having sex does not mean a person is mature. no parent is happy to hear that their minor child is about to be a parent, and any good parent would not force a situation on a child. this would be a family matter, the most important being the minor child. it should be discussed and worked through by the family who will be there for the aftermath of the experience
  • Daisy Self - ... 2008/11/02 03:15:32
    Daisy
    If the minor trusts her parents to be understanding about something as divisive a teen pregnancy, then she will tell them herself. It shouldn't be done by someone who knows nothing about what the parents are like, and if the girl is scared about admitting to abuse, she may not tell the doctor about it to stop them from telling.
  • LOBOW1 2008/10/30 20:12:43
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    LOBOW1
    +3
    The anti-abortion gang uses seemingly simple acts like this to build a wall. Their goal is to end all forms of abortion, and will take anything that moves their cause forward.
  • mickey 2008/10/30 19:28:42
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    mickey
    +2
    Just because girls are old enought to have sex does not mean they are old enough to make an imformed decision. To many young girls have been talked into this with not enough information givien to them. They are also scared and are not in any emotional state to make that choice without taking time to really think about it and discuss it with the people that love them the most
  • Daisy mickey 2008/11/02 03:19:30
    Daisy
    Girls are given counciling and are informed of all their options before having to decide to have an abortion or not at Planned Parenthood.
  • Camille 2008/10/30 19:13:30
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    Camille
    +2
    How would I vote on prop 4 is saying that you know there are many teens that like to have a child but, they don't really know how to what to do with them the baby because you have to buy a lot of things for that child and learn them. Its a big responsibilities for taking good care. So these teen girls think they know how to take good good care but those teen girls are just a know it all. And I wouldn't feel sorry for them smart a** teens. Except if it was a friend of mine I feel sorry for them.
  • Daisy Camille 2008/11/02 03:22:01
    Daisy
    No, they DON'T think they know how to take care of a baby. That's why some of them do get abortions, or decide to put the baby up for adoption.
  • tibetsun 2008/10/30 17:53:58
    No on Proposition 4 regarding abortion rights.
    tibetsun
    +1
    I think exactly the way Ptete stated it!
  • boneman1 2008/10/30 17:50:46
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    boneman1
    +3
    I'd support it. Abortion has been made acceptable to the point that some people use it as a method of birth control. Parents are responsible for their minor children and should have authority over any medical procedure to be performed on them. There are always going to be exceptions and those would have to be handled on an individual basis.
  • Daisy boneman1 2008/11/02 03:31:30
    Daisy
    I agree that abortion should not be used as birth control, but that is a personal opinion, one that may not be shared by everyone, and should not be enforced through law.

    I do not, however, support prop 4. Some teenagers who aren't abused by their parents, but know something bad will happen to them if their parents are informed about their pregnancy, will get backalley abortions, far more dangerous and likely to be fatal.
  • kittybaby 2008/10/30 17:32:40
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    kittybaby
    +3
    Parents are responsible for their children and should always be informed of any issue regarding their physical being.
  • *~*ALYY... kittybaby 2008/11/02 22:49:04
    *~*ALYYY*~*
    I agree that the parent should be informed about issues regarding their children.but at the same time what about all of the parents that would MAKE their teenager have the child? I personally think that the pressure and stress of carrying the child is just as great as the struggle of deciding to get an abortion.
  • Lanikai 2008/10/30 16:55:26
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    Lanikai
    +3
    My child is my legal responsibility until she is 18, and in some cases after. As long as i am legally responsible for her and her actions, she is subject to my rules and I should have say over ALL things regarding her and her body. They would not do a concer operation on her without my consent, why on earth would they do an abortion? This is so wrong on so many levels. All minors should have to have parental permission even to see a doctor.
  • MickeyRenee~ 2008/10/30 16:23:48
    Yes on Prop 4 to limit abortion rights.
    MickeyRenee~
    +2
    As a mother of a teenage daughter..I am responsible for EVERYTHING for and about her..I would hope that she would come to me anyway..but I don't really know if there is a right answer for EVERY situation...I just know that if it was one of my kids I would want to know and be involved and make sure what ever she decides to do that it's done in a safe way
  • *~*ALYY... MickeyR... 2008/11/02 22:57:38
    *~*ALYYY*~*
    You say that you dont think there is a right answer for EVERY situation.... Which i completely agree with. However, If that is the way you feel then i am confused as to why you chose yes. Not every child can talk to their parent about serious topics such as abortion. So the right thing for them would be to make that decision by themselves but with prop 4 they would not be able to have an abortion with out the parents knowledge. Now as i said you dont think there is one right answer for every situation. But with there being no prop 4 then the child who cannot talk to their parent can still do whats best for them. And the child with the good relationship with her parents that wants to share the information is more then welcome to and can make the decision that best suits her.

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