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President Obama Speaks on the Buffett Rule

Mopeder 2012/04/11 19:57:03
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President Obama explains why we need the Buffett Rule, which make our tax system more fair by ensuring that people who make more than $1 million a year pay at least the same share of their income in taxes as middle-class families.
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  • C. C. Rider 2012/04/11 20:17:38
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    C. C. Rider
    +4
    If the ole one percenters had been paying their share of taxes we would not be in this mess. Thank god for Obama.

    obama with sunglasses

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  • kmay 2012/04/14 13:39:46
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    kmay
    STOP PLAYING THE CLASS CARD.

    TORT REFORM - CLOSE THE TAX CODE LOOPHOLES FOR REAL REFORM!!
  • Dave 007 2012/04/14 12:23:17
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    Dave 007
    +1
    So why now, why not 3 years ago?
  • Andrew 2012/04/13 01:50:38
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    Andrew
    +1
    Yea why should the middle class and the poor get taxed so much when the rich don't?
  • robinswebnest 2012/04/12 16:10:18
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    robinswebnest
    +1
    The truth is, anywhere from 47 to 49% of Americans don't pay taxes....then you add the illegals into the mix. You fix that problem and you won't need to take more money from the rich to support those who don't pay taxes. obama and company will just spend more if they have more, so taxing the rich will not change anything.
  • Louis Shipman 2012/04/11 23:42:02
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    Louis Shipman
    +1
    Taxing more on investment returns will have the oppisite effect on tax revenues going to the goverment. It will mean less money in privite hands to invest but also lower job creation.
  • bob h. Louis S... 2012/04/13 03:37:31
    bob h.
    Name three jobs created by the rich in the last ten years. Pizza take-out doesn't count.
  • Louis S... bob h. 2012/04/13 23:20:12
    Louis Shipman
    It's true that few jobs have been created in the last three years unless you count goverment employee but I don't think working for the GSA counts. Obamas own accounting office admits that enacting the Buffet rule would only bring in about 5billion a year.
  • Denny 2012/04/11 23:18:15
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    Denny
    What does it do??? The money we would get would last Washington about 12 minutes. If most of the "rich" what to pay more because they feel guilty then they can always send in a check. This is nothing more than BS politics.
  • DuncanONeil 2012/04/11 22:50:23
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    DuncanONeil
    +1
    Doing so hurts all of us and as a result the economy.

    The Buffett rule is a scam!
  • mich52 2012/04/11 22:39:26 (edited)
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    mich52
    +2
    Its ridiculous that someone like Mitt pays even less the 15%.. And it has nothing to do with envy or jealousy....
  • DuncanO... mich52 2012/04/11 22:52:14
    DuncanONeil
    And you know this how?
  • Mellow DuncanO... 2012/04/11 23:20:11
    Mellow
    +1
    Surely you must not watch the news... or even know how to Google.
    All you do, is go to your favorite search engine, (mine is google) and type in "What does Mitt Romney pay in taxes?" And you get get a plethora of information. Here is just one example:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...
  • mich52 Mellow 2012/04/12 01:01:01
    mich52
    +1
    Thank you..

    That was real tough to find wasn't it? lol
  • Mellow mich52 2012/04/13 04:46:15
    Mellow
    +1
    Yes, I was up all night getting 'the facts'. lol =)
  • DuncanO... Mellow 2012/04/14 15:17:38
    DuncanONeil
    "How many times should your money be taxed? One time? Two times? Three times? Four? Sounds like a ridiculous proposition, but that’s the true story of capital gains taxes in America, and it’s one that’s not being told in the continuing debate over Governor Mitt Romney’s taxes.
    Why do dividends face lower rates than wages or interest income? Because dividends have already faced one full level of tax at the corporate level.
    Americans making money from investments also typically pay a capital gains tax at the same lower rate as for dividends. Income and capital gains are very different. Income is what is generated from using resources, as wage income is generated by providing labor services, whereas a capital gain results from an increase in an asset price. Capital gains face a lower rate to reduce the tax barrier to investing, especially in high-risk, high-return, job-creating, business-growing investments.
    So right off the bat, Romney is paying what is legally required of him — and even when compared to the average federal income tax burden in America of 9.3 percent, he’s paying more.
    Norman B. Ture Senior Fellow in the Economics of Fiscal Policy at The Heritage Foundation, explains that Romney’s money has likely gone through four levels of taxation, meaning that the level of taxat...

    "How many times should your money be taxed? One time? Two times? Three times? Four? Sounds like a ridiculous proposition, but that’s the true story of capital gains taxes in America, and it’s one that’s not being told in the continuing debate over Governor Mitt Romney’s taxes.
    Why do dividends face lower rates than wages or interest income? Because dividends have already faced one full level of tax at the corporate level.
    Americans making money from investments also typically pay a capital gains tax at the same lower rate as for dividends. Income and capital gains are very different. Income is what is generated from using resources, as wage income is generated by providing labor services, whereas a capital gain results from an increase in an asset price. Capital gains face a lower rate to reduce the tax barrier to investing, especially in high-risk, high-return, job-creating, business-growing investments.
    So right off the bat, Romney is paying what is legally required of him — and even when compared to the average federal income tax burden in America of 9.3 percent, he’s paying more.
    Norman B. Ture Senior Fellow in the Economics of Fiscal Policy at The Heritage Foundation, explains that Romney’s money has likely gone through four levels of taxation, meaning that the level of taxation was at 50 percent and likely much higher:
    At the very least, he paid nearly 45 percent, but a chunk of this tax was collected before he even saw the remainder. Income from capital gains and dividends means the income was first earned by businesses, most likely corporations which paid tax at 35 percent. So Romney paid his 15 percent only after the government had taken its 35 percent cut. That leaves Romney with a combined tax of 45 cents on the dollar of corporate earnings."
    http://www.askheritage.org/wh...
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  • DuncanO... Mellow 2012/04/14 15:55:15 (edited)
    DuncanONeil
    "Romney's tax information -- covering more than 500 pages
    Mitt Romney released his 2010 tax returns and an estimate for 2011 showing he is likely to pay $6.2 million on income of $42.5 million over the two-year period."
    http://content.usatoday.com/c...
    This kind of income places him in the top 0.1%, which is about 8% of total income. But the tax paid is about 17% of the total tax. Twice the share of tax compared to income. But why does the tax return cover 500 pages! Hell my own return when I owned a three flat and was a member of the Reserves was a good 1/4 to 1/2 inch in height.
    Those in the top 50%, discounting those above the 50th percentile have some 20% of the income and pay some 10% of the tax. Their share of the tax is half their share of the income.

    Seems to me that this constant clarion call for the wealthy to pay more in taxes is either; jealousy, fear, or hate. Why else penalize the successful & those that enable business.
  • Mellow DuncanO... 2012/04/15 00:22:45
    Mellow
    When one makes more money than knows what to do with it, that takes money out of circulation, and into savings, or investments to help keep that money (and in most cases, gain more). I think what you're not comprehending is the fact that there is a wealth gap in this country, and it has nothing to do with jealousy, fear, or hate, but it has all to do with inequality. Like I said before, when one is that rich, they end up finding loopholes to pay less taxes, keep more money, and bank in other countries. How is that creating jobs and/or helping the economy? It isn't.
  • DuncanO... Mellow 2012/04/15 02:24:08
    DuncanONeil
    No one other than Scrooge McDuck makes more money than they know what to do with!
    Money that goes into savings or investments is not OUT of circulation.
    Only inequality? No it is one of the other three. But not from any individual thinking so, but because of then imprecations of the administration & the accomplice media.
    Finding loopholes? Everything on IRS schedule A is a loophole!
    "keep more money, and bank in other countries" is done because of the confiscatory activities of Congress, taxing money two, three, or even four times.
    Want that money to come home and spur the economy? Support the FairTax and get your Congress critter behind it as well.
  • Mellow DuncanO... 2012/04/15 23:25:44
    Mellow
    You just contradicted yourself. Saying that money put into savings, or investments and put into other countries doesn't go out of circulation. But in fact, it does by "the confiscatory activities of Congress, taxing money two, three, or even four times."
  • DuncanO... Mellow 2012/04/16 00:24:55
    DuncanONeil
    Money put into savings or investments are monies used to lend or expand business.
    The multiple taxation of monies occurs when income is taxed by the first earner as income, then when received as dividends as an example.
    These two are not the same thing.
  • bob h. mich52 2012/04/16 15:22:39
    bob h.
    And that's 15% on money that was found. Money buried in the Cayman's or his flake religion apparently doesn't count. When the British get done investigating their off shore banks, it'll be a different story. Romney's starting to circle the drain.
  • dheydrick 2012/04/11 22:31:33
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    dheydrick
    +1
    The 'rich' are already paying the majority of taxes in this country and half the workforce doesn't pay any taxes at all. First of all, everyone should pay something, even if it's just $5 or $10. Second of all, if Warren Buffett wants to give more money to the federal government, let him pay it. Knock yourself out Mr. Buffett. There doesn't have to be a tax increase for any billionaire to voluntarily give more money to the federal government. And lastly, is Barack Hussein Obama living in a bizarro world? It makes zero economic sense to take more money out of the pockets of the individuals that are stimulating the private sector by both spending money and creating jobs. It doesn't matter if you're a democrat, republican, liberal, or conservative to be able to understand that truth.
  • VoteOut 2012/04/11 22:02:22
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    VoteOut
    +1
    How about those in the middle class that don't pay any federal income tax how is the rich person going to pay any tax if its a from equal share. Besides what is taking more earnings from those with higher incomes gonna do? Allow four more Solyndras
  • mac9 2012/04/11 21:57:43
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    mac9
    +1
    No one can afford higher taxes. He talks about paying a fair share .....how about collecting taxes from the 48% of people who don't pay any taxes and then get returns compliments of the rest of us.
  • A.Oscar 2012/04/11 21:10:34
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    A.Oscar
    +1
    The taxes not been fare to majority of citizens: should be a referendum to this article
  • DuncanO... A.Oscar 2012/04/11 22:53:18
    DuncanONeil
    First why are you concerned with our taxes? Second what would you consider fair?
  • ed 2012/04/11 21:08:15
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    ed
    This is a poor question with a poor choice of answers. No we shouldn't raise taxes on anyone. Income taxes should be abolished altogether. Now, Obama needs to shut the hell up when it comes to paying the 'fair share'. Because the last few years, our dear sultan, Obama, paid less of a percentage of his money in taxes than I did. Now I don't think its fair that a president can go and make millions of dollars (That's a 7 figure income), some of it on the tax payers dime, and then pay his taxes, and end up paying a smaller share than me, someone who makes a 5 figure income. Go ahead and repeat that as if it was Obama saying it, throw in a number of "Uhs" and "Uhms" after every few words, and speak in a tone that makes other feel below you, and makes you feel like you're floating above the clouds and above the fray. So this guy has no room to talk about paying a 'fair share' because he certainly made sure he paid as little as he could. And on top of that he has no room to say that he thinks that you can make enough money, because he made more than that. Here's an idea, how about we lower the tax rates so that everyone is paying what these 'rich' people pay. Hell, I would have like to only pay what Obama paid, I would have been saving myself some money. God I dislike this self prete...
    This is a poor question with a poor choice of answers. No we shouldn't raise taxes on anyone. Income taxes should be abolished altogether. Now, Obama needs to shut the hell up when it comes to paying the 'fair share'. Because the last few years, our dear sultan, Obama, paid less of a percentage of his money in taxes than I did. Now I don't think its fair that a president can go and make millions of dollars (That's a 7 figure income), some of it on the tax payers dime, and then pay his taxes, and end up paying a smaller share than me, someone who makes a 5 figure income. Go ahead and repeat that as if it was Obama saying it, throw in a number of "Uhs" and "Uhms" after every few words, and speak in a tone that makes other feel below you, and makes you feel like you're floating above the clouds and above the fray. So this guy has no room to talk about paying a 'fair share' because he certainly made sure he paid as little as he could. And on top of that he has no room to say that he thinks that you can make enough money, because he made more than that. Here's an idea, how about we lower the tax rates so that everyone is paying what these 'rich' people pay. Hell, I would have like to only pay what Obama paid, I would have been saving myself some money. God I dislike this self pretentious ass hat. He reminds me of Woodrow Wilson (pretentious holier than thou attitude) and a Micheal Moore (lying, manipulating, talks down to people, acts above you) mixed together to form a terrible Liberal Propaganda machine. Have you ever had a teacher or someone who, by title alone, is a superior of yours and they think they are better than you so they talk to you like you are a child and too young and you just don't understand anything?
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  • bob h. ed 2012/04/16 16:41:38
    bob h.
    You remember Wilson in 1921? I much prefer Obama's pauses to Bushes drooling, staggering, and puking all over diplomats. The Beat part of Bush is those 500 days when he drank at home.
  • goinpostal 2012/04/11 20:54:29
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    goinpostal
    +1
    They should pay the same% as i do
  • DuncanO... goinpostal 2012/04/11 22:54:06
    DuncanONeil
    Ok, then! What % do YOU pay?
  • goinpostal DuncanO... 2012/04/12 19:45:34
    goinpostal
    one none of your buisness but over 25%
  • Kane Fernau 2012/04/11 20:26:26
    The rich can't afford to pay more
    Kane Fernau
    +1
    Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway still owes taxes from 2000.
  • Keeping It Real 2012/04/11 20:23:43
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    Keeping It Real
  • C. C. Rider 2012/04/11 20:17:38
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    C. C. Rider
    +4
    If the ole one percenters had been paying their share of taxes we would not be in this mess. Thank god for Obama.

    obama with sunglasses
  • ed C. C. R... 2012/04/11 21:12:36
    ed
    +2
    Did you know Obama is a '1 percenter'? And did you know that he paid less in taxes than I did? (While making almost 23 times more annually than I did) Yeah, thank God for obama.
  • C. C. R... ed 2012/04/11 23:06:14 (edited)
    C. C. Rider
    Looks like he paid his share then.
  • ed C. C. R... 2012/04/12 16:09:42
    ed
    +1
    Oh, so we agree then. The rich are paying enough in taxes already and nothing should change for them. The only change should be reducing the rest of our taxes so that we pay the same percentage as they do, or preferably eliminating all income taxes. Sounds great!
  • DuncanO... C. C. R... 2012/04/11 23:18:26 (edited)
    DuncanONeil
    Top 1 %
    16.93% Income Share
    36.73% Tax Share
    Top 5 %
    31.72% Income Share
    58.66% Tax Share
    Top 10 %
    43.19% Income Share
    70.47% Tax Share
    Top 25 %
    65.81% Income Share
    87.30% Tax Share
    Top 50 %
    86.52% Income Share
    97.75% Tax Share

    Want to tell me again how the "rich" are not paying enough?
  • C. C. R... DuncanO... 2012/04/11 23:34:02
    C. C. Rider
    If they were, and they are not, we would not be in the trouble we are in now.
  • Nawjoo 2012/04/11 20:13:34
    Taxes should be raised on the rich
    Nawjoo
    +3
    I agree on making sure that they pay their fair share. These loopholes need to go.

    We need to make our progressive tax system... ACTUALLY progressive instead of creating ways for the rich to dock taxes.

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