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President Obama: Socialist or Fascist?


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Economist
Thomas Sowell is one of the most clear-thinking conservatives on the
scene today. As such he often sees things others of us do not, and he
has done it again. In a recent column for Townhall, Sowell questions
the practice of calling President Obama a socialist. Sowell is not
defending the president. Rather, he is making the point that
conservatives—myself included–have been using the wrong term to describe
Barack Obama. According to Sowell, President Obama is not a socialist,
he is a fascist—an important distinction. I, for one, am willing to
accept Sowell’s gentle slap on the wrist and admit that he is right.


Allow Dr. Sowell to explain the distinction in his own words: “It
bothers me a little when conservatives call Barack Obama a ‘socialist.’
He certainly is an enemy of the free market, and wants politicians and
bureaucrats to make the fundamental decisions about the economy. But
that does not mean that he wants government ownership of the means of
production, which has long been a standard definition of socialism.
What President Obama has been pushing for…is more insidious: government
control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That
way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead
to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the
private sector.”


If the issue in question happened to be baseball rather than
economics, we would say that President Obama wants to control the rules
of the game, not own the team. Then, when his rules make it impossible
for a given team to win, he can blame the team, not the rules. This, of
course, is fascism and I should have seen it a long time ago. But
then, when it comes to political commentary, Thomas Sowell is the master
craftsman and I am the budding apprentice.


In retrospect, fascism is a much “wiser” economic philosophy for
President Obama to adopt than socialism—at least in the scheming
nefarious sense—because it is ideally suited to accommodate his
propensity for deflecting blame. Having run out the string on blaming
President Bush for the continuing failures of his administration, Barack
Obama needs another approach, an approach that allows him to blame
others for his failures without the restrictions of time, logic, or
common sense. In fascism, he has found that approach.


Sowell uses the example of insurance companies to demonstrate how
controlling the economy while leaving company ownership in private hands
suits President Obama perfectly: “…the Obama administration can
arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their
customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates
favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other
government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is
something that can be blamed on the ‘greed’ of the insurance companies.”


In this example of government tampering with insurance policies,
President Obama can falsely portray himself as a kindly father figure
trying to help struggling Americans get by when, in reality, he knew all
along that premiums would have to rise to accommodate the extended
coverage. The president’s perfidy notwithstanding, nothing in life is
free. Additional insurance coverage costs additional money in the same
way that buying additional gasoline costs additional money.


I will give the last word in this discussion to the estimable Dr.
Sowell: “Back in the 1920s…when fascism was a new political movement, it
was widely—and correctly—regarded as being on the political left.
Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in
Europe and America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist
ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. DuBois, as a man
of the left.”

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  • Red 2012/07/15 04:27:13
  • Tarheel 2012/07/12 20:40:19
    Undecided
    Tarheel
    +1
    How about neither. I am tired people throwing out those terms without thinking of the history behind them. It's wrong and obnoxious.
  • Obama Failed Soda Head Chie... 2012/07/11 18:08:40
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  • Bob S 2012/07/11 16:51:42
    Undecided
    Bob S
    +1
    Actually he is both. Is that at all possible.
  • DemonChild 2012/07/11 15:07:23
    Socialist
    DemonChild
    +2
    He will become facist.
  • Dolly 2012/07/11 14:55:39
    Undecided
    Dolly
  • Saye Saye 2012/07/10 18:47:23
    Undecided
    Saye Saye
    +1
    How about a non policitical, non business savy dip
  • Bob S Saye Saye 2012/07/11 16:52:39
    Bob S
    +1
    Drip...
  • L K 2012/07/09 03:38:14
    Undecided
    L K
    +1
    Neither.
  • jgh57 2012/07/09 02:58:11
    Undecided
    jgh57
    +1
    I'm totally decided. He is neither.
  • John Hall 2012/07/08 21:29:30
    Undecided
    John Hall
    +1
    He's a a$$hole .
  • frank 2012/07/08 19:21:22
    Undecided
    frank
    +2
    Where is the "all of the above" answer?
  • relic 2012/07/08 18:49:05
    Facist
    relic
    +2
    Isn't there something worse that better describes Oslime? Something like the AntiChrist?
  • les_gvt 2012/07/08 18:11:13
    Facist
    les_gvt
    +1
    really more like- ALL OUT MARXIST
  • Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA 2012/07/08 16:58:42
    Facist
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    +1
    He is a Socialist if he does his tyrany in house. He is a Facist if he outsources it. He has outsourced a bunch so I say he is a Facist.
  • Vision of Verve 2012/07/08 16:35:35
  • Patriot Unit 2012/07/08 16:34:53
  • Arizona1950 2012/07/08 15:03:41 (edited)
    Facist
    Arizona1950
    +1
    So first of all, what is fascism? Even fascist leaders themselves have to some degree acknowledged that the definition of fascism is hard to define in an entirely accurate manner, and likewise there have been differences in fascist states methods of leadership [eg Mussolini compared to Hitler]. Whatever the minor differences in fascist ideology are, the key elements are ultimately: Authoritarianism, nationalism, and statism. Contrary to this, the key elements of socialism are: Abolition of bourgeois private property, workers power, and unity [though others certainly exist in both]. Within communist society, abolition of the state and equality become the main elements as well.

    Fascism asserts that the state is able to transcend social conflict, uniting social classes.

    However, this is perhaps the most obvious difference between fascism and socialism. Anybody who has genuinely studied socialism understands that to the socialist, the state is merely an instrument of oppression to serve for the minority.

    According to Tony Clark:

    “When classes are formed, when exploiters and exploited become a feature of society, when one part of society lives by exploiting, robbing and cheating another part of society, they cannot do so without force, that is, a means of coercion.

    In a society founded...



    So first of all, what is fascism? Even fascist leaders themselves have to some degree acknowledged that the definition of fascism is hard to define in an entirely accurate manner, and likewise there have been differences in fascist states methods of leadership [eg Mussolini compared to Hitler]. Whatever the minor differences in fascist ideology are, the key elements are ultimately: Authoritarianism, nationalism, and statism. Contrary to this, the key elements of socialism are: Abolition of bourgeois private property, workers power, and unity [though others certainly exist in both]. Within communist society, abolition of the state and equality become the main elements as well.

    Fascism asserts that the state is able to transcend social conflict, uniting social classes.

    However, this is perhaps the most obvious difference between fascism and socialism. Anybody who has genuinely studied socialism understands that to the socialist, the state is merely an instrument of oppression to serve for the minority.

    According to Tony Clark:

    “When classes are formed, when exploiters and exploited become a feature of society, when one part of society lives by exploiting, robbing and cheating another part of society, they cannot do so without force, that is, a means of coercion.

    In a society founded on exploitation and robbery, that is to say class society, the state emerges out of the contradiction between the robbers and the working people. Thus the exploiters use the state to keep themselves in power. The role of the state in this case is to suppress, curb the resistance of the working people to exploitation which they face daily. The state, therefore, is a machine for the domination of one class by another class.

    In a society divided into exploiters and exploited, into robbers and their victims, i.e., the working people, the state serves the interests of those who live by exploiting the working people.

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  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/08 13:59:22
    Facist
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    A Fascist is merely a Socialist who believes in using the military to force compliance. and carry out assorted Murders
  • Ken 2012/07/08 13:40:20
    Facist
    Ken
    +2
    Obama's lust for absolute power leads me to believe he is more of a fascist. His continuous attacks on individual liberties are alarming.
  • Tasine 2012/07/08 13:30:13
    Facist
    Tasine
    +2
    Actually I see no value in differentiating between the two since both have the same results - tyrannical and dictatorial government, redistribution of income/assets, and they ALWAYS FAIL. So what difference do definitions truly make. Personally I prefer to just use the term "dictatorial tyranny".
  • CrazyDeen0 2012/07/08 12:26:44 (edited)
    Undecided
    CrazyDeen0
    +3
    Both!! His predecessor Bush was a Fascist, Obama is both. Or at least that under their watch the events of a fascist/ socialist state have unfolded. In essence, we are really an Oligarchy
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/07/08 12:12:15
    Undecided
    Teri- Oregon
    +4
    I don't know for sure, maybe even a Marxist.
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/08 11:57:34
    Socialist
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +4
    I can see calling him a fascist if his immediate economic program resembles that of Mussolini. ("You have two cows. The government takes both and SELLS you the milk.")

    But it's all socialism. I see no inherent difference. I see a continuum of government involvement, with communism at one end, capitalism in the other, and socialism covering every state in-between.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/08 10:02:07
    Undecided
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    HOW ABOUT NEITHER?

    Get a CLUE, people.
  • Bob S Lady Wh... 2012/07/11 16:54:36
    Bob S
    +1
    Where are the clues hidden. The same place that in his eyes UNEMPLOYMENT is on the right track and getting better. By the way where have they hidden all of our money and nothing to show in the way of accomplishment.
  • Playerazzi 2012/07/08 08:50:15
    Undecided
    Playerazzi
    +1
    Oy, what a stupid question.

    He's neither.

    Kind of a dumb Democrat.

    But he's learning. And THAT's the scary part.
  • mwg0735 2012/07/08 07:03:49
  • Roblem BN-0 2012/07/08 06:58:04 (edited)
    Undecided
    Roblem BN-0
    +2
    Actually I am quite decided. Neither. This is the guy who kept on going back to the table time and time only to be shunned by the opposing party.

    It is interesting to me how the players behind the scenes (you know the ones who have the money and truly run the show) have manipulated so many into believing that pointing fingers at the politicians will accomplish anything. And, like Romney would be better. Now that is laughable.

    It isn't Obama... it is the corporate oligarchy at work. This is the system that destroys the many for the greed of a few.

    How sad so many can't/won't/don't want to see it.
  • Lady Wh... Roblem ... 2012/07/08 10:02:51
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    A big BRAVO for you!
  • Tasine Lady Wh... 2012/07/08 13:37:35
  • Tasine Roblem ... 2012/07/08 13:37:24
    Tasine
    +3
    Exactly what do you think socialism and fascism and Marxism do? What do you call what our government does? EVERY government there is or has been becomes a few dictating to the many. The secret is for the people to STOP it. Corporations have no power over you, and they would have no power over the government IF THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T OPEN THE GATE - AND IT IS THE GOVERNMENT WHO IS BEHOLDEN TO US. ERGO IT IS A DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENT MAKING ALL THE WRONG CHOICES FOR THE USE OF OUR MONEY.
  • Roblem ... Tasine 2012/07/08 15:15:43
    Roblem BN-0
    "Corporations have no power over you. "

    In a sense you are correct. Buy they do have power if a person engages in society. They control energy, fuel, food, wars, etc. The people who run them control everything... and they work in and out of the Government.

    Who do you know that is running for office?
  • Tasine Roblem ... 2012/07/08 18:45:22
    Tasine
    +2
    Personally? Only one running for County Commissioner.
  • Roblem ... Tasine 2012/07/08 19:46:04
    Roblem BN-0
    And... do you know if that person has integrity or not? Does that person stand for everything you think government should be?

    My point is that it takes a certain kind of person to even want to get into politics. And, these days it takes a LOT of money. :-(
  • Tasine Roblem ... 2012/07/08 22:24:30
    Tasine
    +2
    Actually I DO know that person has integrity and is honest. He has actively led a local group in understanding what is going on within our own community as well as statewide. I know his wife and some of his friends. He knows of my volunteer work and mentions it from time to time. He is in contact with our state senator whom I know, tho less well than the commissioner candidate, and who believes almost exactly as I do. I love having her represent me, and I will love having Barry as a county commissioner. Sometimes things work out well. No doubt half of Congress in DC would be much more honest and less corrupt were they not involved in an already corrupted government that has lost its way.
  • Roblem ... Tasine 2012/07/08 22:30:15
    Roblem BN-0
    And that is exactly what is needed. More involvement.

    It takes so much money that people have to make promises to get it. And, along the way many who had good intentions had to make poor compromises. It is so rare to find a politician who cares more about representing their constituents rather than their own self interests.
  • Tasine Roblem ... 2012/07/08 22:50:02
    Tasine
    +1
    Years ago I moved to my old, small hometown. It was falling down. Water lines were broken almost as often as they were fixed. I went to City Council meetings, encouraged others to go, and we challenged the PTB at the council level. I then formed a group to stage a day of "Celebration" just to give the citizens something to do. City Council advised against it, laughed at me, made fun of us. We charged ahead as planned. The town had never had a dance - we held a street dance. City fathers moaned they didn't have the law enforcement people to cover the festivities - I managed to get half the county's sheriff's deputies to patrol for us. That day and evening were a huge success, and the tradition is still done annually.

    After that, I ran for mayor, my opponent being a long term council member. I didn't make a poster, didn't buy an ad, but did ONE time talk with the members of a black church when they invited me. I told them I would promise them NOTHING except HONESTY. I won the election. With help of others, I put in new water lines. I say all of this to tell you this: I KNOW what is involved, and it isn't money. It's the truth factor. It's the honesty factor. But that can never get one into office if the voters are stupid, or if they have one little niggling thing on which they place their votes. Ill prepared voters do as much damage as do ill prepared candidates.
  • Roblem ... Tasine 2012/07/09 01:27:47
    Roblem BN-0
    Thanks for sharing that.

    "Ill prepared voters do as much damage as do ill prepared candidates." I can partly agree with that. Some politicians can do a lot of damage.

    I can relate. I moved here from the city... the entire county has 25K people and the town I moved to had 2500 people. I say had because in the past 11 years that population has dwindled significantly... to 1200. The local hospital closed a few years ago. And recently they almost closed the high school but a lot of people worked hard to stop that.

    About 10 years ago I got involved with a local board of directors for the Recreation District (elected officials) because they had received a grant to build a local rec center. When I went to the first meeting there were a lot of angry people because the entities that were trying to make the project happen were tying their own hands. There were two different boards of directors and one construction committee, and a paid project director. Not one builder was on any of the committees/boards. So I thought I would help out. The project director was only around for the first 18 months. So, guess what position I mistakenly volunteered for? LOL. I volunteered numerous hours for the first 5 years. I learned pretty fast why it takes so long to get anything done with committees and b...
    Thanks for sharing that.

    "Ill prepared voters do as much damage as do ill prepared candidates." I can partly agree with that. Some politicians can do a lot of damage.

    I can relate. I moved here from the city... the entire county has 25K people and the town I moved to had 2500 people. I say had because in the past 11 years that population has dwindled significantly... to 1200. The local hospital closed a few years ago. And recently they almost closed the high school but a lot of people worked hard to stop that.

    About 10 years ago I got involved with a local board of directors for the Recreation District (elected officials) because they had received a grant to build a local rec center. When I went to the first meeting there were a lot of angry people because the entities that were trying to make the project happen were tying their own hands. There were two different boards of directors and one construction committee, and a paid project director. Not one builder was on any of the committees/boards. So I thought I would help out. The project director was only around for the first 18 months. So, guess what position I mistakenly volunteered for? LOL. I volunteered numerous hours for the first 5 years. I learned pretty fast why it takes so long to get anything done with committees and boards. I can't even imagine congressional sessions. Our community is known for splintered factions. It took 7 years to complete that project... for numerous reasons I won't get into now.
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  • Tasine Roblem ... 2012/07/09 02:22:46
    Tasine
    +2
    Basically I believe government entities do as much as is possible to prevent us from doing much of anything. I will say, however, that when I was mayor in my little Texas town, I had to have some dealings with state bureaucracies. We were in violation with the water board because our dam was damaged and we hadn't the money to fix it right away - (small towns can't print money to spend as you know), and borrowing capability is low. I met with the state water board, and the town's lawyer had advised me to take a lawyer, a "specialist" with me. I said "no". I met with that room full of men, some of them engineers. I told them my problem, and they very graciously helped me out, provided me with a grace period. Gave me advice on the water levels, etc, and offered to come look at the dam. I invited them down, and they came to inspect it. I never got excited or angry and they were as sweet as could be. We received no fines, no sanctions, etc. All I got was gracious treatment.

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