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Paul Sakuma/AP Photo Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush. “I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration,” the president said. “When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it. We assigned a inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued, confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this, that he took prompt action and the people who did…


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  • none 2012/09/21 19:21:28
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    none
    +10
    The Bush administration had a plan called "Wide Receiver" the guns were marked with tracking devices and the Mexican govt, knew about it. There were problems with the tracking and the plan was scrapped. Obama's plan had no tracking devices and the Mexican govt. knew NOTHING about it. Obama is a God Damn LIAR, "Fast and Furious" is his plan and no one else. All he's doing is trying to cover his useless ass and blame Bush as usual, it's all he's got when he can't play the race card.

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  • Job 2012/09/24 01:07:01
    Agree
    Job
    The way I heard it, 'Fast and Furious' was started with the Bush Administration. The only difference is they had very tight control and tracking of where these weapons were going.
    With the O'bummer administration, there was no control, the weapons were handed out at random and nobody new where they went.
  • OneOfTheAmericanPeople 2012/09/23 07:23:09
    Disagree
    OneOfTheAmericanPeople
    He is a DAMN Liar
  • thefatguy 2012/09/22 22:10:27
    Disagree
    thefatguy
    +1
    Obama Lied, Agent Brian Terry Died.
  • redhorse29 2012/09/22 06:03:56
    Disagree
    redhorse29
    +1
    Regardless. Talk or proposals with no action are just ideas without implementation apporval. Only under this administration were the plans and activities and crimes committed. Sorry. The caper took place during the last few years. Obama's administration owns the problems and loss of life and property that has occurred.
  • Ambassador II 2012/09/22 04:26:30
    Agree
    Ambassador II
    It is widely known and GWB has said so many times over. Get over it, it was a program that didn't turn out so well, although we could probably claim that several hundred Mexican drug cartel members were killed with these weapons. Would that be a good thing, a happening worth repeating? Better they died there than living to cross the border and bring a truckload of pot or heroin into the U.S. to sell.
  • Hawkeye Ambassa... 2012/09/22 13:07:31
    Hawkeye
    +3
    You can SAY what you want but there's NO evidence to back it up.. Obama's guns were fond on the scenes of murders and mayhem....

    BUSH worked within the Law with the permission,, approval and cooperation of the Mexican Government... Obama did NOT.. This arming of a force HOSTILE to the host Government was not only ill advised,, it was a BREACH of International LAW.. Mexico Lodged a Protest..

    There IS no Death count with Bush's operation.. We ALL know the costs of Obama's..
  • Ambassa... Hawkeye 2012/09/22 17:20:52
    Ambassador II
    "Fast and Furious" was merel;y a continuation of the gun running program begun under the GWB Administration. There is no way to count the results as Mexico had more than 20,000 annual deaths among the druggies during that period.

    The guns from F & F are not "Obama's", but belong to us - you and me, those who allow the free trade and peddling of them to anyone who has a desire and a driver's license for identity. One officer was killed with one of the weapons that could be traced to F & F. As we know, guns don't kill people, and the border guard was killed by a druggie attempting to cross into Arizona.

    If you want to count "deaths", we will begin with 8,000+ of our children killed in Iraq, and more than 200,000 Iraqui non combatants killed as "collateral damages" to our invasion begun by George and Dick. 208,000 : 1. Want to make some more nonsense allegations about "International Law"?
  • Hawkeye Ambassa... 2012/09/22 21:36:22
    Hawkeye
    +2
    It has already been established beyond argument that the Claim that " "Fast and Furious" was merel;y a continuation of the gun running program begun under the GWB Administration. " is a BALFACED LIE..

    There were enough MAJOR differences between the two operationss,, separated by THREE YEARS,, to JUSTIFY a conclusion that they weren't even similar to each other beyond the fact that Mexico and Guns were involved.. THERE the similarities end..

    Obama is a BALDFACED LIAR,, as USUAL,, when he makes the claim as are ANY one of his Drone Followers who utter the SAME LIES..
  • Hawkeye Hawkeye 2012/09/22 21:38:35
    Hawkeye
    +2
    BTW.. the REST of your CLAP TRAP about Iraq is utter nonsense both in terms of your exaggerated numbers and in the r5eference to International Law..

    Besides.. Saddam's Iraq was NOT an ALLY of America as Mexico is..
  • Ambassa... Hawkeye 2012/09/23 19:10:14 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Saddam was a valued ally of Reagan and Bush Sr. After being supplied with a $Billion of weapons by the U.S. he tried to build a pipeline to move oil from the mountains of Iraq to the sea. That pissed off the Saudis and they enlisted the U.S. to fight a war by proxy for them to prevent Saddam from operating the pipe without Haliburton. Once an ally, then an "enemy".

    As for "numbers" the count of Americans alone is 8,000 and climbing. For the Iraqis, the count is estimated somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000 but no records were kept or graves counted. Want to hear how many legs, arms, and minds were left on the sand there?

    If Mexico is an ally, they would be stopping the drug trade and "immigrants" before they reach our borders, without asking us to pay for the bills and ignore the fact their "authorities" are bribed to do nothing. With friends like that we don't need to look for enemies.
  • Ambassa... Hawkeye 2012/09/23 05:32:24
    Ambassador II
    Repeat your opinion over and over and two or three will believe it and "rave" your allegation. Otherwise, forget it and read a good book.
  • Hawkeye Ambassa... 2012/09/23 09:07:16
    Hawkeye
    Got NEWS for you... The ONLY people that believe the garbage you're spewing are hard left wingers like yourself..

    Americans are FAR smarter then you lefties give them credit for.. Fact is,, they're far smarter then YOU are..
  • Ambassa... Hawkeye 2012/09/23 19:18:11 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    I suppose it is news to RWNJs that 8,000 Americans died in Iraq, and more than 60,000 were injured there? No one could count the arms, legs, and minds left there in the sand. And, the count of dead Iraqi non-combatants is estimated between 200,000 and 500,000 but no one kept records.

    If you are unaware of the "war" we fought for OPEC nations, do go to Amazon and buy any one of hundred books available there to describe the decade following 2001. I caution you that trying to erase such as large fact from the pages of history (along with "Reaganomics", "supply side economics", "trickle down", and the collapse of 2008) will work only for the most ignorant who rely on Farside propagandists for their "alternate reality". All the rest of the world remembers, we remember clearly.
  • Hawkeye Ambassa... 2012/09/23 21:13:20
    Hawkeye
    THIS is from the LEFT WING Huffington Post..

    "Public awareness of the number of American military fatalities in Iraq has declined sharply since last August. Today, just 28% of adults are able to say that approximately 4,000 Americans have died in the Iraq war. As of March 10, the Department of Defense had confirmed the deaths of 3,974 U.S. military personnel in Iraq. "

    I'm DONE talking to you.. YOU are a baldfaced Liar who just throws out any old number that happens to pop into your head..
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/09/22 02:14:26
    Agree
    Kaleokualoha
    It's pretty clear that is what he said. It's also pretty clear that he misspoke, like he did with the "57 states" comment.

    You curiously forgot to mention that the White House subsequently clarified his statement:

    "Asked for comment, White House Spokesman Eric Schultz said, “The President was referring to the flawed tactic of gun-walking, which despite Republicans efforts to politicize this issue, began under the previous Administration and it was our Attorney General who ended it. In fact, this week’s IG report affirms this and if Republicans still have any legitimate questions about Fast and Furious, the 450-page report answers them. In light of this thorough report and Congress’s 16 month-long investigation, Republicans have no excuse to keep wasting time and taxpayer resources on politically-motivated, election-year attacks.” - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/p...
  • Hawkeye Kaleoku... 2012/09/22 15:33:09
    Hawkeye
    +1
    Yeah and Clinton said " I have NEVER had sexual relations with THAT woman"....
  • concerned 2012/09/22 01:54:02
    Agree
    concerned
    It started under the Bush administration ... under a different name ... and Eric has been cleared
  • konalimu concerned 2012/09/22 02:40:14
    konalimu
    +2
    No, nice try from you and the blamer in chief!

    Bush's program was suspended in 2007 when the data showed that the bad guys realized the tracking and they removed the tracking #s on the gun.
  • concerned konalimu 2012/09/22 05:45:57
    concerned
    that is bull ... Bush kept that madness going on ... under another name ... that's why they don't want the old pages .. but either way .. Eric is cleared ... and that's what counts ...
  • Hawkeye concerned 2012/09/22 13:11:48
    Hawkeye
    +4
    YOU think that Holder is cleared by an investigation conducted by a Holder appointee who had ZERO access to the Documents that Obama and Holder are hiding??

    HA HA HA HA!!!!!
  • konalimu concerned 2012/09/22 15:24:31 (edited)
    konalimu
    He is not cleared. This adm has been above the law, there are so much good well bestowed in this failed president.

    WE are voting him out!
  • CODE 11 2012/09/22 00:54:02 (edited)
    Disagree
    CODE 11
    It stated after he took office. Eric Holder knew about it, Obama knew about it. Napolitano knew about it. Now Lenny Beuer( Holders 2nd in command) has volenteered to be the fall guy.The President is a lier. This report was done by a Democratic hack..who was only concerned with getting Obama off the hook
  • 4570GOVT 2012/09/22 00:10:34
    Disagree
    4570GOVT
    +2
    This Is An " OUTRIGHT LIE " By The ObamaZombies !
  • zapped 4570GOVT 2012/09/22 00:27:56
    zapped
    +2
    and what an easily hypnotized bunch these are ,, the liberal mind what an easily programmed bunch !

    just like the hitler crew !
  • 4570GOVT zapped 2012/09/22 00:29:47
    4570GOVT
    +1
    Poor bastards ain't got a clue !
  • R.J. 2012/09/21 23:52:50
    Agree
    R.J.
    Bush was Doing The Same Program on a Smaller sale.
  • 4570GOVT R.J. 2012/09/22 00:11:42
    4570GOVT
    +2
    WRONG !
  • zapped R.J. 2012/09/22 00:24:15
    zapped
    Ah ,,,another low level troll ,, spewing the same dung !
  • CODE 11 R.J. 2012/09/22 01:00:13
    CODE 11
    +2
    With the guns , containing GPS, The Mexican Federal Police stopping the guns at the border. It was stopped as soon as the cartells found the GPS. Obama didn't use GPS. and he never told the Mexicans a thing about it. The Mexican AG was pissed when she found out They just let the guns walk...so they could get more gun control laws !
  • zapped 2012/09/21 23:37:17
    Disagree
    zapped
    +2
    totally different name operation ,,there were GPS tracked ,,,and another total failure ..

    then divert all attention / blame on all parties who cannot defend them selves ,,

    and the programmed sheeples will believe any & ALL LIES HE SAYS !
  • Joves the Instigator 2012/09/21 23:29:04 (edited)
    Agree
    Joves the Instigator
    +1
    I see that none covered it correctly. F&F; was an Obamanation creation without the knowledge of the Mexican government, and even forcing the straw purchases. F&F; was not to track guns, it was a plan to force gun laws into Arizona and other Open Sidearm States, but is it not funny they chose to use Arizona as the focal point. Everyone remember the big gun bust earlier part of this administrations term, where Napalitano stood there with others showing off the weapons that supposedly came from Arizona. When the NRA asked for the serial numbers of the weapons so they could see where they came from, we heard the sound of crickets. They were planning with F&F; to pull the same BS again and not they would be able to say see these are all from Arizona, and the other states.

    Yesterday morning on C-Span they had Issas committee on and I heard Malonloney claiming that now there are thousands and thousands of straw purchases going on in Arizona. Man these people have a real thing against we Arizonans.
  • boredcolliedogBringMarianne... 2012/09/21 23:18:10
    Disagree
    boredcolliedogBringMarianneBack!
    +3
    Well, of course we know Obama lied but I want to know what' up w/ ABC???

    all barack channel
  • Georgia50 2012/09/21 22:55:05
    Disagree
    Georgia50
    +2
    Obama lied, dozens died. Bush tried to catch criminals. Obama tried to ensnare law-abiding gun owners.

    Down with the filth.
  • zapped Georgia50 2012/09/22 00:31:28
    zapped
    +1
    and why else would pobama have involked the exeuctive privledge ...?

    and he's still on the hot seat with ISSA ,,,good man Darrell Issa !

    wow so dammed many obama bot idiots ... amusing & pathetic ,,,!
  • Hawkeye zapped 2012/09/22 12:59:15
    Hawkeye
    +1
    Issa's playing it smart.. WHY go after Holder NOW when Obama can just PARDON him when the truth comes out.. If Obama gets another 4 years,, this WHOLE thing will be BURIED like the DOZENS of "Investiagtions" into the Clinton activities that plague his first term....

    If Obama LOSES,, he WON'T be the ONLY one..
  • zapped Hawkeye 2012/09/22 22:21:57
    zapped
    yeppers ....I concur !
  • Rebel Yell 2012/09/21 22:32:14
  • zapped Rebel Yell 2012/09/22 00:40:57
    zapped
    another bit of confirmation that the obamabot hypnosis has worked !
  • Hawkeye Rebel Yell 2012/09/22 12:55:06
    Hawkeye
    Internal Department of Justice emails show Attorney General Eric Holder’s communications staff,, specifically,, Tracy Schmaler,, has collaborated with the left-wing advocacy group Media Matters for America in an attempt to quell news stories about scandals plaguing Holder and America’s top law enforcement agency..

    You're going to have to do better then THAT..

    I'd explain why the "Wide Reciever" and "Fast and Furious" operations,, separated by almost THREE YEARS,, had NOTHING to DO with each other and WHY they were so different in execution,, like the notification,, permission and cooperation of the Mexican Government in the case of the Bush operation but ABSENT with Obama's ,, but I suspect the TRUTH is of little interrest to you..
  • luigi1- in god we trust 2012/09/21 22:24:16 (edited)
    Agree
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +1
    It has to be Bush fault.



    Bush is a Texan.

    Bush favorite beer...Corona.

    His favorite entertainer...Freddy Fender.

    He is a Dallas Cowboy fan.

    He owns many guns And he hunts.



    He loves enchiladas And burritos.

    He has Mariache bands often at his ranch.

    He vacations often in Acapulco.



    He has to be guilty by association. There simply is no other explaination.

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