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Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say

ProudProgressive 2012/10/12 12:56:07

I know that polls are transitory and no matter what they say someone will claim they are biased, but for what it's worth, it seems that most polls are confirming the obvious this time - Joe Biden took Paul Ryan to school last night and not only taught him some economics and a lot of foreign policy, but also a great deal about honesty and about why evading every question and every fact presented to you simply makes you look like a spoiled child.

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Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say
CBS News/ October 11, 2012, 11:32 PM

Fifty percent of uncommitted voters who tuned into Thursday night's vice presidential debate in Danville, Ky., said they see Vice President Joe Biden as the winner over Mitt Romney's GOP running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., according to an instant poll taken by CBS News.

Of the 431 polled immediately following the debate, 31 percent deemed Ryan the winner, and 19 percent said they felt it was a tie. Party-wise it's a switch from last week's presidential debate, which uncommitted voters handed easily to Romney over President Obama.

Both Biden and Ryan gained ground on relatability and knowledge. The percentage of voters who say they believe they can relate to Biden spiked from 34 percent before the debate to 55 percent; 48 percent think Ryan is relatable, up from 31 percent before the debate. Meanwhile, after watching the two candidates debate, 85 percent of those polled think Biden is knowledgeable about the issues; 75 percent say that about Ryan.

Ryan, though, faced a loss among voters' opinions of which candidate would be an effective president, if necessary. Before the debate, he led Biden 45 percent to 39 percent; after the debate, 56 percent of those polled said Biden would be an effective president, with fewer - 49 percent--saying the same about Ryan.

The "uncommitted voters" who participated in this poll are either undecided or have chosen a candidate but say they could still change their minds. They are less likely than voters overall to identify with either of the two major political parties: 58 percent call themselves independents, 17 percent identify as Republicans, and 25 percent say they are Democrats.

This CBS News poll was conducted online using GfK's web-enabled KnowledgePanel, a probability-based panel designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 431 uncommitted voters who have agreed to watch the debate. Uncommitted voters are those who don't yet know who they will vote for, or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds.

This is a scientifically representative poll of uncommitted voters' reaction to the presidential debate. The margin of sampling error could be plus or minus 5 percentage points for results based on the entire sample.

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  • lurx: the soda jerk 2012/10/12 13:02:32
    lurx: the soda jerk
    +17
    Joltin' Joe Biden wins the bout
    By ROGER SIMON | 10/12/12 12:43 AM EDT

    DANVILLE, Ky. — Whatever Joe Biden was drinking Thursday night, Barack Obama ought to order a case of it.

    Biden took on Paul Ryan in the one and only vice presidential debate and did what Obama had failed to do last week in his debate with Mitt Romney: Biden not only won over the audience, but got under his opponent’s skin.

    http://www.politico.com/news/...

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  • Maynard 2012/10/13 12:14:49
    Maynard
    What a twist Proud.

    FOUR MAJOR POLLS SHOWED RYAN WON.

    Now Proud skews this, look real close at this one, it's 431 people who had NO CLUE PRIOR TO THE VP DEBATE?


    I bet they were about the only ones in America who HAD NO CLUE, normally polls ask 1000 people at a MINIMUM, here? They could not find that many people.

    Nice try Proud but YOU JUST LOST like always when I come along.
  • Cal 2012/10/13 01:21:56
    Cal
    +1
    dsdd

    Love the LWNJ's here in SH and on MSM doing their best to spin this one. You all better spin faster...CNN says Ryan won...and CNN is far more credible than CBS.
  • dubbie 2012/10/12 20:52:10
    dubbie
    +1
    Maybe to the uncommitted, But to the committed Majority of Americans who are fed up with corrupt regime ,Biden wont be wearing that smile after the 6 th
  • ManBearPig 2012/10/12 20:24:44
    ManBearPig
    what plan did Biden give us that will help put this country on track? None you say? That's because all he did was say how horrible Romney and Ryan's plans are
  • **Starz... ManBearPig 2012/10/12 20:44:59
    **StarzAbove**
    +4
    Biden told the truth. They haven't told us their plans yet, when will that happen.
  • Tarheel **Starz... 2012/10/13 04:39:54
    Tarheel
    +2
    I believe Lyin' said it would be after they were in the White House. I guess it's a secret plan. The only thing the rwnj's know is that it will work (which is weird, because it's a secret). lol!
  • **Starz... Tarheel 2012/10/13 12:05:56
    **StarzAbove**
    +1
    Exactly.
  • ManBearPig **Starz... 2012/10/13 06:21:45
    ManBearPig
    +1
    All i heard was Ryan talking steps to how his and romneys planned would be implemented but all i heard from biden was your wrong! and you lie!
  • **Starz... ManBearPig 2012/10/13 12:06:57
    **StarzAbove**
    And he told the truth. That's all lying Ryan did was lie and was wrong.
  • ManBearPig **Starz... 2012/10/13 16:15:14
    ManBearPig
    and what lies did biden keep spurting out of his mouth that the white house has to come out and clarify his statement...

    both sides had their lies... at least ryan was willing to discuss WHY his plan will work instead of just it does or it will... everytime ryan was making a good discussion on an idea biden just came in and interrupted him like an ass (and yes romney did do some interrupting in his debate but nowhere near the caliber of biden)
  • **Starz... ManBearPig 2012/10/13 16:46:09
    **StarzAbove**
    What plan was that? Ryan still hasn't told us what their plans are, even when the moderator asked me a couple of times. They have no plans at all, and that's what's so scary.
  • ManBearPig **Starz... 2012/10/14 00:23:57
    ManBearPig
    he laid out details of his plan and the extrapolated predictions thatwere confirmed by the cbo

    what has biden laid out so far?
  • Tarheel ManBearPig 2012/10/13 15:35:37
    Tarheel
    +1
    You mean the secret plan, that we'll only know if they win?
  • **Starz... Tarheel 2012/10/13 16:46:22
    **StarzAbove**
    +1
    Right.
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/10/12 17:53:32
    **StarzAbove**
    +7
    Kudos to Vice President Joe Biden. He did a fantastic job of kicking Ryan's butt all the way back to Wisconsin. Ryan was so nervous that the must have drank a couple gallons of water. lol lol ryan drinking water at debate animated ryan drinking water at debate animated ryan drinking water  animated
  • Singerar **Starz... 2012/10/12 20:36:38
    Singerar
    +6
    People can go back and have a "drinking game". Every time Ryan took a drink...take a shot. Or, (I like this one better) for the Conservatives, every time Biden Smiles because Ryan was lying....take a shot. They will be pie-eyed at the end!!
  • Lady Wh... Singerar 2012/10/12 20:52:06
    Lady Whitewolf
    +5
    **snerk** **GIGGLE** That's a GOOD one!!!!
  • Defend ... Singerar 2012/10/13 02:36:59
    Defend Western Civlization
    Americans know the TRAITOR and Jew hating muslim obama and biden are jokes
    Americans will laugh when President Romney has obama and biden sent to GITMO to be with their CHILD Molesting muslim terrorist Allies
  • Singerar Defend ... 2012/10/13 11:21:44
    Singerar
    +1
    Oh, off your meds again I see. Please take them. You are just rambling and doing that stupid thing again. Speaking.
  • Defend ... Singerar 2012/10/13 11:50:39
    Defend Western Civlization
    no that was the Joker joe biden
  • Tarheel **Starz... 2012/10/13 04:40:27
    Tarheel
    +3
    I halfway expected his to say, "I'll answer the question after I finish this glass of water."
  • **Starz... Tarheel 2012/10/13 12:07:53
    **StarzAbove**
    +2
    lol I think he had to keep drinking, it gave him some time to formulate another lie, you think? lol
  • Tarheel **Starz... 2012/10/13 15:37:18
    Tarheel
    +2
    Kind of like the snickers bar (or some candy), on commercials they put it in their mouth in order to think, because it gives them time not to make a stupid comment.
  • **Starz... Tarheel 2012/10/13 16:47:08
    **StarzAbove**
    +2
    hahaha Exactly....buying time. lol
  • Jaguar Socialist 2012/10/12 17:50:39
    Jaguar Socialist
    +8
    Biden clearly dominated the debate and exposed Ryan's extremist beliefs.
  • Defend ... Jaguar ... 2012/10/13 02:38:10
    Defend Western Civlization
    biden clearly was Slapped down by the True American
    bidens hate for America/Israel and Western Civilization was exposed
    its gonna be funny when Navy Seals are waterboarding bidens Jew Killing Allies
  • **Starz... Jaguar ... 2012/10/13 12:08:05
    **StarzAbove**
    Yes he did.
  • goinpostal 2012/10/12 17:48:16
    goinpostal
    +6
    YOU GO JOE
  • Adakin Valorem 2012/10/12 17:32:45
    Adakin Valorem
    +1
    PP, at one point Biden said that the Romney campaign wanted to end the guaranteed benefit under Social Security.

    There’s one problem here.

    Under current laws, Social Security benefits are NOT guaranteed. Promised, perhaps. But Not guaranteed.

    There IS no federal law out there that guarantees Social Security benefits to any American. The payments and how the payments are made can be changed by legislative action at any time. Your Constitutional rights are guaranteed. Your Social Security benefits are not.

    Example: The congress could pass legislation next week to raise the eligibility age to 70. If you’re 65 and waiting for your check … well, there goes your guarantee!

    Maybe you can live five more years! Now if you owned your own Social Security account – (that means privatization) – those benefits WOULD be guaranteed.

    Guarantees come from ownership, not entitlements.

    http://www.boortz.com/weblogs...
  • ProudPr... Adakin ... 2012/10/12 18:05:21
    ProudProgressive
    +5
    Whatever the semantics are, the fact remains that the Romney team wants to do to Social Security the same thing they want to do to Medicare - destroy a system that works in order to further enrich Wall Street at the expense of people who depend on these programs and have paid into them their entire working lives. Privatization would be one of the most disastrous things any administration could do, and no sane economist endorses the scheme. Ryan knows it too. You saw how he was still dancing around his plan to voucherize Medicare.
  • Adakin ... ProudPr... 2012/10/12 19:16:23 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem
    +1
    PP - Semantics? You think the difference between a contractually enforcable private ownership account is semantics when compared to the vague generalities of political promises that can change at the whim of one congress to the next?

    PP, Biden has been in gov't in one form or the other for almost a half century. If he doesn't know the difference between a contractually enforcable guarantee and a politicians "promise" he obviously need to be in the position that he now holds as "one heart beat away from being POTUS!

    There are just under 50 million Social Security Trust Fund retiree beneficiaries right now and the system is in deficit spending mode as revenue does not match pay-outs, forcing the TF to cash in the General Fund "IOU" bonds from back when all excess revenue was "loaned" to the Fed's general fund. So right now, the SSTF is 'eating it's seed corn'.

    Also consider that there are over 85 million baby boomers that are filing for SSTF benefits at the rate of 10,000 per DAY! Each of those folks similarly have paid into the system their entire working life and are due what was promised to them.

    Personally, I would have them adopt a Chilean paradigm for workers under 35y/o and allocate 2/3s of those young worker's "contribution" into their own personal SSTF plan t...






    PP - Semantics? You think the difference between a contractually enforcable private ownership account is semantics when compared to the vague generalities of political promises that can change at the whim of one congress to the next?

    PP, Biden has been in gov't in one form or the other for almost a half century. If he doesn't know the difference between a contractually enforcable guarantee and a politicians "promise" he obviously need to be in the position that he now holds as "one heart beat away from being POTUS!

    There are just under 50 million Social Security Trust Fund retiree beneficiaries right now and the system is in deficit spending mode as revenue does not match pay-outs, forcing the TF to cash in the General Fund "IOU" bonds from back when all excess revenue was "loaned" to the Fed's general fund. So right now, the SSTF is 'eating it's seed corn'.

    Also consider that there are over 85 million baby boomers that are filing for SSTF benefits at the rate of 10,000 per DAY! Each of those folks similarly have paid into the system their entire working life and are due what was promised to them.

    Personally, I would have them adopt a Chilean paradigm for workers under 35y/o and allocate 2/3s of those young worker's "contribution" into their own personal SSTF plan that they OWN, simliar to the way that federal employees now have their Thrift Savings Plan (that was patterned after the Chilean paradigm), I would have the remaining 1/3 of their 'contribution' go to funding the existing ponzi scheme for all of us "old farts" like you and me that are 'soon to be' SSTF beneficiaries.

    But that isn't what R/R wants to do as they keep changing their plans every time some ferret squeals like you stomped on it, whenever they claim that someone isn't getting their "fair share" of the soon to be bankrupt trust fund.

    Sooo, as you are a cheerleader for Barry's team, what PresBO's solution?
    What's his plan?
    What's his budget?
    Or is his plan mearly a "speech" as Ryan said last night?
    (more)
  • lucky 2012/10/12 17:27:48
    lucky
    +2
    Grudgingly, Biden won in my opinion, Ryan seemed nervous right off the bat although I think that was more due to the importance of the debate and the pressure put on him to pull it off by his own party, so much so that at times he sounded like an ad instead of himself.

    I give Biden credit where credit is due, he did a lot better than I expected and that was probably one of the best debate performances Ive seen by him. Although the smirking was a little over the top, I know they all do it but his was a bit excessive.

    I believe in this debate, debate experience won and Biden has a lot more experience in that arena.
  • Defend ... lucky 2012/10/13 11:51:35
    Defend Western Civlization
    only liberal progressive give the Joker any credit
  • lucky Defend ... 2012/10/13 12:29:22
    lucky
    Only fanatics are incapable of seeing the strengths of an opponent along with the weaknesses.
  • Defend ... lucky 2012/10/13 12:55:33
    Defend Western Civlization
    Americans know that Joe biden is a Fanatical muslim terrorist lover
    in the end Americans will laugh as Navy Seals Water Board biden at Gitmo
  • lucky Defend ... 2012/10/13 14:00:46
    lucky
    You dont know jack about what our Navy Seals would do or wouldnt do, or you would know that kind of work is a waste of their talents and skills.

    Do us all a favor and dont pretend to be a tough guy by dragging our elite forces into your drama.
  • Defend ... lucky 2012/10/13 15:07:00
    Defend Western Civlization
    Navy Seals despise the TRAITORS obama and biden
    it obama who asked Youtube to Remove a video of a private US Citizen
  • lucky Defend ... 2012/10/13 15:16:10
    lucky
    The military in general dont really like any politicians, they see them as basically a bunch of paper pushing wimps that cause them more work by not allowing them to do the jobs they were trained to do.
  • Defend ... lucky 2012/10/13 16:49:49
    Defend Western Civlization
    why cant you be specific?
    are you not proud of obama and biden?
  • lucky Defend ... 2012/10/13 17:51:29
    lucky
    Specific about what, you havent asked me any questions. You have flung a few false statements my way and then pulled a drama queen by dragging our elite forces into the discussion, but until now, you havent asked the first question. I suppose I could guess at the questions but then Id probably get accused of putting words in your mouth.

    To answer your second question....

    Why would I be, Im not one of their supporters.

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