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WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB 2012/03/25 13:21:07
It happened with the Democrats, when Hillary was cast aside for the Usurper. Now it's happening to the GOP. Watching the effects of thesis/antithesis, knowing who and what is behind it all, I know the troubles are hard upon us.

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Is the Republican Party Imploding? That's What Many GOP Voters Are Asking After a Chaotic Missouri Caucus
By Charlie King

During a GOP caucus event held Saturday night in St. Peters, Mo., absolute pandemonium broke out when more than 900 filled a gym at Francis Howell North High School to elect county GOP delegates. The caucus got off on a rocky start when Eugene Dokes, chairman of the St. Charles County Republican Central Committee, informed voters that there would be no cameras allowed. Much booing and shouting occurred almost immediately after the announcement. The caucus regained order only momentarily before descending into chaos after the GOP leaders began to nominate delegates without a vote. Voters continued to vocally express their disapproval until the police finally shutdown the event. According to a local CBS affiliate KMOX, two voters were arrested.



This is not the first time the GOP leaders and their voters have been at odds with each other. In an eerily similar situation that arose about a week ago, a video was posted to YouTube and appears to show Republican voters in Georgia being completely locked out of the delegate election process. According to the Athens Banner-Herald, this took place during the Athens-Clarke county GOP annual county convention. County GOP officials appear to disregard their party's rules during a delegate selection process. In the video that was taken by grassroots Republican voters, it appears that the County Chairman, Matt Brewster, and Nominating Committee Chairman, John Elliot, decided to appoint county delegates without a standing vote. The GOP official seemed set on disenfranchising a room full of voters despite a majority demanding a division of the assembly. This video goes on to show voters confronting several GOP officials seeking answers, only to be further ignored. With such damaging video being posted on YouTube, one has to wonder if this Georgia incident may have been the cause for the ban on recording devices in Missouri. In an election where the GOP will need every voters support to unseat an incumbent Democratic president, one has to question the wisdom of disenfranchising voters during an primary election season. As it turns out, this behavior has constituted a pattern of bad choices and shady dealings by the Republican Party that has plagued the entire primary and caucus election process.

First there was Iowa: Gov. Mitt Romney was declared the winner at the end of the caucus night, even though there were only eight votes between him and Senator Rick Santorum. A few weeks later, the GOP discovered inconsistencies in 131 precincts as reported by the Washington Post. After doing a recount, they determined that it was indeed Rick Santorum that had won the Iowa caucuses by 34 votes. Unfortunately Iowa marked the beginning of accusations and election shenanigans that would cast doubt upon subsequent caucuses and primaries.


In the Nevada Caucus, the GOP decided to hold a late night caucus vote in order to aid people of faith who could not vote during the day due to religious reasons. When voters began to arrive they were asked to sign a legal declaration, under penalty of perjury, that they could not attend their caucus held earlier in the day because of their religious affiliation. Many voters felt though they should not have to sign an affidavit stating religious affiliation in order to vote. Many voters where also turned away due to not signing the affidavit.


Next on to Maine, where the GOP state chair, Charles Webster, decided that because of inclement weather some of the voting precincts would be closed. As it turns out, these particular precincts were precincts where the Ron Paul campaign felt they were strongest. The bad weather that the GOP claimed was the cause of the cancellations turned out to be no more than a dusting of snow. That wasn't the only issue Maine had during their caucus. A local Fox Affiliate Fox 19 reported that mysteriously many precincts that Ron Paul won were not counted originally in the totals. By the end of the night, Mitt Romney was once again declared the winner while only ahead of Ron Paul by less then 200 votes and with only 84 percent of the precincts reporting. The canceled precincts hadn't gotten the chance to vote at all.


With all the perceived election fraud and last-minute rule changes by the Republican Party, the GOP should be asking themselves if they will be able to count on the voters that feel so alienated and disenfranchised by the GOP. Petitions, videos, and news stories have started to circulate on the Internet that show voters declaring they will not vote for Mitt Romney because they claim that the process has been rigged in his favor. One has to wonder, with all the election mischief on the GOP's part, have they done permanent damage to their party? Whether the fraud is real or just perceived, it will not matter in the end. Appearances may leave a lasting impression that may haunt the GOP in November.

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  • Striker 2012/03/25 15:22:52
    Striker
    +5
    There is a sickness which pervades the political species. We might call it Ruleritis? Once upon a time I viewed the process as good people pursuing their ideals -- how naive! It is not about ideals at all. It is about CONTROL, about power, about Force.

    No man alone has such power, As he gains a family, he gains power. As those children grow, they come to avoid that control by leaving the nest, and seeking their own power. This is a time when the young grab their freedoms, finally able to pursue their ideas, their dreams, and shape their own lives. Many of those are the creators, the inventors, the producers, and the very expression of their new-found freedoms. They succeed at life and living, and experience the exhilaration of it all.

    Others seem not to grow in the same ways. They seek instead the power and control seen of their parents (stereotypically their fathers) and become politicians. They come soon to realize that their power is greatly expanded by creating and fine-tuning Government(s) which are formulated to multiply their power and their control.

    As the Wizard behind the curtain, the most devious and adept of this process become the Rulers, the Genghis Kahn, the Napoleon, the King xxx, the Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Lenin, Stalin of that day. Some bec...
    There is a sickness which pervades the political species. We might call it Ruleritis? Once upon a time I viewed the process as good people pursuing their ideals -- how naive! It is not about ideals at all. It is about CONTROL, about power, about Force.

    No man alone has such power, As he gains a family, he gains power. As those children grow, they come to avoid that control by leaving the nest, and seeking their own power. This is a time when the young grab their freedoms, finally able to pursue their ideas, their dreams, and shape their own lives. Many of those are the creators, the inventors, the producers, and the very expression of their new-found freedoms. They succeed at life and living, and experience the exhilaration of it all.

    Others seem not to grow in the same ways. They seek instead the power and control seen of their parents (stereotypically their fathers) and become politicians. They come soon to realize that their power is greatly expanded by creating and fine-tuning Government(s) which are formulated to multiply their power and their control.

    As the Wizard behind the curtain, the most devious and adept of this process become the Rulers, the Genghis Kahn, the Napoleon, the King xxx, the Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Lenin, Stalin of that day. Some become called President and seen as somehow more kind, for they allowed the People to Elect them . The common thread? By virtue of the Empires they came to call GOVERNment and which they thusly foisted upon the People, all Ruled.
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  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2012/04/20 02:17:42
  • Bozette 2012/03/30 07:22:13
    Bozette
    +1
    The infighting among the conservatives has amazed me this election...the voter fraud has not.
  • WannaBe... Bozette 2012/03/30 08:11:58
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    There's a contingent that wants to maintain the status quo. A lot of us want to improve by returning to values that have been "thrown under the bus".
  • Bozette WannaBe... 2012/03/30 08:16:59
    Bozette
    +1
    I'm with ya there. I'd just been away from this site for so long and hadn't seen it happening so badly elsewhere that I was a bit shocked to see the viciousness.
  • WannaBe... Bozette 2012/03/30 08:37:07
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Have lost friends and family over this.
  • Bozette WannaBe... 2012/03/30 15:07:01
    Bozette
    +1
    I've lost friends over it as well. Have been on a mini-vacay from the family...
  • Technotrucker_exposingthetruth 2012/03/28 06:44:47
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +2
    By all appearances, you would think the GOP is working for the 0dimwit camp. I mean, after all, they are pushing an 0dumbo clone as the nominee.
  • WannaBe... Technot... 2012/03/28 19:28:31
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Well said rekcurtonhcet. Many of us are wondering the same... it's like John McCain all over again.
  • Technot... WannaBe... 2012/03/29 05:33:46
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +2
    Unfortunately, if the GOP is so idiotic, the same conclusion will result. A slam dunk for the DNC. It will be Ron Paul, or Barry.
  • WannaBe... Technot... 2012/03/29 08:37:47
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +2
    It's like they're committing slow motion suicide.
  • Technot... WannaBe... 2012/03/30 03:06:42
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +1
    That is exactly what the Dems want. They want a complete end to the Rep party. Have for over 100 years.
  • WannaBe... Technot... 2012/03/30 06:48:02
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +2
    I have grave doubts about that "party" as well. Got some friends who were staunch Hillary supporters, they witnessed what had been done to her by their "machine" in favor of the usurper in chief... suffice it to say, they are none too happy either.
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/03/25 19:40:08
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    I've wondered for awhile now whether we'd have done better to have crooks framing the Constitution instead of one of the most incredible collections of men ever working toward a goal in recorded history. Crooks might have safeguarded us better. I'm only half-kidding.

    On the other hand, maybe the problem is our nature. America is the land of opportunity -- and the land of opportunists. It's always made sense to me that men daring enough to sail 3,000 miles in search of a better life might have more than their fair share of chutzpah.

    The "Grand Old Party" is just old now, sad to say -- and so are its tricks. [Not saying Dems are any better -- just sticking to the question.]
  • Tinka123 2012/03/25 16:40:40 (edited)
    Tinka123
    +4
    I don't know about everyone else - but the GOP/DNC party isn't a representation of me or my principles. Once again, we're the best representations of 'self.'

    As with all "business" arrangements - I can only fulfill my part of the agreement. It's up to the party, with whom I've made an agreement, to fulfill their obligations as per the agreement. And when said party either refuses or fails to meet their obligations per the agreement - the agreement is nullified, it is the left to me to withdraw from said agreement and seek redress.

    We have such an agreement with our govt. and the elections process is one of several obligations they are expected to fulfill. Our obligation is to pay our taxes / abide by the laws.

    Now I'm no genius, but I would say that our obligation carries an equal - maybe even greater - amount of weight in this agreement, as without us fulfilling our part of the agreement the entirety of our "business" comes to a standstill. Thus the agreement is nullified. Perhaps the question now, is not "What do we do," rather: How many are willing to do what we need to do? Just some of my thoughts on the matter...
  • WannaBe... Tinka123 2012/03/26 12:09:41 (edited)
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +4
    I decided a while ago that the compact is irrecoverably broken, unilaterally. Those we placed trust in have, over the decades, proven themselves untrustworthy, individually and severally.
    edit for grammar and typo
  • Tinka123 WannaBe... 2012/03/26 12:58:11
    Tinka123
    +3
    Agreed 100%
  • WannaBe... Tinka123 2012/03/26 13:38:29
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +3
    So, we separate ourselves. Come out of her, as it were.
  • Tinka123 WannaBe... 2012/03/26 13:51:02
    Tinka123
    +3
    Ooh, channeling a bit of ro there - "Come out of her my people!"

    Me likes...
  • WannaBe... Tinka123 2012/03/27 08:17:49
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Channeling? No, that would premise my adopting Theosophy or some such. Just remembering my Bible.
  • Tinka123 WannaBe... 2012/03/27 12:57:03
    Tinka123
    +1
    Yes, rocat always mentions that passage to me. Particularly when discussing topics like this. Great minds and all ;)
  • WannaBe... Tinka123 2012/03/27 22:23:46
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Believe it or not, most of this comes from I was a child, before I concluded God was not just dead, but He never had existed at all.

    Suffice it to say, I have been a fool for most of my adult life.
  • Tinka123 WannaBe... 2012/03/27 23:42:55
    Tinka123
    +2
    No, not at all. A fool never sees the error of their ways. You are clearly no fool. Besides, without being wrong - many many times - one can never truly be right. ;)

    You know, most of the stuff I know about the Bible came from when I was a kid too. It's never foolish to doubt - it's essential. Even Jesus had doubts.

    "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
    --Thomas Jefferson
  • WannaBe... Tinka123 2012/03/27 23:49:34
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Point. Very good point. Thank you.

    Actually, that helps.
  • Tinka123 WannaBe... 2012/03/28 00:01:04
    Tinka123
    +1
    Anything for a friend. We all have our moments - and purposes. I'm glad it helped you as much as it has me =)
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/25 16:31:02
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    Everybody was saying this when Obama and Hillary were battling each other in 2007, but in the end, the Democrats came together, and so will the GOP.
  • jubil8 ... WhereIs... 2012/03/25 19:35:06
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    At what cost? As the shenanigans get worse and exposing them becomes more common, even sheeple will get the message that the Emperor isn't wearing any clothes.
  • WhereIs... jubil8 ... 2012/03/25 19:42:53
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Right now they are making people dependent on the government, so when you have those people (close to half the country) voting their survival, you have a problem.

    I think 4 more years of Obama is worse than the alternative.

    That said, here is what I really think. Nothing will change until it gets SO bad that people can't stand it anymore (like when rationing starts happening, or they can't get an appointment with a Doctor as the ones left are all too swamped, or they don't get as much as they expected, things like that.

    My guess is that by the time enough people wake up, it will be too late. I hate to be such a bummer, but that is what I really think.
  • jubil8 ... WhereIs... 2012/03/25 20:12:52
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +2
    I agree with you that people won't wake up till too late (and I hate thinking it too).

    4 more years of Obama wouldn't be so bad if we had a Congress that would work for us (the people who hire them), not for themselves. The combo is lethal.

    Personally, I think we were doomed when Bernanke was re-appointed to head the Fed. And I think the 112th Congress has been a worse joke than the 111th. Unfortunately, the joke's on us.
  • WhereIs... jubil8 ... 2012/03/25 20:22:00
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Sad but true.
  • WannaBe... WhereIs... 2012/03/26 12:00:08
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Taking your tack, that must mean in the very near future, a meeting will be held with the "front runners" and some extremely important "people", and a decision as to who your next "President" is to be will be made.
  • Technot... WhereIs... 2012/03/28 06:46:13
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +2
    Not on your life. The GOP is alienating it's own voting base with illegal rules and voter shut outs. Why should anyone trust the GOP?
  • WannaBe... Technot... 2012/03/29 09:00:33
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    No answer yet? Not surprising.
  • Technot... WannaBe... 2012/03/30 03:07:33
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +1
    I never hold my breath.
  • WannaBe... Technot... 2012/03/30 06:48:34
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Good idea.
  • TuringsChild 2012/03/25 16:09:52
    TuringsChild
    +1
    I wonder if this happened during Democrat conventions, but nobody noticed because rank and file voters never bothered to show up?
  • jubil8 ... Turings... 2012/03/25 23:41:32
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    The conventions haven't even happened yet.

    My sister has a neighbor whose parents live near where we grew up. They are life-long Republicans, and her father was a delegate in the 70's and 80's. They don't like the Republican Party anymore, don't even recognize it. I haven't heard Democrats saying the same kinds of things.
  • WannaBe... Turings... 2012/03/26 12:02:46
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Actually, it did. There are some "Hillary supporters" who are on SH, and they related as much, and if memory serves news articles were leaking out about just that.
  • Striker 2012/03/25 15:22:52
    Striker
    +5
    There is a sickness which pervades the political species. We might call it Ruleritis? Once upon a time I viewed the process as good people pursuing their ideals -- how naive! It is not about ideals at all. It is about CONTROL, about power, about Force.

    No man alone has such power, As he gains a family, he gains power. As those children grow, they come to avoid that control by leaving the nest, and seeking their own power. This is a time when the young grab their freedoms, finally able to pursue their ideas, their dreams, and shape their own lives. Many of those are the creators, the inventors, the producers, and the very expression of their new-found freedoms. They succeed at life and living, and experience the exhilaration of it all.

    Others seem not to grow in the same ways. They seek instead the power and control seen of their parents (stereotypically their fathers) and become politicians. They come soon to realize that their power is greatly expanded by creating and fine-tuning Government(s) which are formulated to multiply their power and their control.

    As the Wizard behind the curtain, the most devious and adept of this process become the Rulers, the Genghis Kahn, the Napoleon, the King xxx, the Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Lenin, Stalin of that day. Some bec...
    There is a sickness which pervades the political species. We might call it Ruleritis? Once upon a time I viewed the process as good people pursuing their ideals -- how naive! It is not about ideals at all. It is about CONTROL, about power, about Force.

    No man alone has such power, As he gains a family, he gains power. As those children grow, they come to avoid that control by leaving the nest, and seeking their own power. This is a time when the young grab their freedoms, finally able to pursue their ideas, their dreams, and shape their own lives. Many of those are the creators, the inventors, the producers, and the very expression of their new-found freedoms. They succeed at life and living, and experience the exhilaration of it all.

    Others seem not to grow in the same ways. They seek instead the power and control seen of their parents (stereotypically their fathers) and become politicians. They come soon to realize that their power is greatly expanded by creating and fine-tuning Government(s) which are formulated to multiply their power and their control.

    As the Wizard behind the curtain, the most devious and adept of this process become the Rulers, the Genghis Kahn, the Napoleon, the King xxx, the Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Lenin, Stalin of that day. Some become called President and seen as somehow more kind, for they allowed the People to Elect them . The common thread? By virtue of the Empires they came to call GOVERNment and which they thusly foisted upon the People, all Ruled.
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  • WannaBe... Striker 2012/03/25 15:37:02
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +2
    I refer to them as psychopaths, sociopaths and just plain evil.
  • Striker WannaBe... 2012/03/25 15:46:07
    Striker
    +2
    Chuckle

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