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Pilgrims or Puritans?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/25 15:16:56
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In the early seventeenth century, two groups of people knew they had problems with the Church of England. The Pilgrims separated from the Church completely and went first to Holland, then to America to live. The Puritans stuck it out for a lot longer, but then they, too, broke away.

Now a Tea Party activist warns her fellow conservatives that they might have to play the Pilgrim. The Church of England was having none of the "purification." The Republican establishment will probably behave the same way.

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  • GINGERBREAD 2012/08/25 16:06:38
    Undecided
    GINGERBREAD
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    The reason I chose undecided was because "PILGRIMS & PURITANS" are the same. When they arrived in the New World, they were both "PILGRIMS & PURITANS". They did not celebrate any of of our religious holidays. They considered everything, except worshiping "GOD" a "SIN", and "GOD" had to be worshiped only one way. and any other type of worship is heretical. I don't consider the tea party as "PILGRIMS". I consider them more like our founding fathers, that were neither "PILGRIMS" nor "PURITANS". They were for freeing the individual so that every individual. This was the very first time in the whole world where the individual mattered, and not the government.

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  • zapped 2012/08/26 03:26:54
    Undecided
    zapped
    +2
    well with romney being a MORMON ...it is a different concept that traditional christanity , the muslims live by the koran ...the LDS live with both books .bible & book of mormon ,

    are they puritans ?

    in their minds ..yes

    the admin. if romney is elected will have the backroom fundamentals as the mormons do but puritans or pilgrims ,,is up in that air !

    the mormons have their won principals , beliefs "and members who are weak to the words of wisdom ..!"

    I was in the LDS church for a while ,,"not for me " I' declare christianity "
  • jeepster4 2012/08/25 22:15:01
    None of the above
    jeepster4
    +1
    But we fought a revolution that established us as Americans. Since that time politics have been supposedly none sectarian.
  • Cliff 2012/08/25 22:08:08
    Pilgrim
    Cliff
    +2
    Actually the pilgrims did not come to the new world to escape persecution. They came to spread the gospel. I think some Republicans, like the prodigal son, have already come back home and some are thinking about it. Those who choose to stay with tending pig pens will reap what they sew.
  • shadow76 Cliff 2012/08/26 15:38:42 (edited)
    shadow76
    +1
    They left England because King James persecuted them out of the country! Yes they did want to bring God's word to the new world. They also wanted to be free to worship as they saw fit. The political situation does not compare!
  • Icono1 2012/08/25 20:25:53
    Puritan
    Icono1
    +5
    The tea party can easily work as a divisive faction within the RNC and allow 0bie four more years by splitting the 'republican vote' into smaller factions instead of going for one winning candidate.

    I think it would be wise to get the Marxist out of office first then worry about who is a Pilgrim or who is a Puritan in a metaphorical sense.
  • TheTailor 2012/08/25 20:21:08
    Pilgrim
    TheTailor
    +3
    The Republican leadership will change, or we will change it, See Ted Cruz. NO RINO's.
  • Mr Chin 2012/08/25 20:10:32
    None of the above
    Mr Chin
    +2
    Neither. I like the modern world and indoor plumbing. And strange new interpretations of what a Pilgrim and Puritan is doesn't fit in the real modern world.
    video game room
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/08/25 19:28:00
    None of the above
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +1
    They are both the same to me
  • Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/08/25 18:55:35
    None of the above
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    I don't believe the Pilgrims and the Puritans were different. However, I get your point and I'm not siding with the one that has a chance at beating the heathen.
  • doc moto 2012/08/25 18:37:56
    None of the above
    doc moto
    +1
    Just like anything else, you have folks that justv wanna do their own thing; the platform as like a Chinese menu attachment, pick and choose and I like this, but not that and you look like my second cousin so you... and then I prefer this and you that and well, lets see; what do we agree with here>? Oh, okay, I will RAVE YOU! Ha Ha!
  • Scandalf 2012/08/25 18:01:04
    None of the above
    Scandalf
    +1
    Talibans!
  • texasred 2012/08/25 17:11:42
    None of the above
    texasred
    +6
    I'm very much decided. I will not vote Third Party and I will not write in a losing name. People can call it prostituting my beliefs and values all they want... but I KNOW we have to get Obama out of the WH this November. If Romney wins and sticks by what he has said, I'll consider him for a second term. If he doesn't... I'll do my damnedest to vote him out, too.
  • Arizona... texasred 2012/08/25 17:32:13
    Arizona1950
    +3
    You can get Obama out of the WH if more voted their principles rather than party. But you do what you think will be best ... and I will do the same.
  • texasred Arizona... 2012/08/25 20:24:23
    texasred
    +2
    I know we both will. That's what makes the world go 'round!!
  • Arizona... texasred 2012/08/25 22:32:05
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/25 20:48:40
    TheTailor
    +2
    But 'more' won't, and splitting the election won't get Obama out.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/25 22:31:55
    Arizona1950
    From everything I've read Romney has the lead so you just keep doing what you're doing and I will do the same to bring about real change ... we have Romney flip-flopping already on auditing the Fed ... lets see what else he'll promises in trying to get my vote too.
  • zapped Arizona... 2012/08/26 03:36:54
    zapped
    romney doesnt have the nomination yet ,,"though he's been parading like he does
    and I agree about the flip flopping thing ....

    but soetoro has to go .!

    then the present 2 parties have shown their usefullness in the past 100+ yrs .
  • Arizona... zapped 2012/08/26 03:44:09 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    I am not going to wait until 2016 to vote for someone who doesn't reflect the Progressivm movement and their direction.

    Gary Johnson is the here and now should RP not win the nomination ... lets see if Rand Paul can challenge him in 2016 and we know he will.

    Otherwise we start this all over again with the down-trodden wishing and hoping we will get a good constitutional person to represent the people in 2020 should Romney win a 2nd election and refusining to admit to themselves that they missed their chance in 2012 to do the right thing.
  • zapped Arizona... 2012/08/26 03:52:39
    zapped
    now why wouldnt ron paul run on the independent ticket ,,,his followers could write his name in ??

    now not to be a downer here ...BUT !

    if soetoro gets more desperate he's liable to orchestrate an even & declare M/L ...and suspend all elections ..it's been predicted by many a schollar !
  • Arizona... zapped 2012/08/26 04:04:16
    Arizona1950
    He made a promise he would not abandon the Republican Party in his efforts to restore it to its former glory. So Gary Johnson who also ran an as a Republican switched to the Libertarian ticket and won the nomination. As it stands right now I hear Romney is beating Obama ... so what's the problem.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/26 04:23:53
    TheTailor
    You won't bring any change real or otherwise if Obama wins with a split vote.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/26 04:26:26
    Arizona1950
    It seems Romney is ahead so what's you beef. If you think he can't make it without the Paul vote then switch your vote for the better candidate.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/26 04:29:56
    TheTailor
    I don't know if he will win or not, all I know is that a split ticket is a risk that shouldn't be taken in the current situation. There isn't a better or another candidate.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/26 04:32:24
    Arizona1950
    To tell you the truth I don't either ... so I will vote my conscience for the best man to win and not further the progressive movement that both Obama and Romney represent.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/27 04:35:59 (edited)
    TheTailor
    Romney isn't a progressive, if he turns out to be a RINO, we'll get rid of him.

    Edit: You are free to vote for whomever you wish, but being stubborn won't help change America away from Marxism if you support someone that has no chance of winning.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/27 05:47:05
    Arizona1950
    Romney is as Progressive as they come ... just like McCain ... he follows Obama on direction and most policies ... just because you refuse to see it doesn't mean he's not.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/27 13:20:48
    TheTailor
    To group Romney with Marxist progressives is asinine.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/27 13:26:37
    Arizona1950
    If you really think about it the men and women in Washington are becoming more and more fascist ... so I am not far off at all. You just refuse to see it ... which will be to the detriment of our nation as we fall further into tryanny under the guise of being taken care of.

    You don't support the Patriot Act and the NDAA and say you are constitutional is just the beginning of his lies.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/27 15:11:05 (edited)
    TheTailor
    It has to be taken step by step. The first step being defeating Barrack Obama decisively. Understand something, Paul isn't going to be elected, that's just the way it is, and a vote for him doesn't help defeat Obama.

    Be stubborn, it's your right, but don't think you are advancing the cause, you are hindering it.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/28 02:40:03
    Arizona1950
    +1
    It has nothing to do with being stubborn and all to do with integrity and not furthering the fascism of the Progressive Party or what we call the status quo.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/28 19:38:12
    TheTailor
    +1
    Problem there is you will further the self proclaimed progressives if you split the vote, that's exactly what they want you to do.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/29 03:02:15
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I doubt I will ... Too many are blind followers of Romney just like those blind followers of the Obama.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/29 05:37:48
    TheTailor
    +1
    Remember how Clinton won with less than 50%? Same thing.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/30 01:51:33 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I disagree ... those who have been standing up for the Constitution have made great strides ... the GOP is getting the message loud and clear and I intend to help them hear even better.

    Many of the amendments our campaign for liberty fought for were included in the new GOP platform. Four years ago, many politicians in both parties scoffed at Ron Paul's efforts to audit the Federal Reserve.

    Now it’s in the Republican Platform – along with internet freedom, war only under a Congressional declaration, support for a gold commission, and fighting back against domestic drones.

    You do what you think is right and I will continue to do the same. The difference is a vote for Romney means you will have 4 years of trying to keep his feet to the fire ... Voting Johnson means I will have 4 years of restoring the constitution, fiscal responsibility, and down-sizing government because my president knows its the right thing to do.
  • Temlako... Arizona... 2012/08/30 01:52:49
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Yes, that might prove significant later on. It will be a rallying cry.
  • Arizona... Temlako... 2012/08/30 02:05:31
    Arizona1950
    I believe voting Johnson means we will have 4 years of restoring the constitution, fiscal responsibility, and down-sizing government because its not only constitutional but the right thing to do.
  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/30 14:08:18 (edited)
    TheTailor
    +1
    Right, there's no question the Republicans are responding to the TEA Party, but they aren't listening to fringe Ron Paul or Johnson supporters.

    "Many" did scoff at auditing the FED, but most didn't, that's why Paul had success getting co-sponsors. Those co-sponsors didn't need to hear your rant, they signed because they see it as needed policy. "Many" is not "most", and you overestimate your influence.

    Any vote not supporting the party's nominee is a vote to keep progressives in power.
  • Arizona... TheTailor 2012/08/31 01:22:51
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Did you see the RNC tribute to Ron Paul ...

  • TheTailor Arizona... 2012/08/31 10:47:01
    TheTailor
    +1
    No, and I didn't see him speak either, if he did.

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