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Phoenix Woman Ordered to Not Give Out Water in 112 Degree Heat Because She Lacked a Permit: Absurd or Appropriate?

Heisenberg 2012/08/21 23:00:00
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REASON.COM reports:
This is what government is all about. Forget roads, mass murder through warfare, or locking people up for their consumption choices: it's making sure that no one gives out water without a permit.
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  • sglmom 2012/08/21 22:47:16
    Absurd
    sglmom
    +11
    Asinine ..
    (Government needs to BUTT OUT of this .. seriously .. sealed bottled water .. in High Heat .. would they rather have folks pass out from Heat Stroke and possibly die?)

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  • Not My Real Name 2012/09/23 19:34:19
    Absurd
    Not My Real Name
    Sometimes there's so much freedom in America that I feel like I can't take it.
  • John Ross 2012/09/21 16:09:55
    Absurd
    John Ross
    Look at the votes on this subject . I thought we lived in a democrcy . Just go's to show how a few can take control.
  • P. Sturm 2012/09/13 04:46:12
    Absurd
    P. Sturm
    And when people die of heat stroke, what then? Do they need a license?
  • Miss Kris 2012/09/02 06:10:34
    Absurd
    Miss Kris
  • Dan 2012/09/01 20:39:37
    Absurd
    Dan
    This posting is somewhat misleading. It boils (not pun intended) to an inspector who was a moron. The facts are as follows:

    Dwayne Grierson, the “Neighborhood Preservation Inspector,” told the good Samaritan that handing out free water is considered vending with a license. In essence, she was told citizens of Phoenix must obtain permission before showing acts of kindness. But Rutherford spokesmen said the Phoenix City Code has no such prohibition of individuals from handing out free water, or anything else. The Code only states that individuals cannot sell goods or services on public sidewalks and property without first obtaining a vending permit.

    Rutherford President, John W. Whitehead, said in a letter to the city that its actions were not justified under Phoenix city code. “In fact, the Phoenix City Code prohibits only ‘vending’ on city sidewalks without a license. ‘Sidewalk vending’ is defined as ‘peddling, vending, selling, displaying, or offering for sale any item of tangible personal property or other thing of value upon a sidewalk of the city of Phoenix.’

    The citation also “violated Ms. Crow-Smith’s statutory and First Amendment rights to freely exercise her religion and Fourteenth Amendment due process rights,” said Whitehead. “As these provisions are expressly l...
    This posting is somewhat misleading. It boils (not pun intended) to an inspector who was a moron. The facts are as follows:

    Dwayne Grierson, the “Neighborhood Preservation Inspector,” told the good Samaritan that handing out free water is considered vending with a license. In essence, she was told citizens of Phoenix must obtain permission before showing acts of kindness. But Rutherford spokesmen said the Phoenix City Code has no such prohibition of individuals from handing out free water, or anything else. The Code only states that individuals cannot sell goods or services on public sidewalks and property without first obtaining a vending permit.

    Rutherford President, John W. Whitehead, said in a letter to the city that its actions were not justified under Phoenix city code. “In fact, the Phoenix City Code prohibits only ‘vending’ on city sidewalks without a license. ‘Sidewalk vending’ is defined as ‘peddling, vending, selling, displaying, or offering for sale any item of tangible personal property or other thing of value upon a sidewalk of the city of Phoenix.’

    The citation also “violated Ms. Crow-Smith’s statutory and First Amendment rights to freely exercise her religion and Fourteenth Amendment due process rights,” said Whitehead. “As these provisions are expressly limited to the sale of goods, they clearly do not apply to Ms. Crow-Smith’s act of giving away water. Thus, Inspector Grierson’s actions constitute a completely unjustified interference with an act of charity by a private citizen and a violation of Ms. Crow-Smith’s right to be free from interference with her fundamental liberty interests absent due process of law under the Fourteenth Amendment.”
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  • studiobrat BN-0 AFCL 2012/08/31 21:28:55 (edited)
    Absurd
    studiobrat  BN-0  AFCL
    Job Description: Government and City Idiots Government Idiots
  • Claybern 2012/08/30 17:48:09
    Absurd
    Claybern
    This one is just plain stupid.
  • 2012/08/25 17:21:11
    Absurd
    +1
    okay so a woman wants ot offer to people free water, out of the tap, and people are all up in arms? whatever happend to recognizing exercising rights requires no permission from another human being who are our equals. she has a right to do this, but people have a right to refuse, no one is forcing people to accept the water from her. if there is a problem they will know where the water came from, the people who accept the water will know. it amazes me, including myself being amazed at myself being so guillible, that once a equal human being (which we all are) are somehow indowed with special knowledge, ability ro concern simply because they become a government employee. being in government doesn't make one full of wisdom and magic. gov is just people, who are doing a job assigned to them, they are not gods, even tho many of them act as one as their heads get a bit to big for their hats.
    rose
  • ready46xwu 2012/08/24 11:49:31
    Absurd
    ready46xwu
    I just hope that it was "CLEAN AND NOT 'TAINTED' IN ANY WAY"!
  • handeman 2012/08/24 01:26:32
    Absurd
    handeman
    +2
    Sheeple, wake up!
  • kraftymomma1979 2012/08/23 14:21:34
    Absurd
    kraftymomma1979
    +1
    She was just trying to be neighborly. That's a good thing!
  • Wahvlvke 2012/08/23 13:00:00
    Absurd
    Wahvlvke
    +1
    Heavens ... she could be a terrorist handing out poisoned water ... quick ... hide under the bed ... cover your head with a blanket.
  • Mark 2012/08/23 12:02:13
    Absurd
    Mark
    +1
    Where do these barmpots come from?
  • Duncan McAwesomesauce 2012/08/23 07:59:14
    Absurd
    Duncan McAwesomesauce
    ridiculous
  • 3kidsandamom 2012/08/23 06:34:05
    Absurd
    3kidsandamom
    +1
    Forbidding Americans from helping our neighbors is not the job of our government! Their theory that if they regulate us enough we will stop helping others in need is so far off base of what so many have been raised to do it's not even funny. As a nation we have a long history of helping those in need why would our government try to stop this, except to enslave those in need by forcing them to turn to the government instead of each other?! This is NOT the American way!
  • studiob... 3kidsan... 2012/08/31 21:34:32
  • Cat 2012/08/23 05:30:27
    Absurd
    Cat
    +1
    UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!
  • YYCDad 2012/08/23 04:47:39
    Absurd
    YYCDad
    +1
    There seems to be a lot of this kind of thing going on. From kids selling hotdogs to kids selling lemonaide. It seems that the police and city counsels are bored.
  • Broddy 2012/08/23 03:08:11
    Absurd
    Broddy
    +1
    Totally Ignorant! I could see if she was selling the water but giving it away no that is beyond stupid, like telling people not to give first aid unless you have a medical degree.
  • commissioner 2012/08/23 02:20:35
    Absurd
    commissioner
    wrong!! she was ordered to NOT give out water for free in 112 degree heat because she lacked a permit.

    http://reason.com/blog/2012/0...

    Here is what is really odd about this, most cities in AZ where it is often 100+ degrees, have similar laws which state if someone comes to your door asking for water it is a crime not to give them some.
  • T A 2012/08/23 02:08:48
    Absurd
    T A
    +1
    Permits and licenses are absurd. Why should anyone ask permission from a stranger to carry out a peaceful activity?
  • scottcl... T A 2012/08/24 19:11:34
    scottcleaves
    +3
    No, we don't need anything like, say, weapons permits or driver's licenses. Just hand them out on the street corner. That way we can all become drive-by shooters. Sweeeeet!
  • T A scottcl... 2012/08/26 17:49:43
    T A
    I would have said sell them as I'm not a communist. Maybe if people had guns they could defend themselves against these rarities instead of waiting for the police to chronicle the incidents like the useless wastes of taxes they are.
  • bill 2012/08/23 01:32:22
    Absurd
    bill
    +2
    The people need to be fired and replaced with real human beings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no freedom
  • jerry 2012/08/23 00:13:38
    Absurd
    jerry
    +2
    This politically correct nanny state mentality is destroying what used to be a productive, self-reliant, common sense nation of faithful people.

    We must change or we will go the way of the Roman empire...into oblivion.
  • Mark DeBarbieri 2012/08/22 23:24:39
    Absurd
    Mark DeBarbieri
    +1
    Absurd, but not surprising because the government has to be the one to provide such things, to maintain the status of viability; "I am from the government and I am here to help you." A good example is when people (such as Wal-Mart) other than the government wanted to help the victims of Katrina, they were turned away by the government. A permit or permission is a military term, as is zoning. Just another example that we are not the owners of anything. Why would we need permission for anything, if we truly owned our land?
  • Grandpa 2012/08/22 22:31:23
    Absurd
    Grandpa
    +1
    Put the STUPID A$$ on border patrol he or she is to STUPID to walk among caring people >> Maybe the sun bake that thing they call a brain >>
  • joshBigBoss 2012/08/22 22:14:47
    Absurd
    joshBigBoss
    +1
    I'm tired of this out of control government trying to bully people out of doing the right thing. I think they want people to do something drastic in retaliation.
  • Biki 2012/08/22 22:03:46
    Absurd
    Biki
    +1
    BEYOND freakin' absurd!!!
  • Boo 2012/08/22 21:51:18
    Absurd
    Boo
    +2
    More proof that not only is government by and large out of control, but that government has ceased to have good judgment.
  • ZB 2012/08/22 21:08:11 (edited)
    Absurd
    ZB
    +1
    Lets let them die from dehydration. Stupid.
    After reading some of the other comments here, I wish that there had been more information posted before I voted.
  • Bibliophilic 2012/08/22 20:42:58
    Absurd
    Bibliophilic
    +2
    Where was she handing it out? If it's legal to post fliers on cars it should be legal to give water to thirsty people!
  • kobidobidog 2012/08/22 19:36:20 (edited)
    Absurd
    kobidobidog
    +3
    To deny water to those that needed it is beyond absurd it was demonic. Only the devil in a person would deny water to be given to a person that needed it.
  • BigFig#9 2012/08/22 19:21:48
    Absurd
    BigFig#9
    +1
    Absurd - unless I hear some good reasoning - which in this one sided situation we don't. Sometimes when you hear the 'rest of the story' you have to go - 'oh yea, now I get it'.
  • gregaj7 2012/08/22 18:53:24
    Absurd
    gregaj7
    +2
    Perfectly legal. It's way beyond time to rescind the signature of consent to the muni-corps that run things by contract.
  • mae 2012/08/22 18:38:18
    Absurd
    mae
    +1
    On the surface, absurd--but wasn't this the lady whose neighbors turned her in for passing out this water in refilled plastic bottles that were not sterilized, and were being filled from her garden hose? That still doesn't forgive the City and County for not aiding its citizens with fresh, clean water in Catagory 4 temperatures! Shame on you, Phoenix!
  • Boo mae 2012/08/22 21:54:12
    Boo
    +2
    When I was growing up we often drank from the garden hose, which was not sterilized! In severe heat, sterility should NOT be a priority! Has everyone become a germaphobe?
  • mae Boo 2012/08/24 07:27:05
    mae
    +2
    Any water would be better than none. I thank her for at least trying, which seems to be more than the city of Phoenix was doing.
  • JJ 2012/08/22 18:20:44
    Absurd
    JJ
    +3
    Again folks, these are the type of people we are dealing with in government. When you hear silly things like this coming from people that apparently have lost it as to wisdom, caring and good old fashion horse sense, then we undoubtably have a big problem. When you vote, vote with wisdom...consider everything, including this.
  • Boo JJ 2012/08/22 21:54:36
    Boo
    Amen!
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