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iamnothere 2012/07/16 13:12:17
Democrats threaten to go over ‘fiscal cliff’ if GOP fails to raise taxes
By Lori Montgomery, Published: July 15

Democrats are making increasingly explicit threats about their willingness to let nearly $600 billion worth of tax hikes and spending cuts take effect in January unless Republicans drop their opposition to higher taxes for the nation’s wealthiest households.

Emboldened by signs that GOP resistance to new taxes may be weakening, senior Democrats say they are prepared to weather a fiscal event that could plunge the nation back into recession if the new year arrives without an acceptable compromise.

In a speech Monday, Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), the Senate’s No. 4 Democrat and the leader of the caucus’s campaign arm, plans to make the clearest case yet for going over what some have called the “fiscal cliff.”

“If we can’t get a good deal, a balanced deal that calls on the wealthy to pay their fair share, then I will absolutely continue this debate into 2013,” Murray plans to say, according to excerpts of the speech provided to The Washington Post.

If the tax cuts from the George W. Bush era expire and taxes go up for everyone, the debate will be reset, Murray is expected to say. “Every proposal will be a tax-cut proposal,” according to the excerpts, and Republicans would no longer be “boxed in” by their pledge not to raise taxes.

“If middle-class families start seeing more money coming out of their paychecks next year, are Republicans really going to stand up and fight for new tax cuts for the rich? Are they going to continue opposing the Democrats’ middle-class tax cut once the slate has been wiped clean? I think they know this would be an untenable political position.”

Murray’s address, set to be delivered at the Brookings Institution, is meant to influence both the Nov. 6 election and the lame-duck legislative session in November and December, when the fiscal cliff will be at hand and the fight over taxes will be in full throttle. Regardless of the election’s outcome, President Obama and the current Congress will be in office for the session.

The speech comes less than a week after Obama assured Hill Democrats during a White House meeting that he would veto any attempt to maintain the Bush tax cuts on income over $250,000 a year, according to several people present. It also echoes the dismissive response by Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) to Republicans seeking to undo scheduled reductions in Pentagon spending that even Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta has said would be “devastating” to national security.

During the White House meeting, Obama never directly addressed whether he is prepared to let the new year arrive without taking action to avoid the cliff. According to the excerpts, Murray will say Monday that she hopes an agreement can be reached before then: “Democrats are willing to compromise. We just need a partner.”

Still, Democratic lawmakers emerged from the meeting invigorated for the year-end battle to preserve the Bush tax cuts solely for the middle class.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has lambasted the Democrats’ position as an “outrageous ultimatum.”

“At a moment when the American people are reeling from the slowest recovery in modern times . . . and just five months away from the economic body blow that will result if tax rates spike, as scheduled, on January 1st, the president’s solution is to take more money away from the very business folks we are counting on to create the jobs that we need,” McConnell said in a speech Thursday on the Senate floor. “Naturally, Republicans oppose this. The way we see it, nobody should see an income tax hike right now.”

A risky strategy

The term “fiscal cliff” refers to the sharp drop in the 2013 budget deficit that would result from policies in current law. Thanks to a deal Obama cut with Republicans in 2010, the Bush tax cuts — and dozens of other tax provisions — are set to expire in December, raising taxes for virtually every U.S. household next year.

Meanwhile, during the debt-limit showdown last summer, lawmakers approved a plan to implement $110 billion in automatic spending cuts next year. A legislative “supercommittee” appointed to find an alternative deficit-reduction strategy disbanded without reaching agreement.

Republicans say Democrats are responsible for the impasse, noting that GOP members on the supercommittee offered to raise revenue through an overhaul of the tax code.

“We were on the record saying we would agree to a conventionally scored tax increase if they would clear out the tax code, make it fairer, flatter and simpler and begin to take us off the road to bankruptcy on entitlements. And they weren’t willing to do it,” said Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.), the GOP supercommittee chairman.

Murray, who served as the panel’s Democratic chair, argues that her party was willing to tackle entitlement costs. But the GOP’s tax offer was a “bait and switch,” she is expected to say Monday, that would have slashed rates for the rich while generating too little cash to reduce the deficit.

With less than four months until the election, threatening to go over the cliff is a dicey political strategy. Democrats acknowledge that there is a fine line between appearing to stand firm and appearing to take unnecessary risks with the economy. Privately, some Republicans compared it to the debt-limit fight, when congressional approval ratings plummeted after conservatives risked an economy-shattering default to force cuts in government spending.

Democrats say this case is different. Unlike default, the effects of going over the cliff would be neither immediate nor permanent, aides said. An analysis by Chad Stone, an economist at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, casts the cliff as more of a “slope,” with “only a fraction of the impact occur[ing] in the first month or so.”

“This is not a Wile E. Coyote moment where you have the economy plummeting on Jan. 2,” Stone wrote. “You have some time to implement policy to address the weak economy in the short term and the deficit in the long term.”

In a recent report titled “There Are Worse Fates than Walking off the Fiscal Cliff,” analysts with the Carlyle Group argued that the cliff “would be a near-term disaster” but that simply extending current tax and spending policies would fail “to address increasing indebtedness” and “could actually represent the worst long-run outcome.”

Some Republicans rethink

Given the stakes, some Republicans are rethinking their opposition to higher taxes. In recent days, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and other GOP defense hawks have been talking with Democrats about raising cash by “closing loopholes” to replace scheduled military cuts.

“If you said ‘John McCain, are you for increasing taxes?’ the answer is still no,” McCain said, pointing to federal subsidies for ethanol as an example of a loophole that could be closed without “raising taxes.” He added, “We get into such semantics.”

Democrats have shown little interest in a deal, however, preferring to keep the spending cuts in place as an additional point of leverage for the post-election fight.

That’s good strategy, said Erskine Bowles, the Democratic chairman of Obama’s deficit-
reduction commission, who is still trying to build support for a framework to raise taxes, overhaul entitlement programs and rein in the national debt.

“You got two guns: One is the tax cuts, and the other” is the spending cuts, Bowles said in an interview. “Until I can get a framework agreed to, I wouldn’t holster those guns,” he added.
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  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/07/16 13:32:08
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +3
    Why Obama should keep his word----When President Obama took office in 2009, he said that he “will be held accountable.” He added that he would turn around the failing American economy within his first term and get the country back on track. Obama concluded, “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

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  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/16 23:32:15
    jackolantyrn356
    +1
    No Threat Jimbo. The Democrats are killing the econemy. And deserve a Bitter deatyh themselves
  • iamnothere jackola... 2012/07/17 03:01:06
    iamnothere
    and yet stupid ignorant people will ship these fools back to DC again and again
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/07/16 13:55:30
    Kiosk Kid
    +2
    Marxists buy votes with welfare programs. So they want to tax to get more money to buy votes.
  • Mr. T Kiosk Kid 2012/07/16 14:02:27
    Mr. T
    +2
    100% Spot On.
  • Gunner 2012/07/16 13:45:47
    Gunner
    +1
    Kill the economy - again?
  • wtw 2012/07/16 13:41:15
    wtw
    +2
    Repubs states are doing well because they have conservative economic programs. Obamanomics is failing as soclialistic economics always does!
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/07/16 13:32:08
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +3
    Why Obama should keep his word----When President Obama took office in 2009, he said that he “will be held accountable.” He added that he would turn around the failing American economy within his first term and get the country back on track. Obama concluded, “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”
  • Mr. T Diane S... 2012/07/16 13:43:16
    Mr. T
    +3
    Lets hope that "one-term proposition" is accurate.
  • Mr. T 2012/07/16 13:22:33 (edited)
    Mr. T
    +3
    Imagine that, Democrats run up unprecedented debt and are now crying about needing MORE money from us the taxpayer so they can continue putting us even further in debt. But not "us", our children, grandchildren and their grandchildren.

    Star
  • ProudProgressive 2012/07/16 13:19:41
    ProudProgressive
    This is pretty amusing, actually. The Republicans' failed policies of handing money to the rich while increasing the burden on everyone else is the primary reason for our economic difficulties right now. Last year during the debt ceiling negotiations, the Republicans proved they were willing to let the entire nation default, and were proud of the fact that they forced the first lowering of America's credit rating in history, in order to protect tax cuts for the richest Americans. President Obama agreed to 4 TRILLION dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a 0.2% rise in taxes on the second million dollars of the top 340,000 Americans, and the Republicans said no. Now the Republicans are frantically trying to get out of the deal they agreed to which will cut bloated and unnecessary spending, especially in the Republicans' favorite cash cow, the defense budget. When the Bush tax giveaways were supposed to expire the Republicans held the nation's unemployed hostage in order to extend them. Now they are threatening the same thing again.

    Anyone who thinks it is the Democrats or President Obama that is threatening to push our economy over a cliff is as delusional as a birther. President Obama has spent four years pulling this country back from the edge of that very cliff,...
    This is pretty amusing, actually. The Republicans' failed policies of handing money to the rich while increasing the burden on everyone else is the primary reason for our economic difficulties right now. Last year during the debt ceiling negotiations, the Republicans proved they were willing to let the entire nation default, and were proud of the fact that they forced the first lowering of America's credit rating in history, in order to protect tax cuts for the richest Americans. President Obama agreed to 4 TRILLION dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a 0.2% rise in taxes on the second million dollars of the top 340,000 Americans, and the Republicans said no. Now the Republicans are frantically trying to get out of the deal they agreed to which will cut bloated and unnecessary spending, especially in the Republicans' favorite cash cow, the defense budget. When the Bush tax giveaways were supposed to expire the Republicans held the nation's unemployed hostage in order to extend them. Now they are threatening the same thing again.

    Anyone who thinks it is the Democrats or President Obama that is threatening to push our economy over a cliff is as delusional as a birther. President Obama has spent four years pulling this country back from the edge of that very cliff, and with the Republicans pushing the nation back to that precipice daily, all they can do is say "don't blame us." I just don't think the American people are that gullible. I don't think they're going to fall for the same bulls*t again.
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  • Kiosk Kid ProudPr... 2012/07/16 13:59:26
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    +2
    The reason that Obama can't create jobs is because capital and jobs flee Marxism.

    "What do concerns about regulations and policies mean for small businesses? Stalled growth. 80% of small businesses surveyed report the taxation, regulation, and legislation from Washington make it harder for their business to hire more employees. Nearly three-out-of-four (73%) of small businesses surveyed cite the recent health care law as an obstacle to growing their business and hiring more employees.”

    "Sixteen percent of small businesses approve of the job President Obama is doing."

    http://www.uschambersmallbusi...

    Marxism doesn't work!
  • ProudPr... Kiosk Kid 2012/07/16 14:45:02
    ProudProgressive
    Right.... the US Chamber of Commerce is not a reliable source for what time it is, much less anything to do with the economy. REPUTABLE surveys have consistently confirmed that small businesses are NOT overburdened by regulations, and the Health Care Law has actually made it EASIER to hire new employees.

    And by the way, at least TRY to learn what "Marxism" actually means before you embarrass yourself further.

    When are the Republicans going to come back from the fantasy world they live in these days?

    http://www.delawareonline.com...
    http://www.reuters.com/articl...
  • Kiosk Kid ProudPr... 2012/07/16 15:59:21 (edited)
    Kiosk Kid
    +1
    If you don't think they are a reliable source then provide facts to dispute them. Don't spew a fallacy which is a breaksown in logic.

    Let me slam the Liberal with facts about your fallacy.

    "Killing the Messenger (Argumentum ad Hominem)

    “This fallacy disagrees with an argument by attacking the person who makes the argument.”

    http://depts.washington.edu/m...

    Every business group in America is fighting that Marxist Liberal. They have a massive Super Pac to fight. Why are they fighting him? Because the small business owners they represent owerwhemingly are against Obama's anti-business policies.

    Why can't Obama create jobs? Small business owners aren't going to be a dime on Marxist Liberal it is too risky.
  • iamnothere ProudPr... 2012/07/17 03:02:37
    iamnothere
    easier.. if you have the extra $2 an hour it is going to cost.. Wait till the exchanges start.. and all business pretty much off load .. and make single payor system.. hope you have good rationing card
  • Tee Quake 2012/07/16 13:16:30
    Tee Quake
    +2
    We are over that cliff long ago, American public just does not know it yet.
  • Diane S... Tee Quake 2012/07/16 13:33:05
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +1
    When President Obama took office in 2009, he said that he “will be held accountable.” He added that he would turn around the failing American economy within his first term and get the country back on track. Obama concluded, “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

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