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Pastor Creflo Dollar Arrested For Choking And Hitting His Daughter. DO YOU THINK MEGACHURCH PASTORS PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH, OR THEY A BUNCH OF PHONIES?

Tigger Too 2012/06/11 21:50:04
YES! Megachurch pastors are money-grubbing phonies.
NO! Megachurch pastors are only trying to preach God's Word.
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The mug shot provided by the Fayette County Sheriff's Office shows megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar. Dollar has been arrested after authorities say he slightly hurt his 15-year-old daughter in a fight at his metro Atlanta home. A Fayette County Sheriff's Office investigator says deputies responded to a call of domestic violence at the home around 1:00 a.m. last Friday. Rowan says the 50-year-old pastor and his daughter were arguing over whether she could go to a party when Dollar "got physical" with her, leaving her with "superficial injuries."

Dollar said in 2007 that he renounced his church salary, and his income only comes from personal investments, including a real estate residential property business and horse-breeding company called Dollar Ranch. He's also published more than thirty books, focusing mostly on family and life issues, including debt management. He said that he also sometimes got up to $100,000 for a single appearance on his packed schedule of speaking engagements.





Along with Bishop Eddie Long, Dollar is one of the most prominent African-American preachers based around Atlanta who have built successful ministries on the prosperity gospel, which teaches that God wants to bless the faithful with earthly riches. Ministers in this tradition often hold up their own wealth as evidence that the teaching works.


Long and Dollar were among six televangelists investigated by Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley from 2007 to 2010, following questions about personal use of church-owned airplanes, luxury homes and credit cards by megachurch pastors and their families. The report did not find any definitive wrongdoing, but it expressed concern about the lack of financial oversight at such large ministries.

DO YOU THINK MEGACHURCH PASTORS PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH, OR THEY A BUNCH OF PHONIES WHO ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN MONEY?

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  • bob h. 2012/07/01 15:22:40
    YES! Megachurch pastors are money-grubbing phonies.
    bob h.
    +1
    As a group, they have a terrible record.
  • Tigger Too bob h. 2012/07/03 01:12:27
    Tigger Too
    Sadly, your statement is true, for the most part. Thanks for your response, bob!
  • art1ej 2012/06/30 01:21:10
    YES! Megachurch pastors are money-grubbing phonies.
    art1ej
    +1
    of course they want money & to brainwash sheep...
  • Tigger Too art1ej 2012/07/03 01:13:11
    Tigger Too
    Thanks for your response, art!
  • Sister Wolf 2012/06/12 14:37:42
    YES! Megachurch pastors are money-grubbing phonies.
    Sister Wolf
    +1
    i understand big churches and the more money coming in but that is to help people learn more about god not custom made golf clubs and private jets. Wouldn't God want you to fly and spread God's word with more people on a public flight.
  • Tigger Too Sister ... 2012/06/12 16:21:34
    Tigger Too
    +1
    One thing's for sure -- Jesus didn't get $100,000 a pop for his speaking engagements! Thanks for your comments, Sister Wolf!
  • unclepat 2012/06/12 13:50:42
    YES! Megachurch pastors are money-grubbing phonies.
    unclepat
    +1
    The guy's name is Creflo DOLLAR.....hellooooo. What more of a hint do you need people! lol
  • Tigger Too unclepat 2012/06/12 16:22:36
    Tigger Too
    +1
    You're exactly right. Creflo DOLLAR's name couldn't be anymore appropriate! Thanks for your response, unclepat!
  • Ambassador II 2012/06/12 05:53:02
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    Ambassador II
    +1
    The size of the church has nothing to do with the delusions that preachers must futher by appearing before a congregation every Sunday, telling the stories they sometimes actually believe. This jerk is just one of thousands living off the absurdity of those who throw money at them in hopes of buying a "mansion on the streets paved with gold". It is the oldest con game known to mankind, and has become widely popular and greatly more profitable in recent decades. Were I twenty years younger I would open a church and make a quick ten or twenty $Million, then sell the money stream to a younger boy, like Joel Osteen.
  • Tigger Too Ambassa... 2012/06/12 16:29:07
    Tigger Too
    Not so long ago, Barbara Walters did a segment on one of her specials about Pastor Joel Olsteen and his wife. When she got around to his personal life, and she accompanied the preacher to his home, she asked him how he could afford such a big mansion with all the expensive furnishings. Well, needless to say, Olsteen kept dodging Walters' question about his personal wealth. Come to think of it, he never DID provide an answer. As a Christian, I can't help but shake my head in confusion when I compare the teachings of Christ with the megachurch pastors. One thing's for sure -- Jesus didn't get $100,000 a pop for speaking engagements! Thanks for your comments, Ambassador!
  • eNewsAlerts 2012/06/12 02:58:37
    NO! Megachurch pastors are only trying to preach God's Word.
    eNewsAlerts
    +2
    Generally speaking they are doing God's work. They are human and occasionally there can be wolves in sheep's clothing..
  • Tigger Too eNewsAl... 2012/06/12 16:33:24
    Tigger Too
    Thanks for your response, eNewsAlerts!
  • Ambassa... eNewsAl... 2012/06/12 18:11:37
    Ambassador II
    +1
    And, what is this "God's work" they are doing? Several built "Universities" with their name, some built "cities", others bought some companship of whores, others are accumulating the
    "donations" in family trusts, and some are spending on yachts, homes, jewlery and lifestyles
    of the "rich and famous". Which of these is "God's work"?
  • eNewsAl... Ambassa... 2012/06/12 19:13:09
    eNewsAlerts
    First of all, there is nothing wrong with having money or some things. Secondly, you should research into the good things a lot of these people do with the money. More importantly they are preaching God's word and getting the word out to the masses. That is important, especially today when so few people go to church.

    The biggest sin here sounds like jealousy.
  • Ambassa... eNewsAl... 2012/06/12 19:27:06 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    +1
    I have no reason to be "jealous" as I'm more than comfortable financially. But, these pillagers, using the donations of deluded "believers" for their personal lifestyles among the rich and famous, are not to be admired. As for "preaching the word of God", they are using the stories as a means of attracting the rivers of money, as have all similar tyrants down through history.

    Now, Bill and Melinda Gates, for instance, are to be greatly admired as they have given about half of their wealth to the charitable Foundation that spreads $Billions around the world for worthwhile causes. And, the Graham Foundation spreads several hundred $Million each year across the globe, often teaming with the Gates Foundation for joint efforts in ways you can't imagine. I've not heard of any similar efforts by Joel Osteen, John Hagee, or Creflo Dollar.
  • Tigger Too Ambassa... 2012/06/13 05:51:30
    Tigger Too
    I don't know the name of the religious organization or the pastor who runs it, but have you seen the nut jobs on those overnight TV spiritual "infomercials" where they tell you to send away for their "Miracle Water?" Then they have testimonials from members of their congregation who say that God saved them from having their cable TV shut off, and other such nonsense. And the absolute WORST part (and it's pretty damn funny, too!) are the people on crutches and in wheelchairs, and after the preacher touches them and shouts, "You're healed in the name of Jesus," they start dancing a jig. I mean, I try to be a good Catholic, but come ON. These charlatans make me want to puke, because they can drive away potential converts to Christianity with their greed, snake oil and circus-like atmosphere. In fact, this particular religious group should run their programs on Comedy Central!
  • Ambassa... Tigger Too 2012/06/13 06:17:31 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    +1
    Yes, I've seen the "Miracle Water" guy and his floozy wife who makes like the organ grinder's monkey. I think they began about twenty years ago in Concord, California with a broadcast, sans the water thing.

    I sometimes spend five minutes watching one of them, just to remind myself that the world remains filled with ignorance in spite of the opportunities for education and mental therapy. Benny Hinn is one of those "healers", copying his trade from the first on television, Oral Roberts. Indeed, they can bring out the worst of hysteria from the borderline insane, especially the women (sorry ladies, but I've counted and women outnumber the males about 15 to one).... I can remember when Oral Roberts had a Sunday night t.v. broadcast from his "Tent", which moved from place to place. People sent him $millions with which he built the Oral Roberts University and endowed his family with more than we want to know about.

    One of my all-time favorite movies is "Elmer Gantry", which won Academy Awards of all kinds. If you haven't watched it in a while, call it up and remind
    yourself how such nonsense like that began in the "modern era".
  • Tigger Too Ambassa... 2012/06/28 02:46:44
    Tigger Too
    The movie "Elmer Gantry" was excellent, and Burt Lancaster deserved his Best Actor Oscar for his role in the film. Some other good movies about the absurdity of religion run amok are "Dogma," written and directed by Kevin Smith; "Leap Of Faith" starring Steve Martin; and "Bedazzled," starring Dudley Moore. I happen to be one of those rare religious people with a sense of humor! I also get a charge out of "The Silver Chalice, "Ben Hur," and of course, the Mother of all religious flicks, "The Ten Commandments," along with other such movies that are just SO overdone and heavy-handed, featuring a cast of thousands! Cecil B. DeMille couldn't have made a simple film if his life depended on it, and Charlton Heston was an absolute hoot as Moses in "The Ten Commandments!"
  • Ambassa... Tigger Too 2012/06/28 04:55:06
    Ambassador II
    +1
    Some I've seen, some not. I must gather them all and remind myself what a foolish bunch they can be.
  • eNewsAl... Ambassa... 2012/06/19 07:22:10
    eNewsAlerts
    +1
    You should research where the money goes. You might be surprised. As far as Bill gates, charity among businesses and businesspeople is good for their image. It is a proven good investment. Those who give without publicity are the real givers.
  • Ambassa... eNewsAl... 2012/06/28 03:20:51
    Ambassador II
    +1
    Bill and Melinda Gates gave the first $30Billion of stock to the foundation without any publicity at all until the stock registration hit Wall Street and the media picked up on it. I have yet to see even one comment by either of them regarding their charity. On a day when Bill had not a single dollar in his wallet and his gas tank was totally empty, I advised him to be prepared to establish a charitable trust to do whatever work he wished, donate about half of his stock holdings and use the charitable deduction to offset otherwise taxable income. In that way he could have control of where his (otherwise) tax dollars were spent, on things that were worthwhile and not to pay for wars and worthless endeavors by the Govy. Bill replied, "You tell me exactly what my Dad says". Read the book, "Showing Up For Life" by Bill Gates II if you haven't. It describes a family with values and charity we all need to admire. These are real people, not at all like the very wealthy publicity seekers you hear every day on some media outlet.
  • eNewsAl... Ambassa... 2012/06/30 04:18:37
    eNewsAlerts
    +1
    When you are as well known as Bill Gates you are not going to keep your $30 billion foundation a secret. It is marketing. He has little drones slopping it up and passing it on. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I see some of the garbage he has put out on the public and some of his business practices. If you don't deal fairly with your competitors and you put garbage out to your customers I have serious doubts that you are all that charitable. Bill seems obsessed with the bottom line. Big businesses have learned that having a charitable front is profitable.
  • Ambassa... eNewsAl... 2012/06/30 07:14:11
    Ambassador II
    +1
    I know that you haven't a single clue of what you are speaking, for what you say is totally wrong. If you have any evidence of any "advertising" the Gates Foundation has ever done, please tell us right here where to find a link to that which you know and I don't.

    Sorry, but you have never met, don't know, have no basis for your allegations regarding Bill Gates. Gates doesn't manage Microsoft any more, hasn't for several years. They do very well under the direction of Balmer and a hundred professionals that make decisions there. Most of your words are nonsense and not really worthy of any comment.
  • eNewsAl... Ambassa... 2012/06/30 17:30:24
    eNewsAlerts
    +1
    I didn't have any allegations. I just stated facts and used common sense. They may or may not advertise the so called foundation, but they have useful idiots who slop it up and pass it on, including the media and some individual simps.
  • Tigger Too Ambassa... 2012/07/03 01:23:16
    Tigger Too
    Actually, I've found that there are many people who are totally unaware that Bill and Melinda Gates have a charitable foundation. I didn't even know about it until recently. No, the "benefactors" I hate are the ones such as Oprah Winfrey, who makes a big production and announces it whenever she donates a red cent to ANYTHING. [YOU'RE getting a new car, and YOU'RE getting a new car, and so on!] It only stands to reason that the Gates' charities would be known to the public, since he himself is famous, but he's never made a big deal of being a gazillionaire. I was shocked when I discovered just how much money he and his wife DO give to their foundation, for all types of causes. They're doing the right thing, IMO, and they're doing it the right way. QUIETLY.
  • Ambassa... Tigger Too 2012/07/03 02:37:20
    Ambassador II
    +1
    Go buy his father's book "Showing Up For Life" and read it. You will be impressed with the quality of the family and the sincereity of their lives. Bill once told me "You are just like my Dad, and he like to play golf too". After reading the book I realize what a compliment young Bill paid me to see me in any way "like" his Dad.
  • Kronan_1 2012/06/12 02:05:15
    YES! Megachurch pastors are money-grubbing phonies.
    Kronan_1
    +3
    All they do is beg money . How much do they give back? Riding in Limos and wearing $1000.00 suits. Getting manicures and how much do you think they pay for their hair styles. I'll bet no one of the live in a trailer park. Have you seen Billy Grahams mansion?

    Billy Grahams House
  • Tigger Too Kronan_1 2012/06/12 16:42:19
    Tigger Too
    +1
    Yes, the big cross on the side of the barn is rather incongruous, isn't it? Actually, Rev. Billy Graham's home is rather modest in comparison with the mansions some of the other pastors of megachurches own. Jesus didn't ride in limos or wear $1,000 suits, nor did He go to an expensive salon for manicures and hairstyles. And I'm pretty sure He didn't bring in $100,000 a pop for each of His speaking engagements! If He HAD, then He would have donated the money to the poor, not use it to build an Olympic-size wave pool in His backyard! Thanks for your comments, Kronan!
  • Kronan_1 Tigger Too 2012/06/12 18:31:50
    Kronan_1
    +1
    In hind sight I could have used Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker,Oral Roberts ,even though he built a University in Oklahoma, or a host of others. Looking at the home that came up when I typed it in , He really doesn't have that much of a home for the money.
  • Tigger Too Kronan_1 2012/06/12 19:03:30
    Tigger Too
    +1
    What drives me nuts are the fundamentalist televangelists who preach against the sins of homosexuality, fornication, adultery, etc., and then they're caught doing one or more of those same things. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and all that rot...
  • Ambassa... Kronan_1 2012/06/12 18:06:04 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    +2
    Actually, Dr. Graham's home is quite modest, three bedrooms, dining room, living room and a small den/office, with a sun porch. It was paid for by a wealthy admirer, and belongs to the Trust that will carry on the legacy of this famous man after his death. The "Barn" is actually a visitor's center where a million or so come each year to recount his works and relive some of his "Crusades" on film. Various groups also use the facilities for conferences and meetings.

    You will waste your time if you try to find any scandals involving Dr. Graham. He lived his entire life on a modest salary from the "Association" and the accumulated donations are now being used in the most generous way by his son, Franklin, and his work across the world in relieving starvation and deprivations of the poorest humans on the planet.

    I have a strong distaste for the "evangelists" and television despots that use "Christianity" as their money tree. But, Billy Graham and his entire family are exceptions and different from all the rest.
  • Tigger Too Ambassa... 2012/06/12 18:29:14
    Tigger Too
    I respect and admire Rev. Billy Graham, and he has a lifelong history of service to his fellow man and bringing the Christian message to countless followers. However, I have to disagree with your assessment of his son, Franklin Graham. Billy Graham has ministered to every president since Richard Nixon, regardless of their political party. Franklin, on the other hand, has inserted himself into the extreme conservative political dialogue, and I don't like that. Christianity in general, and Jesus in particular, teaches that God is Love, and that Love includes people of all different faiths and political ideology.
  • Ambassa... Tigger Too 2012/06/12 18:50:40 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    +1
    I am aware of Franklin's mistaken involvement in the the right wing political dialogue, and I also am offended that he did that. HIs sister also travels about speaking to "Christian Women Club(s)" and spreading the "conservative agenda" of homage to Wall Street and the controlling Aristocrats that support their political causes. However, that is their personal choice which I respect, even though quite different from my choices, and has little to do with the works they do with the Association's funding. We can't expect that everyone will agree with our political opinions in order to be admired and respected.
  • Tigger Too Ambassa... 2012/06/12 19:18:11
    Tigger Too
    Oh, I don't expect others to agree with my political opinions. However, I do expect televangelists who preach the Word of God to be apolitical and not advocate for any particular political ideology. Franklin Graham's income from his church should pay his salary for administering to his flock, NOT speaking from a political pulpit. While it's true that many fundamentalist televangelists preach against the sins of homosexuality, fornication, etc., subjects which can be turned into political dogma, I'm a proponent for the separation of church and state. I don't appreciate it when I see Franklin Graham on news talk shows advocating for his conservative politics. Then again, most megachurch pastors fall into the 1% of the wealthiest Americans, so I guess it makes sense. Franklin should stick to religion.

    I happened to read an excellent book written by Anne Graham Lotz, "The Vision Of His Glory," or "Finding hope through the Revelation of Jesus Christ." It explained the last Book of the Bible in detail, according to her beliefs, and it did so without the usual mumbo-jumbo of the End Of Days preachers. If she's a conservative in her politics, that's fine, but she and her brother are supposed to be spreading the Word of God, NOT using church time and money to stump for their political beliefs. I mean, that's just my opinion...
  • Ambassa... Tigger Too 2012/06/12 19:40:53
    Ambassador II
    +1
    I not aware that Franklin Graham has a "church" congregation. Perhaps he does, there in North Carolina, but I'm just not in touch with that. The "day job" to which he devotes himself is the Foundation which distributes several million "gift boxes" each Christmas around the world, building and supporting schools where none exist, and drilling water wells to support agriculture in arid deserts, and providing medicines, medical care, and vaccinations to the poorest who otherwise would have none. He sometimes teams his operations with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and with the Ford Foundation and others involved in such works around the world.

    I would also prefer that he not involve himself in politics, but if that is his flaw I can live with it, even if I wholly disagree with his leaning. I also do not admire the "Christian" stories that seem so misleading and preposterous, but I will forgive him those also as he doesn't make such a big deal of them as to be
    obnoxious or overwhelming. It is his charitable works for which I admire him.
  • Tigger Too Ambassa... 2012/06/13 05:55:08
    Tigger Too
    Oh, I will never question Rev. Billy Graham's Christianity, nor even his son Franklin's, and I give their church major props for working along with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and other charitable organizations around the world to help others. However, I still hate Franklin Graham's interference in political matters.
  • Kronan_1 Ambassa... 2012/06/12 18:31:09 (edited)
    Kronan_1
    +1
    In hind sight I could have used Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker,Oral Roberts ,even though he built a University in Oklahoma, or a host of others. Looking at the home that came up when I typed it in , He really doesn't have that much of a home for the money. And no, he's the only televangalist that hasn't had scandal. Maybe he praticed what he preached?????
  • Ambassa... Kronan_1 2012/06/12 18:52:22
    Ambassador II
    +2
    Yes, you could have used any name but Dr. Graham and come up with scandal or sheer madness.
  • Kronan_1 Ambassa... 2012/06/12 18:59:10
    Kronan_1
    +1
    I agree withyou on that . I just have a dislike ,not hatred, for Billy Graham. Trouble is I can't really explain why. I just do.
  • Ambassa... Kronan_1 2012/06/12 19:09:48 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    +2
    Perhaps, like me, you are not attracted to his "message" - the single story that he repeated over and over to more than 100 million persons who attended his "Revivals". But, that is what he chose, and it was very popular for a long time. His personal character stands as a monument to what a "Christian" should be and a life well lived without any detracting flaws. Frankly, I thought Bev Shea and Cliff Barrows and the choirs were greater attractions than Billy Graham, but that is because I love music so much.

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