Parishioners Support North Carolina Pastor’s Plan To Kill Off LGBT People. Is This The Christian Thing To Do?
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2012/06/10 17:22:14
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Last month, North Carolina Pastor Charles Worley made headlines with his remarks that he would rid the world of all LGBT people by putting them behind electrified fences in concentration camps and waiting for them to die off. Now, the church’s parishioners are backing up Worley’s remarks. In an interview with local news outlet WCNC, parishioners say that Worley is "trying to save those people from going to Hell," while another declares, "The Bible says they’re worthy of death."
IS THIS THE CHRISTIAN THING TO DO?
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★earthbound_misfit★ 2012/06/11 04:59:37NO! Christians think LGBT people deserve to live and go to Heaven.
+3REAL Christians want LGBT people to be saved and go to heaven, just like everyone. We are ALL sinners and worthy of death, but Jesus came so we don't have to die. Jesus never preached killing off anyone...he preached spreading the Good News.
1. The Bible teaches that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Some of us sin in more obvious ways, and the Bible does teach that the LGBT lifestyle is sinful, but it also teaches that we are not to set ourselves up as the judge of our fellow man. "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Or, let the person who has not himself sinned punish his fellow man. We are ALL sinners, and we have no place judging and punishing our fellow man.
2. The Bible teaches that God will judge sinners for their sinfulness. "The wages of sin is death." We will all die and go to hell unless we find a way to make peace with God through the forgiveness of sin. This includes LGBT and straight alike; all sin is worthy of death, and if it is not forgiven, God will punish it. God MUST punish unforgiven sin.
3. Because God loved us, He sent His Son to die in our place and receive the wages of our sin on Himself so that we could be forgiven. Someone had to be punished, but His love made a way for us to escape eternal punishment through the substitutionary death of Christ, who knew no sin, but became sin for us, that we through Him might be righteous.
4. We can receive the gift of e...
1. The Bible teaches that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Some of us sin in more obvious ways, and the Bible does teach that the LGBT lifestyle is sinful, but it also teaches that we are not to set ourselves up as the judge of our fellow man. "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Or, let the person who has not himself sinned punish his fellow man. We are ALL sinners, and we have no place judging and punishing our fellow man.
2. The Bible teaches that God will judge sinners for their sinfulness. "The wages of sin is death." We will all die and go to hell unless we find a way to make peace with God through the forgiveness of sin. This includes LGBT and straight alike; all sin is worthy of death, and if it is not forgiven, God will punish it. God MUST punish unforgiven sin.
3. Because God loved us, He sent His Son to die in our place and receive the wages of our sin on Himself so that we could be forgiven. Someone had to be punished, but His love made a way for us to escape eternal punishment through the substitutionary death of Christ, who knew no sin, but became sin for us, that we through Him might be righteous.
4. We can receive the gift of eternal life by turning from our sins, be they the LGBT lifestyle, or merely pride and self-will, and accepting Christ's payment for our sin. When we receive Christ and His forgiveness, He gives us the power to become sons of God, destined for heaven and eternal life after this life is over. This transformation causes us to pass from death to life, and we live anew during this life, as well as in the next.
God is not willing that anyone should go to hell, but that all should turn away from their sins and accept Christ's freely offered gift of eternal life. This is what the Bible teaches about LGBT and all other sinful lifestyles.
Oh.
That bit appears to be missing...
Perhaps it was in one of the documents in Rome that were not included n the Bible because Emporer Constatine thought it was unimportant...
In that case it will be in the Vatican Archives. Perhaps we should ask to see them all?
He also said that the old ways did not apply and adopt the life and customs of the gentiles..
Unless we have the full text of what he said we are never go to know are we?
What does it say about pride, arrogance and editing?
English Standard Version (ESV)
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
The Apostle Paul, who studied with Christ in the desert for 3 years, stated the purpose of the Law: the law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. It existed that "every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world might be guilty before God." It was to show us our own sinful inadequacy, and the need for redemption.
Furthermore, you can't show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where Christ EVER said to adopt the customs of the Greeks. Paul made a remark about "becoming all things to all men," but that doesn't mean adopting the wicked traditions of the pagan Greeks. The entire passage talks about very different things indeed; "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." 1 Cor 9:20-2...
The Apostle Paul, who studied with Christ in the desert for 3 years, stated the purpose of the Law: the law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. It existed that "every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world might be guilty before God." It was to show us our own sinful inadequacy, and the need for redemption.
Furthermore, you can't show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where Christ EVER said to adopt the customs of the Greeks. Paul made a remark about "becoming all things to all men," but that doesn't mean adopting the wicked traditions of the pagan Greeks. The entire passage talks about very different things indeed; "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." 1 Cor 9:20-22. Notice that he is "under the Law to Christ." Christ fulfilled the law, and in Him we also fulfill the law. All Paul was talking about was understanding the cultural background of the people to whom he was ministering, and tailoring his message accordingly.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Context is extremely important as you quite rightly say. The only way to get the correct context was to have been standing in the shoes of the man who heard it..
The message of Christ was about peace would you agree?
In order to do that you have to unify a people not divide them.
Before the council of Nicaea, there was the Torah and a lot of documents in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
Only a few were selected for inclusion. What happened to the rest?
Christ is the great unifier, and also the great divider. Only in Christ are we one. Outside of Christ, we are destined to fragment. "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." Luke 12:51-53
Beware of false unity; usually those who call for it are charlatans who pervert the Gospel.
Constantine was a Roman, He did not convert to Christianity until his death/ Who were the others that decided that these things were factually incorrect and that we needn't worry about them?
Did they not have an agenda?
Matthew and the Ephesians were very clear. Jesus was preaching peace and inclusion.
"Divide and Conquer" is, and always has been, the way to control a people - and this was the principle that Christ was fighting to promote peace.
"What is truth"?
"Yours is different from mine".
Many of those sitting on the council of Nicaea were not Christian, including Constatine, but Roman. It was taiilored to appeal to the citizens of Rome in an attempt to pacify the religious argumants that were tearing the empire apart from the inside.
Jesus (the son of man) was "deified" at this point at the insistance of the Romans as they felt that there would be no way that a people accustomed to worshipping many Gods would accept Him if they did not.
You are a skeptic, and nothing I can say will convince you of anything, because you believe that the very Word of Truth is erroneous. I have showed you Truth, and you reject Him. It is He that will judge you, not I; I, for one, pity you on that day. "Be ye not many masters, knowing that ye shall receive the greater condemnation."
I also believe that you are mistaken in the interpretation that you are placing on the scripture and certainly it does not correspond to the opinon of great number of ecuminical scholars in the Church of England or Rome.
I question the fact that you are not judgemental for your "pity" shows that your clearly are.
"Being one with God" is also a state of grace is it not?
I would humbly suggest that you raise your head out of a book that has been interpreted for you and think for yourself for once.
Start by asking the question "What would Jesus do?", then ask yourself how it is that the important questions that would have been as important in Judae in 30AD and would certainly have placed to Him, never made it into the New Testament.
Questions about sex, love and marriage.
It is also interesting to note that when asked questions to which you have no answer, that you make veiled threats about my soul.
Please do not worry about it, it is unstained and I remain as open minded and questioning as a child.
I make no threats to your soul, but I only warn you that God can and will judge your eternal destiny by your relationship, or lack thereof, with His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer. If you do have a relationship with Christ, He will also judge your reward by your adherence, or lack thereof, to the commandments of the Bible, which I might add, "are not grievous."
My advice to you is to put your head back in the book, and keep it there until you meet the One who wrote it personally, and your life will never be the same, in a most excellent way.
Why is that?
If you want to place higher weight on so-called gospels that have been discredited both by scholars and history than the Canonical Gospels, go ahead, but you will end up with a very distorted view of God, which it seems has already happened, from prior discussion with you.