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Fef 2012/07/24 20:00:00
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California's public schools have faced serious operational challenges due to the state's budget woes. The parents decided they had enough with the poor performance of their local public school. They filed enough petitions under the "parent trigger" to take over the school.

The judge accepted the petition and ordered the school district to hand the school over to the parents. State Senator Gloria Romero (Democrat 24th District) drafted the "parent trigger" law in 2011 to help families in "chronically underperforming" schools.

KTLA.COM reports:
ADELANTO, Calif. -- In an historic move, parents in the community of Adelanto will become the first in the nation to seize control of a failing public school under a controversial "parent trigger" law.

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  • ray 2012/07/24 11:38:21
    Yes
    ray
    +8
    What a great Idea ! Home Schooling with the resources of the government .
    The "EXPERTS " have failed , results based education similar to free market forces .
    Deliver superior service or be removed from the position , It's all good.

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  • SJG Andrew 2012/07/25 23:23:59
    SJG
    There is no intelligent argument for someone who says parents can do a better job then school boards. It is ludicrous statement. So, if you think parents can do a better job, then I still have a bridge to sell you.
  • Andrew SJG 2012/07/26 01:07:53
    Andrew
    What do you think school boards are made up of, aliens? Sometimes, I think you Progressives (Regressives) have literally put your head in a blender. You actually ignore the fact that school boards are every day Americans who happened to convince enough local people to trust their judgment regarding education. But, the more they fail in teaching the "Three R's" and venture into teaching their "brave new world" farce, the less those same people will trust them!
  • SJG Andrew 2012/07/26 11:51:55
    SJG
    School boards do not teach! They are there as advocates for the children who have NO representation and who have to react to the whims of the administrators and teachers. They ask the questions that many parents can't either due to work or other schedules. In most cases they want what they think is best for the children. From there it falls apart when administrators and teachers do what they think is best for themselves and their unions. The true issue here is the failure of the NEA who's main goal is to collect union dues and spend it on themselves and programs to tell us how good a job they are doing. Parents may be able to home school their own children but are not qualified to develop curriculum, review and order books or understand new technology requirements. As a group, parents will serve the children even more poorly than our current educators. And as I have asked before, what parents will teach children in poorer communities? And who will address those children with special needs? Education in the U.S. needs a major overhaul!
  • Andrew SJG 2012/07/26 20:20:31
    Andrew
    Yeah! Now tell me how underfunded they are and how our Federal government needs more power over them!
  • Scandalf 2012/07/25 07:20:10
    Yes
    Scandalf
    +1
    As long as they employ qualified teachers, not Creationist nutjobs!
  • Joe 2012/07/25 07:15:18
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/07/25 07:07:15
    Yes
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    Now just hoping they aren't a bunch of lefties that continue the poor eduction.
  • SJG Hula gi... 2012/07/25 11:48:27
    SJG
    Are these the same lefties that hold the higher levels of degrees than the 'righties'?
  • Hula gi... SJG 2012/07/25 19:45:55
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    No but it's California and since they use the revisionist California text books then you get what you feed them. Dumb in...dumb out.
  • SJG Hula gi... 2012/07/25 23:25:04
    SJG
    Revisionist California text books???? Care to expound?
  • Hula gi... SJG 2012/07/26 01:27:43
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    There are two major text book systems in the USA that schools use, the Texas Standard and the California Standards. The Texas Standard has now had most of the books corrected to reflect true historical facts not the revisionist history that started to change in the early 1900's by Progressives. The California Standards not only lean far left but also lean pro gay and definitely Revisionist. The major changes in the text books were changed by a man and wife text book writing team that were Progressives and they rewrote them in the later 1930's. That's when children started learning that the founders were fed up with taxation and that's when the Boston Tea Party and other events came more to the forefront and God took a back seat or no seat at all as they "progressed". They literally took sentences out of documents so it would read differently. Parents were busy surviving not worry what a kids text book said. When the next text books came along they just copied what was there in the last one and then expanded on what was going on in the world and in their State. So the Revisionist game was on.

    If you read the Declaration of Independence as the generations prior to the revisionist books had those growing up knew the founders and knew their wives and they knew they were Godly men ...



    There are two major text book systems in the USA that schools use, the Texas Standard and the California Standards. The Texas Standard has now had most of the books corrected to reflect true historical facts not the revisionist history that started to change in the early 1900's by Progressives. The California Standards not only lean far left but also lean pro gay and definitely Revisionist. The major changes in the text books were changed by a man and wife text book writing team that were Progressives and they rewrote them in the later 1930's. That's when children started learning that the founders were fed up with taxation and that's when the Boston Tea Party and other events came more to the forefront and God took a back seat or no seat at all as they "progressed". They literally took sentences out of documents so it would read differently. Parents were busy surviving not worry what a kids text book said. When the next text books came along they just copied what was there in the last one and then expanded on what was going on in the world and in their State. So the Revisionist game was on.

    If you read the Declaration of Independence as the generations prior to the revisionist books had those growing up knew the founders and knew their wives and they knew they were Godly men and had founding this country on Godly Principles. The Progressives deliberately change that. That is when the preaching of Separation of Church and State was taken out of context and children and adults alike believe that to be Gospel but that was not the founders meaning nor intent. In fact the very first American Bible printed in the USA was by Congress for the use in the Schools. My mom had hers in school and that's how they use to learn to read but also the morals and how to treat one another.

    The Texas Standard which most of the country prefers now have the new text books coming out correcting mistakes and showing all points of view not only Evolution as only California teaches but also Creation as Evolution is just a Theory not proven fact.

    California Standards are so poor that a kid doesn't stand a chance at the truth.
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  • SJG Hula gi... 2012/07/26 11:54:27
    SJG
    Oh now I get it, another radical Conservative bigot. Have a good day.
  • Hula gi... SJG 2012/07/26 18:24:00
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    No it's another well read, well informed person that believes true historical fact is better than revisionist crap with a change in our history's foundation.

    Since you seem to be raised on the revisionist crap who's the one with the agenda....not me dear....learn your countries true history then get back to me. Idiot. No wonder California schools are failing.
  • John Walker II 2012/07/25 06:54:50
    Yes
    John Walker II
    +1
    Those parents have a lot at stake. Their children.
  • Sophie 2012/07/25 06:33:47
    Yes
    Sophie
    +1
    I am sure the parents can certainly make a positive contribution. Why can't they keep the good and passionate teachers and move forward with the collective ideas of both? Work together people! Isn't that what we always heard as kids? classroom
  • Karl 2012/07/25 06:21:46
    No
    Karl
    +1
    Darn it! I meant to hit yes. Administrators just seem to care about their paycheck. Parents are actually concerned with the future of their kids.
  • SJG Karl 2012/07/25 11:49:20
    SJG
    +1
    Ever ask a room full of parents how the educational process should work? You get 10 different answers!!!!
  • disclaimer 2012/07/25 05:45:48
    Yes
    disclaimer
    +1
    It can't be worse, at any rate.
  • Ken 2012/07/25 05:23:44
    Yes
    Ken
  • Lord Emperor of Dune 2012/07/25 05:15:20
    Yes
    Lord Emperor of Dune
    +2
    Well, unless they are like the Commiefornians who have willingly bent themselves over the proverbial table and invited the Nanny State into their lives, then yes. The Federal government has BRIBED their way into public education in a way that few who are not involved could even imagine. It's bad. If you are not a liberal and your kids are in public school, then the moment they get there ALL of your family values are compromised. Marriage before sex? Homosexuality? Drug addicts and criminals not people who have made bad choices but instead are victims of society? Denial of personal accountability? It's bad. Really bad. Bad enough that even the liberals might be upset if they knew what was happening... So even if these mommies were people who barely graduated high school, as long as they can read, do simple arithmetic, and have a sense of right versus wrong these kids will be in better hands.
  • volley15 2012/07/25 05:12:17
    Yes
    volley15
    +1
    Although there are a lot of variables. Are the teachers still going to be there (one would think they would be seeing as it's a national requirement to be certified in education in any public or private school) or are the parents just taking over the administration?
  • Libertys Martyr 2012/07/25 05:08:47
    Yes
    Libertys Martyr
    +1
    The more done at the local level the better. Parents are SUPPOSED to be involved in the educating of their child!
  • nightcrawler2005 2012/07/25 04:52:52
    Yes
    nightcrawler2005
    +1
    Go for it. It's obvious the state is incapable of running the school properly so they can hardly do a worse job.
  • Franklin 2012/07/25 04:45:18
    Yes
    Franklin
    +1
    one thing is for dam sure , there is no way for them to do worse than the so called experts ! but lets get real the UNION goons will kill every one of them and burn the school to the ground with the kids in it if they think those parents are making any progress !
    I am not inferring that teachers are HEARLESS communist MONSTERS motivated only by own GREED and self interest ...I am stating it as a FACT! LOL@publicworkerunions ( they must all die -its us or them!)
  • john doe 2012/07/25 04:43:22
    Yes
    john doe
    +1
    Communities know what their kids need more than the state or federal government.
  • Justin Teufel Hunden 2012/07/25 04:38:04 (edited)
    No
    Justin Teufel Hunden
    +1
    SoCal state of mind may be bad. Our education system needs an overhaul. Our government enjoys the power of keeping the ignorant steered in whichever direction they desire. History is forgotten.
  • the_old_coach 2012/07/25 04:36:41
    No
    the_old_coach
    +3
    Not unless the parents are teachers. If they aren't, they better make sure that the students aren't harmed.

    Maybe when they get into the school they will find out just how hard the profession is.

    Good luck: you're going to need it.
  • Franklin the_old... 2012/07/25 04:49:32
  • the_old... Franklin 2012/07/25 04:56:09
    the_old_coach
    +2
    Dude, you need mental health care...
  • TARDISgirl Franklin 2012/07/25 06:38:28
    TARDISgirl
    +2
    I'm sorry, but I'm extremely offended by your statement.

    My mom is a teacher. She loves her job; she loves teaching. Not for the paycheck or for the time off, but because she knows that she's bettering these children's lives--giving them more knowledge so that they have more options in life. Do you honestly think that teachers are payed well? Are you aware that teachers pay for most school supplies out of their own pocket? Few teachers do what they do for the salary. There are some teachers who genuinely love teaching, who are talented educators, and who wholeheartedly care for the welfare of the children in their classrooms!
  • Ben Franklin 2012/07/25 12:23:23
    Ben
    +2
    And you know all of this how? Long hours and hard work working alongside teachers? How good a teacher could you be picked off the street when you can't even spell simple words or use capital letters?
  • John Wa... the_old... 2012/07/25 06:59:25
    John Walker II
    Who ever sad they would be the ones doing the teaching? At least in this case, when there's a parent teacher conference, the teacher doesn't get the option to just dismiss the parent's opinion as stupid like mine did. Under the parents rule, not only is it a parent techer conference, it's ALSO a talk with your employer who's paid you to teach the kid right! And if the parent disagrees with the reasons, then that's the time to prove you actually know your degree, or get proven to be a fraud who only crammed to get past the exams.
  • the_old... John Wa... 2012/07/25 16:08:30
    the_old_coach
    +1
    I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. YOUR kid isn't the only kid in the class, you know? I'm so sure that child is "bright" and "wide awake" and "ready to learn" with a "full belly" and "nice, clean clothes."

    Look, teachers are educated, professional, hard-working, and trained to do their jobs. Your comment, "And if the parent disagrees with the reasons...," tells me a lot about your angst in the response you just made. It tells me that, as a good parent, you've gone in and TOLD the committee HOW to do their jobs: And it doesn't work that way.

    It's great to love your kids--I have kids, too--but part of loving your kids is to recognize that they are all different and that they all LEARN differently. There isn't a SINGLE strategy to teach ALL children. It takes multiple strategies, in use at the same time, in the same classroom, and provided by a trained professional.

    Parents who are really involved with their children probably DO talk with teachers and work out some strategies together, and that works to some degree: We try to be as consistent as we can. We can, though, only do so much.

    We aren't the student's first teacher: That IS the PARENT. We aren't hired to RAISE your child, and there's the disconnect that I see most these days. This never happened before, but I he...





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    I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. YOUR kid isn't the only kid in the class, you know? I'm so sure that child is "bright" and "wide awake" and "ready to learn" with a "full belly" and "nice, clean clothes."

    Look, teachers are educated, professional, hard-working, and trained to do their jobs. Your comment, "And if the parent disagrees with the reasons...," tells me a lot about your angst in the response you just made. It tells me that, as a good parent, you've gone in and TOLD the committee HOW to do their jobs: And it doesn't work that way.

    It's great to love your kids--I have kids, too--but part of loving your kids is to recognize that they are all different and that they all LEARN differently. There isn't a SINGLE strategy to teach ALL children. It takes multiple strategies, in use at the same time, in the same classroom, and provided by a trained professional.

    Parents who are really involved with their children probably DO talk with teachers and work out some strategies together, and that works to some degree: We try to be as consistent as we can. We can, though, only do so much.

    We aren't the student's first teacher: That IS the PARENT. We aren't hired to RAISE your child, and there's the disconnect that I see most these days. This never happened before, but I hear it more and more in meetings, that we aren't raising THEIR child to THEIR expectations. Teachers TEACH a subject, we don't RAISE your child: Don't expect that we will.

    ALSO, once children are out of grade school, they don't have a single teacher anymore. Elementary school teachers have a degree in Elementary education: They teach everything on a basic level, such as Music, Social Studies, Math, Science, Language Arts. This is usually K-6 or K-8 in some states.

    However, MOST states for grades 7-12 require that a teacher have a degree in a specific subject such as History, and a corresponding Teacher certificate in that subject area. Their are no "frauds who crammed their exams," it is a multiple-class, minimum 24 credit-hour process to gain the teaching certification (24 credit hours = 8, 3 credit-hour classes, each class a semester long). Then we take the certification exam, which is either 4 or 6 hours long, depending on the exam. There is also a semester-long Student teacher internship to be taken before the exam.

    I have been teaching over 20 years. I have BA/History, with minors in English and Science, a triple endorsed teaching certificate for 7-12 Social Studies, Language Arts, and Science, and teach all three subject areas. I also have 2 management certifications, an A/AS-Aviation Maintenance Degree with my FAA A&P certification, a Master's Degree in Geology, and a Master's Degree in Education Administration. I also have been an athletic coach though I am retired from coaching now.

    I arrive at school at 7 a.m. and I leave at 7 p.m. I teach Astronomy and Geology from 7-3, then teach English, History, and Science from 3-7 in our Alternative High School classes, where I also serve as the Principal. We have 700 students at our high school.

    I am responsible for lesson planning for all subjects, plus attending meetings and conferences, in-house trainings, and I also teach Summer school for a month after school ends. I get 3 weeks off, go back for a weeks's worth of training in what we call the Summer Institute, and get another week off to set up my room, get my first semester lesson plans ready, and then we start school for the Fall semester. THIS IS WHAT MANY TEACHERS DO.

    I CANNOT understand why people disparage teachers all the time: it makes NO sense to me. It IS a difficult job. We are required to be educated at GREAT expense, yet everyone wants to gripe about how "much" money we make. No one gripes about a PLUMBER charging $65/hour, but I only make $35/hour. THAT'S WITH ALL OF THE EDUCATION I AM REQUIRED TO OBTAIN.

    ALL other fields that require this much education pay MUCH more than teachers: So WHAT is the malfunction here?

    Frankly, I am sick and tired of all the teacher-bashing. It IS NOT deserved.
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  • John Wa... the_old... 2012/07/26 15:18:53
    John Walker II
    +1
    I agree with the statements about teacher bashing not being deserved. I never said that they were wrong but if I disagree, I want to know what their reasoning is. Give me a chance to understand why it is you do what you do because I'll be the first to admit, I don't know everything I need to know to be a good teacher.

    As a parent, I'm a subject matter expert in one area, my child. Not in math or any such other topic, so yes it has to be a cooperative effort. And I'll be the first to admit that my kids are not always bright eyed and bushy tailed either, and all three have learning disabilities. that doesn't make it easier but I've ran into too many teachers who dismissed my opinion out of hand.

    So if I came off as a bit dismissive myself, I do apologize. I generally try to give people a fair chance but if it looks like I'm going to be flat out ignored because I don't have a teaching degree.... yea, things go down hill.

    My wife works in California's teacher credentialing office, and is well understood to me what process they have to go through to get those rights to teach.

    Teachers should be one of the highest paid professions in my opinion.
  • the_old... John Wa... 2012/07/27 00:01:58
    the_old_coach
    Thank you for a credible response.

    And I will say this: I defend the teaching profession AS A WHOLE because of responses like some I see that are way past what we might name as "snarky."

    The truth is, though, that at least 30% of the teachers I've known ARE the people others complain about. These people need to find another profession. I mean it, too. They are not good teachers, not good people, or worse, BOTH. They are an embarrassment to teaching, and sadly, the ones EVERYONE remembers when this subject comes up.

    There are 7 million teachers in the United States: 30% of that would be 2.1M. That's a lot. They need to be replaced. But disbanding the NEA and the AFT is not the way. Parents taking over schools isn't the way. There's a better dialogue to have.

    I venture to say that every profession has exactly the same underperforming people: doctors, lawyers, engineers, firemen, policemen, and so on. When I look at the news, I see that all of them are under "attack" as well. It seems like EVERYONE who is not a SERVICE PROVIDER is complaining about service providers!

    We have become very mean and nasty in our country to OTHER people...it's sad.

    Thank you again for a credible response. As you can read through all of the replies on these pages, not everyone will agree.

    I have a tough t...
    Thank you for a credible response.

    And I will say this: I defend the teaching profession AS A WHOLE because of responses like some I see that are way past what we might name as "snarky."

    The truth is, though, that at least 30% of the teachers I've known ARE the people others complain about. These people need to find another profession. I mean it, too. They are not good teachers, not good people, or worse, BOTH. They are an embarrassment to teaching, and sadly, the ones EVERYONE remembers when this subject comes up.

    There are 7 million teachers in the United States: 30% of that would be 2.1M. That's a lot. They need to be replaced. But disbanding the NEA and the AFT is not the way. Parents taking over schools isn't the way. There's a better dialogue to have.

    I venture to say that every profession has exactly the same underperforming people: doctors, lawyers, engineers, firemen, policemen, and so on. When I look at the news, I see that all of them are under "attack" as well. It seems like EVERYONE who is not a SERVICE PROVIDER is complaining about service providers!

    We have become very mean and nasty in our country to OTHER people...it's sad.

    Thank you again for a credible response. As you can read through all of the replies on these pages, not everyone will agree.

    I have a tough time dealing with the incredible amount of hate and bile and animosity directed at public school teachers who for the most part are loyal, dedicated, hard-working individuals dealing with 120-150 students per day with every kind of problem in the world present in the classrooms and hallways of every school in the United States.
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  • John Wa... the_old... 2012/07/27 00:12:34
    John Walker II
    +1
    I'm not sure what would be the best way to go about it.. but that 30% you cites... I'm sorry, but by some mechanism they have to be replaced.

    I remember my own 6th grade teacher who stood there and watched as I was getting beaten up by bullies, and yet wouldn't do anything until someone else came by and called security. Then she appeared to care.

    Granted, she is the absolute worst example that I can think of and probably one that far outstrips most of that 30% that have to be replaced... but those kind of teachers are in there.

    They have to be replaced, removed, forcibly retired... tenure my ass. There's no excuse to keep those kind of people around.

    I wish you better luck in dealing with parents who may not understand, as you do a service. I can understand in part as I've had a bit of the same treatment since I'm a vet and had people chew me out for fighting in 'his' war... Clinton, Bush, Obama... didn't matter who was the commander in chief at the time. I was barked at for being in the service under him.

    In a word, ungrateful.
  • Iamfree 2012/07/25 04:34:52
    Yes
    Iamfree
    +1
    Isn't it worth a try?
  • Franklin Iamfree 2012/07/25 04:52:01
    Franklin
    +1
    honestly kids would probably learn more if we locked them in an empty room for 6 hours a day ...anything is worth a try but how are you going to get rid of the 2.2 trillion dollar a year political MONEY pump the liberals have built that we call the educational system LOL they already fail half the kids and threaten to do a worse job if we don't give them 10% more every single year ......
  • Vis Vires 2012/07/25 04:29:53
    Yes
    Vis Vires
    +1
    Yes, but it depends. California is very liberal. It would depend on what they intend to teach, and who would decide? Morality has sunk so low in this country, I fear making a judgment call unless I knew what the curriculum would be.
  • Franklin Vis Vires 2012/07/25 04:54:05
    Franklin
    in California all they need to learn to graduate from high school is the basic history of Mexico and Cuba (Castro's version that is ) and how to register to vote as a democrat and sign up for Food Stamps ! LOL

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