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Parents Poised to Take Over Failing SoCal School: Best for Kids?

Fef 2012/07/24 20:00:00
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California's public schools have faced serious operational challenges due to the state's budget woes. The parents decided they had enough with the poor performance of their local public school. They filed enough petitions under the "parent trigger" to take over the school.

The judge accepted the petition and ordered the school district to hand the school over to the parents. State Senator Gloria Romero (Democrat 24th District) drafted the "parent trigger" law in 2011 to help families in "chronically underperforming" schools.

KTLA.COM reports:
ADELANTO, Calif. -- In an historic move, parents in the community of Adelanto will become the first in the nation to seize control of a failing public school under a controversial "parent trigger" law.

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  • ray 2012/07/24 11:38:21
    Yes
    ray
    +8
    What a great Idea ! Home Schooling with the resources of the government .
    The "EXPERTS " have failed , results based education similar to free market forces .
    Deliver superior service or be removed from the position , It's all good.

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  • Wayne 2012/07/25 15:29:29
    Yes
    Wayne
    +1
    They could certainly run them better than the current system is.
  • WGN Wayne 2012/07/25 18:53:21
    WGN
    That is doubtful!
  • Wayne WGN 2012/08/05 20:38:52
    Wayne
    Really, home schooled children always have better test scores.than public schools.
  • WGN Wayne 2012/08/06 00:38:43
    WGN
    +1
    Yes, but they have a smaller sample of data. If you took away all the special ed., adhd, problem, minority, underfed, etc. children from the public schools and tested only those that were left, the test scores would be about the same.
    The predominate home schooled kids are white from middle to upper middle class families. If I tested only that group in public school, the results would be very similar.
    You can not compare a small secluded sample with a large totally culturally/socially/economically diverse group.
    Compare apples to apples and you would see results that are just about the same.
  • Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 15:29:01
    Yes
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    I would hope so, but I'm not certain how many of those parents know how difficult teaching/planning/testing is. In my community, a well respected retired geologist decided to teach math to sixth graders. He was horrible and horribly frustrated. He lasted one year, and this was in a very good school .

    In my child's math class, during parent visitation week, I watched his young teacher run rotating math groups with the precision of a drill instuctor. Every kid in a class of 29 knew his role and his task to contribute to a finished math project. Each had to then communicate how he/she arrived at the answers. Very impressive.

    Those parents now have 30 days to work with the district to overhaul Desert Trails Elementary School in Adelanto or begin the process of selecting a charter school proposal. I'm guessing they will go with the charter school proposal.
  • WGN Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 18:55:55
    WGN
    I am guessing that there will be no improvement in the kids education within the next school year.
  • Tom 2012/07/25 15:21:35
  • w2xad 2012/07/25 15:15:41
    No
    w2xad
    +1
    What about poor performing students. Teachers and school districts can not do squat unless the PARENT S do something. Lets blame the school district.
  • WGN w2xad 2012/07/25 18:58:35
    WGN
    Let's blame the parents who already have too much say as to what and how the kids learn. Parents DO NOT know what is best, in terms of education, for their kids. These same parents are also going to be the kid's doctors and dentists, as they know so much?
    Get real!
  • w2xad WGN 2012/07/26 14:36:36
    w2xad
    The buck stops with the parents. Then parents should stay out of running a school since they have too much to say or do. You argue for no reason just simply to argue. I am glad you were not my mother and father raised by you my life would be a failure.
  • WGN w2xad 2012/07/27 10:40:53
    WGN
    Sorry, but both my kids are quite successful, are loving parents to their kids and get along very well in the world. They both went to public school as their kids do, and my grand kids are intelligent and well adjusted.
    If you were one of my kids, you would be as well informed as they are.
  • w2xad WGN 2012/07/27 16:38:47
    w2xad
    Parents that don't get involved with their childrens education will cause failure.
    I wish I could live in your la la land of perfection. Kids skip school here the parents do not care and the school district still gets blamed.
  • WGN w2xad 2012/07/27 18:48:48
    WGN
    That is just what I have been saying. Parents need to make kids go to school (that is parental support), but not to interfere with what is taught or how it is taught, or how the school is run.
    And you are correct, the school gets blamed for what any sane and rational parent should be doing but isn't.
  • w2xad WGN 2012/07/27 23:36:55
    w2xad
    I agree with you 100 percent. The school issue blinds me because of the high taxes we pay and the lack of results. Please accept my apology for being angry and blind.
  • Donald Eric Kesler 2012/07/25 15:13:41
    No
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    The children will learn how evolutions is a lie, how the Grand Canyon is the result of Noah's flood and that black people enjoyed being enslaved.
  • MadAsHEck Donald ... 2012/07/25 15:36:35 (edited)
  • seadog6... MadAsHEck 2012/07/25 16:08:58
  • Donald ... MadAsHEck 2012/07/25 16:37:43
    Donald Eric Kesler
    I hope you are correct.
  • MadAsHEck Donald ... 2012/07/25 20:09:09
    MadAsHEck
    Unless you have taught, you have no clue. Which I did for some years.

    Good teachers open a kids eyes to learning, and let them seek the path they choose to follow. As to Religeon, it was never a subject in my experience in the Public system.

    That was up to the parents after we let them go in the afternmoon. Too bad however more parents do not think it important for children to abide by religeous guidance in their lives.

    Perhaps we would have fewer Psychos running around with the morals of a Pig.
  • Donald ... MadAsHEck 2012/07/25 22:05:11
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    You wrote, "Too bad however more parents do not think it important for children to abide by religeous guidance in their lives."

    I've yet to see anything to support the claim that following religion provides a positive moral framework. Anecdotally, I've observed that many use their religion only as a way to justify their existing biases.

    You wrote, "Perhaps we would have fewer Psychos running around with the morals of a Pig."

    There is a difference between those who are mentally disturbed and those who are immoral.
  • MadAsHEck Donald ... 2012/07/25 22:18:25 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    Another aethiest in the mix I see. And entitled to your opinion as well.

    But that's your right. I personally got good guidance from my spiritual relations with religeon, and I would suppose many more in here feel the same.

    Good morals are taught from Childhood. And raising 5 well adjusted kids in a Religeous environment contributed to all of them becoming successful and well rounded adults. Not a bad record actually. And they as well are raising families with good moral values based on their faith.

    When I see some of the young families torn apart by divorce, kids in Foster care, or abused. Etc. Etc It makes me wonder if perhaps a bit of religeon, and self morality might have helped.
  • Donald ... MadAsHEck 2012/07/26 08:32:21
    Donald Eric Kesler
    You are a moral person. I suspect you would have raised your children to act in a moral manner regardless of your religious beliefs.
  • Angelat... Donald ... 2012/07/25 16:56:03
    Angelatxpatriot
    Wow.
  • Donald ... Angelat... 2012/07/25 19:16:30
    Donald Eric Kesler
    Indeed.
  • WGN Donald ... 2012/07/25 18:59:53
    WGN
    Only if the schools are run by the ignorant zombies of the radical christian right!
  • Donald ... WGN 2012/07/25 19:16:48
    Donald Eric Kesler
    That would be my concern.
  • WGN Donald ... 2012/07/25 19:19:24
    WGN
    +1
    As it is mine. Any group with an agenda should not be allowed to educate children. That goes for church Sunday school as well.
  • Titanium X 2012/07/25 14:56:47
    No
    Titanium X
    +3
    Can a Muslim parent come into a Christian class room and be expected to teach any better ? Or what about a parent with a criminal record and limited education themselves ? In light of their fiscal problems, being the parent doesn't automatically equal a great educational leader nor does a teacher other than a parent equal a poor one.
  • Angelat... Titanium X 2012/07/25 16:57:15
    Angelatxpatriot
    +2
    Nor does a degree make you a better teacher. Nor does a public school make a better learning environment.
  • WGN Angelat... 2012/07/25 19:14:42
    WGN
    +1
    Nor does home schooling produce a better learner. Most kids do much better in a public school learning environment. Home schooling is not fine for everybody.

    And, if you gave a teacher 2 or 3 kids to a class, with no behavioral problems (as you have in home schooling), their scores would improve.

    Do a test, give a home school mom or dad, 25 kids, 5 with behavioral problems, 2 with ADHD, 4 who don't get a good (if any) breakfast, and a set curriculum that they had to finish in 5 subjects (Math, Science, English, History and a foreign language) and we will see just how the test scores woud compare.
    It is real easy to blame the public schools when you compare teaching 1 or 2 students to teaching 25 or more at the same time.

    On testing home school verses public school:
    * Students who take these tests are self-selecting, so we don't know if homeschoolers overall are doing better than other students. But all SAT and ACT takers are self-selecting regardless of how they were schooled. However, there is no way to know if homeschoolers are taking these tests at a lower or higher rate than public or private school students.
    * If broken down by demographics, homeschoolers may not fare so well. Homeschoolers tend to come from higher earning and better educated families, which may account f...
    Nor does home schooling produce a better learner. Most kids do much better in a public school learning environment. Home schooling is not fine for everybody.

    And, if you gave a teacher 2 or 3 kids to a class, with no behavioral problems (as you have in home schooling), their scores would improve.

    Do a test, give a home school mom or dad, 25 kids, 5 with behavioral problems, 2 with ADHD, 4 who don't get a good (if any) breakfast, and a set curriculum that they had to finish in 5 subjects (Math, Science, English, History and a foreign language) and we will see just how the test scores woud compare.
    It is real easy to blame the public schools when you compare teaching 1 or 2 students to teaching 25 or more at the same time.

    On testing home school verses public school:
    * Students who take these tests are self-selecting, so we don't know if homeschoolers overall are doing better than other students. But all SAT and ACT takers are self-selecting regardless of how they were schooled. However, there is no way to know if homeschoolers are taking these tests at a lower or higher rate than public or private school students.
    * If broken down by demographics, homeschoolers may not fare so well. Homeschoolers tend to come from higher earning and better educated families, which may account for the higher scores.
    * Sampling is sometimes done to compare homeschoolers to public school students. Critics point out that successful homeschooling parents may be more likely to allow their children to be tested than less successful homeschoolers.
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  • Titanium X Angelat... 2012/08/08 13:06:08
    Titanium X
    I never said it did.
  • JCLadybug 2012/07/25 14:54:16
    Yes
    JCLadybug
    +1
    This is a tough issue but here is why I like it. Teaching is hard, it takes a lot of dedication and time to determine how you want to teach and the best ways to reach the kids. In failing school districts, it is hard to get good teachers. Parents generally have an interest in their child's education and will do what they can to be their teacher. When they ARE the teachers they have to do all the research I referred to above. I bet they will be the dedicated and get results b/c they are invested in their child, etc.
  • John T. 2012/07/25 14:44:34
    Yes
    John T.
    +2
    The overloaded and over micro managed school systems through the country have lost site of its real goal. Educating the youth of America. Teachers have lost control in the classroom, through court orders. When a teacher has no control of the students, all the students loose out. It has come to the point that the students have more power in the classroom than the teacher. Too much infects has been placed on standardized test and not enough on the subject being taught. Today the test comes first and if you gain any knowledge of the subject, well that comes second. Bilingual education has not what it was designed to do. It was to help non English speakers to ease into subjects taught in English. Not “Separate But Equal” We have students graduating in this country that can’t speak English and we expect them to compete in a world marketplace where the primary language is English. That is a disservice to the student and the nation.
  • Rod 2012/07/25 14:28:11
    Yes
    Rod
    +1
    What a novel idea. Those (parents) that truly care about the education of their children are doing something about it. How were children educated 150 years ago? By the Federal or state governments? No they were educated by the communities that were most invested in the outcome. Great idea.
  • seadog6... Rod 2012/07/25 16:12:24
  • smitty 2012/07/25 14:03:47
    Yes
    smitty
    +1
    Really depends on the parents. Some parents I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them. Those 350 pounders I can't throw very far.
  • cynsity 2012/07/25 13:43:30
    Yes
    cynsity
    +1
    Yes they absolutly can. when parents are involved with the education process the students have record high success rates. This is why PRIVATE schools have such high success rates partents are often mandated to partisipate in the education process. School is not simply a place to dump your kid for 7 1/2 hours a day its a place where what happends matters.

    Parents do not have to be educators they only have to make sure the educators are doing what they agreed to do when they became teachers ( that is ask to see lesson plans and have on file a writen acknowledgment of the teaching philosophy tat is the schools main ideal)and parents need to make sure students are agreeing to do what they are supposed to do as students (pay attention, partisipate in class and do assigned work in a timely manner). that's it. No secrete handshakes or anything just make sure everyone is doing their job. studets teachers and parents. that is how education gets you ahead.
  • Luna Wren 2012/07/25 13:42:24
    No
    Luna Wren
    +2
    Hahahahaha! Parents?! Maybe if they're nothing like mine but, haha, no...
  • M A 2012/07/25 13:07:44
    Yes
    M A
    +1
    Cant hurt trying
  • Andy 2012/07/25 12:52:15
    Yes
    Andy
    +1
    Charter schools have proven to outperform regular public schools. My daughters go to a Top 50 school in the country...Charter, with many parents helping out

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