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Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas presents more lies to the UN in his quest for Palestinian statehood! What? You expected the truth from an Arab?

Ken 2011/09/25 04:29:01
The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Israel's right to exist.
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Posted on Sat, Sep. 24, 2011

FACT CHECK: Abbas presents disputed narrative


By JOSEF FEDERMAN
Associated Press

In
his historic speech to the United Nations, Palestinian President
Mahmoud Abbas eloquently laid out the case for granting his people an
independent state. But in doing so, he presented a narrative that is
disputed by Israel, and in at least one case, appeared to be factually
incorrect.

Here is a look at the counterarguments to Abbas' claims:

OCCUPATION: Abbas called Israel's control of the territories claimed by the Palestinians "the only occupation in the world."

THE
FACTS:
The world is full of ethnic minorities that might claim to be
ruled by occupiers, ranging from Tibetans living under Chinese rule to
Kurds in Turkey, Basques in Spain, Chechens in Russia and Muslim
separatists in Indian-ruled Kashmir.

PRISONERS: Abbas referred to the roughly 8,000 Palestinians being held in Israeli jails as prisoners of conscience.

THE
FACTS:
Abbas did not mention that most Palestinian prisoners are being
held because of alleged involvement in violence against Israelis.
Israel's prison service says it's holding some 6,000 "security"
prisoners, many of them involved in planning or carrying out deadly
attacks on civilians.

JEWISH CONNECTION TO THE HOLY LAND: Abbas called for two states, Israel and Palestine, to live in peace together.

THE
FACTS:
Abbas did not address one of Israel's central demands, that he
recognize the Jewish connection to Jerusalem and the Holy Land. And he
ignored this Jewish connection by referring to the area as the land of
Muhammad and Jesus, with no mention of any Jewish biblical figure.

GAZA
STRIP:
Abbas referred to Gaza as an integral part of a future
Palestine, briefly mentioning his reconciliation agreement with the
territory's Hamas rulers and condemning an Israeli "war of aggression"
there nearly three years ago.

THE FACTS: Abbas lost control of
Gaza to Hamas militants four years ago, and talks over implementing a
reconciliation deal announced last May are at a standstill, in large
part because of Hamas' refusal to disarm or renounce its armed struggle
against Israel. In condemning Israel's 2008-2009 offensive in Gaza,
Abbas did not mention that the operation was launched in response to
persistent rocket fire from the Hamas-ruled territory.

PEACE
TALKS:
Abbas declared the Palestinians "believe in peace" and repeatedly
presented Israel as the obstacle to renewing peace talks.

THE
FACTS:
The Palestinians did not accept two Israeli peace offers, in 2000
and 2008, that offered them a state in the vast majority of the
territories they claim. Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has
repeatedly offered to launch negotiations - but refused to accept
minimum outlines of a peace deal endorsed by the Palestinians and the
international community. He has also not met the Palestinian condition
of a settlement freeze for the duration of the talks.

SETTLEMENTS:
Abbas repeatedly condemned Israeli settlement activity as the chief
obstacle to peace, saying that continued Israeli construction on lands
claimed by the Palestinians shows that Israel is not serious about
peace.

THE FACTS: Israel might argue - as Netanyahu did in his
rebuttal Friday - that Arab enmity to Israel long preceded the
settlement of lands occupied in 1967. But Abbas, ironically, could have
been even stronger in his condemnation and mentioned a jarring
statistic: The number of Jews living in the West Bank and east Jerusalem
has roughly doubled, to some 500,000 people, since the Oslo Accords of
18 years ago.


Comment: In Islam it is honorable to lie, if by
doing so you advance Islam’s goals. That is why it is perfectly
acceptable and even praiseworthy for a Muslim leader to say something
in English to a non-Muslim audience and the western news media, and
then the very next day say the exact opposite thing while talking in
Arabic to a Muslim audience and news media.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37701





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  • jean 2011/09/25 04:38:24
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    jean
    +12
    Even if Israel ceased to exist there would not be peace in the middle east. The ultimate goal if of course the death of the Jewish state.

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  • dlsofsetx 2011/09/26 16:34:30
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    dlsofsetx
    +1
    Neither side is completely innocent,but Hamas still calls for Israel's destruction.
  • Ken dlsofsetx 2011/09/26 18:51:43 (edited)
    Ken
    +3
    While Israel may not be "completely innocent", you have to remember that it is a nation that has been under attack from all sides since the very day of its creation. Some of the measures complained of loudest, such as Jimmy Carter's book calling their building of the wall on the West Bank "apartheid", were necessary to stop the almost daily suicide bombings of buses and market places. Israel is the only nation in the Middle East where Arab/Muslim women can vote! Muslim Israelis worship freely, run for political office, and there is even a Muslim on the Israel Supreme Court. There really is no "moral equivalency" between Israel and its enemies who want to wipe the nation off the face of the earth.
  • wtw 2011/09/26 03:56:51
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    wtw
    +3
    It is OK for muslims to lie and decieve any one but muslims!
  • bad x 2011/09/26 00:42:28
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    bad x
    +2
    the cure for peace is round up all the rag heads, douse their rags with kerosene, and light them up, plain and simple, then you have peace in the middle east.
  • TheTailor 2011/09/25 21:55:22
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    TheTailor
    +3
    And he doesn't see everyone knows he's lying? He must see that, so as usual, brings stupidity to the table.
  • Ken TheTailor 2011/09/26 00:45:48
    Ken
    +3
    More like ignorance blinded by religious zealotry.
  • TheTailor Ken 2011/09/26 00:59:22
    TheTailor
    +2
    That too.
  • Bureauc 0webama 2011/09/25 21:23:21
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    Bureauc 0webama
    +3
    Islam dictates that any land, once occupied by mooozlims is never to be ceded under any circumstances. I don't see an end to this. Interestingly the freest muslims in the middle east are living peacefully along side Jews inside Israel.
  • Ken Bureauc... 2011/09/26 00:46:32
    Ken
    +2
    You are correct on that point - they still see Moorish Spain as Muslim territory.
  • poppy Ken 2011/09/26 09:48:53
    poppy
    +2
    Every land is muslim land!! In fact, the whole world.
  • Ken poppy 2011/09/26 18:53:04
    Ken
    +3
    To a Muslim fundamentalist that is true.
  • poppy Ken 2011/09/26 19:41:22
    poppy
    +2
    Muslims.
  • Always Right 2011/09/25 18:53:21
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    Always Right
    +2
    The comment in RED proves 0bama is a muslim. There will be no peace in the Middle East until Israel wins.
  • sammanilla 2011/09/25 17:35:20
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    sammanilla
    +2
    The problems with settling a Palestinian state is that not one Arab tribe or state wants them. Palestinians were nomads who were often used by other tribes to enact violence on others and were otherwise undesirable.

    Arab states were all created by Europe. The whole Middles East is a farce.
  • Ken sammanilla 2011/09/26 00:48:07
    Ken
    +2
    You are correct, and the "Palestinian Problem" was created by the Arabs themselves, and they don't want to "solve" it because it provides them with leverage in their crusade against Israel's very existence.
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2011/09/25 17:10:24
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    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    I wish they would settle things already.
  • Ken WhereIs... 2011/09/26 00:48:27
    Ken
    +1
    So do we all.
  • jr 2011/09/25 16:43:05
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    jr
    +4
    How do you make peace with someone that is committed to killing you?
  • Ken jr 2011/09/26 00:48:50
    Ken
    +3
    Good question to ask a pacifist!
  • Hobbitt / Oldsquid 2011/09/25 15:59:39
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    Hobbitt / Oldsquid
    +5
    To Arabs it is all or nothing...they do not know how to compromise....they think the world owes them everyrthing...they are owed NOTHING....
  • Freeranger 2011/09/25 12:42:13
    The only obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Arab intransigence over Isra...
    Freeranger
    +4
    If they didn't hate Israel, they'd hate and kill each other. Yet ultimately, until they recognize Israel, all bets are off.
  • Ken Freeranger 2011/09/26 00:49:41
    Ken
    +2
    They do hate and kill each other! Haven't you noticed the bombings of the Shiite and Sunni mosques in Iraq?
  • The Electrician 2011/09/25 11:38:15
    There is fault enough on both sides to go around.
    The Electrician
    +4
    I checked the wrong box, Muslims don't want the Israeli's or anyone else in the region. The Jews are the only true religion on the planet, The Bible is the original covenant of life, as it should be led or as God would have us live it. The U.S. Constitution and most of the Constitutions of other countries are based on the principles of the Bible. The Arabs would like to turn the world into an Islamic State under the principles as set forth in their Barbaric Qu'ran.
  • Ken The Ele... 2011/09/26 00:50:44
    Ken
    +2
    Also, the Koran steals from the Book of Genesis of the Bible - the Arabs claim Abraham as their progenitor as well!
  • The Ele... Ken 2011/09/29 01:12:32
    The Electrician
    I support and respect Judaism, however, I consider the Bible an adventure in Mythology.
  • Ken The Ele... 2011/09/29 01:56:23 (edited)
    Ken
    You can consider all you want, but Archaeology is proving the historicity of numerous of the stories in the Old Testament. The bodies of Abraham, Sarah and their children are entombed at the Cave of Machpelah, in Hebron on the West Bank, exactly where the Book of Genesis says they were.

    Sharecave of machpelah hebron
    This is the temple built over the entrance to the Cave of Machpelah, a holy place to both Jews and Muslims.
  • The Ele... Ken 2011/10/02 12:52:56
    The Electrician
    The Bible was written on pure Myth. Archaeologists found bodies, Got DNA to prove who's bodies they were. It's scientifically impossible for some of the writing in the Bible to ever have taken place. Let's just call it HYPERBOLE.
  • Ken The Ele... 2011/10/02 22:40:35
    Ken
    You are missing the point: Abraham, Sarah, Isaac , Jacob, et al, were real people. Whether or not the rest of the stories in the Bible are true (and I don't mean that the story of creation in seven days is intended to be factual rather than allegorical), the Book of Genesis story of Abraham negotiating and purchasing the Cave at Machpelah as the burial place for Sarah has proved to be factual. Also, clay bullas (seals) have been found with the name of a major character from the Book of Jeremiah have been found lending historical credence to the stories in that book.
  • The Ele... Ken 2011/10/10 09:21:51
    The Electrician
    It's still a Myth.
  • Charles E 2011/09/25 09:13:54
    There is fault enough on both sides to go around.
    Charles E
    Your headline makes it very clear that you don not want anyone to advocate for the rights of the native people of the Middle East.
  • Ken Charles E 2011/09/26 00:52:11
    Ken
    +2
    And just who are "the native people of the Middle East?" The Jews have as much or more right, historically, to the area of modern-day Israel and the City of jerusalem as any other group.
  • poppy Charles E 2011/09/26 10:06:03
    poppy
    +2
    The Jews have a right to Israel. It's their homeland and archeologically, it's been proven to be the case. Israel is the birth land of Jews and Christianity. From those stand points alone, Israel is important. palastine doesn't exist, it's Jewish lands, and they only want a state to end Israel, and they've publically stated this many times. The fact islam wants the whole wold as muslims lands should really tell you they don't want palastine because they're entitled to it, but to get at Israel and have legitimacy to then strike at Israel as a state........
  • Ken poppy 2011/09/26 18:55:38
    Ken
    +2
    You are right again Poppy. One has only to look at what happened when Israel gave up the Gaza Strip, unilaterally, to "Palestinian" control. They voted a Hamas political ticket into power and immediately turned it into an armed camp from which to fire rockets on a daily basis at Israeli civilians.
  • poppy Ken 2011/09/26 19:47:18
    poppy
    +2
    Sadly so many ignore this fact to Jew/Israel bash unashamedly.
  • Ken poppy 2011/09/27 04:15:47
    Ken
    So true, but from what I read it's much worse in Europe than here in the U.S., though some on the left are unabashed Israel bashers.
  • poppy Ken 2011/09/27 07:48:33 (edited)
    poppy
    +1
    There's quite a few Jew bashers in the UK as well. Many having not bothered to do their homework and read on history. They fail to see the look of extreme pleasure and satisfaction on muslim's faces when they kill people and animals, it's distasteful. Many muslims love killing so much, I am not sure if there will ever be peace. I fear for Israel, as enjoyment is so deeply entrenched.
  • Ken Charles E 2011/10/10 21:03:41 (edited)
    Ken
    It does no such thing. What I want is a negotiated peace, where Israel's right to exist is acknowledged and guaranteed. Neither the Palestinians nor anyone else advocating for their "rights" has come close to that. And as for Palestinians being the "native people" of the Middle East, the Jews have a history in the region, and particularly in Jerusalem, that goes back much further in history that do the "Palestinians."
  • Chokmah 2011/09/25 08:58:53
    There is fault enough on both sides to go around.
    Chokmah
    +1
    Both sides are playing hard ball... the Israeli's want to negotiate while pointing a gun to your head and bulldozing your house. The Palestinians are just tying to get the same rights that the European Zionists got from Lord Balfour.
  • Ken Chokmah 2011/09/26 00:55:44
    Ken
    +2
    Nonsense! Have you no understanding of history? The five Arab nations surrounding Israel attacked the brand-new nation the very day it was created by the United Nations. That attack created the "Palestinian Problem", and the Arabs have refused to deal with it, preferring to use it as leverage in their fight against the very existence of Israel. The Palestinians were offered "rights" by the Israelis, everything they had asked for during the Clinton presidency. Yasser Arrafat declined. The fact is that while the Palestinian people may want peace and a homeland, their leaders do not, so long as the nation of Israel still exists!
  • poppy Chokmah 2011/09/26 10:07:05
    poppy
    +2
    Sorry but palastine doesn't exist, and they are muslims trying to end Israel.

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