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Pakistan girl jailed, accused of blasphemy. Does Islam blaspheme the Constitution of the United States?

tncdel 2012/08/20 22:55:58
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Islam is ORGANIZED CRIME operating under the guise of religion, and the Quran itself is AN INSTRUMENT OF CRIME. For it commands ALL Muslims [not some or a few of them] to kill, oppress and annihilate all who don't believe as they do.

See this educational video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

Additionally, each and every right under the Constitution is subject to restraint or forfeiture, if it conflicts with the constitutional rights of others. For example, we all have the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness under the Constitution. But if you kill your neighbor because his dog crapped on your lawn, you can lose all those rights.

So too things like the "Jim Jones kool-aid party" and what the Quran commands are NOT protected under the Constitution. Courts are required to apply the "balancing of the scales" analysis, when opposing sides in a case maintain that they have a right under the Constitution. And the judge must determine WHICH side has the greater claim to "right" under the Constitution and which side would suffer the greatest harm by allowing the opposing side to exercise the right that they claim.

To put things in perspective, YOU play the judge in the following case, then tell us your verdict:

Side A alleges it has a right to kill, oppress and annihilate anyone who refuses to believe as they do.

Side B alleges that they have a right to NOT be killed, oppressed or annihilated.

So please tell us, WHICH side, side A or side B, would you rule in favor of.

If you say side A, then you have violated the Constitution. If you say side B, then you have ruled that Islam is NOT a "religion" for 1st Amendment purposes.


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  • RayG 2012/08/20 23:32:33
    YES [comment as you wish].
    RayG
    +5
    And the faster we drop financial and other support to Pakistan, the better off we'll be.

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  • BILL 2012/08/22 18:18:47 (edited)
    YES [comment as you wish].
    BILL
    Islam considers everything not supported by Islam to be a blaspheme, just more anti Christan, Muslim BS, especially when it comes to the treatment of women, those nimrods give more respect to farm animals

    women

    Women are also beaten and abused in this country every day, but they are protected by laws as are all abuse victims and here they can get get help and protection but in the Muslim world they are just free Game,
  • ruru 2012/08/21 04:42:19
    YES [comment as you wish].
    ruru
    +1
    Not a very civilized group of people are they!!
  • thefatguy 2012/08/21 04:16:04
    YES [comment as you wish].
    thefatguy
    +1
    Our laws are based on the concepts of consent and due process. The difference between a boxing match and assault is consent. The difference between lovemaking and rape is consent. The difference between charity and theft is consent. The difference between employment and slavery is consent.

    But, how does one give one's consent? It begins by being presented a choice; a choice to say yes AND a choice to say no. If someone puts a gun to my head and tells me I have a choice to do as they say or die, I do not have a true choice and thus, although they may get my acquiescence, they will not have my consent. For one cannot truly give one's consent unless one also has the option to withhold consent without threat or intimidation. In other words, in order for you to say yes, you must also have the choice to say no. You can't say no if you are only given the choice to say yes or die.

    How does this relate to Islam? Islam holds that once one becomes a Muslim, they must remain a Muslim or face a death sentence. Islam spread largely by intimidation or historically by conquering others in battle and then forcing conversions of the defeated. Contrast this with other religions who seek to convert by spreading their ideas and who allow followers to join or leave at will. It is tru...

    Our laws are based on the concepts of consent and due process. The difference between a boxing match and assault is consent. The difference between lovemaking and rape is consent. The difference between charity and theft is consent. The difference between employment and slavery is consent.

    But, how does one give one's consent? It begins by being presented a choice; a choice to say yes AND a choice to say no. If someone puts a gun to my head and tells me I have a choice to do as they say or die, I do not have a true choice and thus, although they may get my acquiescence, they will not have my consent. For one cannot truly give one's consent unless one also has the option to withhold consent without threat or intimidation. In other words, in order for you to say yes, you must also have the choice to say no. You can't say no if you are only given the choice to say yes or die.

    How does this relate to Islam? Islam holds that once one becomes a Muslim, they must remain a Muslim or face a death sentence. Islam spread largely by intimidation or historically by conquering others in battle and then forcing conversions of the defeated. Contrast this with other religions who seek to convert by spreading their ideas and who allow followers to join or leave at will. It is true that Catholicism also experienced a period of forced conversion and torture/death during the Inquisition but it was a notable exception to the rule. In Islam, this forced conversion has continued since its inception and has never abated. So, Islam is not a consent based religion. I can only think of one other belief system which so punishes the non-believer as Islam and that is communism.

    So IMO, Islam, as it is currently practiced, is not a "religion" which is subject to First Amendment protections. It is a form of mental and physical slavery where the follower must remain so in perpetuity or face a death sentence. Since slavery was outlawed in the United States, Islam is also therefore illegal, until and unless a follower is allowed to leave the faith without threat or intimidation.
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  • KingdomNow 2012/08/21 01:58:47
    NO [tell us how you reconcile Islam's command to replace other government wit...
    KingdomNow
    Democracy. If they want it then I don't care.
  • ladyjane KingdomNow 2012/08/21 04:44:13
    ladyjane
    +1
    Republic is what we have.
  • KingdomNow ladyjane 2012/08/21 10:26:50
    KingdomNow
    Yes, and the method of selection is democratic.
  • tncdel KingdomNow 2012/08/21 13:46:02
    tncdel
    That's why some call it a democratic republic.
  • KingdomNow tncdel 2012/08/21 22:32:41
    KingdomNow
    It can also be called a democratically selected Aristocracy.
  • sara 2012/08/21 00:52:53
    YES [comment as you wish].
    sara
    +4
    Islam is a repressive all consuming evil that is spreading like a cancer over the globe. It is oppressive to women & anyone who doesn't believe as they do. It has no place in a democratic society
  • Lynn sara 2012/08/21 03:23:33
    Lynn
    OMG how stupid are you have you read the Quran? Do you know any Muslim people? Have you talked to them or are just going by what you see on TV?
  • tncdel Lynn 2012/08/21 13:49:29
    tncdel
    You need to stop projecting like that. I've studied the Quran cover-to-cover, and I know many Muslims. So I am well aware that sara is quite correct. Either you are incredibly naive, stupid yourself, or are a Muslim practicing "taqiyyah" deception.
  • den 2012/08/21 00:39:17
    YES [comment as you wish].
    den
    +4
    Islam allows no freedom of religion or freedom of speech
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/08/20 23:42:27
    NO [tell us how you reconcile Islam's command to replace other government wit...
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    I don't reconcile Islam's plan at all, but I don't think leading Islamists are wasting time worrying about our Constitution. I think they're busy advancing their agenda through deeds -- and toppling our Constitution is pretty far down the list.

    BUT... since I'm sure it's on the list, it's never too soon to STOP THEM.
  • ladyjane jubil8 ... 2012/08/21 04:42:56
    ladyjane
    +1
    Boy are you wrong...
  • tncdel jubil8 ... 2012/08/21 13:51:27
    tncdel
    What do you think "toppling" our constitutional form of government would be, if not "blaspheming" our Constitution? DUH! :)~
  • RayG 2012/08/20 23:32:33
    YES [comment as you wish].
    RayG
    +5
    And the faster we drop financial and other support to Pakistan, the better off we'll be.
  • Michael 2012/08/20 23:32:02
    YES [comment as you wish].
    Michael
    +4
    You have NO rights under Islam. You are a slave. It is the degree of slavery you are doomed to as dictated to by your birth. First oldest male, then next male in age, last are women and girls, even below sons and males, not related.
  • ehrhornp 2012/08/20 23:28:45 (edited)
    NO [tell us how you reconcile Islam's command to replace other government wit...
    ehrhornp
    This girl was in Pakistan so the US constitution does not apply. She is not an American citizen is she? How could anyone think the US constitution apply?
  • tncdel ehrhornp 2012/08/21 13:53:10
    tncdel
    SHE is, but Islam is right here in the good ol' US of A. Did my question ask if SHE "blasphemed" our Constitution? DUH! :)~
  • ehrhornp tncdel 2012/08/21 16:37:34
    ehrhornp
    The question asked: Does Islam blaspheme the Constitution of the United States? after talking about a girl in Pakistan. Sorry but the Constitution does not apply to other countries Now if this happened in the United States, then my answer would be different but it didn't.
  • IndyLinda 2012/08/20 23:13:18
    YES [comment as you wish].
    IndyLinda
    +5
    Islam is a naked vicious power grab, posing as a bogus "religion."
  • wallygator64 2012/08/20 23:04:36
    YES [comment as you wish].
    wallygator64
    +5
    As a Christian,I do not recognize Islam as anything but a cult,False Religion.
  • ehrhornp wallyga... 2012/08/20 23:34:27
    ehrhornp
    And many Muslims do not recognize Christianity as anything but a false religion. (even though they recognize Jesus)
  • Lynn ehrhornp 2012/08/21 03:28:16
    Lynn
    I have many Muslim friends and none of them have ever told me Christianity is not a religion. But i have herd many Christians deny any other religion.
  • ladyjane Lynn 2012/08/21 04:41:10
    ladyjane
    +1
    Why don't you do a little research...
  • tncdel Lynn 2012/08/21 14:00:31
    tncdel
    Were you aware that Muslims are commanded by the Quran to lie and deceive non-Muslims? What a Muslim says can never be trusted by a non-Muslim. See:

  • ehrhornp Lynn 2012/08/21 16:42:56
    ehrhornp
    Doesn't the Muslim religion have the reputation of killing the infidels? I agree with your comment on Christianity. Many have great intolerance for other religions. Some of their propaganda against Islam may have rubbed off on me.
  • tncdel ehrhornp 2012/08/21 13:58:12
    tncdel
    Objectively-speaking, Christianity, Buddhism and all other religions EXCEPT Islam are "true" religions in the sense that they don't masquerade as anything but religion. Whereas, Islam is an ideology that dictates what a whole society and its government may or may not do. Jesus commanded his followers to "Render unto Caesar..." But Islam IS "Caesar."
  • ehrhornp tncdel 2012/08/21 16:48:08
    ehrhornp
    It will be interesting to see where Islam is 700 years from now. Christianity 700 years ago wasn't the nicest of institutions. Seems to me the Roman Catholic Church dictates what a whole society and its gov. may or may not do. It was after all only relatively recent that they lifted the heresy label from Galileo.
  • tncdel 2012/08/20 22:58:45
    YES [comment as you wish].
    tncdel
    +5
    No one thus far has filed a lawsuit alleging that Islam doesn't meet the criteria of a religion for 1st Amendment purposes. THAT is what needs to be done in order to address the threat of Islamic encroachment within the United States.
  • jubil8 ... tncdel 2012/08/20 23:54:25
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    I like it! But... I have a question: What are the criteria? Because I think the RELIGION of Islam meets them. But Islam ISN'T just a religion, and it's the political joining of government and religion -- which we have specifically denied in our Constitution -- that makes it wrong for the US. Heck, the FF's rejected theocracy in all aspects.

    That's at the broadest level. At a narrower level any woman who can stomach the idea of Islam needs to be committed imo. And there are LOTS of narrower levels.
  • Soup Man jubil8 ... 2012/08/21 00:38:07
    Soup Man
    +1
    To determine whether an organization meets the religious purposes test of section 501(c)(3), the IRS maintains two basic guidelines.

    That the particular religious beliefs of the organization are truly and sincerely held.

    That the practices and rituals associated with the organization's religious belief or creed are not illegal or contrary to clearly defined public policy.

    Therefore, your group (or organization) may not qualify for treatment as an exempt religious organization for tax purposes if its actions, as contrasted with its beliefs, are contrary to well established and clearly defined public policy. If there is a clear showing that the beliefs (or doctrines) are sincerely held by those professing them, the IRS will not question the religious nature of those beliefs.
    Churches. Although a church, its integrated auxiliaries, or a convention or association of churches is not required to file Form 1023 to be exempt from federal income tax or to receive tax deductible contributions, the organization may find it advantageous to obtain recognition of exemption. In this event, you should submit information showing that your organization is a church, synagogue, association or convention of churches, religious order, or religious organization that is an integral part of a ch...





















    To determine whether an organization meets the religious purposes test of section 501(c)(3), the IRS maintains two basic guidelines.

    That the particular religious beliefs of the organization are truly and sincerely held.

    That the practices and rituals associated with the organization's religious belief or creed are not illegal or contrary to clearly defined public policy.

    Therefore, your group (or organization) may not qualify for treatment as an exempt religious organization for tax purposes if its actions, as contrasted with its beliefs, are contrary to well established and clearly defined public policy. If there is a clear showing that the beliefs (or doctrines) are sincerely held by those professing them, the IRS will not question the religious nature of those beliefs.
    Churches. Although a church, its integrated auxiliaries, or a convention or association of churches is not required to file Form 1023 to be exempt from federal income tax or to receive tax deductible contributions, the organization may find it advantageous to obtain recognition of exemption. In this event, you should submit information showing that your organization is a church, synagogue, association or convention of churches, religious order, or religious organization that is an integral part of a church, and that it is engaged in carrying out the function of a church.

    In determining whether an admittedly religious organization is also a church, the IRS does not accept every assertion that the organization is a church. Because beliefs and practices vary so widely, there is no single definition of the word church for tax purposes. The IRS considers the facts and circumstances of each organization applying for church status.

    Convention or association of churches. Any organization that is otherwise a convention or association of churches will not fail to qualify as a church merely because the membership of the organization includes individuals as well as churches or because the individuals have voting rights in the organization.

    Integrated auxiliaries. An organization is an integrated auxiliary of a church if all the following are true.

    The organization is described both in sections 501(c)(3) and 509(a)(1), 509(a)(2), or 509(a)(3).

    It is affiliated with a church or a convention or association of churches.

    It is internally supported. An organization is internally supported unless both of the following are true.

    It offers admissions, goods, services, or facilities for sale, other than on an incidental basis, to the general public (except goods, services, or facilities sold at a nominal charge or for a small part of the cost).

    It normally gets more than 50% of its support from a combination of governmental sources, public solicitation of contributions, and receipts from the sale of admissions, goods, performance of services, or furnishing of facilities in activities that are not unrelated trades or businesses.

    Special rule. Men's and women's organizations, seminaries, mission societies, and youth groups that satisfy (1) and (2) shown earlier are integrated auxiliaries of a church even if they are not internally supported.

    In order for an organization (including a church and religious organization) to qualify for tax exemption, no part of its net earnings can inure to any individual.

    Although an individual is entitled to a charitable deduction for contributions to a church, the assignment or similar transfer of compensation for personal services to a church generally does not relieve a taxpayer of federal income tax liability on the compensation, regardless of the motivation behind the transfer.
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  • tncdel jubil8 ... 2012/08/21 14:05:21
    tncdel
    Soup Man just enlightened you as to the criteria the IRS uses. For federal court criteria, the U.S. Supreme Court precedents apply a "balancing of scales" approach to deciding WHICH side has a greater claim to a right when a conflict occurs between the right claimed by one or more of one side versus the right of one or more on the opposing side.

    To put things in perspective, YOU play the judge in the following case, then tell us your verdict:

    Side A alleges it has a right to kill, oppress and annihilate anyone who refuses to believe as they do.

    Side B alleges that they have a right to NOT be killed, oppressed or annihilated.

    So please tell us, WHICH side, side A or side B, would you rule in favor of.

    If you say side A, then you have violated the Constitution. If you say side B, then you have ruled that Islam is NOT a "religion" for 1st Amendment purposes.

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