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Online gamers crack AIDS enzyme puzzle... This Proves You Don't Need To Be A Scientist To Achieve Great Things For Science

chaoskitty123 2011/09/20 01:01:49

Figuring out the structure of proteins is vital for understanding the
causes of many diseases and developing drugs to block them.



But a microscope gives only a flat image of what to the outsider
looks like a plate of one-dimensional scrunched-up spaghetti.
Pharmacologists, though, need a 3-D picture that "unfolds" the molecule
and rotates it in order to reveal potential targets for drugs.


This is where Foldit comes in.


Developed in 2008 by the University of Washington, it is a
fun-for-purpose video game in which gamers, divided into competing
groups, compete to unfold chains of amino acids -- the building blocks
of proteins -- using a set of online tools.


To the astonishment of the scientists, the gamers produced an accurate model of the enzyme in just three weeks.
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/online-gamers-crack-a...

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The next time someone tells you that science is best left to the scientists because they're the experts... tell them to shut up and go eat a banana in the corner woth all the other monkeys.

This isn't the first time non scientists have cracked puzzles scientists couldn't figure out because scientists put too much faith in their tools and the scientific method which often extracts the one key element needed to find the answers you are looking for... that key element is common sense.

This was sent to me by someone who read one of my topics about Global Warming and how instead of listening to what the scientists tell us their facts tell us... why not examine their facts and ignore what their interpretation is so you might actually find the truth they either don't want you to know or lack the ability to understand their own information.

You tell me... scientists tell us that Global Warming is the natural process following an Ice Age. These same scientists tell us we lived through a period called the Little Ice Age that lasted between 300 to 700 years but ended around 1850. Scientists tell us that we only began recording global temperatures between 1880 and 1888 and that almost from the period we began recording global temperatures, we were in a period of Global Warming following the end of the Little Ice Age. Between 1940 and 1975 we experience the worst period of man made pollution in human history and yet, all scientific data tells us that Global Warming during this 35 year period of time stopped. In fact, scientists in the lat 1960's and early 1970's developed the theory of Global Cooling claiming man made pollution caused Global Cooling explaining why Global Warming ended. By the late 60's to mid 70's, environmentalists begin winning great success in their war to reduce pollution and their success causes Global Warming to kick back in again. The more success environmentalists have, the faster Global Warming accelerates and only when we see nations like China increasing their output of pollution bringing us back to levels close to 1940 levels do we see Global Warming again apparently stopping. Now here's the kicker, for all their talk, temperatures in the United States have actually been "decreasing" since around 2000... that's right, the success of environmentalism in the US has caused a decrease in temperatures here steadily getting cooler every year.

Where do I get my information? From the advocates of Man Made Global Warming themselves and they get their data from institutions like NASA. Yet, even by stating the painfully obvious truth, you cannot get Man Made Global Warming supporters to listen because they refuse to hear anyone but the Man Made Global Warming scientists and Al Gore. Mind you, I am using their own information here and not the information of their opposition.

global warming scientists al gore mind information information opposition

global warming scientists al gore mind information information opposition

I dunno, you tell me what these two charts provided by NASA which are used by almost every Man Made Global Warming advocate on the planet uses to prove Man Made Global Warming is real?

Fact ~ Global Warming is happening and it is a natural process that began with the end of the Little Ice Age at around 1850.

Fact ~ Global Warming advocates like Al Gore chose to use this term so they could confuse adherents so they claim Global Warming is a scientifically proven fact... guess what, it is and it has been getting warmer at least for a time. But guess what, even Al Gore and these scientists will say Global Warming is a proven fact one moment and then turn around saying Man Made Global Warming is only a theory in the very next breath. What that tells you is they are knowingly twisting the truth to deceive the gullible and the ignorant who aren't paying attention to how these advocates are wording their comments... and not opening their eyes to see the truth for themselves that they have been deceived.

Fact ~ There are several PROVEN possible causes for Global Warming including the end of an Ice Age, the Sun being more or less active, the Earth rotating closer or further away from the Sun, the planet wobbling on it's Axis doing in one day what takes continental drift millions of years to achieve, a period of extensive volcanic eruptions and even the possibility of an asteroid or comet hitting the Earth... ALL PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Man Made Global Warming is only a theory and it is more true to say that the scientists in the 60's who put forth the theory of Global Cooling that was added to every school science book was more true than the theory of Man Made Global Warming.

You don't have to be a scientist to see this truth and the fact that a group of video game junkies could find the answer to a puzzle scientists researching AIDS have spent over a decade searching for is just another reminder that you aren't as stupid as Al Gore and these Man Made Global Warming supporters are telling you... as a matter of fact, when faced with absolute truths their own supposed "proof" tells us, they deny it so that their own term for their opposition, calling them Deniers, is more true of them.

Maybe opponents of Global Warming are wrong because it definately was warming up and they should have realized that... but they aren't wrong in regard to Man Made Global Warming as man made pollution isn't causing it, it's a natural process that began with the end of the Little Ice Age and when pollution was at it's worst, temperatures DROPPED and the natural process of Global Warming that began at the end of the Little Ice Age stopped.

I just wanted to illustrate for you guys who were smart enough to see that Man Made Global Warming was not only just a theory and that supporters of it are being deceived... but it doesn't take being a scientist to achieve great things in science like these video game fanatics proved.

The scientific method also fails believers here because the scientific method requires using facts which when put together prove a theory is true... but when you apply these facts to the theory of Man Made Global Warming, they actually FAIL the scientific method because common sense alone tells you that the facts prove man made pollution causes the natural process of Global Warming to stop and by reducing pollution, this natural process kicks back in and temperatures start rising again.

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  • Icarus 2011/09/20 09:53:46
    Icarus
    "This isn't the first time non scientists have cracked puzzles scientists couldn't figure out because scientists put too much faith in their tools and the scientific method..."

    So the scientists devised a clever way of cracking this puzzle using techniques which humans are still better at than computers, and you don't give then credit for it. That is frankly bizarre! There are now numerous 'distributed computing' and interactive science projects such as Seti@Home and Galaxy Zoo. They are all devised and implemented by scientists, using data gathered by scientists. You should applaud their ingenuity rather than running them down!
  • iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~ 2011/09/20 09:20:55
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    +1
    I think that this example doesn't really lead in any way to your argument.

    What's neglected in your discussion is that the gamers didn't work outside the rules the scientists made, but rather within those rules. The rules for unfolding, etc., had to be governed by what could actually or what would actually happen.

    The problem with creating the model seemed, apparently, not to be a scientific one but rather a practical one. Computer programs couldn't produce a good model because they don't have the spacial reasoning capabilities of humans. It seems like, although a breakthrough, that the gamers acted kind of like someone a chef asks to open a jar for a recipe. The person may not have any idea what the jar is, what it's being used for, etc. The actual need for the jar and use of it is all under the chef's control.
  • Icarus iamthem... 2011/09/20 09:58:23
    Icarus
    +1
    Exactly.
  • Lynn 2011/09/20 03:47:03
    Lynn
    Every scientist has their strengths... and they usually constibute according to those strengths. IF you need a computer model to unwrap an atom, it takes both a computer programmer and a physicist to do the job. The computer programer would never have a chance alone of cracking the molecule as he only understands programming. The physicist cant do it alone as he doesnt have the ability to model so many parameters at once. But together... POW!
  • safari 2011/09/20 01:50:59
    safari
    +1
    This is fascinating thanks Chaos Kitty - Gamers use different parts of their brains than scientists do for problem solving and I wonder how much further along many studies would be if non scientists and more creative types were thrown into the team. As for GloBULL warming - I think it's pretty clear by now that it's a hoax and even GOREbull's 24 hour propagandathon wasn't enough to re-sell it to the real thinkers of the world.
  • chaoski... safari 2011/09/20 02:35:36
    chaoskitty123
    +1
    What I don't get is I use their own information to prove Man Made Global Warming is a scam... Global Warming is happening and has been happening since around 1850 when the Little Ice Age ended. The people who support this scam purposely use both terms to confuse others as when they say Global Warming, most of them don't even know that the term Global Warming goes back to when scientists first began talking about Ice Ages explaining that when they end, the Earth enters a period of Global Warming. Because the term is used incorrectly, people who try to say it's false say Global Warming is false when it's not and they're not even talking about Global Warming... they're talking about Man Made Global Warming which at best was only a theory and when you examine their own so called facts... their own facts prove they are wrong.

    Some of them go so far as to say they don't even know but as long as 98% of scientists say it's true, then they'll believe them. But 98% of them don't say it's true, that's from a poll of only a small number of scientists overall and they're being asked if Global Warming is a fact... it is which is what I mean about how they are deceptively using the term as every scientist on the planet knows Global Warming happens after an Ice Age and they all know about the ...









    What I don't get is I use their own information to prove Man Made Global Warming is a scam... Global Warming is happening and has been happening since around 1850 when the Little Ice Age ended. The people who support this scam purposely use both terms to confuse others as when they say Global Warming, most of them don't even know that the term Global Warming goes back to when scientists first began talking about Ice Ages explaining that when they end, the Earth enters a period of Global Warming. Because the term is used incorrectly, people who try to say it's false say Global Warming is false when it's not and they're not even talking about Global Warming... they're talking about Man Made Global Warming which at best was only a theory and when you examine their own so called facts... their own facts prove they are wrong.

    Some of them go so far as to say they don't even know but as long as 98% of scientists say it's true, then they'll believe them. But 98% of them don't say it's true, that's from a poll of only a small number of scientists overall and they're being asked if Global Warming is a fact... it is which is what I mean about how they are deceptively using the term as every scientist on the planet knows Global Warming happens after an Ice Age and they all know about the Little Ice Age bringing about the current period of Global Warming we're in right now.

    I don't have to be a scientist with twenty years training to have enough common sense and intellect to look at their own information and tell you what any sixth grade school student with a science book can tell you... when you examine the facts they present their own facts prove their beliefs are wrong.

    I fixed the links to the charts if you'd like to take a look. You have probably seen these before and I bet you've seen the top chart cropped at around 1975 to the present day because they purposely try to edit out the period from 1940 thru 1975 and they definately don't want you to see Global Warming was happening before 1940. You will also very rarely if ever see the US chart revealing US temperatures because they reveal the exact opposite has been happening over the past ten years as temperatures have been gradually cooling explaining the colder Winters not only in the North but bringing snow to the South where we haven't seen so much snow in maybe 25 to 30 years... and it's also the reason Al Gore has repeatedly been caught with his pants down going to lectures but getting caught in freak snow and ice storms. In case anyone denies what the charts tell us or they come from NASA http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gis... there's the link where i got them from... the same place Man Made Global Warming believers got their charts. There are more charts out there but almost every single one tells us it began warming at the end of the Little Ice Age, Global Warming stopped between 1940 and 1975... and it was only when environmentalists began having success reducing pollution in the late 60's and early 70's that Global Warming kicks back in... and in the late 90's and new millennium when environmentalists world wide really began having success, that's when we saw Global Warming really take off. Mind you, they themselves admit they have accomplished a lot but there's much more that needs done... that should make them think that instead of it being pollution causing this, it's the exact opposite.

    We need to do something about pollution and we should continue fighting pollution. But what this says is that maybe we need to determine "harmful" pollution and "helpful" pollution because every single fact reveals man made pollution acts like volcanic eruptions and too many volcanic eruptions don't cause warming... they cause cooling.

    Need more proof? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... investigate volcanic eruptions within the 19th and 20th century which just with a single eruption caused two to five years of cooler global temperatures.

    I know my stuff because I learned enough in school to know the basic principles of what they're saying is false... and all it takes is a few minutes research to prove everything I'm saying is true and what they're saying is false.
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  • safari chaoski... 2011/09/20 10:06:11
    safari
    So true Chaoskitty - which is why I refer to it as a scam. We know now there were billions to be made in the "green energy" industry and carbon trading. In a way I just can't believe they thought they could fool the entire world, but after Gore got a Nobel peace prize it became clear the Euro nations and the USA were all in on it. Seems they still are. I hope we can shut them down forever. The Solyndra scandal might help. Geez - when will enough be enough do you think???
  • Icarus chaoski... 2011/09/20 17:06:27 (edited)
    Icarus
    You say:

    "Global Warming is happening and has been happening since around 1850 when the Little Ice Age ended."
    ... but we know what caused the 'Little Ice Age' - it was a combination of cooling influences from a decline in solar irradiance and an increase in volcanic activity -





    Source: PAGES Special - Mediaeval Climate Anomaly

    Both of those natural influences have been *negative* forcings since mid-20th Century, which means that they should have caused cooling, whereas in fact we have seen substantial and accelerating warming -



    So clearly the current warming cannot possibly be attributed to the natural causes which took us into and out of the 'Little Ice Age'... and in fact we know that the current warming is due to the large positive forcing from anthropogenic greenhouse gases, which now dwarfs those natural solar and volcanic forcings -





    This is how we know that the accelerating global warming of the past 60 years or so is caused by human activities -



    Source: Meehl et al, 'Additivity' paper
    You say:

    "Global Warming is happening and has been happening since around 1850 when the Little Ice Age ended."

    ... but we know what caused the 'Little Ice Age' - it was a combination of cooling influences from a decline in solar irradiance and an increase in volcanic activity -

    combination cooling influences decline solar irradiance increase volcanic activity

    combination cooling influences decline solar irradiance increase volcanic activity

    Source: PAGES Special - Mediaeval Climate Anomaly

    Both of those natural influences have been *negative* forcings since mid-20th Century, which means that they should have caused cooling, whereas in fact we have seen substantial and accelerating warming -

    negative forcings mid-20th century caused cooling substantial accelerating warming

    So clearly the current warming cannot possibly be attributed to the natural causes which took us into and out of the 'Little Ice Age'... and in fact we know that the current warming is due to the large positive forcing from anthropogenic greenhouse gases, which now dwarfs those natural solar and volcanic forcings -

    forcing anthropogenic greenhouse gases dwarfs natural solar volcanic forcings

    forcing anthropogenic greenhouse gases dwarfs natural solar volcanic forcings

    This is how we know that the accelerating global warming of the past 60 years or so is caused by human activities -

    forcings accelerating global warming 60 years caused human activities

    Source: Meehl et al, 'Additivity' paper
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  • BoomLover 2011/09/20 01:43:08
    BoomLover
    +1
    Global Warming IS a SCAM, and those who believe in it are being scammed the most! Especially the Man Made version...think, people...Antarctica comprises only 3% of the Earth's surface, yet SCIENTIST'S State it contains almost 90% of the Worlds ICE. If every particle of Ice melted, worldwide, our Oceans would only rise possibly .7 inches, NOT 17 FEET like AL GORE claims! Use what little brain cells you have left, Global Warming Alarmists, and DO THE MATH in your own heads!
  • BoomLover BoomLover 2011/09/20 01:44:22
    BoomLover
    +1
    ( that .7 is 7/10 of an inch)
  • chaoski... BoomLover 2011/09/20 02:55:47
    chaoskitty123
    Actually Global Warming is factual and it is happening (or was)... but they're not talking about Global Warming which is a natural process after an Ice Age ends and which began when the Little Ice Age ended around 1850. Man Made global Warming is in fact a scam of epic proportions. Where they catch people BoomLover is everyone uses the term Global Warming... that's the wrong term and predates Man Made Global Warming as a term that goes back to when science first discovered that Ice Ages happened. These scientists and people like Al Gore take advantage of the terminology because global Warming has been happening and that is a scientific fact. Thus, when someone like you says Global Warming is a scam, they nail you and can say you are a denier because Global Warming did happen. But then, you are responding to them and they're the ones who say Global Warming is real and caused by man made pollution and that's a complete and utter falsehood. Man Made Global Warming is an unproven theory which the scientific method itself proves false which is why it has always been a theory.

    All their facts, everything they believe... every bit of it is based on lies that many in the scientific community know are lies. Remember, don't let them trap you into claiming Global Warming is false... tell...



    Actually Global Warming is factual and it is happening (or was)... but they're not talking about Global Warming which is a natural process after an Ice Age ends and which began when the Little Ice Age ended around 1850. Man Made global Warming is in fact a scam of epic proportions. Where they catch people BoomLover is everyone uses the term Global Warming... that's the wrong term and predates Man Made Global Warming as a term that goes back to when science first discovered that Ice Ages happened. These scientists and people like Al Gore take advantage of the terminology because global Warming has been happening and that is a scientific fact. Thus, when someone like you says Global Warming is a scam, they nail you and can say you are a denier because Global Warming did happen. But then, you are responding to them and they're the ones who say Global Warming is real and caused by man made pollution and that's a complete and utter falsehood. Man Made Global Warming is an unproven theory which the scientific method itself proves false which is why it has always been a theory.

    All their facts, everything they believe... every bit of it is based on lies that many in the scientific community know are lies. Remember, don't let them trap you into claiming Global Warming is false... tell them straight up it's real and caused by the end of the Little Ice Age, but Man Made Global Warming is not a fact is it is largely proven false by their own facts.

    Piltdown Man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... is one of several absolutely false scientific hoaxes that had most scientists and laymen (basically the general population) believing in the science and accepting them as truth... Peking Man is also a fraud but for different reasons as it has been proven to be Homo Erectus and not a separate species as originally proclaimed and is now classified as Homo Erectus Pekinensis. It's almost a running gag how the search for the missing link revealed one fraud after another and put anthropology into such ill repute it took decades to overcome the frauds and a strong effort by modern anthropologists to demand absolute proof of all findings.

    Another example is how scientists tell us they have found planets around distant stars. Ok, I can believe that as I already believe they exist. But then, after so many bought that, they then tell us they can tell us what these planets are made of when they actually haven't even seen one and they can't even tell us what our sister planets are made of. Now, does it really take a lot of effort to understand those facts and know that these scientists are lying to get more research money? No, that's the sole reason they're doing it in fact and common sense alone should tell you they're deceiving us when they can't even tell us everything our sister planets are made of.
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