Once AGAIN the Republicans show their disdain for the Middle Class and Working Poor!!

by sjalan Posted 2012/12/07 15:47:29

Related Topics: Republican, Republicans, Michigan, Out Of Touch, Middle Class, Discrimination, Business, Class, Legislature

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Michigan Legislature passes "right to work" anti-worker discrimination bills, once again showing they are totally out of touch with the main stream worker and willing to hop to the tune of their business puppet masters.

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Patent1 2012/12/07 19:42:55 (edited)

Agree

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Unions gave us:

Weekends. All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks. Paid Vacation, FMLA, Sick Leave, Social Security, Minimum Wage, Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination), 8-Hour Work Day, Overtime Pay, Child Labor Laws, Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA), 40 Hour Work Week, Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp), Unemployment Insurance, Pensions, Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations,
Employer Health Care Insurance, Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees, Wrongful Termination Laws, Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, Whistleblower Protection Laws, Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee), Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS), Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises), Sexual Harassment Laws, Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA), Holiday Pay, Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance, Privacy Rights,
Pregnancy and Parental Leave, Military Leave, The Right to Strike, Public Education for Children, Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work), and Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States.

Anybody that complains about unions is an ignorant fool and a carnival barker for the Robber Barons.
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Charles E 2013/01/05 01:20:53

Disagree

The unions spent millions of dollars and hours attempting to to write their control over workers into the state Constitution.
In spite of their efforts in the most heavily unionized state in the union, the measure failed.
So clearly the worker freedom law that the legislature passed was what the people of Michigan wanted.

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HOMBRE 2012/12/13 02:49:41

Disagree

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Liberals are all about love. They love poor people… as long as they stay poor.

They love choice… as long as it’s not in education, energy, healthcare, or commerce.

They love rights… as long as we’re not talking about the rights of the unborn. They love black people… as long as they stay on the Democrat plantation.

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Sir Bud 2012/12/13 01:47:01 (edited)

Agree

The Reps would like to go back to the"Good Old Days"of the"Masters and Slaves".I mean lets be honest...who needs Unions?.

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rikonjohn 2012/12/09 08:57:26

Agree

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Rumor is having it that four or five of the GOP house membership were forced into voting for this bill. They didn't want it but were threatened if they didn't. Ditto for the governor. He was flatly against any such legislation - and then did an about-face and helped to ram it through.

I smell Koch.

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sjalan to rikonjohn 2012/12/09 17:53:48

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Without a doubt and the Rabid Radical Religious Reich as well which with the Republican/Tea Party and the Kochs make up the New American Fascist Party.

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JCD aka... to rikonjohn 2012/12/09 22:31:34

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The stench is unbearable!

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Patent1 to rikonjohn 2012/12/09 22:42:55

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Those Kochsuckers!

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rikonjohn to Patent1 2012/12/10 01:01:21

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Cute!

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"OG" 2012/12/09 03:17:40 (edited)

Disagree

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Ask your current POTUS about his disdain for the Middle Class

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sjalan to "OG" 2012/12/09 16:12:48

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He came from the working poor and has NOT forgotten his roots.

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GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT 2012/12/08 22:09:30

Agree

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Welcome to the Fascist States of America. Where income inequality reigns & the plutocratic robber barons get to run roughshod over the peasants who work for them. Where said peasants have no voice & can be fired without cause.

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sjalan to GuruA2J... 2012/12/09 16:15:02

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And the New Fascist Party of American, aka The Republican/Tea Party is owned by the Rabid Radical Religious Reich and supported by the Capitalist vultures like the Koch Brothers and friends.

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GuruA2J... to sjalan 2012/12/10 01:16:47

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You got that right. We can't forget the Capitalist Vampires either. They're the ones who come in, suck the life blood out of a company, use the employees pension fund to borrow from the crookster banks. Then they pay themselves & their investors huge sums of money while running the company into the ground. Then to add insult to injury they have the employees build a stage whereupon they are told their jobs are being shipped overseas & they will have to train the foreigners how to do the job they've been doing for decades in this country. It's the BAIN way!!!

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MW121 2012/12/08 19:05:31

Disagree

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There was a time and place when we needed unions.. It helped create today's working laws, but it's out dated and we no longer need them.. People should have the right to join or not join a union, pay dues or not pay.. Good for Michigan. People should be accountable for themselves, not a union.. I think it's ridiculous how people under unions are protected for being fired.. It takes an act of god to fire anyone.. In the real world, you don't achieve your goals, you're on probation, you underachieve again, you're fired. It should be simple as that...

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Patent1 to MW121 2012/12/11 18:40:18

Ask the people who work for Wal Mart if they would like to have a union. The Waltons are richer than the Vatican, yet their employees are subsidized by the gov. with food stamps and Medicaid. Its considered EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION and part of their business plan.

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sjalan to Patent1 2012/12/11 18:49:41

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Sorry to contradict you Patent1, but no the Waltons are not richer than the Vatican. The Vatican, all inclusive of the assets of the RCC, is net worth about $11 trillion dollars, with investments in the Trillions across the entire globe.

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Patent1 to sjalan 2012/12/12 20:07:44

Its an expression. And does the Vatican pay their people so little that they have to depend on gov. subsidies so the Vatican can become even richer?

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MW121 to Patent1 2012/12/11 20:58:56

then they should work somewhere else.. Waltons should be able to make as much money as they want and that's the beauty of busiess..

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Patent1 to MW121 2012/12/12 20:11:49

No, they shouldn't. Once again, the repug and teabooger fallacy arises. THERE IS NOT AN INFINITE SUPPLY OF DOLLARS. When too many are taken out of circulation, we all suffer because of it. Our nation suffers because of the reduced money supply. The economy shrinks. More people can't find work. Tax revenue to the gov. drops. For every 1 billion taken out of the economy, 25,000 jobs are lost.

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MW121 to Patent1 2012/12/12 20:47:26

Then that's their problem.. People want to start a company for employees, then they should start one. Otherwise I believe in capitalism and one should have the ability to make as much as they want.. That's the only reason I started my company.. It wasn't to take time away from my family and take risks to give someone else a deep pocket, it was to build my own wealth and allow me to make as much as I want. Sure I pay my employees a fair wage with large bonuses if they obtain their goals, but when overhead increases, taxes increase etc, it comes out of overhead not my pocket...

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Patent1 to MW121 2012/12/13 01:42:39
Trader1 is kerbonkin' 2012/12/08 15:42:30

Disagree

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People should have a right to decide if they want to join a union or not. Unions were desperately needed way back when, but now they've become part of the political process and are more for making money for themselves and gaining political power than looking out for their members.

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Grandpa 2012/12/08 15:15:30 (edited)

Disagree

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WHAT MAKES YOU CLOWNS WHO BELONG TO A UNION ARE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE MOB WHO COLLECTED MONEY FROM COMPANIES NOT TO DESTORY THIER BUSSINESS >> THAT EXTORTION , SO.WHY DO YOU NEED TO PAY SOMEONE FOR THE RIGHT TO WORK ????? iF UNIONS WERE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU WHY ARE THEY DEMANDING MORE THEN THE COMPANY CAN PAY OUT AND AND STILL MAKE A PROFIT ??? bETTER IF THEY LOOK TO THE BOTTOM LINE AND ASKED FOR A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROFIT BE GIVEN EVERY 6 MONTHS AS A BONUS AND YOU CAN KEEP ON WORKING ???? GUESS IT BETTER TO DRIVE THEM OUT OF BUSSINESS AND THEN YOU HAVE NO WORK AND CAN DRAW UNEMPLOTMENT >> THEY HAD THERE PLACE 50 YEARS AGO BUT THE LAWYERS AND THE TOP RANK IN FILE ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD >>> ASK YOUR SELF WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR YOU AND ARE THEY BEHIND YOU IN A DISPUTE ??/ WHY TO I HAVE TO GIVE SOMEONE BESIDES THE TAX MAN MY HARD EARED MONEYFOR THE RIGHT TO WORK ?

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Patent1 to Grandpa 2012/12/08 17:05:49

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What a bunch of moronic crap. if it wasn't for unions, there would be no middle class. We would all be working for a nickel an hour and having to by food from the company store. Look at non-union companies like Wal Mart. 80% of their employees are on food stamps and Medicaid. Wal Mart employees are the largest receivers of food stamps in the nation.

http://www.politifact.com/tru...

In the meantime,

"We recently heard the astounding statistic that 6 members of the Walton family, heirs to the Walmart fortune, have a total wealth of $93 billion – more than the bottom 30% of Americans combined. At the same time, the family, which controls nearly 50% of company stock is raking in more than $2 billion/year in stock dividends alone."

Only an idiot would spout the BS that you do.

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Grandpa to Patent1 2012/12/08 19:23:48 (edited)
GuruA2J... to Patent1 2012/12/08 22:12:53

I'll bet you "Grandpa" doesn't support a living wage either.

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Patent1 to GuruA2J... 2012/12/09 01:27:02

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Hell no. He probably is Grandpa Walton.

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hasher 2012/12/08 14:42:30

Disagree

no one should be forced to join a union if they dont want to and the majority of workplaces dont need a union.

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hasher to hasher 2012/12/08 14:51:09

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i hate the fact that i live in forced to join a union state. most unions are too political and give money to ppl i dont support. wasnt my choice to be a union member.

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Patent1 to hasher 2012/12/08 17:07:44

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Right to work states have the lowest wages and highest unemployment. Why do you think that is?

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Getting... to Patent1 2012/12/08 17:10:27

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Because they are reacting to the destruction already wrought by unions?

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Patent1 to Getting... 2012/12/08 18:40:54

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All you have to do is look at Wal Mart to see the destruction wrought by non-union companies. The average wage at Wal Mart is $8.83/hr/, and the only reason they pay that much is so they won't have employees dropping dead in their stores..

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sjalan to Patent1 2012/12/08 18:50:00

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No they just get trampled by the mobs on Black Friday each year.

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Getting... to Patent1 2012/12/08 22:55:42

Well there is always fruit to pick or washing dishes. You know, the jobs illegal aliens take because no one else will do them. Hey it couldn't be that we have an anti-capitalist president (and supporters) trying to turn this political in order to cover for his failings could it? Nah...I'm just nuts.

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Patent1 to Getting... 2012/12/09 01:29:01

Yes, you are.

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rikonjohn to Patent1 2012/12/09 09:07:38

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You're partly correct on this. Walmart pays them that amount because it's the minimum they can get away with.

You know the TV program "Undercover Boss"? I'd like to see each of the Walmart heirs and heiresses spend one month each working in a Walmart store, and forced to live as a Walmart employee lives.

One month. At $8.83 an hour. And have them agree to live on that for that one month. But wait! You only reach the princely sum of $8.83 an hour after four years! So let's put them in at the federal minimum wage. And only able to avail themselves of those benefits available to a new Walmart employee.

What do you think?

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Patent1 to rikonjohn 2012/12/11 18:34:54

It would be a good exercize. But those people live in an insulated bubble. Look at Robme during his campaign. Offering to make a $10,000 bet with Rick Perry during a debate? Blatantly changing his position on a daily basis? Saying he didn't care about "those people" referring to 47% of the American population? Rich people must be surrounded with others that agree with them all the time, no matter what they say. I doubt they could function outside their protective bubble.

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Patent1 to hasher 2012/12/08 17:07:12 (edited)

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Look at Wal Mart then. Their employees are the largest receivers of food stam[s and Medicare in the nation. They are also threatened with being fired for even discussing a union. How do you think they would vote if they had the chance?

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bill.fl... to Patent1 2012/12/08 18:35:39

Totally off subject as to what is going on in MI.

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sjalan to bill.fl... 2012/12/08 18:41:00

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There are WalMarts in MI too.

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