Oklahoma Republican delegates: should Ron Paul contest them?
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The Oklahoma Republican convention ended with a contestable official
result, two delegations, and even fisticuffs. The only certain result is
more bad blood than ever between supporters of Ron Paul and Mitt
Romney.
Two Oklahoma Republican delegations
Representative Ron Paul (R-TX-14). Photo: US House of Representatives
The Oklahoma Republican primary was a “Super Tuesday” (March 6) primary. At the end
of it, Ron Paul got less than ten percent of the vote, and no
delegates. Rick Santorum got 14 delebates, Mitt Romney 13, and Newt
Gingrich another 13. Three more delegates will be uncommitted.
Last weekend the Oklahoma Republican Party held the convention to choose the delegates. And, as they have done in other States, supporters of Ron Paul sought to choose themselves
as delegates. They hope to deny Mitt Romney a nomination on the first
ballot and perhaps even challenge and overturn the “binding rules” from
the National Convention floor.
Mitt Romney’s supporters do not want that to happen. But after what did happen, no one can claim to have settled anything.
American Vision News has this summary of reports from NewsOK and The Manchester Independent Examiner. Other reports came in from the Associated Press, Catherine Poe of The Washington Times, PolicyMic (two reports, one from Oklahoma and another from Arizona), and The Arizona Republic.
At least 600 Ron Paul supporters (40 percent of total attendees)
showed up at the Oklahoma Republican convention. Tempers flared early.
Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin spoke to the convention to endorse Mitt
Romney. Ron Paul’s supporters objected to that and cried “Boo!” several
times.
That was only the beginning. Ron Paul supporters, according to
PolicyMic, won 9 of the first 15 delegates. The dispute began as the
convention tried to choose the other 25. Ron Paul supporters charge that
the Oklahoma Republican officials repeatedly set aside the rules. This
provoked a chant of:
Follow the rules! Follow the rules!
Then things got worse:
- At least three Ron Paul supporters said later that some of Mitt
Romney’s supporters struck them with their fists, in the back of the
head or in the small of the back. - Someone turned off the lights and moved the movable walls to block people’s view of the proceedings.
Finally, the Oklahoma Republican chairman held a voice vote to pick 25 delegates and 25 alternates. The Oklahoma Republican Party rules clearly state that the convention must hold a roll-call vote to pick delegates. They did not. And after picking this slate, they promptly adjourned the convention.
So Ron Paul’s supporters gathered in the parking lot. They contend
that the proceedings inside the convention hall were totally
illegitimate. They cited the voice vote and the highly irregular
adjournment. So they held their own “rump convention” and, according to
the Examiner article, won 95 percent of the delegates.
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Will Oklahoma send two delegations to Tampa? Question: does Ron Paul have a good case to contest the "official" delegation and seat his own instead, from whatever sense you can make out of the reports coming out of Norman, OK?
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Top Opinion
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Yes, Ron Paul should contest the delegation.
+12The alleged announcement that Ron Paul has run out of money, complicates matters. But from what I was able to figure out, that delegation, that the "officials" picked by voice vote after vetting them for over a *year*, cannot stand.
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were fo...
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were followed by the Paul supporters. The rules were not followed by the GOP committees, period. If you know the facts, you know there is no debate. If you don't know the facts, you can whine all day long and be a sore loser all you want but it doesn't change any rules and it doesn't change the facts.
Ron Paul will probably not get the nomination, it has always been a long shot at best, but he has used the system in place to make the best effort possible for a relative unknown candidate with no support from the media, no support from big banks, no support from big corporations, only the support of every day Americans that believe in his policies.
Both Romney and Obama are supported by the same big banks and corporations, so who's best interest do you think either of those guys will be looking out for? Hint: not yours.
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were followed...
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were followed by the Paul supporters. The rules were not followed by the GOP committees, period. If you know the facts, you know there is no debate. If you don't know the facts, you can whine all day long and be a sore loser all you want but it doesn't change any rules and it doesn't change the facts.
Ron Paul will probably not get the nomination, it has always been a long shot at best, but he has used the system in place to make the best effort possible for a relative unknown candidate with no support from the media, no support from big banks, no support from big corporations, only the support of every day Americans that believe in his policies.
Both Romney and Obama are supported by the same big banks and corporations, so who's best interest do you think either of those guys will be looking out for? Hint: not yours.
Romney is not saying a word ... and why should he ... he got away with destroying material when he left MA as governor why would he change his spots now with the entire GOP helping him cheat!!!
Now to the question.... Yes he should contest the delegation. They broke their own rules, and that is not a good example to the party, the country, their friends, or their dissenters.
Moreover, violation of the rules they set, disqualifies those delegates from participation.
here is a little known fact about primaries. if you win them you get the delegates.
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were followed...
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were followed by the Paul supporters. The rules were not followed by the GOP committees, period. If you know the facts, you know there is no debate. If you don't know the facts, you can whine all day long and be a sore loser all you want but it doesn't change any rules and it doesn't change the facts.
Ron Paul will probably not get the nomination, it has always been a long shot at best, but he has used the system in place to make the best effort possible for a relative unknown candidate with no support from the media, no support from big banks, no support from big corporations, only the support of every day Americans that believe in his policies.
Both Romney and Obama are supported by the same big banks and corporations, so who's best interest do you think either of those guys will be looking out for? Hint: not yours.
----- Boris Bazhanov's Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were followed...
I've watched the cell phone videos, I've read the accounts from people attending the caucus meetings and actual delegates. The Paul supporters are playing by the RNC's own rules down to the letter. They have been extremely careful to adhere to the rules so the final results can not be contested by the GOP or RNC. The RNC's own lawyer has stated as such.
Ron Paul has every right to contest these delegate selections because the rules were followed by the rump caucus but proper rules were not followed at the original scheduled meeting.
There really is nothing to debate. The rules are in place. The rules were followed by the Paul supporters. The rules were not followed by the GOP committees, period. If you know the facts, you know there is no debate. If you don't know the facts, you can whine all day long and be a sore loser all you want but it doesn't change any rules and it doesn't change the facts.
Ron Paul will probably not get the nomination, it has always been a long shot at best, but he has used the system in place to make the best effort possible for a relative unknown candidate with no support from the media, no support from big banks, no support from big corporations, only the support of every day Americans that believe in his policies.
Both Romney and Obama are supported by the same big banks and corporations, so who's best interest do you think either of those guys will be looking out for? Hint: not yours.
One good thing about his running is it blocks that loony son of his from running. Rand won't run against Ron.
You should be complaining about Romney and the Media for not informing his supporters of the rules, or the RNC for setting up the rules in a way that completely ignores the meaningless strawpolls.
Its not Ron Paul's fault that the majority of people are ignorant of the nominee selection process or for the rules.
Rules my butt....
You should be proud of how you back the lesser of two evils ... stand up! Be Proud!! Because we know you're not going to pick character, fiscal responsiblity, or the constitution over a liar and cheat in the Oval Office ... whether it be Obama or Romney