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Obama's justice department denies constitutional rights to enemy combatants in Afghanistan. Will leftists show consistency in their criticism?

FanOreilly 2009/02/22 19:53:12
Yes, most leftists are principle based and will show consistency by criticizing Barack Obama just as they criticized George W. Bush
No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
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Obama Department of Justice: Enemy Combatants In Afghanistan Have 'no constitutional rights'

I remember many leftists accusing George W. Bush of being a war criminal for denying enemy combatants ACLU lawyers in foreign detention centers.

I remember hearing from leftists how George W. Bush had 'shredded' the constitution for not giving jihadis caught in battle against US troops in Kandahar the full spectrum of constitutional rights as a shop-lifter caught in Minneapolis.

Now that Barack Obama's justice department (once again) carries-on a Bush policy, will leftists attack Barack Obama with the same fervor they attacked George W. Bush?
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  • Larson Whipsnade 2009/04/12 09:04:50
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    Larson Whipsnade
    +3
    sodahead shows that every day! liberals will lambaste republicans for everything from halitosis to Hurricanes, but when their own politicians do exactly the same thing themselves, they get thunderous applause.
  • JP 2009/03/18 16:09:53
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    JP
    It's the failed policies of the last eight years!? um..ah.. turn the word machine back on please!
  • lslsttn 2009/03/18 02:13:38
    Yes, most leftists are principle based and will show consistency by criticizi...
    lslsttn
    The link goes to something about covering your asp, not anything about this subject. I don't know if I'm a leftist or not, but GWB was wrong, wrong wrong and it showed beause an innocent man got beaten to death at GITMO. Innocent. Not jihad, Not enemy combatant. Innocent. So now you say that Barack Obama is doing the same thing, but your link goes to an advertisement! Whether I'm a leftist, I don't know and don't care, as long as innocent people don't get beaten to death! Whether the people picked up in Afghanistan are innocent, whether they are going to be considered war criminals, I sure couldn't make an educated comment with the information this link leads to! Jeez.
  • Kino 2009/03/17 18:56:42
    Yes, most leftists are principle based and will show consistency by criticizi...
    Kino
    Well, I can't speak for all liberals but I hold Pres Obama to the same standards as I held Pres Bush. I laud his appeal of Fed funding for stem cell research, I detest the fact that the damn stimulus bill has so many earmarks. Holding prisoners or enemy combatants without accusation isn't a good course for the U.S. to take.
  • aaron 2009/03/02 21:12:24
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    aaron
    +2
    Thou shalt not question the Messiah.
  • Cookinfool 2009/02/23 20:29:46
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    Cookinfool
    +1
    Are we talking about those "alleged" enemy combatants?
  • Bridgid † Sluagh-ghairm † 2009/02/23 17:03:45
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    Bridgid  † Sluagh-ghairm †
    +2
    Honestly, most of his followers don't have a clue what he does. They don't care as long as he still walks on water.
  • wolfshadow 2009/02/23 16:10:40
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    wolfshadow
    +1
    Sorry I had to guess at an an answer...

    George Bush took people from foreign lands and dropped them on an island with no tribunal of any kind.

    Afghanistan is NOT inside the US and they are not entitled to ANYTHING under the US Constitution. Enemy Combatants would fall under the Geneva Convention, which we *try* to abide by but are NOT signatories of.
  • FanOreilly wolfshadow 2009/03/01 04:38:27
    FanOreilly
    >Enemy Combatants would fall under the Geneva Convention,

    No, POW's are subject to the Geneva Conventions.

    When Al Qaida signs the Geneva Convention then perhaps.
  • Lance 2009/02/23 06:13:35
  • Ahrtal Lance 2009/02/23 20:22:43
    Ahrtal
    +3
    ".....anti-American zionists or zionist ass lickers." Are you aware that this isn't www.GrandwizardKKK.com? The crap about stupid conservatives or evangelical types I understand, typical HuffPo rant......Are you suffering from schizophrenia? I'm nor sure if you are a liberal or a Klansperson (Jus' tryin' ta be p'litcally correct!). Now if yer a holocaust denier and a 9/11 conspirator theorist ya might just be a Liberal Democrat.
  • Lance Ahrtal 2009/02/24 01:16:01
    Lance
    simple ass...., ya sound like a zionist ass licker but never ya mind, but just try and inform/educate yourself and you can start with President Carter's book, Palestine Peace Not Apartheid found in your local public library or Amazon.com. But probably The Israel Lobby by John Mearsheimer (Univ. of Chicago) and Stephen Walt (Harvard) is the most definitive and comprehensive book regarding our political landscape being held hostage by the pro-Israel crowd which is mostly Jewish and not Christian. I recommend these books as starters only if you read or are able to read beyond your comic books, newspapers and the blogs here at this site. Most zionists are Jews but not all. Even some decent Jews are repulsed by the Israel lobby tail wagging the American dog. Christian zionists are just dumbass evangelical conservative dupe zionist ass lickers anyway and are manipulated like crap but thankfully are in reality a fringe element in the overall picture. I'm just an American and NOT Israeli firster. I'm not into killing little children in Gaza and know that our government supports Israel in doing this and has not condemned it, restrained the zionist bastard state one iota. It is so Un Christian but then again, the Jews are doing the killing and it's old testament implementation of an "eye for..."'''''''
    simple ass...., ya sound like a zionist ass licker but never ya mind, but just try and inform/educate yourself and you can start with President Carter's book, Palestine Peace Not Apartheid found in your local public library or Amazon.com. But probably The Israel Lobby by John Mearsheimer (Univ. of Chicago) and Stephen Walt (Harvard) is the most definitive and comprehensive book regarding our political landscape being held hostage by the pro-Israel crowd which is mostly Jewish and not Christian. I recommend these books as starters only if you read or are able to read beyond your comic books, newspapers and the blogs here at this site. Most zionists are Jews but not all. Even some decent Jews are repulsed by the Israel lobby tail wagging the American dog. Christian zionists are just dumbass evangelical conservative dupe zionist ass lickers anyway and are manipulated like crap but thankfully are in reality a fringe element in the overall picture. I'm just an American and NOT Israeli firster. I'm not into killing little children in Gaza and know that our government supports Israel in doing this and has not condemned it, restrained the zionist bastard state one iota. It is so Un Christian but then again, the Jews are doing the killing and it's old testament implementation of an "eye for an eye" so it wouldn't matter that it's not Christian anyways. The mere fact that such mixture of state and religion is going on over there is another repulsive feature when it's so contrary to our constitution of separation of religion and state. It is contrary to our values as a nation, contrary to our civil rights and contrary to human rights, murdering of innocent children in Gaza AND Lebanon is damn wrong, enough is enough and people are now fed up with it. Dump Israel, it's more trouble than it's worth considering the Muslims have 99% of people, land and resources. Sorry but we've been backing the wrong horse since '48!
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  • Ahrtal Lance 2009/02/24 05:05:40
    Ahrtal
    +1
    Certainly sounds like right out of the "Myth of the Twentieth Century" or "Mein Kampf" to me. Oh, I read those in the original German, by the way. Guess you do believe in the International Jewish Conspiracy from what I've read in your response above. In fact, one would perceive from your writing that you have some real animosity toward Jews. BUT.....I do believe that there should be an autonomous Palestinian State, contrary to your perceptions of my cursory comment, which was directed at it sounding like a National Socialist, not a Liberal Democrat. I have believed for years in a Palestinian State; that was the intent of the UN in the original Partition. Had the Arab States not attacked israel soon after the partition, there probaably would have been. As to the present situation, so far, the Hamas and Hizballah leaderships have decided to lob rockets into Israel; Israel counters. Hamas and Hizballah need to rethink that. You don't continue to bring a knife to a gunfight. If the Palestinian people did not believe in the destruction of Israel, why wouldn't they get rid of those factions responsible for their misery? Don't get me wrong, Israel doesn't have clean hands, either in this conflict, but if somebody repeatedly comes after me with a stick, I will have have a bigger sti...'

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    Certainly sounds like right out of the "Myth of the Twentieth Century" or "Mein Kampf" to me. Oh, I read those in the original German, by the way. Guess you do believe in the International Jewish Conspiracy from what I've read in your response above. In fact, one would perceive from your writing that you have some real animosity toward Jews. BUT.....I do believe that there should be an autonomous Palestinian State, contrary to your perceptions of my cursory comment, which was directed at it sounding like a National Socialist, not a Liberal Democrat. I have believed for years in a Palestinian State; that was the intent of the UN in the original Partition. Had the Arab States not attacked israel soon after the partition, there probaably would have been. As to the present situation, so far, the Hamas and Hizballah leaderships have decided to lob rockets into Israel; Israel counters. Hamas and Hizballah need to rethink that. You don't continue to bring a knife to a gunfight. If the Palestinian people did not believe in the destruction of Israel, why wouldn't they get rid of those factions responsible for their misery? Don't get me wrong, Israel doesn't have clean hands, either in this conflict, but if somebody repeatedly comes after me with a stick, I will have have a bigger stick, and I'll stop him permanently, or make him incapable of raising a stick against me ever again.

    I don't see Israel as being a theocracy, whereas the Palestinians are ruled by their clerics and their interpretation of the Koran, which includes as a plank vowing the destruction of Israel. I actually see that as the biggest roadblock to peace and stabilization in that region. I have been to Israel and to the area of Bethlehem ceded to the Palestinians. It is like night and day. I've seen the checkpoints. One could feel the tension. The day before I went to Jerusalem and Bethlehem, a tourist bus with Western Europeans was attacked by Palestinian "freedom fighters". Not a great way to get sympathy for your cause. I saw no religious trappings in Tel Aviv, nor Jaffa; of course I did in Jerusalem. It's a given,since all three major religions have deep roots there. In Bethlehem, however, the Mosque of Omar dominated the area of the Church of the Nativity and we were just in time for noon prayers. Your perception of Israel fighting because of the "eye for an eye" business in the Torah is false. Israel is pretty much a secular state:


    "The organs of government and state power neither derive their legal authority from religion or church nor their legitimation from any divine source. It cannot be claimed with any semblance of realism that state and church are coequal partners in the governance of the state. Indeed, all legal powers of the religious institutions and organs are ultimately devolved upon them by the state. " (Emanuel Gutman, A Religion in Israeli Politics,@ in Jacob Landau, ed., Man, State, and Society in the Contemporary Middle East, NY: Praeger, 1972, p. 123.)

    You cannot separate Islam from the state in the Islam world. All governance derives from the Koran. The Israeli Knesset has an Arab party (United Arab List-Ta'al, 4 members). How many Jewish or Israeli parties are represented in each of the Muslim nations? Given, Judaism is the prevalent religion in Israel, but I've not heard of any public stonings for adultery or hangings for being gay. There were bans against those in the Torah. Wish I could say the same for Iran, Afghanistan, or those other theocracies embracing Islam. Oh, I'm not Jewish by the way, although my daughter is married to the son of a holocaust survivor. She was in Dachau from 1943 to 1945, and was liberated at 15 years old. God, how could a conservative right wing bigot allow that to happen? Oh, and I collect WWII German militaria. Guess you got me figured out, right? Like I always say, "liberals aren't."

    Have fun stewing in your hate, Lance.
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  • FanOreilly Ahrtal 2009/03/01 04:39:22
    FanOreilly
    +1
    Lance appears to be a sock-puppet user blocked before for obscenity and racism.

    it is a compliment if he does not like you.
  • Ahrtal FanOreilly 2009/03/01 12:19:50
    Ahrtal
    +2
    I'll certainly consider it as such.
  • dahacks 2009/02/23 04:26:31
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    dahacks
    +2
    there's no explaining insanity.. you cant explain a lib to be fair
  • Common Sense Conservative 2009/02/23 03:14:25
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    Common Sense Conservative
    +2
    Well stated as NO
  • Samurai ORC 2009/02/23 02:15:14
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    Samurai ORC
    +3
    All they do is whine about bush...soon that will get old and the REAL Americans will begin to hold Obama accountable and see through his political smoke.
  • Molly 2009/02/23 02:13:33
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    Molly
    +3
    they have to protect their own they will not show any criticism to any problem the O man has.
  • Molly Molly 2009/02/23 02:20:01
    Molly
    +2
    They will not criticize the O mans administration for any thing. With our borders open and the open door to the refuge from Palestine is a little concerning to me.
  • Texoma 2009/02/23 02:12:48
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    Texoma
    +4
    One of the true oxy-morons of our time....Liberal consistency.

    As with the way they dictate policy, you must ask, which way is the wind blowing today? That determines the fervor to which they are committed to an idea.
  • wildfeistykitten2003 2009/02/23 02:04:19
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    wildfeistykitten2003
    +6
    Of course they won't gig him for it. They'll pat him on the back like it is all his grand idea and still critize Bush for anything and everything.
  • Kino wildfei... 2009/03/17 19:00:19
    Kino
    No. I don't blame President Bush for everything. President Obama has to be held as accountable as Pres Bush was. Why on earth would it be any different for a liberal president than it was for a conservative president?

    Does that mean I don't think Pres. Bush made any mistakes? I think he made several. No president, no matter how good their intention, is going to please everyone.
  • WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB 2009/02/23 02:01:33
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +4
    They can't. They must walk in lock step.
  • krister 2009/02/23 01:47:51
    No most leftists will reveal their hipocrisy by only attacking Republicans
    krister
    ......and most rightists will reveal their hypocrisy by only attacking Democrats.

    Anyone that supports the torture of terror suspects is a complete fool. There are few more effective ways to make it easier for extremists find more recruits.
  • Molly krister 2009/02/23 02:15:09
    Molly
    +1
    I will have you know that both parties are at fault I for one hold no criticism back from any party they prop each other up. So you're rightest tort has no substance.
  • krister Molly 2009/02/23 03:07:02
    krister
    Please, don't be an idiot.

    Can you read? I clearly said "MOST rightists", not all.
  • Common ... krister 2009/02/23 03:18:45
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    I guess that makes me a fool. And if I have to be a fool to see our great country stay safe then so be it.
  • krister Common ... 2009/02/23 03:27:37 (edited)
    krister
    Your foolishness creates more danger for this country and the rest of the world as well. Being a fool, I can understand that you'd get confused there.

    You must believe that "they hate us for our freedoms".
  • Beccy krister 2009/02/23 18:05:37
    Beccy
    They hate us because we stand behind Isreal no matter what they do to others. They hate us because we use up all the resources and then want more. They hate us because we have become the policemen of the world,
  • krister Beccy 2009/02/23 19:40:15
    krister
    Are you serious?
  • Ahrtal krister 2009/02/23 20:31:34
    Ahrtal
    Serious??? I wanna know whose side she's on? I thought she was one of you'ns.
  • krister Ahrtal 2009/02/23 20:33:58
    krister
    You'ns?

    What sides are there, may I ask?
  • Ahrtal krister 2009/02/23 23:11:31
    Ahrtal
    I fear there are too many to count.
  • Beccy krister 2009/02/24 00:06:59
    Beccy
    yes
  • krister Beccy 2009/02/24 00:57:42
    krister
    It's good to find more people that can see all of those things.

    There are far too many people that think it is okay to stereotype Muslims and Arabs.
  • Beccy krister 2009/02/26 03:23:01
    Beccy
    We need to look at them from their culture and not ours. They are human beings and deserve our respect until their behave in such a way to dislike them.
  • FanOreilly krister 2009/03/01 04:42:35
    FanOreilly
    For bullying others, you will be blocked.
  • Common ... krister 2009/04/15 19:11:42
    Common Sense Conservative
    They hate us enough to want to kill all of us.
  • FanOreilly krister 2009/03/01 04:41:53
    FanOreilly
    Hypocrisy?

    Conservatives have been criticizing Bush for years.

    >Anyone that supports the torture of terror suspects is a complete fool.

    So Barry Obama is a complete fool?

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