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The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) declared President Barack Obama's health care legislation a "tax" -- despite Obama repeatedly saying the opposite.

President Obama argued with George Stephanopoulos on ABC News. I've taken some excerpts to show the salient points and included the video of the heated exchange at the bottom. Remember... Stephanopoulos worked in the Clinton White House when Hillary Clinton tried to pass the same federal takeover of healthcare.

STEPHANOPOULOS: … during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?

OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. [Obama continues to ramble about why he wants the legislation, but denies calling ACA a tax].

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That's not true, George....[more rambling]... No, but—but, George, you—you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any …

STEPHANOPOULOS: I—I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's dictionary: Tax—"a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.


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  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/28 16:51:22
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +10
    It is a tax and the president, our "constitutional expert", lied to the American people over and over and over.

    Need to toss them all out, toss out this bad law and put in some common sense

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  • sbtbill TruBluT... 2012/06/29 00:01:05 (edited)
    sbtbill
    With or without Obamacare you'd be paying about the same. That is why we need medicare for all.
    With or without Obamacare the cost is going to go up. That is why we need medicare for all.
    With or without Obamacare it will cost to much to train doctors. That is why we need to cut the cost of education for students.
    Name me one major insurance company that doesn't sell insurance in at least 45 states with a home office in just one? We already have interstate sales.
    A number of states have enacted Tort reform. Which one of these saw costs go down?
    Health savings accounts only work if you have money to save. How much could you save per year?

    Obamacare isn't great but it is better then what we had before. Medicare for all would be better.
  • TruBluT... sbtbill 2012/06/29 02:13:20
    TruBluTopaz
    The cost would not have gone up if tort reform had been implemented. But too many of Obama's friends are trial lawyers that get rich off of class action suits.
    The cost would not have gone up had the Democrats not locked Republicans out of the conference with Big Pharma.
    The cost would not have gone up if portability was allowed to create real competition for rates.
    The cost would not have gone up if the focus had been on the uninsured only rather than an overreach to implement redistribution of wealth through surreptitious means.
    If you think the IRS won't go into your bank account and suddenly think you can pay more, then you are wrong.
  • sbtbill TruBluT... 2012/06/29 17:09:08
    sbtbill
    I deal with the IRS way to much. This law has no affect on what the IRS can look at. I know that because they have been able to look at everything and do since the 30's.

    Name me a state that enacted tort reform and saw prices stay stable or go down.

    Portability and guaranteed insurability are about the same thing. The problem is that most people get a large part of their health taxes (premiums) indirectly paid by their employer. When that goes away they see the real cost. Since about year 2000 business has been getting out of giving health insurance as a benefit. I expect that to continue. Business can not afford that benefit anymore.

    Yes Obama bought of big pharma. I don't think the Republicans were that upset about that.

    Medicaid is the focus on the uninsured the states don't like that. The mandate is a focus on the uninsured. The young don't like that.
  • TruBluT... sbtbill 2012/06/29 17:14:14
    TruBluTopaz
    You are clueless. Within the bill is funding for hundreds of new IRS agents whose specific jobs will be investigating private bank accounts to ascertain what is considered "affordable" for individuals. As for the Big Pharma issue, yes the Republicans most certainly were mad at being literally locked out of negotiations. The made deals that will not lower costs, but preserve the companies position as campaign contributors to the DNC. Medicaid is the one area where SCOTUS said the Feds cannot limit money to states that don't want to expand aid. You haven't read a single thing on this have except DNC talking points. Stop wasting people's time with disinformation.
  • D D TruBluT... 2012/06/29 11:51:56
    D D
    I totally understand you. I can't afford the monthly cost and I cannot afford the deductible to actually use the insurance! People are stupid enough to think the price is going to go down when people are forced to buy.
  • sbtbill D D 2012/06/29 17:09:37
    sbtbill
    I agree the price isn't going to go down. We need medicare for all.
  • VintageLys 2012/06/28 21:06:39
    Obamacare is Not a Tax Increase
    VintageLys
    well..it shouldn't be
    it shouldn't exist!
  • Schläue~© 2012/06/28 20:34:11
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    Schläue~©
    +4
    Not that this monstrosity was ever about health-care to begin with..... rather 'insurance' and govt. CONTROL .... but from now on it will be known as 0bamaTAX..... no longer 0bamacare.
    THAT is the point that needs to be driven home .... that once again, the BIG LIE is all the usurper knows.
  • Idiot repubs 2012/06/28 20:15:10
    Obamacare is Not a Tax Increase
    Idiot repubs
    +4
    LOL! I love watching the right wingers melt down at the thought of Americans being helped.
  • Q Idiot r... 2012/06/28 20:27:13
    Q
    +2
    I hear ya! Just look at the nutter a few post down who is truly out of his tiny little mind, he's clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer if he believes any of that right wing nonsense he posted.
    kru
  • D D Q 2012/06/29 12:22:39
    D D
    If you are talking about Daniel he isn't nuts. There are some parts that are true that are a part of Obamacare, like being chipped. The chip will have all info about you. We already have that in people now, not everyone, but that will change. How much will be programmed into the chips is another matter. Would they even tell us? They can do it remotely. There is info about it allover the web.
  • Q D D 2012/06/29 12:35:20 (edited)
    Q
    This is another myth being propagated across the right wing blogosphere, you seem to think that since all these far right blogs write about it that it must be true when in fact its been debunked. They based this false rumor on a version of legislation that was never passed: HR 3200. And the subsequent passed legislation HR4872 did not mandate that the rifd chip be implanted for any reason. Its about creating a registry for tracking implanted medical devices (pace makers for example) that allows the dept. of Health and Human services to efficiently collect data about their effectiveness along with helping them concerning recall notices.

    And no they do not release cyanide on command, that part was hilarious! I can't believe anyone is stupid enough to believe it let alone post it here for everyone to see.
    http://www.snopes.com/politic...
  • Kane Fernau 2012/06/28 20:10:21
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    Kane Fernau
    +2
    Free healthcare ain't free!
  • Steve 2012/06/28 20:02:51
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    Steve
    +4
    The individual mandate is a "tax penalty." This is not quite the same as a "tax" Obama was technically correct. The Court decided that there was no Constitutional difference, and that's their call.

    There are a whole bunch of taxes in the ACA, but also a lot of relief for those purchasing coverage, including the poor and businesses, especially small business. This is as it should be.
  • Daniel 2012/06/28 19:53:57
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    Daniel
    +3
    MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE TAXES ISSUES ITS WHATS HIDDEN IN THE HEALTH ACT THAT WOULD MAKE HITLER SMILE

    HEALTH BILL HAS BEEN RULED CONSTITUTIONAL ! THESE ARE SOME OF THE HIDDEN FACTS! YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOLD ABOUT, BUT CAN READ IT IN THE 2000 PAGES. THAT IS NOW YOUR FUTURE! IT IS THE LAW THEY CN DO THESE THINGS TO YOU. AND ALL YOU LIBERALS VOTED THIS ANIMAL IN.


    ALL BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LIBERALS SOCIALISTS PROGRESSIVES. HITLER WOULD BE SO PROUD AND ENVIOUS. OF THE ABILITY TO TRACK, MURDER AND FEED PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.

    #1: ALL PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO BE CHIPPED WITH A RFID TAG

    #2: THE RFID CHIP CAN DELIVER CYANIDE AT THE GOVERNMENTS CONTROL TO KILL YOU.

    #3: THE GOVERNMENT HAS COMPLETE ACCESS AND CONTROL OVER YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AT ALL TIMES. THEY CAN TAKE YOUR MONEY WHEN EVER THEY FEEL THE NEED. YOU CAN'T STOP THEM'

    #4: THEY CAN NO MAKE IT CRIMINAL FOR YOU TO BE OVER WEIGHT

    #5: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO HAVE OVER WEIGHT CHILDREN

    #6: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS AND NO APPROVED HEALTHY/ ORGANIC FOODS

    #7: THEY NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW YOU TO DIE, WHEN THEY FEEL, (not you) BUT THEY FEEL ITS CHEAPER TO LET YOU OR PEOPLE IN YOUR GROUP, OF SIMILAR SICK PEOPLE TO DIE.

    #8: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL \ IF YOU HAVE...



    MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE TAXES ISSUES ITS WHATS HIDDEN IN THE HEALTH ACT THAT WOULD MAKE HITLER SMILE

    HEALTH BILL HAS BEEN RULED CONSTITUTIONAL ! THESE ARE SOME OF THE HIDDEN FACTS! YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOLD ABOUT, BUT CAN READ IT IN THE 2000 PAGES. THAT IS NOW YOUR FUTURE! IT IS THE LAW THEY CN DO THESE THINGS TO YOU. AND ALL YOU LIBERALS VOTED THIS ANIMAL IN.

    EVIL LEADERS
    ALL BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LIBERALS SOCIALISTS PROGRESSIVES. HITLER WOULD BE SO PROUD AND ENVIOUS. OF THE ABILITY TO TRACK, MURDER AND FEED PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.

    #1: ALL PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO BE CHIPPED WITH A RFID TAG

    #2: THE RFID CHIP CAN DELIVER CYANIDE AT THE GOVERNMENTS CONTROL TO KILL YOU.

    #3: THE GOVERNMENT HAS COMPLETE ACCESS AND CONTROL OVER YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AT ALL TIMES. THEY CAN TAKE YOUR MONEY WHEN EVER THEY FEEL THE NEED. YOU CAN'T STOP THEM'

    #4: THEY CAN NO MAKE IT CRIMINAL FOR YOU TO BE OVER WEIGHT

    #5: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO HAVE OVER WEIGHT CHILDREN

    #6: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS AND NO APPROVED HEALTHY/ ORGANIC FOODS

    #7: THEY NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW YOU TO DIE, WHEN THEY FEEL, (not you) BUT THEY FEEL ITS CHEAPER TO LET YOU OR PEOPLE IN YOUR GROUP, OF SIMILAR SICK PEOPLE TO DIE.

    #8: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL \ IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER BABY, WHEN THEY SAY YOU HAVE HAD ENOUGH KIDS, AND FORCE YOU TO BE STERILIZED TO SAVE THE SYSTEM MONEY ! OR KILL YOU.. YOUR CHOICE.

    THESE ARE ALL FACTS !! READ THE HEALTH BILL AND ITS LAWS. ITS ALL RIGHT THERE AND EVERYTHING I JUST SAID IS A FACT !

    EVIL LEADERS
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  • The Pro Daniel 2012/06/28 22:41:42
    The Pro
    +2
    I did read most of the bill, not everything granted, and I just did not see any of this.
  • CHUCK -... The Pro 2012/06/28 22:55:45
    CHUCK - Liberal in Seattle
    +2
    This guy is still voting foe Bachman, looking for death panels.
  • The Pro CHUCK -... 2012/06/28 23:35:31
    The Pro
    +1
    There may be aspects of the act that people may disagree with or do not like but I do believe this a complete distortion.
  • Daniel The Pro 2012/06/29 08:55:15
    Daniel
    GEE, MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO GOOGLE IT. I'M NOT GOING TO SPOON FEED YOU.
    ITS ALL THERE IN AND ON GOOGLE.
  • The Pro Daniel 2012/06/29 14:23:31
    The Pro
    +1
    and because it is on the internet it is all true...OK
    That is ok because what you would be spoon feeding I want nothing to do with.
  • Daniel The Pro 2012/06/29 23:27:56
    Daniel
    I can't make you see reality ! cuz like a baby you through a fit !! Whaaaaaa!
    I'm not going to learn, and I will poop my pants to show you how right I am ! whaaa

    can t fix stupid
  • lee Daniel 2012/06/28 23:20:00
    lee
    +3
    you are a crazy person...

    i hear that the h/c ins programs in the exchange will be required to provied in-patient mental health care...

    you might want to look into it.
  • Daniel lee 2012/06/29 08:59:07
    Daniel
    DAM ! ANOTHER FRIGGING AGNOSTIC LIBERAL TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA!
    YOU PEOPLE ARE PURE EVIL! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE WORDS HONOR!
    YOUR SELFISH SELF CENTERED, PERIA ON AMERICA AND ARE PREDATORS THAT SHOULD BE DISPATCHED WITH PREDIGEST. ITS SO EASY TO SPOT YOUR HATEFUL RHETORIC AND BELIEFS, YOU ARE JUST LIKE YOUR EVIL LEADERS.
    CRAWL BACK INTO YOUR VIPERS PIT IN HELL WHERE YOU BELONG. STOP DESTROYING THE CONSTITUTION AND AMERICA. MORE OFTEN THEN NOT YOU AGNOSTICS AND ATHEISTS AGREE WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND AMERICA ! YOU FOLLOW EVIL INSTEAD OF GOOD !

    YOUR PROFILE SAYS IT ALL.


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    EVIL LEADERS
  • C. C. R... lee 2012/06/30 01:14:16
    C. C. Rider
    +1
    Would you believe that nut blocked me? LOL I must be really crazy. LOL LOL
  • The Pro C. C. R... 2012/07/02 18:42:29
    The Pro
    +1
    Same here...and I am the close minded immature one who throws fits.
  • lee The Pro 2012/07/05 18:44:14
    lee
    +2
    he's a few cows shy of a heard.
  • lee C. C. R... 2012/07/05 18:42:22
    lee
    +1
    did i call it, or what?

    holly cow.
  • C. C. R... lee 2012/07/06 01:37:39
    C. C. Rider
    +1
    lol YES you did!!!
  • the fuze 2012/06/28 19:45:19
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    the fuze
    Thanks a lot.
  • Ambassador II 2012/06/28 19:32:39
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    Ambassador II
    +2
    Oh JOY!! Now, those who have freeloaded on the system will have to pay some of their medical bills? Let's hear all the whining from these freeloaders and give them our sympathy.
  • D D Ambassa... 2012/06/30 10:53:58
    D D
    I wish. I haven't been able to get health care being insured. I am 45 and never had a mammogram . Last pap smear I had was in my mid 30's. Haven't had a physical since high school. Where are these people getting free healthcare?
  • Ambassa... D D 2012/06/30 23:32:55 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Go to any ER, complain of "chest pains" or "back pains". Tell the Doctor you felt a lump under your arm pit and sometimes find a drop or two of blood between menstrual periods. Doctor will take care of the rest. When you fill out the "Admission Form" put down a false address on the other side of town. That is how the millions who visit ERs every day to get free medical care do it. They take their kids here with every little drip from the nose, every bump on the head, each time they have a little temperature - it's all free to them as those who have insurances, or Medicaid, will pay for their visits. Go ahead, try it tomorrow and get back to us here next week to describe your experience.

    Because of the new law, passed in 2010, you cannot be refused insurance coverage or charged more for having a "pre existing condition", so if you wish to be insured you can. Be sure to inquire of the minimal coverage offered under the Federal program, which is much better than none and would prevent you being charged a penalty in 2014 for refusing to take care of this important responsibility.
  • D D Ambassa... 2012/07/01 07:44:25
    D D
    I will check this out. I know they cannot refuse me for pre-existing conditions, but they still can charge more. If Obamacare was a flat rate for everyone I'd feel a little better, I think?
  • Ambassa... D D 2012/07/02 04:33:33
    Ambassador II
    That would be a "single payer" system, like those other advanced cultures have found to be the solution to the many complex problems involved in medical care.
    France, England, Canada, Australia, Germany, and a host of other countries do it that way - a giant insurance program in which everyone must enroll and pay a share. When that is suggested here, the wails from the insurance companies, hospital corporations, nursing home operators, pharmaceutical manufacturers, drug retail chains, all those whose aggregate profits from the existing system total well beyond $3Trillion each year, they all spend $Billions to advertise and lobby that such things "won't work", and are "socialist" and (besides) they couldn't give their CEOs any more multi $Million bonuses every year if such were adopted. Just brings tears to your eyes, doesn't it?
  • bob'45 2012/06/28 19:28:40
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    bob'45
    +3
    Well it's official.....this is no longer the country I grew up in, and It's fast becoming a country I no longer want to have anything to do with.....thanks Obama!!!
  • lee bob'45 2012/06/28 23:20:29
    lee
    +2
    pay the stupid tax then.
  • Ambassa... lee 2012/06/29 01:08:41
    Ambassador II
    Freeloaders are really pissed today - they are bring asked to pay something toward their medical care. Can you imagine how that must hurt those who have used the ER for so long without paying a dime?
  • Ambassa... bob'45 2012/06/29 01:06:51
    Ambassador II
    So long. Send us a post card or a forwarding address, or just stay in touch here on SH. Best of luck to you.
  • SmittenKitten 2012/06/28 19:24:34
  • ordman 2012/06/28 19:18:51
    Obamacare is a Tax Increase
    ordman
    +1
    Who was it that said that elections have consequences? Who? That's right President Elect Obama on 11/5/2008. Chief Justice John Roberts said “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices." Justice Roberts may have just done for the Romney campaign what it couldn’t do for itself. Energize the base and to remind the independent moderate voter that just because you don’t vote for a Liberal Progressive for President that, that in its self doesn’t make you a racist.

    Nothing wakes you up faster than cool bucket of water in the face. I’m willing to bet that when the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America votes on 6th November 2012 that it won’t be for President Obama.

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