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Obamacare: It’s not just a big f***ing deal… It’s a big f***ing tax.

iamnothere 2012/07/01 16:35:07
WSJ Chief Economist: 75% of Obamacare Costs Will Fall on Backs of Those Making Less Than $120K a Year

By: Jim Hoft
6/30/2012



Take Your Medicine, America…

Stephen Moore, Senior Economics Writer with the Wall Street Journal, told FOX and Friends this morning that nearly 75% of Obamacare costs will fall on the backs of those Americans making less than $120,000 a year.


“It’s a big punch in the stomach to middle class families.”


Obamacare: It’s not just a big f***ing deal… It’s a big f***ing tax.

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  • Kane Fernau 2012/07/01 17:02:48
    Kane Fernau
    +5
    Drive the middle class to poverty so we can be a third world country where there are only rich and poor. Then we use class warfare to overthrow the rich like good Bolsheviks.

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  • mwg0735 2012/07/03 07:06:49
  • iamnothere mwg0735 2012/07/03 13:22:09
    iamnothere
    +1
    yes I knew that.. but there are 21 other taxes that are going to bite people in the A** Even those who think this a wonderful thing to cover people who choose not to do so themselves
  • none 2012/07/02 00:02:20
    none
    +1
    It sure is and anyone who's been paying attention already knows that.
  • apachehellfire65 2012/07/01 20:04:45
    apachehellfire65
    +2
    most of us already knew this.
  • iamnothere apacheh... 2012/07/01 22:07:47
    iamnothere
    +2
    there seem to be millions of morons who dont and many seem to be in the media
  • JessyBear 2012/07/01 18:52:17
    JessyBear
    +2
    The whole point of Obama care is to force the middle class down with the lower classes - that way there is only the rich and the poor. Then they can ration all of us together.
  • DebraJMSmith 2012/07/01 18:37:46 (edited)
    DebraJMSmith
    +2
    That's the truth! truth
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/07/01 18:32:17
    TruBluTopaz
    +2
    A tax is a tax is a tax. And since there won't be any individual taxes due between now and the election, people who will blindly support this as "free" healthcare will not realize the entire cost of the measure. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch and what is coming down the line equals a massive increase in premiums to everyone.
  • WGN 2012/07/01 18:28:42
    WGN
    +1
    And that cost is reported to be a whopping $90 a year.
    Give it a rest!
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/01 19:17:32
    iamnothere
    +1
    that is the tax.. you dweeb go look at what it is going to cost you on your medical insurance.. in some places it has already gone up as much as 40% with 10% being the average since they passed this abortion.. by the time they are finished.. you can keep your medical provider and insurance (if your provider decides to keep practicing and if you can afford to pay) On the other hand you may opt out and go with the exchanges.. curious if you think medicare and medicaid are being done well or if you think the VA is servicing at an outstandingly efficient and quality.. Remember medicaid is being reimbursed to the providers..,, Average being 60 -65% of medicare reimbursement rates.. which are generally 20 -30% less that what private insurance reimburses..

    Keep in mind.. that if you opt out you will be entering what amounts to be medicaid. So the cost of providing care goes up because they added 30 -50 million new people.. outright.. then reduce the number of physicians.. by 40% .. (this is the number provided by groups like the AMA ) indicating that about this many of the docs will just stop working and retire..

    All in all by 2015 you had better hope you dont ever get sick because you are going to die.. or get the least quality health care outside of Kenya
  • WGN iamnothere 2012/07/02 15:30:20
    WGN
    +1
    Healthcare reform is still necessary. My premiums in the last 10 years have gone up way more than what you propose that they will in the future.
    it is not the reform bill that made them go up, it is the unregulated health care business. Remember: "Profits before people."
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/03 04:30:44
    iamnothere
    +1
    got a letter from the hospital i use.. said they were fighting with BCBS.. then got a letter from BCBS said they were fighting with the hospital.. sad
  • WGN iamnothere 2012/07/03 16:08:14
    WGN
    It is always deny, deny, deny and after a while they hope that you get tired of filing the forms and give up.
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/04 02:28:12
    iamnothere
    you say that.. but my experience is that I went in .. I paid my deductible paid my Out of pocket limit.. and I was done.. all else was covered and paid.. PERIOD
  • WGN iamnothere 2012/07/04 22:29:22
    WGN
    I have had many bad experiences trying to get covered expenses paid or reimbursed. This was with Blue Cross/ Blue Shield which is now Anthem Health Care.
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/05 03:39:02
    iamnothere
    well living in California where it has become the land of incompetents I do not doubt you
  • Ozzyboy 2012/07/01 18:11:02
    Ozzyboy
    +2
    "If you can afford insurance and don't get it" you will get the penalty. There is only 1% that this applies to. For the other 48% who do not pay taxes because they are too "poor" with their hi def, large screen tv's, we, the middle, working class will pay the premiums for them. There's no doubt about it. Congratulations to the idiots who voted for the destruction of America 3 and half years ago.
  • iamnothere Ozzyboy 2012/07/01 19:19:05
    iamnothere
    +1
    What most people dont seem to understand and not sure if you do either.. Each year the tax goes up .. until by 2017 your cost will be equivilant to the average cost of health insurance.. either way you win for a couple of years then you will be shafted
  • Ozzyboy iamnothere 2012/07/01 19:34:28
    Ozzyboy
    +2
    Yes, I am aware of what is going on, why do you think it makes me so crazy. It's like your mortgage. As the mortgage payments get lower, the taxes get higher and take the place of the mortgage payments. We do not own our properties, we only rent them from the government. Isn't the 2017 cost supposed to be around $475.00? I forgot the exact figure. Maybe because I don't want to know.
  • iamnothere Ozzyboy 2012/07/01 22:08:39
    iamnothere
    +1
    currently its closer to $700 per person..
  • Ozzyboy iamnothere 2012/07/02 15:51:56
    Ozzyboy
    +1
    Sorry, I meant in addition to. Thanks.
  • WGN Ozzyboy 2012/07/02 15:32:55
    WGN
    The people who voted for the destruction of America are the ones who voted for the GOP in 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, and 2004.
    All of this mess came directly from conservative economic policies, starting with Reagan.
  • Ozzyboy WGN 2012/07/02 15:50:27
    Ozzyboy
    +1
    Nope! the total destruction is coming from the oppressive HC Clinton and O. But, I also know it doesn't matter what is true, it is just what you liberals believe in your own heads.
  • WGN Ozzyboy 2012/07/02 21:52:19
    WGN
    I am so sorry that you lack a grasp of the economic history and the idea of cause and effect.
    Back to class for you!

    "...As bad as the Great Recession was, it could have been much worse, even though that seems hard to believe. Remember that when conservatives try to run from the record of the Bush administration’s failed economic policies while also trying to reintroduce the very same failed policies. The consequences of conservatism were dire then and would be again."

    The Consequences of Conservatism
    Loss of Wealth Stunning During Great Recession

    The 2012 presidential primary season is already upon us and the Grand Old Party is, not surprisingly, engaged in a grand old opportunity to rewrite history about the causes and consequences of the Great Recession. So it’s time, once again, to set the record straight.
    The Great Recession was so great not just because of very sharp unemployment increases but also due to an unprecedented decline in wealth—as the Federal Reserve detailed in a report released this week. That wealth destruction is key to understanding the Great Recession since massive house price drops led to a foreclosure crisis that then fueled massive layoffs. Much of the unprecedented wealth destruction in 2007 and 2008 can be traced back to failed economic policies under Pr...













    I am so sorry that you lack a grasp of the economic history and the idea of cause and effect.
    Back to class for you!

    "...As bad as the Great Recession was, it could have been much worse, even though that seems hard to believe. Remember that when conservatives try to run from the record of the Bush administration’s failed economic policies while also trying to reintroduce the very same failed policies. The consequences of conservatism were dire then and would be again."

    The Consequences of Conservatism
    Loss of Wealth Stunning During Great Recession

    The 2012 presidential primary season is already upon us and the Grand Old Party is, not surprisingly, engaged in a grand old opportunity to rewrite history about the causes and consequences of the Great Recession. So it’s time, once again, to set the record straight.
    The Great Recession was so great not just because of very sharp unemployment increases but also due to an unprecedented decline in wealth—as the Federal Reserve detailed in a report released this week. That wealth destruction is key to understanding the Great Recession since massive house price drops led to a foreclosure crisis that then fueled massive layoffs. Much of the unprecedented wealth destruction in 2007 and 2008 can be traced back to failed economic policies under President George W. Bush and Reagan before him, when opportunities to put the economy and the labor market on the right track were ignored.
    Incoming President Barack Obama’s hand was thus forced to first pass the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 to save the economy from sliding deeper into an economic hole amid rising job losses, and to then tackle the problems that had been ailing the economy and American families—low incomes and rapidly rising prices for health care and energy—for the previous eight years.
    Wealth destruction probably doesn’t adequately capture what happened in the early stages of the crisis. Wealth was vaporized at a breathtaking, eye-popping speed. American families lost a total of $19.4 trillion (in 2010 dollars) in household wealth from June 2007 to March 2009, when the stimulus started to take hold. First it was the housing market, and then it was the housing and the stock market together that tanked. American families lost $6.4 trillion in home value during this period.
    Trillions of dollars are sometimes hard to grasp, so think of it this way: One complete house (at 2008 prices) was lost every 1.7 seconds during the Great Wealth Destruction. And this doesn’t even count what happened to American families’ rainy day funds and retirement savings.
    The story of the Great Recession unfolded very quickly after that. The drop in home values meant that fewer people wanted to build and buy new homes, putting a lot of construction workers out of work. And the drop in home values put many borrowers underwater, meaning they owed more on their mortgage than their house was worth, precipitating a massive wave in foreclosures. This ultimately threatened to bring down the entire U.S. financial system but it also tightened credit such that businesses couldn’t expand, even if they wanted to. Jobs disappeared across all industries, not just in construction, leading to the highest unemployment rate in almost 30 years.
    This crisis did not fall from the sky. We saw it coming. My colleague Scott Lilly and I pointed out in 2004 that the economic trends that ailed the economy and led to the sharp rise in household debt were unsustainable. American workers lived through the weakest labor market since the Great Depression after the previous recession ended in November 2001. Yet prices for key household items such as health care, energy, transportation, food, and housing rose, often at runaway speed. American families only managed to pay their bills by borrowing on their credit cards, for large consumer items and on their homes. The massive debt boom was a reflection of the economic squeeze American families were in during the 2000s.
    The sad part is that the Great Recession could have been prevented. The George W. Bush administration had several opportunities to seriously address the unfolding crisis.
    There were several chances to promote faster growth. The first opportunity came early in 2001 when Congress negotiated a tax bill pushed for by the newly inaugurated president. Rather than shovel enormous amounts of money to the top income earners with a tax bill that cost well more than $1 trillion in the first 10 years, the money could have been used to stimulate economic growth by giving middle-class families a boost and by investing in needed infrastructure such as new energy sources.
    OK, so policymakers missed the boat on this one. But Congress had another chance to address the looming crisis when President Bush pushed for another tax bill in 2003. This one was intended to stimulate growth through cuts in taxes for dividends and capital gains, among other things. The bill was derided by many economists as a woefully ineffective way to turn the economy around and to bring stronger job growth to American families. And true to this prediction, the years after the bill’s passage were marked with job growth that was about one-third below its long-term average.
    And there were opportunities to start to tackle high costs, particularly in health care and energy. The Medicare Modernization Act of 2003, a key piece of the Bush policy agenda, which added prescription drug benefits to Medicare, explicitly excluded two mechanisms that could have helped lower costs—allowing drug reimportation from other, cheaper countries such as Canada, and permitting Medicare to use its market power to negotiate lower drug prices.
    In addition, several versions of an energy bill that would have brought more alternative fuels and promoted greater energy efficiency were negotiated but never passed—in large measure because President Bush either did not make energy reform his priority or because he directly opposed the upfront costs necessary to invest in the country’s energy future.
    We are now climbing out of the hole that the failed economic policies of the Bush administration created. That’s why the more proper name for the Great Recession should be the Bush Recession.
    Indeed, President Obama took office and led the economy out of recession in June 2009, though much more remains to be done. Household wealth has been growing, at least outside of housing wealth, because the stock market has been doing OK. American families are now down only $12.8 trillion from where they were in June 2007. Job growth has come back for more than a year but we still have more than 7 million fewer jobs than at the start of the recession in December 2007. And the unemployment rate has been gradually declining from a high of 10 percent at the end of 2009.
    Wealth would be much lower and unemployment much higher without the constant policy attention of the Obama administration. The administration took massive quick steps necessary to prevent another Great Depression with the passage of the stimulus packet in early 2009. It also paid constant attention to economic growth and the labor market with support for small businesses that couldn’t get credit; with a health insurance bill that promises to lower health care inflation; with a financial regulatory reform bill that will shine some lights on the shadier players in the financial market; with a push for an energy bill that would have promoted alternative fuels and increased energy savings; and with extended unemployment benefits for those caught in the mess due to no fault of their own.
    As bad as the Great Recession was, it could have been much worse, even though that seems hard to believe. Remember that when conservatives try to run from the record of the Bush administration’s failed economic policies while also trying to reintroduce the very same failed policies. The consequences of conservatism were dire then and would be again.
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  • Ozzyboy WGN 2012/07/02 23:37:56
    Ozzyboy
    +1
    All I need to know is that you can't spend more than you have and you shouldn't take from workers to give to people who refuse to work. All the words in the world will not change those basic principles. We are done, you are not worth the time.
  • WGN Ozzyboy 2012/07/03 16:12:52
    WGN
    " ...to give to people who refuse to work." Just what do you think tax cuts for the wealthy are?
    Free money because they have money?
    None of them worked to get the tax cut money, so I see that you are against those also.
    More money (by amount- not %) is given away in entitlements in the form of tax cuts and tax loop holes to the wealthy, than is given to the poor.
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/03 04:33:53
    iamnothere
    +1
    suggest you go look at one thing that you seem unable to grasp.. everytime taxes are lowered income to the government rises dramatically that is a fact.. Sadly everytime the congress just spends lots more than comes in... so you think it is a problem with the taxes.. Dumb it is a matter of over spending
  • WGN iamnothere 2012/07/03 16:18:02
    WGN
    Every time the tax rate is below 30% the real GDP of the nation slumps.
    The highest growth occurs when the top tax rate is above 75%

    graph 1

    The tax cuts under Reagan resulted in the worst deficit (up to that time) that the nation had ever seen. The LONG TERM result of those cuts resulted in a decrease in revenues. In short, lower taxes result in a short term increase and a long term decrease. That is economic fact-look it up!
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/04 02:31:44
    iamnothere
    the lower taxes brought in more revenue.. do pay attention that the democrats in the house and senate did an amazing job of increasing spending..
  • WGN iamnothere 2012/07/04 22:33:08 (edited)
    WGN
    Yes. but only for a while. As the middle class was getting smaller with less money, less came in from that section of the population. The rise in tax revenue was for a short time only and then the long term effects kicked in.
    By the way, all spending under Reagan was from his advisors and policies. Reagan cut spending to the poor and we are still reeling from his cuts in social programs. It was Reagan's military spending of idiotic SDI that pushed the budget. The congress just went along with Reagan. A GOP congress would have been worse.
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/04 02:33:54
    iamnothere
    have a really simple project for you.. pretend i am the tax man.. send me 95% of your gross income.. then tell me how that is going to make you get more successful.. tell me how you are going to have any incentive to work.
  • WGN iamnothere 2012/07/04 22:57:44
    WGN
    What you fail to realize is the historical evidence that shoots your idea to pieces.
    The graph has been posted and it tells of the greatest growth in GDP while taxes are 75% or higher. I do not know why, but this has been the case in the US since the 1920's.
  • iamnothere WGN 2012/07/05 03:45:10
    iamnothere
    It has more to do with a general expansion of the entire economy..
    Still the government always spends more than comes in.. so when this is factored in .. makes it harder to point specifically..
  • Vision of Verve 2012/07/01 18:01:35
  • John Hall 2012/07/01 17:50:35
    John Hall
    +2
    The biggest reason why demo and liberals want this is because it's probably free to them .
  • Space Invader 2012/07/01 17:46:34
    Space Invader
    +2
    Obama is the TAX MAN...
  • Cyan9 2012/07/01 17:41:38
    Cyan9
    A penalty and a tax have always been the same thing. It's semantics. It's as equally absurd to pretend that the revenue the individual mandate will generate is somehow a completely death crushing tax on the middle class. First off, this only affects those without insurance and will affect only 2-5% of the population. Furthermore it's an elective tax such as any other excise tax. Lastly the tax burden of the mandate is extremely low: For the year 2014, an annual tax of $95, or up to 1% of income, whichever is greater that will rise to $695, or 2.5% of income, by 2016. Exemptions to the tax in cases of financial hardship or religious beliefs are permitted
  • Ozzyboy Cyan9 2012/07/01 18:14:49
    Ozzyboy
    +3
    Yep! 48% who already do not pay taxes will have the rest of us pay the premiums for them.
    Also, Muslims and amish will be exempt but the Catholic's who also wanted religious exemption on birth control weren't allowed to use religion as an exemption. Selective separation of church and state much? If Christians have to be screwed with this, Muslims and Amish should also be a part of it.
  • iamnothere Cyan9 2012/07/01 19:20:54
    iamnothere
    current rates.. but wait it will go up well beyond.. if you dont think so.. wait
  • Defend ... Cyan9 2012/07/01 22:48:38
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    its a Tax
    osamacare only pased cause of a GUTLESS WORM who bowed to the Terrorist loving obama

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