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Obamacare is the Largest Tax Increase In The History Of The World?

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  • Q 2012/06/30 17:44:21
    No
    Q
    +9
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    Actually according to the independent Congressional Budget Office Obamacare will provide the largest middle class tax cuts for health care in history.

    Nineteen million people will receive tax credits worth an average of 4800.00 each to help them afford health insurance resulting in millions of Americans getting health insurance. All too many working class Americans don't earn enough to be able to buy health insurance yet make too much to qualify for medicare and this addresses those people that slip through that crack.

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  • Edwin 2012/07/06 05:12:27
    Wait
    Edwin
    +1
    What? The GOP hates the act, but nobody intelligent is saying anything like this. Oh, wait...
  • luvguins 2012/07/02 22:38:51
    No
    luvguins
    +1
    The right wing mythology and disinformation network of Rush is busy feeding this to their low IQ and truck driving Southern ditto heads, and the more literate righties shop more GOP talking points around hoping they will stick. Rush is the mouthpiece of the GOP who would be too embarrassed to say it's "the LARGESTtax increase in the world". LMAO!!

    The GOP can't repeal it over a president's veto they would get, so they might as well shut up. Only their brainless base will keep whining about something not in full effect until 2014. Many insured are going to get refunds this year from $150.00-$500.00 with the companies now having to use 80% of premium receipts for benefits. Why are Rush and the mental midgets standing up for these former rip off insurance companies?
  • ProudProgressive 2012/07/02 22:15:54 (edited)
    No
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    So much nonsense in one bombastic lump of hate.

    First of all, the decision in the health care case did not say that the penalty is a tax. A tax by definition is an additional charge on something you already spend - like a can of soda, a gallon of gas, a house, a ticket to a baseball game, etc. A penalty is something that is imposed when you don't do something you're supposed to do or do something that you;re not supposed to do - like a speeding ticket or a one stroke penalty for grounding your club within a bunker.

    [And by the way, Mitt Romney AGREES with the President that this is a penalty, and not a tax. Just like the mandate he imposed in Massachusetts.]

    Second, the reality is that this law is one of the largest tax middle class tax CUTS in American history. According to a report from Families USA, 28.6 million Americans, most of them middle-class, will receive tax cuts under the bill due to entering health care exchanges and receiving affordability credits:

    An estimated 28.6 million Americans will be eligible for the tax credits in 2014, and the total value of the tax credits that year will be $110.1 billion. The new tax credits will provide much-needed assistance to insured individuals and families who struggle harder each year to pay rising premiums, as well as to unins...
    So much nonsense in one bombastic lump of hate.

    First of all, the decision in the health care case did not say that the penalty is a tax. A tax by definition is an additional charge on something you already spend - like a can of soda, a gallon of gas, a house, a ticket to a baseball game, etc. A penalty is something that is imposed when you don't do something you're supposed to do or do something that you;re not supposed to do - like a speeding ticket or a one stroke penalty for grounding your club within a bunker.

    [And by the way, Mitt Romney AGREES with the President that this is a penalty, and not a tax. Just like the mandate he imposed in Massachusetts.]

    Second, the reality is that this law is one of the largest tax middle class tax CUTS in American history. According to a report from Families USA, 28.6 million Americans, most of them middle-class, will receive tax cuts under the bill due to entering health care exchanges and receiving affordability credits:

    An estimated 28.6 million Americans will be eligible for the tax credits in 2014, and the total value of the tax credits that year will be $110.1 billion. The new tax credits will provide much-needed assistance to insured individuals and families who struggle harder each year to pay rising premiums, as well as to uninsured individuals and families who need help purchasing coverage that otherwise would be completely out of reach financially. Most of the families who will be eligible for the tax credits will be employed, many for small businesses, and will have incomes between two and four times poverty (between $44,100 and $88,200 for a family of four based on 2010 poverty guidelines).
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  • syl 2012/07/02 20:51:19
    Wait
    syl
    When the Supreme Court calls it a TAX, how in the world can some people say it's not a tax? It's also a penalty, which shows the wonderful, lack of caring of our President. He wants the IRS to be out hunting down miscreants who don't BUY their insurance-over double the second yr. & way over triple the 3rd yr.

    There's alot of people who can't afford healthcare, & with Medicare getting supercuts & the curbing of future growth for 10 yrs-What in God's name to you call that???? People who need help the most-Seniors-are NOT GOING TO GET IT, & most of them are already at poverty level!

    Think of your mom & dad, gramma or grampa, getting the ax. You CANNOT TRUST OBAMA.
  • ProudPr... syl 2012/07/02 22:22:49
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    It is a penalty, not a tax. A tax by definition is an additional charge on something you already spend - like buying a can of soda. A penalty is something that is imposed when you don't do something you're supposed to do or do something that you;re not supposed to do - like a speeding ticket.

    And no, the IRS is not going to be "hunting down miscreants". You must still be thinking about the lie that "they're going to hire another 16,000 IRS agents under this law", which was debunked over two years ago.

    The people who can't afford healthcare are covered by Medicaid, which is not only NOT getting "supercuts" but will be enhanced in states where Republican governors don't throw their own constituents under the bus by opting out of the Medicaid expansion provisions.
  • syl ProudPr... 2012/07/03 20:08:11
    syl
    The Supreme Court called the Mandate a Tax. You can't try to say it's anything different than what they said!

    The penalty is the tax, which is $95 the 1st yr. $265 or so the 2cd yr. & $665 or so, the 3rd yr.
    And if you don't pay, you get a lien on your property!

    Who collects taxes? The IRS-plain & simple.

    People who can't afford healthcare-there's a huge gap between the people who are on Medicaid-& people who are struggling to make ends meet who can't afford healthcare, but make-even $2 over medicaids limit-& you can't get medicaid, & can't afford healthcare!

    So people in this situation-usually Medicare, are screwed, because there is to be

    "CURBS FUTURE GROWTH IN MEDICARE OVER 10 YEARS"

    And the other big problem is WHOSE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS? The government isn't, so that means the TAXPAYER'S.
  • ProudPr... syl 2012/07/03 20:34:41
    ProudProgressive
    The Affordable Care Act specifically prohibits liens on real property as a consequence of not being insured or paying the penalty.

    And yes, the IRS collects taxes, but they don't "hunt down miscreants".

    The rest is too incoherent to even bother with.
  • syl ProudPr... 2012/07/05 18:38:56
    syl
    Just a little over your head is all.

    Where have you been?
  • tblackb 2012/07/01 05:37:51
    No
    tblackb
    +1
    it is not a tax; its a penalty
  • Starman 2012/07/01 05:03:59
    No
    Starman
    +1
    Ridiculous to even suggest it
  • Jaroslav Dantes 2012/06/30 20:51:48
    Wait
    Jaroslav Dantes
    what percent is it?
  • sodabox Jarosla... 2012/06/30 22:18:31
    sodabox
    +2
    1% for those that don't have insurance. If you have/get insurance, then it is ZERO.
  • Jarosla... sodabox 2012/07/01 15:34:38
    Jaroslav Dantes
    +1
    i see. Rather I stay in europe. thanks
  • Ben~ Libertarian Socialist 2012/06/30 19:23:44
    No
    Ben~ Libertarian Socialist
    +2
    What a big fat lie! Where is your evidence?
  • sodabox Ben~ Li... 2012/06/30 22:13:08
    sodabox
    Maybe you should watch the video.
  • Ben~ Li... sodabox 2012/07/01 00:40:11
    Ben~ Libertarian Socialist
    +2
    Directed at Limbaugh* sorry that was not clear!
  • ProudPr... sodabox 2012/07/02 22:28:06
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    Maybe you should watch it again, First of all, skip the part that has Rush Limbaugh on it. It doesn't contain anything that remotely resembles "evidence". Or sanity. And didn't he promise to leave the country if the Supreme Court upheld the law? Second, actually listen to what Cenk Uygur and the others are saying. How can it be "the largest tax increase in American history" if 98% of the people are unaffected by it?
  • sodabox ProudPr... 2012/07/03 13:32:53 (edited)
    sodabox
    I thought he was saying Cenk was the one lying.
  • ProudPr... sodabox 2012/07/03 13:35:11
    ProudProgressive
    Oh. Yeah I guess it could be read that way.
  • kudabux 2012/06/30 18:23:23
    Wait
    kudabux
    +3
    No, but wait. If a person does not sign up for insurance, that person will get a fine through the IRS. That fine is being construed as a tax.
  • ProudPr... kudabux 2012/07/02 22:28:51
    ProudProgressive
    Exactly.
  • Roger47 2012/06/30 18:18:06
    No
    Roger47
    +6
    Those who believe it is the biggest tax increase in history believe something that is completely false. They trust sources for their news that should never be trusted.
    At some point, being wrong becomes a deliberate choice. Unfortunately, it would appear that has now become a common occurrence. People pretend to "trust" sources they know, deep down, are dishonest propaganda. And the result is they "believe" lies like this.
  • Wilde~MoonChild ™ 2012/06/30 17:58:56
    Wait
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
  • Q 2012/06/30 17:44:21
    No
    Q
    +9
    laughing gif
    Actually according to the independent Congressional Budget Office Obamacare will provide the largest middle class tax cuts for health care in history.

    Nineteen million people will receive tax credits worth an average of 4800.00 each to help them afford health insurance resulting in millions of Americans getting health insurance. All too many working class Americans don't earn enough to be able to buy health insurance yet make too much to qualify for medicare and this addresses those people that slip through that crack.
  • jgh57 Q 2012/06/30 18:02:45
    jgh57
    +3
    Thank you. I'm not sure if the Republicans will be able to understand the truth or facts. They have been over exposed to Fox.
  • 4dc Q 2012/07/01 23:55:01
    4dc
    and who pays for those 19 mil?
  • sodabox 4dc 2012/07/02 01:04:55
    sodabox
    The insurance companies do because they spend too much on marketing.
  • mwg0735 2012/06/30 17:38:48 (edited)
  • sodabox mwg0735 2012/06/30 18:23:47
    sodabox
    +3
    How does a 1% tax on about 2% of Americans equal the largest tax increase ever?
  • mwg0735 sodabox 2012/06/30 19:12:40
  • sodabox mwg0735 2012/06/30 20:46:13
    sodabox
    +2
    A few thousand? Max of 1% of your income. That's $1000 if you make $100,000. Can't do simple math?
  • mwg0735 sodabox 2012/07/01 07:20:07 (edited)
  • sodabox mwg0735 2012/07/01 16:55:05
    sodabox
    Ah, you're trolling me. Blocked.
  • ProudPr... sodabox 2012/07/02 22:33:53
    ProudProgressive
    "Individuals who do not obtain or retain qualifying health care coverage will be required to pay a penalty as part of their income tax returns. In 2014, the penalty is $95 or 1 percent of the individual’s income, whichever is greater. By 2016, it increases to $695 or 2.5 percent of income. For families, the maximum penalty is three times the per-person flat-dollar penalty. The penalty for dependent children without coverage is half the cost of the individual flat-dollar penalty (e.g., $47.50 in 2014)."
  • ProudPr... sodabox 2012/07/02 22:31:34
    ProudProgressive
    When someone doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" and they call someone else stupid, I think they've proved who the stupid ones really are. And when they block anyone who points out actual facts to them, it only confirms it.
  • Peacock 2012/06/30 17:38:28
    Yes
    Peacock
    +2
    Act in haste, repent in leisure. This Bill was too big to get pushed through. "Let's sign it first and then see what's in it"..Nancy Pilosi. Couldn't believe what I was hearing. It was done to "beat out" the Republican initiations.
  • sodabox Peacock 2012/06/30 18:24:00
    sodabox
    +1
    How does a 1% tax on about 2% of Americans equal the largest tax increase ever?
  • Peacock sodabox 2012/06/30 18:43:21
    Peacock
    +1
    Because it is essentially, for NOTHING. There is no public option, it is filled with ambiguity..I'm not against HCR. It was passed in haste, and it needs to be modified. I pay 14K annually, as I must self insure. My deductibles went up, my coverage went down. I'm not alone in this, and there are no other packages for less $$ in N.Y. What is this Bill doing for the taxpayers like me? I'm not rich, I'm a Middle Class, small business owner.
  • sodabox Peacock 2012/06/30 20:48:20
    sodabox
    +1
    This bill is making it so you can't get dropped for pre-existing conditions. That's a bad thing? Also, there would be a public option if the GOP didn't kill it.
  • Peacock sodabox 2012/06/30 21:00:18
    Peacock
    +1
    THAT is why am an Independent. The GOP doesn't have clean hands either. I'd pay for the Public Option, and I feel it should be on a sliding scale. I already pay 14K per year, so if my coverage was better with the public option, why not buy that? HCR should have much more to offer than what is in this Bill...but neither side has clean hands.

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