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Obamacare is a tax, so what! If Romney is elected does it make more sense to reduce the tax on day one or fight for 8 years to repeal parts of it?

mblack 2012/07/04 02:29:46
Yes, take the more logical route. Get it done quick and effective.
No, fight it out for 8 years. Long drawn out more divides.
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My view is why fight when you can obtain instant results. Simply reduce the tax(s) to 0.02%, then repeal the ii over the 8 years. Fighting for up to 8 years will only yield minimal results and create division between the citizens.
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  • Drue-AFCL 2012/07/04 02:46:07
    None of the above
    Drue-AFCL
    +5
    What do you mean so what? THE PRESIDENT LIES AND WITH THAT, FREEDOM DIES!
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  • Cleaver62 2sly 2012/07/04 10:19:18
    Cleaver62
    +2
    And as I do a google search I come up with 100s of stories of how this story is pure insanity. It has been debunked over and over again. More right wing lies.
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  • bob h. 2sly 2012/07/04 16:06:50
    bob h.
    +2
    Are you really that gullible?
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  • bob h. Cleaver62 2012/07/04 16:04:27
    bob h.
    +2
    I doubt it. If it was called Romneycare, they'd be jumping with joy.
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  • Cleaver62 bob h. 2012/07/04 19:03:03
    Cleaver62
    +2
    It is mostly a recycled Republican health care plan from years ago and very similar to Romney care in Mass. I think Republicans are just upset that they are not geting credit for it now. Sour grapes. Cry babies. Spoiled rotten Republicons.
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  • tdterry... Cleaver62 2012/07/04 20:06:05
    tdterry1999
    So what.If the republicans would have tried to push this bs on us.We would have been just as pissed off.Stupid democrats can't seem to understand that.
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  • Cleaver62 tdterry... 2012/07/04 20:14:03 (edited)
    Cleaver62
    +3
    What exactly is being pushed on you? Health care insurance? If you don't have any because you can't afford it, the government is going to help make it affordable for you so you can get it. And if you don't have it and you can afford it, I have to wonder why you don't want it. I don't see what is being pushed on you. If you have insurance through you job now, nothing is going to change and then nothing is being pushed on you.

    Your doctors aren't going to change. Your perscriptions are not going to change. What your doctor charges isn't going to change. So what BS is being pushed on you???
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  • tdterry... Cleaver62 2012/07/05 09:01:24
    tdterry1999
    I only read the first part of your reply.What has government ever [And I mean ever]done that lowered the cost of anything.And yes things have already started changing.What you and 99% of the people are not looking at is the employer mandate.Why would a employer pay 15 grand to insure me ,when they can pay a 2000 dollar tax.Then that will push me into government insurance.You will have to do better than the democrat talking points ,if you want to get anyone to change there mind.Maybe you study this pos law a little more.
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  • bob h. tdterry... 2012/07/13 02:35:49 (edited)
    bob h.
    Roads, Mail, some food, rent controlled apts. my BP pills.
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  • darthtbone 2012/07/04 09:06:46
    None of the above
    darthtbone
    +3
    A couple of things. First as Ronald Reagan put it, "There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government program."

    And if you lower the tax, Don't you raise the deficit? And lowering of the deficit is one of the reasons for kicking the Democrats out.

    Remember, Americans have short memories when it comes to politics.
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  • mike 2012/07/04 09:02:48
    Yes, take the more logical route. Get it done quick and effective.
    mike
    +1
    Its unworkable no matter how you look at it, especially if the States don't have to go along with the expansion of medicaid. So whatever has to be done to get rid of it, he should just do.
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  • David 2012/07/04 08:24:26
    None of the above
    David
    +2
    Not exactly none of the above. If The Romney Android 2.X is elected, it is likely he'll have a majority of both houses. Since the mandate was declared a tax by the Roberts court, it can be repealed by a measure from the House being sent to the Senate. Tax repeal measures cannot be filibustered in the Senate, so all that's needed to carry a repeal of the mandate is a simple majority. The Romney Android 2.X could then simply sign the bill repealing the mandate.

    With the mandate gutted, The Romney Android would then have the juice necessary to hold off implementation of the rest of the Obumacare mess and give Congress a chance to do the sensible thing with it.
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  • Wolfman 2012/07/04 07:59:09
    None of the above
    Wolfman
    +3
    It makes more sense to repeal it immediately.
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  • Don Leuty 2012/07/04 07:43:14
    None of the above
    Don Leuty
    +1
    Reduce ALL 20 taxes supporting Obamacare by 50% per year and funding by the same amount.
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  • gldynmd 2012/07/04 06:29:43 (edited)
    Yes, take the more logical route. Get it done quick and effective.
    gldynmd
    +3
    Day one!
    repeal and replace
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  • bob h. gldynmd 2012/07/04 16:09:07
    bob h.
    Replace it w/ romneycare which is the same thing, but hey, what else has he got?
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  • gldynmd bob h. 2012/07/05 05:54:47
    gldynmd
    He has a lot more to offer then 0bama.
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  • retiredingeorgia 2012/07/04 05:15:05
    Yes, take the more logical route. Get it done quick and effective.
    retiredingeorgia
    +4
    I may have missed something somewhere, but the last I heard, Romney said he would grant all the states (for you liberals, there are 50 of them) a waiver from obamacare.
    Since the Supreme Court has declared that the mandate is a tax, the House of Representatives should easily be able to de-fund it if we maintain the majority.
    If we can take the Senate too, then we can see about fixing this mess our beloved congress has gotten us into. house representatives de-fund maintain majority senate fixing mess beloved congress
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  • JimmyIIX 2012/07/04 05:02:05
    None of the above
    JimmyIIX
    +3
    Obamacare is a tax, so what!<------------------If you don't mind, send me some of the drugs your on.
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  • MCA 2012/07/04 04:43:40
    None of the above
    MCA
    +2
    They must do both! You can't simply reduce the tax and still have the laws on the books that says everyone must have medical coverage or they pay a penalty. You need the laws scrapped. Whoever said it would take 8 years is as much a liar as Obama. There are enough in the House, keep it that way. Need more in the Senate. Do that and it will take as long to dismantle obamacare as it did to pass it!
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  • mblack MCA 2012/07/04 04:58:41
    mblack
    +1
    Republicans will not hold a super majority for a very long time. They held it when Bush was in office and quickly let greed set in.
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  • MCA mblack 2012/07/04 10:42:35
    MCA
    Yep. They all do. That's why I really hate the 2 party system. It's my goal in life to do away with it. A goal I most likely will fail to achieve in my lifetime, but I'll keep trying just the same. Since there is a 2 party system, I have to lean with the one most agrees with my own morals and views. But it doesn't mean I'm 100% behind them. So far we are doing better than I thought we would. We actually have politicians who are worried about the voters more than the special interest groups. It's a slow process replacing those who fail to see we are hear and we are paying attention. Even though its slow, we will do it.
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  • JimmyIIX MCA 2012/07/04 05:58:54
    JimmyIIX
    not to take the wind out of your sails. But your wrong on all accounts. I'm not taking you the full length but I'll give you the keys to find it all on your own. It's called "Comprehensive Annual Financial Report" it has to do with Liquid Investment and Composite Government. It's called a false budgetary basis. Do you homework and I promise the direction Im sending you in will change your life and open your eyes to what's really going on.
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  • MCA JimmyIIX 2012/07/04 10:48:03
    MCA
    What in the world are you talking about??? I know what a false budget is. I know what an annual report is. I also know what a projection is and which projection to pay attention to. I haven't a clue why you brought up for this conversation.
    I've done more homework than most. I don't consider it homework if someone visits partisan sites or listens to partisan news. I deal in facts, not rhetoric and campaign promises. If your point is we need this obamacare, then I can tell you the homework I've done says different. I believe professional money people, not politicians. I believe the CBO, not Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
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  • JimmyIIX MCA 2012/07/04 12:46:59 (edited)
    JimmyIIX
    no it's not. If you know everything I speak of GREAT! One less person to wake up.
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  • santa6642 2012/07/04 04:39:34
    Yes, take the more logical route. Get it done quick and effective.
    santa6642
    +3
    Kill it any way as long as it is dead.
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  • Steve King 2012/07/04 04:39:07 (edited)
    None of the above
    Steve King
    +1
    Romney, as President, would not have the power or authority to reduce taxes. The purse strings are held by Congress.
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  • mblack Steve King 2012/07/04 04:41:46
    mblack
    He has the ability to influence and dictate the pace at which things happen.
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  • Steve King mblack 2012/07/04 12:03:48
    Steve King
    True, if he has Repiblican majorities in both House and Senate, otherwise it will be a stalemate and nothing will change.
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  • Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞ 2012/07/04 04:29:05
    None of the above
    Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞
    Neither. I think that if Romney wins, he will most likely try to revise the law and do it before the end of the 2013 fiscal year as most of O-care takes effect in 2014. If he wins, I think it would be fair to say that the R party in general will probably win a majority of the available seats in both the house and the congress, but the D party will probably drag their heals to slow it down, and of course, there is always the 60 vote minimum difference between the majority and minority in order to pass the law and the Byrd law could always come back and bite the R-party in the a$$. If the R party takes the house, the house will have quite an easier time passing it than the congress for those reasons.
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  • abubinc... Just me... 2012/07/04 04:35:02
    abubincrazy
    He says he will immediately repeal Obicare.
    This will likely require a Rep majority in Congress.
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  • Just me... abubinc... 2012/07/04 04:44:21
    Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞
    Yes it will probably have to be a Rep congress and he would have to have a minimum difference of 60 votes. From what I have read, the new POTUS (someone other than BO) doesn't have the authority to immediately repeal the law. It would be pushing it to do it before the end of 2013 as I'm sure the lines will be drawn. I think the best thing he could do would be to try to pass a reconciliation which only requires 51 votes to pass and revise the law.
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  • abubinc... Just me... 2012/07/04 04:46:08
    abubincrazy
    +1
    That IS the plan.
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  • mike Just me... 2012/07/04 09:08:56
    mike
    its a tax, they'll only need 51 to repeal it.
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  • Cleaver62 Just me... 2012/07/04 09:23:10
    Cleaver62
    I don't think there is anything to worry about with the planning and the problems of repealing Obamacare because Romney isn't going to win.
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  • mblack abubinc... 2012/07/04 04:44:27
    mblack
    +1
    He really means I will try to repeal it but let me see if my big time pharma friends haven't figured out a way to make billions first.
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  • Cleaver62 abubinc... 2012/07/04 09:21:38 (edited)
    Cleaver62
    Romney says a lot of things... then he changes he mind and says something else... then he says he never said that... and then even he can't remember what lie he just told again.
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  • abubinc... Cleaver62 2012/07/04 23:31:08
  • mblack Just me... 2012/07/04 04:39:41
    mblack
    Remember Federal fiscal year 2013 is only a few months away. No way possible he can take office Jan 2, have have it revised and voted on by Sept 30. You should count on the democrats to use every stalling tactic and ace up their sleeve (John Roberts) to keep the largest healthcare overhaul in modern history law.
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  • abubinc... mblack 2012/07/04 04:48:16
  • Cleaver62 abubinc... 2012/07/04 09:26:23
    Cleaver62
    Truth is it is not the biggest Tax increase in history. The only people who are going to be penalized are the people who decide they don't want to buy health insurance. If they want to opt out of the program they pay a 2.5% penalty of their income, not to exceed 700 dollars. Hell, Republicons were going to raise middle class taxes more than that last year. Republicans are lying to you and you are too brainwashed to even look at the facts.
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