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President Obama said Tuesday that the nation faces a stark economic choice: Continue giving tax breaks to the nation's wealthiest citizens or risk gutting essential programs that help grow the middle class.

"Let me me ask you, what's the better way to make our economy stronger?," Obama told an enthusiastic crowd in Boca Raton, Fla. "Do we give ... tax breaks to every millionaire and billionaire in the country? Or should we make investments in education and research and health care and our veterans?"

Obama also told students at Florida Atlantic University that "what drags our entire economy down" is when"the gap between those at the very, very top and everybody else keeps growing wider and wider and wider and wider."

The president also decried Republican budget plans that would give more tax breaks to the wealthy, and he dared the GOP to specify the kinds of budget cuts it would make in order to reach its goal of a lower federal debt.

"The money's got to come from somewhere," Obama said.

The Democratic-run Senate has scheduled a vote on the Buffett Rule for Monday, though Republicans are sure to block it.

The proposal is named for billionaire investor Warren Buffett, who says it's unfair for him to pay a lower tax rate than his secretary.

The reason: Investment income is taxed at lower rates than salaries and wages. Proponents of the Buffett Rule have not said whether they would increase investment taxes, or establish some sort of flat tax for millionaires and billionaires.

Obama cited the anecdote about Buffett and his secretary in his speech, saying "now that's wrong -- that's not fair." The president said the share of national income flowing to the wealthiest 1% has climbed to levels last seen in the 1920s, yet the rich are also paying the lowest tax rates of the past half-century.

"We've got to choose which direction we want this country to go," Obama said. "Do we want to keep giving those tax breaks to folks like me who don't need them? Or do we want to keep investing in those things that keep our economy growing and keep us secured? That's the choice."

Obama spent part of his speech on more conservative themes, saying at one point that "government is not the answer to everything," and discussing programs that have been cut on his watch. Obama also said none of his proposals would include tax hikes for those making less than $250,000 a year.

But there are some things government should do, he added, including education, research, health care and other "investments" that can help Americans better themselves.

"In this country, prosperity has never trickled down from the wealthy few," Obama said. "Prosperity has always come from the bottom up, from a strong and growing middle class."

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  • gregaj7 2012/04/13 23:41:21
    Disagree with Barack
    gregaj7
    Believing that is insanity, and supporting Obama is idiocy. Ron Paul ALL THE WAY!!
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/04/13 23:18:08
    Disagree with Barack
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    What a dip stick! In what world does paying more taxes to an incompetent government improve the economy or make more jobs or do anything more that throw had earned money down a rat hole? The much vaunted Buffet rule does nothing to the debt, nothing to the deficit and, according to all economists of any reputation, will generate 47 Billion dollars after 10 full years which is barely enough to fund the government for 7 days today.

    The answer is lower spending and leaving revenue alone. Obama paid 160K at roughly 20% rate, Romney paid $3.4 Million at a rate of roughly 14% because his income is from investments, investments of money already taxed - Both are wealthy but Who paid more in taxes? The top 50% paid 97% of all income taxes, 47% paid no income taxes (per IRS- the people who know) The top tier pays 38% of all income taxes paid. Sounds like fair share to me.

    The IRS took in 2.4 Trillion in taxes in 2011 - and this administration spent greater than
    3 Trillion. A company would be faced with bankruptcy at this continued spending - but politicians give it a lovely name. It is deficit spending - give it a try at your bank and let me know how this works out for you.

    Paying more in taxes means less investment, less investment means companies have less money...
    What a dip stick! In what world does paying more taxes to an incompetent government improve the economy or make more jobs or do anything more that throw had earned money down a rat hole? The much vaunted Buffet rule does nothing to the debt, nothing to the deficit and, according to all economists of any reputation, will generate 47 Billion dollars after 10 full years which is barely enough to fund the government for 7 days today.

    The answer is lower spending and leaving revenue alone. Obama paid 160K at roughly 20% rate, Romney paid $3.4 Million at a rate of roughly 14% because his income is from investments, investments of money already taxed - Both are wealthy but Who paid more in taxes? The top 50% paid 97% of all income taxes, 47% paid no income taxes (per IRS- the people who know) The top tier pays 38% of all income taxes paid. Sounds like fair share to me.

    The IRS took in 2.4 Trillion in taxes in 2011 - and this administration spent greater than
    3 Trillion. A company would be faced with bankruptcy at this continued spending - but politicians give it a lovely name. It is deficit spending - give it a try at your bank and let me know how this works out for you.

    Paying more in taxes means less investment, less investment means companies have less money, less money means lower growth, and lower growth means fewer jobs. That is economics 101. Obama need two courses; economics 101 and a long course on Marbury vs Madison. He is completely out of touch.
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  • Denny 2012/04/13 22:25:57
    Disagree with Barack
    Denny
    +1
    5% tax for the top 1% is a joke. That couple of billion wouldn't last Washington 12 minutes!!! And then what???
  • ehrhornp 2012/04/13 22:14:14
    I agree with Barack
    ehrhornp
    +2
    Voodoo economics have not worked in the past so little reason to expect it to work now.
  • luvguins 2012/04/13 21:07:34
    I agree with Barack
    luvguins
    +2
    Boehner and Scott Brown are always praising JFK as a tax cutter since he reduced the top bracket from 91% to 70%. The president should get legislation on the floor to go back to the JFK rates, call it the Boehner/Brown tax relief plan, and tell them he'll sign it. It would raise 382 billion this year, and if more audits were done on these rich tax cheats (not their loopholes) we could collect 190 billion more equaling a half trillion. Now that would address the debt! But what do we have, but a bunch of GOP whiners not wanting the 1% to pay 3% more, or even consider the Buffett rule.
  • whiteco... luvguins 2012/04/20 00:09:44
    whitecollar
    +1
    That's the truth! Thank you.
  • Billyk75 2012/04/13 20:01:16
    Disagree with Barack
    Billyk75
    BULL!
  • Tony 2012/04/13 19:02:44
    Disagree with Barack
    Tony
    How about letting us all keep our damn money and we'll fix the economy ourselves!
  • Jeremiah 2012/04/13 18:47:59
    I agree with Barack
    Jeremiah
    +3
    I fully agree. The rich have had an easy ride for ten years, and the time has come for them to pay their fair share. It is unconscionable that a billionaire pays at a lower rate than those who work for them.

    The Buffett rule is a good start toward fairness. If all income is taxed at the same minimum rate, say 30%, we will see no more cases like Mitt Romney, who pays at a 14% capital gains rate.
  • olylift 2012/04/13 18:37:06
    Disagree with Barack
    olylift
    +1
    No government program will help the middle class. Ever.
  • whiteco... olylift 2012/04/20 00:13:31 (edited)
    whitecollar
    Why don't we bill George W. for the debt. Things started going downhill during his eight years as president.
  • olylift whiteco... 2012/04/20 01:37:21
    olylift
    We can bill the Federal Reserve for the debt. but good ol' George did a stellar job adding 4 trillion, and Obama added another 4 trillion. Fantastic, those two.
  • merlinskiss 2012/04/13 18:29:59 (edited)
    I agree with Barack
    merlinskiss
    +1
    But just to get them to pay their fair share. Now, if congress will reform the tax loopholes, we would be in business.

    As far as creating jobs? It won't make one bit of difference except in the minds of Repub sheeple. Didn't work before, wont work now or in the future. Business as usual guarantees only one thing. More of the same!
  • Disagree with Barack
    ṃεταllïс_ḋќ[сhατвøχ]
    +1
    An insignificant amount of money that is supposedly aimed at helping clear our debt.He's barely scratching the damn debt!
  • Margaret Jacobson 2012/04/13 17:40:01
    I agree with Barack
    Margaret Jacobson
    +1
    Just how many truly rich are we talking about??? I hear that they are only one percent of population?? If that is true, THEY WILL NOT PAY ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ANY GOOD !! We need more jobs, better education, we need to bring us jobs that have been "OUTSOUIRCED" to foreign shores BACK HERE TO US WORKERS !!! We also need a system of getting people back to work that trains them to do meaningful work......PAY THE AVERAGE WORKER MORE MONEY AND HE WILL PAY TAXES !! THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH TRULY MEGA RICH LEFT!!!
  • Artist 2012/04/13 17:39:32
    Disagree with Barack
    Artist
    +1
    And not just because he's a fool but he doesn't want this Buffet Rule to actually occur. Sure we might get an additional $70 billion a year but that's hardly a dent on the deficit. No, obama wants this talk to continue right up to the election so he can point out to his base of deadbeats how mean the Republicans are. It's a political ploy only...
  • Jeremiah Artist 2012/04/13 18:50:31
    Jeremiah
    Deadbeats? Every member of his base that I know is a hard working citizen. How are they deadbeats?
  • keeper 2012/04/13 17:04:25 (edited)
    Disagree with Barack
    keeper
    +2
    Why did BHO only pay $160,000 on an income of $789,400? He isn't paying his fair share. He is using the loopeholes too..
  • Jeremiah keeper 2012/04/13 18:51:38
    Jeremiah
    He agrees that he doesn't need a tax break. Neither do any of the others who earn that kind of money and more.
  • true am... Jeremiah 2012/04/14 00:30:51
    true american
    +1
    Then why did he not take the lead and write a bigger check. Live by example Mr. President
  • Jeremiah true am... 2012/04/16 16:14:02
    Jeremiah
    That is not the point. One person paying more than is required will do nothing to solve the problem of inequity. Everyone paying their fair share won't either, but it would be a good start in the right direction.
  • true am... Jeremiah 2012/04/17 09:53:31
    true american
    +1
    Pointless you can tax 100% of their income ,and there will be no change in the debt issue, because they can not stop spending.
  • Jeremiah true am... 2012/04/17 18:35:13 (edited)
    Jeremiah
    +1
    Who is "they?" The government? They cannot simply stop spending. They have obligations that must be met, to the DOD and other federal agencies, to the destitute and hungry. Social Security and Medicare benefits must be paid to the seniors who paid into the trust fund their entire working lives.

    Where should we cut off spending? Food banks for the elderly? Hot lunches for impoverished children? Should we tell the seniors and the toddlers to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

    Let's be realistic, OK?
  • keeper Jeremiah 2012/04/14 01:41:54
    keeper
    +1
    Wouldn't it be a good example if Obama, Buffet and Romney all volunteered to not use loopholes, and pay 25% like a lot of Americans have to pay?
  • Jeremiah keeper 2012/04/16 16:16:48
    Jeremiah
    +1
    They are volunteering to pay a minimum of 30% if they earn more than $1 million per year on all income, including capital gains. That sounds like a good plan for everyone earning more than $1 million per year, including Mitt Romney, the Koch brothers and Grover Norquist.
  • Steve 2012/04/13 16:49:52
    I agree with Barack
    Steve
    +5
    Businesses do not expand because of the personal wealth of owners. They expand when doing so improves business profitability. Right now, businesses have access to cheap capital (low interest rates, booming stock market). What's lacking in the economy is consumer demand.

    This means, necessarily, we need more money in the pockets of middle-class and lower-income folks, and lowering their taxes is the easiest way to do this. The shortfall in the deficit needs to be covered by taxes on those who have been prospering in the economy.
  • Jeremiah Steve 2012/04/13 18:52:13
    Jeremiah
    +1
    Well said.
  • BrianD3 2012/04/13 16:48:47
    Disagree with Barack
    BrianD3
    +2
    sure, because taking money from businesses and people who create will help them to spend more money and hire more people.....oh, wait....less money= less spending and less hireing......
  • JCD aka... BrianD3 2012/04/13 17:22:55
    JCD aka "biz"
    +2
    Who creates more jobs? Wealthy individuals, or small businesses?
  • BrianD3 JCD aka... 2012/04/13 17:25:00
    BrianD3
    +2
    so taxing the wealthy will help small businesses? Who buys from small businesses....you know custom yahts, planes, all sorts of high end goods and services.......it aint the government (well maybe the GSA)
  • JCD aka... BrianD3 2012/04/13 18:00:40
    JCD aka "biz"
    +2
    Are planes made by small businesses?
  • BrianD3 JCD aka... 2012/04/13 19:33:34
    BrianD3
    custom jobs can be
  • Connect... BrianD3 2012/04/13 18:25:42
    Connectification
    +1
    Are you one of those 1%
  • BrianD3 Connect... 2012/04/13 19:33:49
    BrianD3
    no, so?
  • Connect... BrianD3 2012/04/16 20:40:06
    Connectification
    You spoke like one. I just figure
  • Jeremiah BrianD3 2012/04/13 18:54:16
    Jeremiah
    +2
    Yachts and personal planes represent a tiny percentage of the economy.
  • BrianD3 Jeremiah 2012/04/13 19:34:03
    BrianD3
    so do you, what is your point?
  • Jeremiah BrianD3 2012/04/13 19:58:58
    Jeremiah
    +3
    You make it look as if the economy could rise and fall on the sale of jets and yachts. Oil companies do not need their tax subsidies, and the rich do not need tax breaks for the purchase of jets and yachts.

    I can use a tax break. What do you think my chances are of getting one? Not good, you say? Because I am not rich? You are right, and that is exactly my point.
  • BrianD3 Jeremiah 2012/04/13 20:00:33
    BrianD3
    you already have a tax break, you pay a lower percentage that they do. What else do you want, this frist born son?
  • Jeremiah BrianD3 2012/04/13 20:10:10 (edited)
    Jeremiah
    +3
    Mitt Romney pays 14%, because his earnings come from capital gains, or unearned income. Warren Buffett says it is not right for him to pay at a lower rate than people who work for him. Bill Gates agrees.

    Mitt thinks the system is fine as it is, but then he has money stashed in the Cayman Islands and in a Swiss bank account. Do you know how many presidents have had Swiss bank accounts? None.

    The Buffett Rule merely says no one in the top tax bracket should pay less than 30%, regardless of how they earn their money. Sounds good to me, since I am not in that bracket.

    It should sound good to you too, unless you are a member of the 1%, and then you wouldn't be on SH. You would be out building your stack.

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