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Obama stabs America in the back again, bypasses congress and grants amnesty to young illegals. Are you happy about being back-stabbed...AGAIN by Obama?

Mr. T 2012/06/15 14:49:31
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Here it comes folks. Obama is on his way out and knows it and is starting to implement as many anti-American policies as possible before being kicked to the curb. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt to get the Spanish vote and continue with his anti-American agenda.

Obama has to go period. He (The POS-In-Chief) said he couldn't wait, meaning he was going to bypass congress, and is already starting his full fledged "Screw America" campaign.
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  • Charge 2012/06/15 15:33:38
    Enough is enough....I hate this POS
    Charge
    +11
    No one should be surprised, BO stopped deporting everyone last year in favor of "dangerous" criminals, now he makes it legal for the children to stay.... slowly but surely they will become Democrats.

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  • Wag 2012/06/21 20:16:07
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    Wag
    Well if Congress isn't gonna do anything he might as well do it himself.....Congress ratings are a whopping 7 percent they are out doing themselves The worst Speaker of the house ever ever in history ever........................
  • lurx: the soda jerk 2012/06/21 10:47:17
    Hooray...illegals being treated better than many American citizens.
    lurx: the soda jerk
    Marco Rubio’s DREAM Act plan might be dead this year
    After President Obama swooped in with a DREAM Act-like executive order, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio is starting to cool on his already stalled plan for an alternative to help immigrant kids who were brought to or remain in this country illegally.

    By Marc Caputo - The Miami Herald


    Sen. Marco Rubio sounds ready to scuttle his version of a pro-immigrant DREAM Act this year, and he’s blaming President Obama.

    For the past three months, Rubio has been trying to craft a bill that would give legal residency to young immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally by their parents.

    But on Friday, Obama essentially turned Rubio’s undrafted proposal into an executive rule made by his administration. Rubio and other Republicans say Obama overstepped his bounds.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/20...
  • sue 2012/06/21 10:36:10
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    sue
    +2
    How is this being backstabbed? It is what he wanted to do through the Dream Act, but republicans blocked its passage, so he had to do a partial solution, which he is well within his rights to do through executive order. All of the presidents who have held office since I was old enough to vote have made similar executive orders regarding deportation.

    Also, it is important to note that one of the reasons the US does not have major problems with immigrant groups as many countries in Europe do, is because we do not have a category of second class citizen here. You are a citizen or you are not. Our immigrants assimilated within one generation because they go to public schools and participate fully as citizens. In Europe, they do not assimilate and you end up with slums full of some minority "under class".
  • Prophet 2012/06/20 17:58:40
    Enough is enough....I hate this POS
    Prophet
    +2
    Dictator he is.
  • BARRY0619 2012/06/18 15:43:49
    Enough is enough....I hate this POS
    BARRY0619
    +4
    Obama is a radical Marxist and a disgrace. He needs impeachment ASAP.
  • evangel... BARRY0619 2012/06/21 22:53:36 (edited)
    evangelism_vision
    +4
    MICKEY MOUSING AROUND

    IMMIGRATION TAKES THE FOCUS OFF THE ECONOMY

    IMMIGRATION TAKES THE FOCUS OFF HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT

    IMMIGRATION REMINDS US THAT THOUSANDS OF " ILLEGAL TERRORIST" ARE HERE. AND THEY ALL VOTE DEMOCRAT

    Let's not forget about:
    Failed housing,
    Loss of AAA Credit Rating

    Obama Cold blooded Murder of Hundreds of Americans and Mexicans from approved Gun Sales to the Drug Cartel

    Attempts to to kill Religious Rights for Catholics, Christians, and Jews by Obama while opening allowing Muslims to pray in Schools while Catholics and Christians are denied these rights.

    FAST AND FURIOUS WAS ALSO APPROVED GUN SALES TO A FOREIGN MILITARY WHICH IS PROVIDING COMFORT AND SUPPORT TO OTHER COUNTRIES WE CALL THIS TREASON
  • evangel... evangel... 2012/06/21 23:29:51
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  • BARRY0619 Blank B... 2012/06/18 15:42:18
    BARRY0619
    +3
    ROFL!! You need to obtain your GED and read more and then come back to debate instead of regurgitating Democrat talking points.
  • Blank B... BARRY0619 2012/06/30 13:36:30
  • Wag Blank B... 2012/06/21 20:20:13 (edited)
    Wag
    Nicely put Fairdealer......These republinuts or peapartiers or whatever, has done nothing but stalled america for 4 yrs now....I love Boners approval rating as speaker of the house...It don't look like nobdy cares for that nut job.....keep up the good work....
  • polkastria 2012/06/16 22:02:16
    Other
    polkastria
    +1
    it's NOT amnesty. I wish it was amnesty for these kids. But it's not.
  • marylou5 polkastria 2012/06/17 05:01:27
    marylou5
    +2
    Depends on your interpretation of Amnesty ....when you allow criminal illegal aliens
    to be non criminals with a stroke of a pen...you are beng disingenuous to claim it is not
    Amnesty! My dictionary backs up my interpretation despite your protestations to the contrary!

    "amnesty
    noun
    the governor has granted amnesty to seven of the prisoners: pardon, pardoning, reprieve; grace; release, discharge."
  • polkastria marylou5 2012/06/17 21:48:01
    polkastria
    +1
    That's nice but were talking legal definitions here.. and they are only granted the ability to legally work.. they are not granted amnesty in the legal sense... anyone who comes forward for this program has to trust the government to move forward with a better plan or they will very likely be sent away still.
  • marylou5 polkastria 2012/06/18 00:43:57
    marylou5
    +2
    Semantics, anyone?
  • polkastria marylou5 2012/06/18 06:38:06
    polkastria
    Yes, it's semantics but it's also politics and legal issues.. those are all semantics.

    Here's the difference from the free dictionary website: http://www.thefreedictionary....

    regular definition of amnesty:

    am·nes·ty (mn-st)
    n. pl. am·nes·ties
    A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.
    tr.v. am·nes·tied, am·nes·ty·ing, am·nes·ties
    To grant a general pardon to.
    [Latin amnstia, from Greek amnsti; see amnesia.]


    Now for the LEGAL definition of amnesty:

    The action of a government by which all persons or certain groups of persons who have committed a criminal offense—usually of a political nature that threatens the sovereignty of the government (such as Sedition or treason)—are granted Immunity from prosecution.

    Amnesty allows the government of a nation or state to "forget" criminal acts, usually before prosecution has occurred. Amnesty has traditionally been used as a political tool of compromise and reunion following a war. An act of amnesty is generally granted to a group of people who have committed crimes against the state, such as Treason, rebellion, or desertion from the military. The first amnesty in U.S. history was offered by President George Washington, in 1795, to participants in the Whiskey Rebellion, a series of riots caused by an unpopular exc...






















    Yes, it's semantics but it's also politics and legal issues.. those are all semantics.

    Here's the difference from the free dictionary website: http://www.thefreedictionary....

    regular definition of amnesty:

    am·nes·ty (mn-st)
    n. pl. am·nes·ties
    A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.
    tr.v. am·nes·tied, am·nes·ty·ing, am·nes·ties
    To grant a general pardon to.
    [Latin amnstia, from Greek amnsti; see amnesia.]


    Now for the LEGAL definition of amnesty:

    The action of a government by which all persons or certain groups of persons who have committed a criminal offense—usually of a political nature that threatens the sovereignty of the government (such as Sedition or treason)—are granted Immunity from prosecution.

    Amnesty allows the government of a nation or state to "forget" criminal acts, usually before prosecution has occurred. Amnesty has traditionally been used as a political tool of compromise and reunion following a war. An act of amnesty is generally granted to a group of people who have committed crimes against the state, such as Treason, rebellion, or desertion from the military. The first amnesty in U.S. history was offered by President George Washington, in 1795, to participants in the Whiskey Rebellion, a series of riots caused by an unpopular excise tax on liquor; a conditional amnesty, it allowed the U.S. government to forget the crimes of those involved, in exchange for their signatures on an oath of loyalty to the United States. Other significant amnesties in U.S. history were granted on account of the Civil and Vietnam Wars.

    Because there is no specific legislative or constitutional mention of amnesty, its nature is somewhat ambiguous. Its legal justification is drawn from Article 2, Section 2, of the Constitution, which states, "The President … shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." Because of their common basis, the difference between amnesty and pardon has been particularly vexing. In theory, an amnesty is granted before prosecution takes place, and a pardon after. However, even this basic distinction is blurry—President gerald r. ford, for example, granted a pardon to President richard m. nixon before Nixon was charged with any crime. Courts have allowed the two terms to be used interchangeably.

    The earliest examples of amnesty are in Greek and Roman Law. The best documented case of amnesty in the ancient world occurred in 403 b.c. A long-term civil war in Athens was ended after a group dedicated to reuniting the city took over the government and arranged a general political amnesty. Effected by loyalty oaths taken by all Athenians, and only later made into law, the amnesty proclaimed the acts of both warring factions officially forgotten.

    In other nations in which amnesties are accepted parts of the governing process, the power to grant amnesty sometimes lies with legislative bodies. In the United States, granting amnesties is primarily a power of the Executive Branch, though on some occasions Congress may also initiate amnesties as part of legislation. The Immigration Reform and Control

    Act of 1986 (100 Stat. 3359, 8 U.S.C.A. §1101) attempted to reduce the number of Aliens illegally entering the United States by punishing employers who knowingly hired them. However, because of concerns voiced by both employers and immigrant community leaders, the act compromised: it contained provisions for an amnesty giving citizenship to illegal immigrants who had been residents for a set period of time.

    Though the Supreme Court has given the opinion that Congress can grant an independent amnesty, it has never expressly ruled on the issue. However, the president's power to grant amnesty autonomously has never been in serious question. The president always has recourse to the pardoning powers granted the office by the Constitution.

    During the Civil War period, President Abraham Lincoln offered a series of amnesties without congressional assent to Union deserters, on the condition that they willingly rejoin their regiments. After the war, Lincoln issued a proclamation of amnesty for those who had participated in the rebellion. Though Congress protested the leniency of the plan, it was helpless to alter or halt it. Lincoln's amnesty was limited, requiring a loyalty oath and excluding high-ranking Confederate officers and political leaders. Lincoln hinted at but never offered a broader amnesty. It was not until President Andrew Johnson's Christmas amnesty proclamation of 1868 that an unconditional amnesty was granted to all participants in the Civil War. Amnesty used in this way fosters reconciliation—in this case, by fully relinquishing the Union's criminal complaints against those participating in the rebellion.

    Amnesty was used for a similar purpose at the conclusion of the Vietnam War. In 1974, President Ford attempted reconciliation by declaring a conditional amnesty for those who had evaded the draft or deserted the armed forces. The terms of the amnesty required two years of public service (the length of a draft term), and gave evaders and deserters only five months to return to the fold. Many of those whom the amnesty was designed to benefit were dissatisfied, viewing the required service as punishment. On the other hand, many U.S. citizens agreed with President Nixon that any amnesty was out of the question. It was left to President jimmy carter, in 1977, to issue a broad amnesty to draft evaders. Carter argued the distinction that their crimes were forgotten, not forgiven. This qualification makes clear the purpose of an amnesty: not to erase a criminal act, nor to condone or forgive it, but simply to facilitate political reconciliation.

    Though an amnesty can be broad or narrow, covering one person or many, and can be seriously qualified (as long as the conditions are not unconstitutional), it cannot grant a license to commit future crimes. Nor can it forgive crimes not yet committed.

    amnesty n. a blanket abolition of an offense by the government, with the legal result that those charged or convicted have the charge or conviction wiped out. Examples: a) the amnesty given to Confederate officials and soldiers after the Civil War, or b) President Jimmy Carter's granting amnesty (under certain conditions) to those who violated the selective service act in evading the draft during the Vietnam War. The basis for amnesty is generally because the war or other conditions that made the acts criminal no longer exist or have faded in importance. Amnesty is not a pardon as some believe, since a pardon implies forgiveness, and amnesty indicates a reason to overlook or forget the offenses. (See: pardon)

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    And there's even one more if you'd like to look but the point is that the Legal meaning of the word has many more shades of meaning than the usual use of the word.
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  • marylou5 polkastria 2012/06/18 16:46:05
    marylou5
    And no matter how you want to spin it six ways to Sunday...
    A group of CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS, in this country ILLEGALLY, which is a criminal act, was absolved of a crime.

    THAT'S AMNESTY!

    What happens when the other millions of CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS claim OBAMA discriminated against them because of AGE factored in?
    You did know that's against our law!!
  • sue marylou5 2012/06/21 10:38:39
    sue
    +1
    It would be much better to waste scarce resources trying to catch them than to just let them be, right? Why use the resources to catch actual dangerous criminals when you can pick on kids who have done nothing wrong but be born to parents who are not US citizens?
  • marylou5 sue 2012/06/21 15:26:01
    marylou5
    If you are 18 years of age and an ILLEGAL, you know you ARE a criminal and ARE breaking the law by remaining in this country!
    You ARE responsible for your own acts. At that point you ARE choosing to continue the criminal activity of your parents.

    If you choose to remain an ILLEGAL, you ARE doing something wrong and you should NOT be rewarded!
    No one is talking about using"resources" to send out the troops to arrest anyone! Please don't be disingenuous.

    We are talking about rewarding criminals with access to millions of jobs that rightfully belong to millions of unemployed citizens including returning serviceman. That's the issue!! Just saying!
  • sue marylou5 2012/06/21 20:32:53
    sue
    +1
    Some of these people don't even know they are illegal until they go to get a driver's license! Their parents don't tell them and they think they are American. They don't speak any language but English, and have attended US schools all their lives. What are they supposed to do -- seriously. THey are saying they will not deport these people. They will also not be citizens. All that is being done is that no resources will be used to deport them, and they can keep working at jobs they already have!
  • marylou5 sue 2012/06/22 00:32:30 (edited)
    marylou5
    Your naivete is astounding. You need a birth certificate to enter kindergarten!
  • sue marylou5 2012/06/22 20:51:50
    sue
    I'm sure they are not in control of their own documents at that point. At least when I enrolled my kids, I did the paperwork for them. A child would have no idea that they had a forged birth certificate, or that they and their cousin used the same one, etc. http://www.guardian.co.uk/wor...
  • marylou5 sue 2012/06/23 01:24:38
    marylou5
    If you seriously believe that the children of ILLEGALs don't know they are ILLEGAL, I have a few bridges to nowhere to sell you!
    Children know it all!
    BTW I do not open unsolicited links.
  • sue marylou5 2012/06/23 01:30:44 (edited)
    sue
    Oy. So look up Vargas, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who did not know he was illegal until he went to get a driver's license.

    I was 16 before I ever saw my birth certificate.

    Also, even if they knew, what would they do about it? Voluntarily go to a country where they know no one and don't speak the language?
  • Wag polkastria 2012/06/21 20:23:44
    Wag
    +1
    The government has had a plan but like everything else these republinuts has stopped everything and the sad part we the taxpayers have paid the wages for them to just bitch scream moan and cry.................
  • Ambassador II 2012/06/16 21:12:17
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    Ambassador II
    +1
    Neither of the answers you suggest are appropriate to the question you posted, but will please the nutcases who habit SH.

    Congress has had more than fifty years to deal with revisions to the outdated immigration laws. They have no incentive to do so, for the open borders are demanded by corporations whose profits depend on a large inflow of workers willing to accept minimum wages without any benefits except SS and unemployment taxes imposed by local states.

    Reagan opened the California borders in the early 1970s and the program has been a huge success since then. Presently, the Party of No has no intention of dealing with anything, much less considering the "illegal immigrants" they openly declare hatred for, so the President is moving on with what needs to be done. We are not going to export these
    who have been here for so long and most are doing the work our children refuse to do. So, I suggest you get over your whining and see the wisdom of this prodding to Congress to get off their ideologically driven destructive policies and either take part in goverance of this nation, else resign their offices and accept the lifetime package of beneftis for which they first came to Washington with intent to destroy the legislative processes.
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/06/16 19:54:34 (edited)
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    Kaleokualoha
    Another lie. No amnesty involved:

    [QUOTE]
    Immigrants who were brought to the United States before the age of 16, who have lived here for at least five years, are in school, have a high school diploma or GED, or were honorably discharged from the military and are younger than 30 are eligible for the "deferred action," she said during a conference call with reporters. In addition to deferred action on deportation, many young illegal immigrants would be eligible for work permits.

    Verifiable documentation must be provided, and those with felonies or extensive criminal records are not eligible.

    [Romney 'Still Deciding' on Immigration Stance]

    "Over the past three years, the administration has undertaken an unprecedented effort to transform our nation's immigration enforcement system into one that focuses on public safety, border security, and on the integrity of the immigration system," Napolitano said.

    The Obama administration, which has already deported more illegal immigrants than did the George W. Bush administration, has focused its efforts on those who pose a danger to national security, are a risk to public safety, or those with serious or multiple criminal convictions, she said.

    About 90 percent of last year's deportations applied to those kinds of illegal immigrants,...









    Another lie. No amnesty involved:

    [QUOTE]
    Immigrants who were brought to the United States before the age of 16, who have lived here for at least five years, are in school, have a high school diploma or GED, or were honorably discharged from the military and are younger than 30 are eligible for the "deferred action," she said during a conference call with reporters. In addition to deferred action on deportation, many young illegal immigrants would be eligible for work permits.

    Verifiable documentation must be provided, and those with felonies or extensive criminal records are not eligible.

    [Romney 'Still Deciding' on Immigration Stance]

    "Over the past three years, the administration has undertaken an unprecedented effort to transform our nation's immigration enforcement system into one that focuses on public safety, border security, and on the integrity of the immigration system," Napolitano said.

    The Obama administration, which has already deported more illegal immigrants than did the George W. Bush administration, has focused its efforts on those who pose a danger to national security, are a risk to public safety, or those with serious or multiple criminal convictions, she said.

    About 90 percent of last year's deportations applied to those kinds of illegal immigrants, Napolitano said. Immigrations enforcement officials were also given the discretion to close low-priority cases last year so they could focus resources on dangerous individuals.

    Napolitano was also quick to point out that this deferred action, which would initially be for a period of two years, would "not provide permanent lawful status or start them on a pathway to citizenship" and "is well within the framework of our existing laws."

    "This grant of deferred action is not immunity. It is not amnesty," she said. "It is an exercise of discretion so that these young people are not entering the legal system. It will help us continue to streamline immigration enforcement."
    [END QUOTE http://www.usnews.com/news/ar... ]


    This Sodaheadline should be added to the Sodaheadline Hall of Shame!

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Moynihan
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  • Mr. T Kaleoku... 2012/06/16 20:03:20
    Mr. T
    +4
    If you can't see this as a step towards amnesty you either don't want to or don't care.
  • Kaleoku... Mr. T 2012/06/16 20:04:48
    Kaleokualoha
    "A step towards amnesty" is not amnesty.
  • Mr. T Kaleoku... 2012/06/16 20:05:51
    Mr. T
    +3
    So now we are splitting hairs...
  • Kaleoku... Mr. T 2012/06/17 05:07:38
    Kaleokualoha
    Your Sodaheadline declared that Obama "grants amnesty to young illegals," not that he has taken a step towards amnesty. Your exaggeration is just another deceptive straw man:

    "A straw man is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2] - Wiki



    "Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." - Albert Einstein
  • Mr. T Kaleoku... 2012/06/17 17:55:03
    Mr. T
    +3
    "Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." - Albert Einstein. Tell that to your Messiah.
  • Kaleoku... Mr. T 2012/06/17 19:06:46
    Kaleokualoha
    It is YOUR "truth in small matters" that is my bone of contention. MY Messiah died almost 2000 years ago!

    "A single lie destroys a whole reputation of integrity." Baltasar Gracian
  • marylou5 Kaleoku... 2012/06/17 05:03:09
    marylou5
    +3
    It's the foot in the door!
  • Kaleoku... marylou5 2012/06/17 05:08:35
    Kaleokualoha
    Perhaps a "foot in the door" but it is not amnesty.
  • marylou5 Kaleoku... 2012/06/17 17:46:05
    marylou5
    +3
    amnesty
    noun
    the governor has granted amnesty to seven of the prisoners: pardon, pardoning, reprieve; grace; release, discharge.
  • Defend ... Mr. T 2012/06/16 20:33:15
    Defend Western Civlization
    +4
    it has no clue at all
  • fisherman 2012/06/16 19:36:02
    Enough is enough....I hate this POS
    fisherman
    +2
    ya know i really cant blame our dear supreme leader on this one , if i were a card carrying commie with no right to be in this country much less the president , and if i knew my reign of terror was about to end ....i rekon i would do the same .
  • Arch Stanton 2012/06/16 18:55:08
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