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Obama Says Gitmo Created More Terrorists Than It Detained. Do You Agree?

StarrGazerr 2009/05/21 18:07:53
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(CNN) -- President Obama on Thursday defended his decision to shutter the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying the prison has made the United States less safe and set back the country's "moral authority."

"The record is clear: Rather than keep us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security," Obama said during an address on national security at the National Archives in Washington.

"It is a rallying cry for our enemies. It sets back the willingness of our allies to work with us in fighting an enemy that operates in scores of countries. By any measure, the costs of keeping it open far exceed the complications involved in closing it."

He said that the facility resulted in the creation of more terrorists than it detained, and he said that over the last seven years, the system of military commissions at Guantanamo succeeded in convicting "a grand total of three suspected terrorists."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/21/obama.speech/index.html
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  • chaoskitty123 2009/06/06 05:03:14
    No the President is wrong.
    chaoskitty123
    I agree and disagree with you. On the one hand I would say it has created more hatred for us for being hipocrites and ignoring world opinion when we expect them to accept ours. But I do not think this has made our enemies more dangerous because on the one hand they teach these people to blow themselves up which shows they have no value for their lives and on the other hand I have not really heard any hatred from them because of this probably because they would do things far worse to our people if captured.

    So no, I don't think it created more terrorists and may have in fact made some think twice about committing terrorism. This is a western way of thinking about things...it's not the way Muslims would think. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would be more a point for creating terrorism as killing civilians most definately is something they use to create support for terrorist efforts.
  • missnoee 2009/06/04 14:26:59
    Yes the President is right.
    missnoee
    It's caused more criticism from the world, and more outrage against us. Especially since many detainees have no history of terrorism, and in fact many were
    arrested w/o cause on the word of informants.
  • 519378 2009/05/24 22:45:23
    Yes the President is right.
    519378
    +2
    Absolutely!
    The outrage at the Human Rights abuses inflicted by the United States of America caused many people to hate America.
  • Babs 2009/05/23 00:36:03
    No the President is wrong.
    Babs
    +1
    Pres. Obama still does not understand the Terrorism threat to the U.S. Gitmo is the only place for these kinds of threats. We do not need them on U.S. soil; or tried in American courts, affording them the same rights as we have. They are not American citizens and they want to do us harm, and kill at any cost. Obama is WRONG.
  • Terry 2009/05/22 22:09:18
    Yes the President is right.
    Terry
    +3
    My reason for my answer, the Rightwing Puppy Kickers have been trying to make an issue out of anything they can get their hands on. Whether its closing Gitmo, or complaining about the Obama administration spending or anything that they can pull out of the sky.

    What they are ignorant about is it takes money to keep Gitmo open, and who is paying for it! The detainess are getting three square meals a day, a roof over their heads and free Healthcare....who is paying for it?

    For the past eight years 12 billion plus dollars being spent on Iraq, and Afghanistan, who is paying for that?

    I guess ignorance is bliss when it comes to the Rightwing Puppy Kickers!!!!
  • missnoee Terry 2009/06/04 14:29:01
    missnoee
    Excellent reply and I am in total agreement !
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2009/05/22 21:32:14
    Undecided
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    So what did he suggest we should have with all these people that have been incarcerated in Gitmo?
  • nightowlhoot3 2009/05/22 19:06:55 (edited)
    Yes the President is right.
    nightowlhoot3
    +3
    Not much to say, really ... it's virtually indisputable that "Gitmo Created More Terrorists Than It Detained" no matter how far fetched the argument.
  • Sumo- Living for the new year! 2009/05/22 17:47:12
    Yes the President is right.
    Sumo- Living for the new year!
    The 500 they released will double when they are through.
  • Sousui 2009/05/22 17:45:25
    Yes the President is right.
    Sousui
    +1
    I agree... And it really worries me for the future because of it.
  • nigel 2009/05/22 16:16:25 (edited)
    No the President is wrong.
    nigel
    +2
    I heard a good way of asking this question: what was the recruiting tool that Al Qaeda used before Gitmo?

    Second question: it isn't like Al Qaeda publishes membership numbers, from where does the President, or anyone for that matter, get their data? But they are sure that there is an increase!

    What numbers do we have that say the world hates us more now? This has been hammered into our heads by the media for so long that we take it for granted. Also, what do they have to support this claim?

    And every one of these claims helps the Democrats.
  • nightow... nigel 2009/05/22 19:08:42
    nightowlhoot3
    "I heard a good way of asking this question: what was the recruiting tool that Al Qaeda used before Gitmo?"

    :) I'd not heard that before. Thanks for sharing it.
  • Andrea nigel 2009/05/22 20:41:28 (edited)
    Andrea
    +3
    Well said. I am sick of the blame Bush mentaltiy. I too want to know where they get their facts? And who cares if other countries don;t like us? They only want our money, which our presidents, and Obama is no different, keep handing out, but our guns too when they are in a conflict or need help getting rid of their dictator. Once they get our money and our help, then they slam us and accuse us of causing their problems.

    Oh, and I thought a prison was a place where criminals get locked up, not a camp for good honest people.
  • Billyk75 2009/05/22 14:31:19
    No the President is wrong.
    Billyk75
    +2
    The annointed one is showing weakness in his latest figuring. If we close down Gitmo and pretend that this Islamic terrorism will then cease, then the messiah better get ready for a grim reality.
  • StarrGa... Billyk75 2009/05/22 14:34:21
    StarrGazerr
    +2
    No one is pretending that Islamic terrorism will cease. Closing Gitmo is only one step to make up for all the terrorists that bush created. It will take a lot more before the threat of terrorism is truly eliminated. Still, one step in the right direction is better than nothing.
  • Billyk75 StarrGa... 2009/05/22 14:37:23
    Billyk75
    +2
    Bush created terrorism? We been fighting these thugs since the early 19th century.
  • StarrGa... Billyk75 2009/05/22 14:54:55
    StarrGazerr
    +2
    bush's illegal invasion of Iraq resulted in the destabilization of the entire region and created a training ground for the recruitment and training of hundreds if not thousands of al Qaeda operatives who are now out there posing a threat to the United States and the rest of the civilized world. But for bush's actions, there would have been no training camps and hence a lot less terrorists to worry about. Not to mention that bush's cavalier dismissal of even the basic concept of human rights did much to inflame those who already were not thrilled with the United States. His approval of torture at Guantanamo and elsewhere sent a clear message to the potential terrorists out there that the United States has no moral superiority and deserved no respect. Thank God President Obama has started to reverse that trend.
  • Billyk75 StarrGa... 2009/05/22 15:06:25
    Billyk75
    These terrorists fell they have divine obligation from their God to destroy us. During the three men that were tortured(?), there were doctors present. Also if the detainees were tortured. they would have had sticks rammed through their fingernails, white hot metal rods stuck up their rectums or their limbs cut off. President Obama is just showing weakness and in the eyes of these terrorists that would mean that we are too complacent to fight. Obama or no Obama these individuals are out ot destroy us no matter what. Its been happening during the Carter, Reagan and Clinton years. These fanatics are on a mission and its something that we are going to have to live with.
  • DADDYFATS61 2009/05/22 05:35:36
    No the President is wrong.
    DADDYFATS61
    +2
    and with all the arab ass kissing they are still blowing up our troops,or has OBama's media not informed him yet ???
  • seattleman 2009/05/22 04:05:49
    Yes the President is right.
    seattleman
    +3
    I very much agree with President Obama. Gitmo, and the Abu Grahib prisoner abuses have been the biggest recruiting tools for Al-Qaeda and other extremeist groups imaginable.
  • DADDYFA... seattleman 2009/05/22 05:52:56
    DADDYFATS61
    +1
    these people have hated us for 250 yrs and nothing will ever change.and they have hated the christian world for thousands of years.but don't worry Obama will have sold us out way before the muslims get us.
  • seattleman DADDYFA... 2009/05/22 11:03:16
    seattleman
    Aloha.
  • Raymond 2009/05/22 03:45:27
    No the President is wrong.
    Raymond
    +2
    HA!! And Whoopee Goldberg is worried about Glenn Beck lying?? What a farce. Of course, the Messiah says something like this where there is absolutely no way to either prove or disprove his statement, and he knows his disciples will buy whatever he says hook, line, and sinker......so he gets away with this nonsense.
  • Pele Emerging 2009/05/22 01:22:56
    Yes the President is right.
    Pele Emerging
    +4
    The youngest GITMO detainee was 14 when they captured him. If he wasn't a terrorist when they started on him, he probably leaned that way by the time he was released at age 21. I rarely check out Fox News, but here's a link to the story on a site dear to the hearts of conservatives. http://www.foxnews.com/wires/...

    There were other young kids captured and detained, as well. Their experiences at GITMO probably made everything they'd been taught seem even more true than those who indoctrinated them had ever hoped.
  • seattleman Pele Em... 2009/05/22 04:14:17
    seattleman
    +2
    Excellent points!
  • DADDYFA... seattleman 2009/05/22 05:53:43
    DADDYFATS61
    i hope all of you who voted for Obama,and agreed he is right get your share of terrorist in your town jails
  • seattleman DADDYFA... 2009/05/22 11:07:20
    seattleman
    Me too.
  • DADDYFA... Pele Em... 2009/05/22 05:56:18
    DADDYFATS61
    since you know so much about this 14 yr old how many US troops did he kill or how many iraqis did he blow blow up and mame????
  • Pele Em... DADDYFA... 2009/05/22 13:58:12
    Pele Emerging
    +3
    I'll bet you don't even know where the kid was picked up. I think he was 13 at the time, but 14 by the time he was shipped to GITMO. If you think 13 or 14 year old boys are responsible human beings who know exactly what they are doing and the consequences of their actions, you've never worked with 13 or 14 year old boys.
  • Mick Pele Em... 2009/05/22 22:30:11
    Mick
    Al Qaida starts training terrorist at an early age, probably alot like racism, parents teach and it is passed on. It's sad that a young person is taught to use a gun instead of ride his bicycle. But in some parts of the world it is a way of life. The fact is some terrosist do come under the age of 18.
    Check out this video. Not the type of kids I want my 12 yr old to be playing with. http://www.liveleak.com/view?...
  • Pele Em... Mick 2009/05/23 00:05:35
    Pele Emerging
    +2
    Boys are impressionable. That's why gangs start recruiting at a young age, just like Al Qaida. This doesn't mean that a 13/14 year old can't be re-educated or re-indoctrinated, so to speak. By putting a kid that young in GITMO, our government carved his anti-American sentiments into his very soul.
  • Mike W 2009/05/22 00:32:20 (edited)
    No the President is wrong.
    Mike W
    +3
    Thats a crock of sh*t. Terrorists existed and planned murderous attacks against our people long before Gitmo was established as a holding and interogation port for TERRORISTS and ENEMY COMBATANTS who planned, tried to and carried out murderous attacks on our citizens and our military. Despite the hypocrisy of the Almighty O giving another pandering speach infront of the Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independance (which are wonderful works THAT APPLY TO US CITIZENS ON US SOIL/TERRITORY NOT TO ENEMY COMBATANTS AND TERRORISTS ON FOREIGN SOIL) today the issue of fighting and attacking TERRORISM especially on a world stage IS NOT and SHOULD NOT be considered a internal law enforcememt issue and fought by the evidencary rules of US criminal court proceedings, THOSE ACTS ARE AN ACT OF WAR DECLARED BY A SHADOWY FOE, how are you gonna read some one their rights, to conduct a court acceptable arrest or detention, when they're running at your with a bomb strapped to their a$$. Thinking of it as a law enforcement issue is the same FATAL mistake made by the Clintons which failed to react properly to the Cole bombing and many other terrorist attacks that led up to the 9/11 attack..Reverting back to that train of thought to appease world opinion and political special interests groups puts America and Americans at great risk.
  • Peggy 2009/05/21 23:15:24
    Yes the President is right.
    Peggy
  • Luis 2009/05/21 23:12:47 (edited)
    Yes the President is right.
    Luis
    +3
    Kinda how the Iraq War made things worse in the middle east.
  • Zuggi 2009/05/21 23:07:28
    Yes the President is right.
    Zuggi
    +1
    No doubt.
  • getalife 2009/05/21 22:19:03
    No the President is wrong.
    getalife
    +3
    The only thing that has been created by anything is a bigger government and a super large Debt. thanks to the anointed one.
  • Angel 2009/05/21 22:16:12
    No the President is wrong.
    Angel
    +4
    I don't obama knows what he is talking about most of the time... someone needs to reprogram his teleprompter
  • diaverde08-AmericanKilljoy 2009/05/21 21:53:04
    Undecided
    diaverde08-AmericanKilljoy
    This statement cannot be proven or disproven unless we knew the number of terrorists in the world right before Guantanamo Bay opened AND the number after Gitmo closed. Now, if terrorists attacks or insurgent strikes increased in certain countries, then it might indicate a correlation between gitmo and terrorism, but we couldn't be sure of that either. Even then, it could also be our very presence in Iraq and Afghanistan (deerrr!) that is being used as a rallying call for terrorist recruitment. One can't "prove" that it is the knowlege of Gitmo's existence that resulted in the recruitment of even one terrorist. It is only plausible.
  • CRX H22 2009/05/21 19:31:15 (edited)
  • StarrGa... CRX H22 2009/05/21 19:42:35
    StarrGazerr
    +5
    The article you link to has absolutely nothing to do with Guantanamo, al Qaeda or anything else involved in this issue. The people involved in the "temple plot" were all US Citizens living in Newburgh, New York.

    Now, if you want to talk about the potential danger of allowing just anyone to own just any weapon they want with no registration and no restrictions, that's another story. You might want to save your article for the next time some NRA nut complains about nonexistent "secret plots to take away guns". Kind of makes you wish there really was such a "plot."

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