Obama Haters Are Lying Again

by JaguarSocialist Posted 2012/09/25 19:49:06

Related Topics: Obama, Religion, Holocaust, Islam, Muslim, right wing, Google, School, Christian, Student, Intolerance, Egypt, Tahrir Square, President Obama, Brain

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If you use the link, you'll find a discussion that completely misrepresents the words of President Obama. However, this is nothing new since Obama haters lack facts and truth to support anything they post. Furthermore, these types of discussions are typically posted by right wing cowards who block responses. That one fact proves right wing idiots, so evident in the discussion linked below, can't stand the truth.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-future-must-not-bel...

If you Google the speech, it's easy to learn exactly what the president said. The source I use is not a liberal one.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/328483/obama-future-must...

The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted “Muslims, Christians, we are one.” The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country’s resources – it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs; workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the men and women that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied [Emphasis added]. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.

Notice the president's words are in defense of all three major religions but, of course, the truth doesn't fit into the brain dead person who posted the discussion linked above. In addition to it's obvious lies, the discussion also has a disgusting level of anti-Muslim bigotry.

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ProudProgressive 2012/09/25 20:05:06

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LOL saying "Obama haters are lying again" is like saying "the dog is barking again". That's all they know how to do.
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Q 2012/09/26 13:37:59

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They block everyone who dares point out their propaganda/lies promoting their anti-Obama agenda so it turns into just another pathetic right wing circle jerk of hate and ignorance.

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Lady Whitewolf 2012/09/26 10:20:33

I seriously doubt this is real.

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redhorse29 2012/09/26 05:02:28

What makes wealthy liberal progressive elitist always right? They lie, cheat, exaggerate, ridicule and spew vile government expansion in their quest to dominate and control the pitiful dirty masses.

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Space Invader 2012/09/26 01:25:28

this is not a misrepresentation of his words

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Phoenix to Space I... 2012/09/26 01:45:21 (edited)

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But at least put it in context with the rest of the speech;
The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country's resources – it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs; workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the men and women that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That...

But at least put it in context with the rest of the speech;
The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country's resources – it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs; workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the men and women that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.

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Space I... to Phoenix 2012/09/26 01:49:03

I don't have to......he said ir

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Telly S... to Space I... 2012/09/26 04:27:53

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You don't have to what? Take that statement in context? No, you don't. However, to take it out of context, as in your juvenile image, you expose your ignorance and dishonesty. Doing so also demonstrates just how weak your position is. If you have to lie and/or take statements out of context it means your position probably isn't worth being taken seriously. You become nothing more than a bad joke.

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Space I... to Telly S... 2012/09/26 11:52:42

I said; he is a radical supporter of Islam; and thats that

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Telly S... to Space I... 2012/09/26 11:59:24

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That would fit squarely in the 'lie' category.

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chicago to Space I... 2012/09/26 22:38:21

So, does you commitment to words taken out of context, have you honestly believe that Romney doesn't know why airplane "windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem."

Or is it only when your personal beliefs are in play that you use the "he said it" reference?

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rustyshackelford 2012/09/26 01:19:12
CAROLYN NTARWNJBS 2012/09/26 00:57:06 (edited)

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The poster you linked always distorts the truth. I have never seen anything posted by her that has ever resembled an inkling of truth. They have nothing but lies and hate to keep them going until Pres.Obama is out of office. I've been blocked by her for quite awhile.

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chicago to CAROLYN... 2012/09/27 13:35:03

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She must have quite the list, I've been blocked by her, for ages, as well.

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CAROLYN... to chicago 2012/09/28 00:42:39

Oh she sure does! Actually, she was gone for awhile on a bet and she lost. The loser was to promise not to be on SH anymore. Lol, she lost and we didn't have to see any of her whacked out posts for a while. All good things come to an end I guess. :)

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santa6642 2012/09/26 00:30:54

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BS and TS.

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unclepat 2012/09/26 00:22:18

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Lying again??? When it comes to the Obama haters in the world of right wing loonies, when in the hell did they ever tell the truth? Except those of course courageous enough to use the anonymity of the internet to show their racist attitudes!

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YouSirName 2012/09/26 00:11:15

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The GOP has built its political house on the sands of lies. They shouldn't be surprised to see it washed away.

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Kronan_1 2012/09/25 23:41:54

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After reading the comments you Obama Zombies have written it only prove what a bunch of braindead morons you Obots are. You are the 47% stupid no account idiots that will vote wrong no matter what. I am glad not to be as retarded as you people. Liberalism .. A disease with no cure because stupid cannot be fixed.

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scbluesman13 2012/09/25 22:23:41

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One of Obama's greatest personality strengths is also one of the biggest criticisms the Right has accused him of since he was a State Senator... And that is that he is a conciliator. He's always had a tendency to try and find middle ground, or build on a shared experience.

People forget that Obama *didn't* want the individual mandate as part of his healthcare reform package, but finally conceded to its inclusion on the assumption that conservatives would support the bill since up until 2009, HI mandates were popular with conservatives.

His energy proposal (that mccain-palin campaign touted as "cap & tax" was based off of the original cap & trade method of controlling emissions which was popular with conservatives until he supported the idea.

Even when you go back to his days as a student at harvard law, he had this reputation. It's the main reason why he was elected as editor of the law review. His peers felt that he had this unique capability to bring differing opinions to the table to try and find some common ground.

Those who desire a warrior king hate this trait in their leaders. Those who desire a philosopher king love it.

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CAROLYN... to scblues... 2012/09/26 00:50:33

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Boy do I agree with that! Well said scblues!

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scblues... to CAROLYN... 2012/09/26 02:33:58

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Thank you! =)'

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Space I... to scblues... 2012/09/26 01:26:49

ask the people of Illinois if they agree with you...

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Telly S... to Space I... 2012/09/26 09:35:54

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OK...looks like they do. At least according to all of the recent polls. http://www.realclearpolitics....

So what were you saying again?

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Space I... to Telly S... 2012/09/26 11:52:05

your polls smell like Barry's personage..mean nothing

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realityjunkie 2012/09/25 22:21:39

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That poster is one of the biggest SH users who slanders our president. I have been in many debates with her. She is the biggest birther and will discount any fact you prove. Funny but the other day I told her some of the Mormon beliefs and she said it was "Gobbledy gook". Types like her just sicken me. Look at all the dolts who fall for it! That's what scares me come November. People voting based on BS.

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Drake 2012/09/25 21:49:43
Phoenix 2012/09/25 21:24:45

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[sigh] .... what's new?

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Rebel Yell 2012/09/25 21:05:58

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Thanks for pointing this out. I pass by her posts because she distorts so many things. Anyone who has listened to President Obama knows he would not target any one religion or support just one. Unlike Mitt Romney, he understands the world stage and its many players. He is no saber rattler for the sake of attention. Because he will not allow Netanyahu to bully him, they try to paint him as anti-Israel. Perhaps GWB or Mitt Romney would draw " lines in the sand" with Iran as Netanyahu demands. This President has tightened sanctions on Iran to the extent that it is having difficulty selling its oil on the world market. He does not have to draw lines because Netanyahu is having another tantrum.

Is he a perfect President? Like the others who have preceded him, no.. of course not. There are reasons, legitimate ones, not to support him if you are a true conservative.... assuming a handful still exist. But to resort to lies and openly admit that facts are irrelevant illustrate just how much they fear this President. It's not about hate.. it's about fear from the likes of Karl Rove , the Koch Boys, and billionaire Sheldon Adelson who is constantly with Mitt Romney. They fear losing control of the USA if Obama is a second termer, and he will be.

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JCD aka... to Rebel Yell 2012/09/25 21:18:32

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Exactly, "they fear losing control of the USA".

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Space I... to Rebel Yell 2012/09/26 01:28:07

yeah; Barack Islam Obama really knows it

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BritPunk to Space I... 2012/09/26 09:18:19

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Lady Wh... to Rebel Yell 2012/09/26 10:21:38

well said

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just me 2012/09/25 20:39:37

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I take some comfort in the fact that some of us, like you, Jaguar, check our facts before we form opinions. Isn't it Peter King, Republican representing NY, who said I don't care about Fact Check. Seems to run in the thought process of the desperate.

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gocar 2012/09/25 20:36:21

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It is strange that the Republicans have supporters at all. When you think of the masses you think of the ordinary working people. I include all those people who work for a living. There are very few people who do not have to work and we call them the Idle rich. Even professional people such as engineers, doctors, lawyers etc. have to work for a living. Any one us could find ourselves injured and unable to work and the money stops coming in. Why would we not want a society that cares about what happens to each of us in times of adversity. America has become a begging society where everything has to have a fund raiser to help some poor soul out. A sick child needs fund raisers, wounded vets need fund raisers, schools, and all sorts of good causes have to have fund raising to make ends meet. The wealthy use charity as a feel good. They give an amount that is not going to make a hill of beans difference to them. Most working people are far more generous with their time and money. Still the Republicans get people to vote for them and I keep asking myself WHY? There are so many more of us all at the bottom or middle of the ladder and so few sitting on that last rung at the top. I see the difference as the Democratic Party wanting to build more ladders and the Republicans want...

It is strange that the Republicans have supporters at all. When you think of the masses you think of the ordinary working people. I include all those people who work for a living. There are very few people who do not have to work and we call them the Idle rich. Even professional people such as engineers, doctors, lawyers etc. have to work for a living. Any one us could find ourselves injured and unable to work and the money stops coming in. Why would we not want a society that cares about what happens to each of us in times of adversity. America has become a begging society where everything has to have a fund raiser to help some poor soul out. A sick child needs fund raisers, wounded vets need fund raisers, schools, and all sorts of good causes have to have fund raising to make ends meet. The wealthy use charity as a feel good. They give an amount that is not going to make a hill of beans difference to them. Most working people are far more generous with their time and money. Still the Republicans get people to vote for them and I keep asking myself WHY? There are so many more of us all at the bottom or middle of the ladder and so few sitting on that last rung at the top. I see the difference as the Democratic Party wanting to build more ladders and the Republicans wanting to pull up the only one.
Does trickle down economics really work? Haven't we tried it for the past 30 years? Did getting rid of banking oversight really help? What are people thinking to want more of the same? I am completely flummoxed as to why people think the way they do. They worry about abortion but care little for the thousands who life in the shadow of violence from poverty, war, and other unrest. Some of which we aid and abet. They think people in a same sex relationship will go to hell but why would they want to make that a worry of their own? Human being are probably the strangest living thing on the planet.
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Lady Wh... to gocar 2012/09/26 10:24:04

"Does trickle down economics really work?"
NOPE

Does throwing MORE money at the WEALTHY work"
NOPE

It's sad that people want to CONTINUE these failed schemes....

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jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/09/25 20:35:28

The writer you link to is far from brain dead, and anger and hate aren't the same thing. She stated OPINIONS -- this is still an OPINION site, right? If you disagree with her OPINIONS, say so -- but without personal attack. All you do is weaken your own case.

I haven't read Obama's speech, but my first instinct here is to say he was wrong to base ANYTHING on religious grounds; he should have stuck to social words -- minorities, bullying, human rights, etc.

The difficulty many have with ANY defense of Islam is that it encourages their political ambitions -- which are global and in direct conflict with ANY constitution or form of government that isn't a restrictive theocracy. Islamists are NOT interested in "a true democratic spirit," and they ARE intolerant. They need to be contained -- and the differences between religious Muslims living normal lives and political Islamists who use their religion to advance their cause need to be made clear.

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chicago to jubil8 ... 2012/09/25 22:45:42 (edited)

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While she might state opinions, she does so frequently by distorting/withholding facts. She could have easily chosen to post the entire segment of the speech, she chose not to. I'd point this out to her, but my doing so has been cause for her to block me ages ago.

Anyone can voice an opinion and do so without having referring to, or distorting, the facts at hand. You just did. You chose to voice an opinion "..first instinct here is to say he was wrong to base ANYTHING on religious grounds" while clearly stating that you have no knowledge from which to from that opinion, "I haven't read Obama's speech".

At least you're honest about not having the facts at hand and forming an opinion. She just blatantly misrepresents.

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jubil8 ... to chicago 2012/09/26 02:24:23

What did I distort? There are many pathways to forming opinions, and I'm careful not to state things as facts that I don't/can't verify. I could have had an opinion about that part of his speech without reading one word, you know. I read all the parts quoted on line, not just here. I believe that was sufficient for my opinion that he should have avoided religion -- and I'll stick with it. Here's my permanent quote on the subject:

"Imo no speech before a non-religious group should bring up religion unless a point can't be effectively stated any other way." Axioms of Speech-Making 101 by Jubil8.

If you know someone only posts part of something, you also know you should check out the original before commenting, right? So what's the problem?

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chicago to jubil8 ... 2012/09/26 22:34:45

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My apologies, my words were poorly written. My statement "Anyone can voice an opinion and do so without having referring to, or distorting, the facts at hand. You just did" was meant to communicate that you had just voiced an opinion, WITHOUT having to refer to, or distort the facts (meaning you did not distort). Did not mean to imply you were doing otherwise. While you may have not had access to the entire speech, you were clear about it, and didn't distort the facts in the process.

Incidentally (while I'd agree with you that religion should not be a topic of any political communication (I don't care what someone's stated religion is, I care what they're stated policies are) I'd argue that Obama wasn't discussing religion, but was discussing our countries belief that no one should be attacked, vilified, or "slandered" for their religious beliefs (be they Christian, Muslim, etc). While we have do not a stated national religion, we do have a stated view on freedom of speech, and freedom of/from religion. A rather distinct difference (in my view that is) and one that we may disagree on, but there it is.

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jubil8 ... to chicago 2012/09/27 06:17:42

Congrats and thanks. I've NEVER seen a better balanced or stated reply here. And I pay attention. I hope we'll talk more in future.

PS: I live in the Chi. burbs; maybe we can stick up for the city from time to time.

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