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Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/17 00:05:50
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What else can you make of this speech by Obama:


If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your
own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who
think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot
of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than
everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of
hardworking people out there.


If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The
Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created
the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the
Internet.


The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There
are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I
mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a
hard way to organize fighting fires.


Why Obama is wrong

Obama forgets, if he ever knew, that successful people do what they do with the voluntary consent of every person with whom they deal. That includes the voluntary consent of those who hire him when he starts, the voluntary consent of those who work for him today, and the voluntary consent of any people who buy his product or service.


The examples that Obama gave, in the only world that he knows, are
government services. (And some of them are not always government
services at that.) He cites teachers, road builders, bridge builders,
and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency that gave us what
became the Internet.


But not all school are public schools even today. (Nor need any public school exist.) Streets and roads were not always public even in America.


As to the Internet: the Department of Defense needed to have its
computers keep talking to one another even after a devastating attack
from the air or from space. They developed a new networking method that
civilians could use just as easily. The Internet is a by-product of one
of the three proper functions of government, and grew out of the
government’s basic mission. That mission is to manage force and to apply it to protect people’s rights.


Furthermore, when a person sets out to start a business, he, or someone close to him, has already paid
the teacher, the road and bridge builder, and the technicians at DARPA
who built the Internet. And anything else that the government “gave” the
people, whether as a proper function of government or not.


Obama’s treatment of fire fighting has two basic flaws. First, Obama
would have people believe that everything the government now does, the
private economy could never do. Second, he ignores this fundamental fact
about fire fighting. Every person already does keep his own fire service,
if he owns, controls, or manages a large enough piece of property that
could catch fire. Even an ordinary householder follows a few elementary
fire safety rules. (Or he should.) If every householder had a fire
extinguisher, and knew how to use it, that might stop a lot of fires
from even starting. Any building of any size, definitely has a way to
fight fires. True, fire fighting does not rely completely on one
person’s effort to stop a fire before it starts, or put it out before it
spreads. But neither do most people in a community do nothing
to stop fires from starting, or to bring fires under control when they
start. Otherwise, a city might burn in the ultimate Cloward-Piven disaster. Call it “The Heat of the Tinderboxes: Toward a Total Managed Community.”

Which is what Obama wants.

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  • shadow76 ProudPr... 2012/07/17 15:14:55
    shadow76
    +1
    Don't you lecture me, I read what he said, and it was nothing what you said. Owebama himself does not have clue on how to build a business!
  • ProudPr... shadow76 2012/07/17 16:40:08
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    Funny how we've built more businesses under three years of President Obama than we did in eight years under "businessman" George Bush, isn't it?

    "I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
  • AL ProudPr... 2012/07/17 21:08:12
    AL
    +1
    And G.E. sent over half of their jobs over seas as will! And that from Obamas own friend and ex C,E.O of G.E. as well
  • ProudPr... AL 2012/07/17 21:28:37
    ProudProgressive
    So? President Obama has proposed closing the loopholes that allow US corporations to profit from shipping American jobs overseas. The Republicans filibustered it. Don't get angry at GE because they're playing the game by rules written by conservatives.
  • AL ProudPr... 2012/07/17 21:31:44 (edited)
    AL
    +1
    LOL! Get real will you? Because the U.S. is now paying more taxes then anyonther Country on earth, just doing business now!Thats why that low life friend and ex C.E.O of CLOWN PRINCE OBOZO'S sent over half of G.E.s jobs over seas in the first place!
  • shadow76 ProudPr... 2012/07/18 01:27:08
    shadow76
    What makes you think they think that? Maybe they are too busy working to keep their businesses to think something that stupid!
  • D D ProudPr... 2012/07/18 06:59:54
    D D
    It is FASCINATING that the ones who claim that nobody else knows what socialism/Communism/Marxism is are the very same ones that ADVOCATE Socialism/Communism/Marxism but want to call it by the very benevolent sounding name of Progressivism.. A Hi-Jacked term as inaccurate as it is misleading..
  • BobbyOdd 2012/07/17 10:07:11
    Agree
    BobbyOdd
    +1
    I hope we don't have to go thru 4 more years of his "Change".
  • Sissy BobbyOdd 2012/07/17 16:41:49
    Sissy
    +2
    Well if god forbid, Romney prevails, we'll simply change back to the same failed policies that we had before with even another war thrown in for good measure. That's what the Pubs like to do, start wars that don't include their own kids and benefit only the super rich. Nothing like shooting your own selves in the foot.
  • BobbyOdd Sissy 2012/07/17 21:22:10
    BobbyOdd
    whatever
  • D D 2012/07/17 09:38:11
    Disagree
    D D
    +2
    People work hard to start a business and to keep it going. Obama is wrong. Not every person who has a business is making big money. More are just getting by. He is just playing on peoples envy/hate. Hitler did the same thing with jews. People saw the jews as the holders of money and Hitler used that. It worked well.
  • ProudPr... D D 2012/07/17 12:57:40
    ProudProgressive
    +4
    The President did not even remotely suggest that every person who has a business is making big money. Far from playing on people's envy, he is talking about how every person has value, how we all contribute to a successful society. How successful would any business be if they did not have electricity, telephones, internet, roads, educated employees, etc.? Not very.

    The Hitler reference is typically ignorant. It's remarkable how much hate the Right Wing generates with nonsensical remarks like that. But then, division and class warfare is what the Right Wing is all about, isn't it.
  • Franklin ProudPr... 2012/07/17 13:29:48
    Franklin
    +2
    ever read any of Hitlers campaign speeches ??? Hell have you ever even listened to Obama's speeches ....you do tend to misquote him all the time in your blind defense of him !
  • shadow76 ProudPr... 2012/07/17 16:19:59
    shadow76
    +1
    The Road, electricity....thing is so ridiculous. and is such a bogus idea. I don't have words for it.
  • D D ProudPr... 2012/07/18 07:01:54
    D D
    What he was saying was everyone has helped make the business successful so you have a right to some of it's profits.

    doit
  • Franklin D D 2012/07/17 13:28:26
    Franklin
    +2
    the Hitler reference is spot on ! Hitler made speeches on the same ideas and for the same over reaching government goals.
  • STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL 2012/07/17 07:02:34
    Agree
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    While I wouldn't call Obama a full fledged Communist, as he does not in general believe in government ownership of the means of production (student loans being an example of an exception), Obama is clearly a socialist. He believes in corporatism, the idea that private companies should manage themselves to further federal goals, rather than make maximum returns for their owners. This demonstrates that Obama is clearly anti-capitalist.

    He's also very arrogant. He believes that equity and labor cannot function without government's "help," which of course is just the hindrance of taxes and regulations. He shows his own rank incompetence by "investing" in companies too weak to obtain conventional debt or equity financing just because he ideologically favors green energy companies. What happens in reality is that the taxpayers cosign poor quality loans, Obama gets a kickback in the form of campaign contributions, his crony buddies who get the loans skim some off the top, and then the taxpayer has to pay the bank when the business fails. This kind of financial rape is what always occurs when someone is investing without any "skin in the game." The ultimate funder, in this case the taxpayer, gets reamed. Everyone else just skims gravy from the patsy who really put up the cash.

    ...
    While I wouldn't call Obama a full fledged Communist, as he does not in general believe in government ownership of the means of production (student loans being an example of an exception), Obama is clearly a socialist. He believes in corporatism, the idea that private companies should manage themselves to further federal goals, rather than make maximum returns for their owners. This demonstrates that Obama is clearly anti-capitalist.

    He's also very arrogant. He believes that equity and labor cannot function without government's "help," which of course is just the hindrance of taxes and regulations. He shows his own rank incompetence by "investing" in companies too weak to obtain conventional debt or equity financing just because he ideologically favors green energy companies. What happens in reality is that the taxpayers cosign poor quality loans, Obama gets a kickback in the form of campaign contributions, his crony buddies who get the loans skim some off the top, and then the taxpayer has to pay the bank when the business fails. This kind of financial rape is what always occurs when someone is investing without any "skin in the game." The ultimate funder, in this case the taxpayer, gets reamed. Everyone else just skims gravy from the patsy who really put up the cash.

    So, no Obama, we can get along fine without your socialist "global village." The best thing federal government can do, as always, is NOTHING. The economy in capitalism is properly a free auction market for equity, debt, and labor. It is not a social experiment. We don't need any social experimentation. We need to flip the current model on its head to go back to Founder intent - free markets, but constraints against social perversion. Our Founders called that "ordered liberty." Obama gave us disorganized tyranny. All but Amendments (2) and (3) of the Bill of Rights have been smashed under Obama. The Second Amendment is under imminent attack (the ATT). All we may have left of natural citizen rights is the Third Amendment (this concerns when a US soldier can quarter himself in your home). That's not freedom, that's slavery.
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  • ProudPr... STU~PWC... 2012/07/17 13:04:41
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    When did the President ever say that "private companies should manage themselves to further federal goals"? The President is not in any way anti-capitalist. But the system the Right Wing has forged, where all of the nation's wealth flows into the hands of a small group and the vast majority are made to pay for the luxury the 1% enjoys is not capitalism. It is an oligarchy, an attempt by a small group to control the entire nation regardless of the wishes of the majority.

    And the President is hardly arrogant. You are more informed that most of the Right Wingers who post on this site, so you know very well that the President does not personally oversee every spending decision that the Federal government makes. The loan program to incentivize alternative energy sources has been largely successful. Solyndra didn't make it, but not because of any corruption, and the fact that the Bush Administration pushed for that very loan at the very least suggests that on paper it seemed like a reasonable investment. Not every investment succeeds, but that doesn't mean you condemn the person who invested every time.

    I have to compliment you for your creativity, though. You seem to be about the first person I've seen from the Right who (a) actually knows what the Third Amendment says and (b) ...
    When did the President ever say that "private companies should manage themselves to further federal goals"? The President is not in any way anti-capitalist. But the system the Right Wing has forged, where all of the nation's wealth flows into the hands of a small group and the vast majority are made to pay for the luxury the 1% enjoys is not capitalism. It is an oligarchy, an attempt by a small group to control the entire nation regardless of the wishes of the majority.

    And the President is hardly arrogant. You are more informed that most of the Right Wingers who post on this site, so you know very well that the President does not personally oversee every spending decision that the Federal government makes. The loan program to incentivize alternative energy sources has been largely successful. Solyndra didn't make it, but not because of any corruption, and the fact that the Bush Administration pushed for that very loan at the very least suggests that on paper it seemed like a reasonable investment. Not every investment succeeds, but that doesn't mean you condemn the person who invested every time.

    I have to compliment you for your creativity, though. You seem to be about the first person I've seen from the Right who (a) actually knows what the Third Amendment says and (b) has constructed a brand new vast conspiracy theory about it. You seem to ignore the fact that the President has spent the last four years defending the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendments, but I'll give you a pass on that one.
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  • STU~PWC... ProudPr... 2012/07/17 14:43:38
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    The President never explicitly said "private companies should manage themselves to further federal goals." But Obama's policies clearly reflect gross interference in the private sector that constitutes corporatism. The best example is ObamaCare. The federal government possesses no enumerated power to regulate insurance, yet it mandates that people buy policies containing coverage terms that further what Obama believes to be federal goals (e.g., coverage of preexisting conditions, coverage of children until age 26, mandatory coverage of abortion inducing drugs, etc.), or pay a penalty tax. This is illegal federal interference into the free market.

    The President is extremely anti-capitalist. He tries to pick winners and losers in the market via government interference. Take the combination of the drilling moratorium, and extending taxpayer backed loan guarantees to very weak green energy companies that inevitably fail and leave the taxpayers on the hook to the bank.

    There is no right wing conspiracy theory. The tax system is highly progressive. The poor pay almost nothing, and the wealthy pay far in excess of their fair share. Use of government services does not vary by income, so a significantly flatter tax structure would be much more equitable (such as a flat VAT or na...



    The President never explicitly said "private companies should manage themselves to further federal goals." But Obama's policies clearly reflect gross interference in the private sector that constitutes corporatism. The best example is ObamaCare. The federal government possesses no enumerated power to regulate insurance, yet it mandates that people buy policies containing coverage terms that further what Obama believes to be federal goals (e.g., coverage of preexisting conditions, coverage of children until age 26, mandatory coverage of abortion inducing drugs, etc.), or pay a penalty tax. This is illegal federal interference into the free market.

    The President is extremely anti-capitalist. He tries to pick winners and losers in the market via government interference. Take the combination of the drilling moratorium, and extending taxpayer backed loan guarantees to very weak green energy companies that inevitably fail and leave the taxpayers on the hook to the bank.

    There is no right wing conspiracy theory. The tax system is highly progressive. The poor pay almost nothing, and the wealthy pay far in excess of their fair share. Use of government services does not vary by income, so a significantly flatter tax structure would be much more equitable (such as a flat VAT or national sales tax to replace the FIT). Regarding gross income, we vary greatly in skills and work effort, so great disparity in wealth is to be expected. Further, tens of millions of American jobs are offshored because of longstanding federal policy not to impose retaliatory tariffs against low wage countries that impose import tariffs on our exports (low wage nations like China demand export protection as a condition for allowing the offshoring). Congress is afraid to change the status quo because it would cost them so much in corporate contributions. The corporations are not to blame, as they have a fiduciary obligation to maximize profits for their owners. Congress is to blame for accepting Corporate America's bribes.

    The federal government has no enumerated power to invest taxpayer dollars in private businesses. Most of these fail anyway, because the investments are poorly underwritten, since the federal government is investing taxpayer money, not its own. It's really a form of fraud. The federal government extends taxpayer backed loan guarantees to companies too shaky to obtain financing on ordinary terms, the crony business owner skims some off the top for himself, and skims some more for campaign contributions to those in government who arranged for the guarantee, and then when the company collapses, the taxpayers must pay the bank back.

    The First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendments are all under severe pressure under Obama. The First Amendment is already under attack from the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011, which assails peaceful redress of grievances. Another looming attack is the possible passage of the Disclose Act, which as you may know is under attempted resurrection right now, and would attack free political speech by non-candidates during campaign seasons. Amendments (4)-(8), (due process of law), have been torn to shreds by the US Patriot Act, the 2001 AUMF, and the 2012/2013 NDAA's.
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  • Franklin STU~PWC... 2012/07/17 13:33:07
    Franklin
    +2
    a rose by any other name ! when you have all the power and make all the decisions as well as taking ALL the profit what does it matter who's name is on the title of the company ? The future will document this as a neo- communist move just as it will call the American people ignorant for playing games with words instead of dealing with real issues
  • STU~PWC... Franklin 2012/07/17 14:45:49
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    Agreed.
  • Don Leuty 2012/07/17 04:25:59
    Agree
    Don Leuty
    +3
    The greatest problem of our ship of state is a loose nut...the loose nut behind the steering wheel.
  • OneOfTheAmericanPeople 2012/07/17 04:14:17
    Agree
    OneOfTheAmericanPeople
    +3
    Someone please smite that "Damn Dirty A~E"
  • ScatterJoy! 2012/07/17 03:45:56
    Disagree
    ScatterJoy!
    Seriously, I miss Clinton.
  • Wolfman Scatter... 2012/07/17 05:32:02
    Wolfman
    +2
    I miss Mr. Bush.
  • Franklin Scatter... 2012/07/17 13:37:30
    Franklin
    well I won't go that far - he did have a down economy + bombed Iraq every year and kept unemployment high ...but he also let the Republican run congress cut federal spending and at the end just "got lucky" with the dot.com bubble . The idea that the GDP grew under Clinton is a false idea but it did grow faster than it is growing now ....Clinton did stay ahead of inflation / Obama has had growth at less than half the rate of inflation -
  • Scatter... Franklin 2012/07/17 14:06:04
    ScatterJoy!
    I know I'm far outnumbered, but I think Clinton did a much better job than Bush version 2.
  • Franklin Scatter... 2012/07/20 12:53:37
    Franklin
    Clinton got very very lucky ...he faced no national disasters and was not killed by the MEDIA when he cut services to the disabled + broke campaign promises and bombed Iraq as well as entering into wars in southern Russia . His biggest break was when the Dotcom bubble - Clinton did do better than Obama but only by letting the Republicans cut spending and by having the luckiest breaks of any president in over 60 years ...President George W Bush on the other hand face a 7 trillion dollar stock market loss on day one + a high (under reported) unemployment rate followed by an industry shut down on 9/11 and 5 trillion dollars worth of disasters ....Obama on the other hand started with a 4 trillion dollar stock market crash and face only his own parties actions to bring us to the point we are at now-
    Lets look back shall we
    Clinton got very very lucky ...he faced no national disasters and was not killed by the MEDIA when he cut services to the disabled + broke campaign promises and bombed Iraq as well as entering into wars in southern Russia . His biggest break was when the Dotcom bubble - Clinton did do better than Obama but only by letting the Republicans cut spending and by having the luckiest breaks of any president in over 60 years ...President George W Bush on the other hand face a 7 trillion dollar stock market loss on day one + a high (under reported) unemployment rate followed by an industry shut down on 9/11 and 5 trillion dollars worth of disasters ....Obama on the other hand started with a 4 trillion dollar stock market crash and face only his own parties actions to bring us to the point we are at now-
    Lets look back shall we Dotcom bubble 9 11 florida hurricain 04 florida hurricain 04 insurance loss California fires California fires California mud slid mid west flooding hurricain katrina hurricain katrina hurricain katrina
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  • safari 2012/07/17 03:19:45
    Agree
    safari
    +2
    I can make out that obama is an idiot - who is pushing collectivism over individualism. The sheeple as usual will buy it. Many of the things he mentioned were paid for by taxes, is he suggesting people who are successful don't pay taxes? Oh I know it is the democrat way, just ask Tim Geithner, but the rest of us for the most part pay our taxes.
  • Patric 2012/07/17 02:45:02
    Agree
    Patric
    +3
    obomma does find it hard to believe that some one can become sucessful by their own hard work and good sound business sense.

    in this day of affirmative action, gov't entitlements , all of which are obomma 's favorites , it is hard for the entitled one to believe real Americans can find sucess out side of the nanny state.
  • American☆Atheist 2012/07/17 02:43:40
    Disagree
    American☆Atheist
    +4
    Isn't the GOP's color *gasps* red?

    gop red
  • AL America... 2012/07/17 06:11:38
    AL
    +2
    The Gop isn't left wing- like the liberals-socialist and communist are
  • ProudPr... AL 2012/07/17 13:06:08
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    No the GOP is a fascist oligarchy intent on recreating the Third Reich on American soil, depriving all but the wealthy few of their hard fought for rights and draining the nation's wealth to place into offshore bank accounts while children starve. The only thing missing is the armbands.
  • Franklin ProudPr... 2012/07/17 13:38:48
    Franklin
    your the one following a man who repeats Hitlers speeches almost word for word !
  • ProudPr... Franklin 2012/07/17 21:29:43
    ProudProgressive
    A. It's not at all surprising that you're familiar with Hitler's speeches.

    B. The President has never said anything that even remotely resembles anything that Hitler ever said. Dick Cheney, on the other hand ......
  • Franklin ProudPr... 2012/07/20 12:56:16
    Franklin
    what is wrong with knowing history ? Now that you have admitted to not ever reading any of Hitlers speeches and to NEVER ever listening to Obama when he speaks what makes you think you have any credibility when you claim they are not saying the same things ?
  • AL ProudPr... 2012/07/17 21:04:10 (edited)
    AL
    +1
    Commie please! I never met one Christian Conservative that ever agreed with Hitler in my life time-So Please try again comrade!
  • ProudPr... AL 2012/07/17 21:35:20
    ProudProgressive
    Of course not. That's why you're trying to eradicate every Hispanic, Black, Muslim and Homosexual in America, and relegate every female in America to slavery. No similarities at all.......
  • AL ProudPr... 2012/07/17 21:37:52
    AL
    Eradicate? LMAO! I guess you have some real proof of your propaganda perhaps?
  • America... AL 2012/07/17 14:54:54
    American☆Atheist
    +1
    Idk, commies didn't like gays...

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