“Imagine how the American people would react if Al Qaeda killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the Internet,” said Representative Mike Rogers, Republican of Michigan and chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. “Osama bin Laden is not a trophy. He is dead, and let’s now focus on continuing the fight until Al Qaeda has been eliminated.”
New York Times May 4, 2011
Obama Decides To Not Release Osama Death Photo.
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Cookielane 2011/05/04 18:14:02
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If Al-Qeada has the ability to admit and accept that Osama was killed by the US what does it say about the brain dead morons who don't believe the US killed Osama?
BTW...The US is a noble nation that is suppose to act in a more ethical manner than Radical Muslim terrorists.
BTW...A 1000 raves for you being able to see reason. You've made my day. All too often, people on SH have their minds so made up they're incapable of seeing the other view.
Has anyone a plan to address the cause of the Evil or just only firefighting & killing innocents....
There are MILLIONS of Muslims who don't know what to believe about the US. I'd like those Muslims to have another reason to believe the US has more integrity and is a nobler nation than the Radical Muslims and the nations that support terrorism.
I'm not against muslims. Far from it. In war, I'd allow them the right to handle their deceased the way they want as long as we got the same from them. But ObL wasn't a soldier and wasn't a religious leader. He was a mass murderer. And I'd treat him like the garbage he was and not worry about trying to prove anything to anyone but the American people.
Again, I understand the argument against showing it. I simply disagree. This was far too big an issue and it was far too big an attack to be tossed aside. No gloating, but I wouldn't deny Americans, the victims of his attack, the right to see that attacker dead.
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The killing of Osama was a federal execution and the majority of the victims of 9/11 were murdered in NYC. There is also this other matter, the US has a long standing policy of not publishing the photos of deceased enemy combatants especially for US purposes. The publishing of Uday and Qusay Hussein death photos was at the behest of the interim Iraqi government.
It was not a federal execution as they asked him if he would surrender and he would not. He is a criminal killed in a shoot out with those US agents sent to stop him. We see battle pictures all the time. Our own soldiers, criminals, police who are shot, hostages, by standers, civilians in war, etc. We spend billions to fight terrorism, millions to catch or kill the mass murder ObL, finally catch and kill him, and it becomes a secret and photo of so much importance it becomes restricted? Again, I understand the reasoning as to why it might possibly offend some, I just disagree that it overrides the reasons as to why it should be allowed to be public.
We saw not only the Hussein sons but Sadaam as well. There are many who lost family members of friends on 9-11 and much of the country that saw their country change that day who would like to see the man responsible for that pain, dead. I am sure many muslims would like to as well. And for those that think ObL was a good muslim and deserves to be treated well, I do not care what they think. For those who despise the extremists and understand what he did on 9-11, they will understand why we want to see him dead.
If, as you say, Osama was nothing more than a criminal killed in a shoot out, then it would certainly set precedent for a death photo to be released to the public and all the more reason for the federal government not to release Osama's.
Here's the truth about your opinion, it doesn't matter that you want to see a photo of a dead Saddam to satisfy your blood lust. I lost a fiance and soon to be sister-in-law in the south tower. The man who raised my siblings and I after my parents were killed in a car accident, was murdered at the Pentagon. I have no interest in seeing the death photo of Saddam. The people who make the decisions don't agree with your opinion. The people in a position to protect the image/reputation of the US have decided to NOT risk having the US associated with the same behaviour as terrorists and have wisely elected to NOT publish/release Osama's death photo.
Your argument to release Osama's death photo just doesn't hold up.
Obama visited today with firefighters and survivors of firefighter's families. One father had a comment that might be helpful in explaining this. He simply said, when asked if this helped with closure, that it didn't. "I didn't get a body to bury. Not even a bone. Its something I know in my head but have had nothing to see to help it sink in. And now I hear the man who killed my son is dead, and I have no body to see once again. Both are gone and its all somehow still surreal as I've never seen any of it."
No one has the right to act in an inhumane manner, you are correct. I think withholding the pics is doing just that. You don't, fine. I would say you are wrong and many victims and Americans in general would agree with me.
I specifically stated photos would prove nothing as they could be doctored so I won't bother debating that point. My statement, which possibly you misread or skipped, stated "I do not need photos as proof as I believe he is dead and photos can be altered." That is not why they should be released. They should be released as the public who suffered because of him has a right to see him if they choose to. Withholding it is akin to telling a rape and murder victim's ...
Obama visited today with firefighters and survivors of firefighter's families. One father had a comment that might be helpful in explaining this. He simply said, when asked if this helped with closure, that it didn't. "I didn't get a body to bury. Not even a bone. Its something I know in my head but have had nothing to see to help it sink in. And now I hear the man who killed my son is dead, and I have no body to see once again. Both are gone and its all somehow still surreal as I've never seen any of it."
No one has the right to act in an inhumane manner, you are correct. I think withholding the pics is doing just that. You don't, fine. I would say you are wrong and many victims and Americans in general would agree with me.
I specifically stated photos would prove nothing as they could be doctored so I won't bother debating that point. My statement, which possibly you misread or skipped, stated "I do not need photos as proof as I believe he is dead and photos can be altered." That is not why they should be released. They should be released as the public who suffered because of him has a right to see him if they choose to. Withholding it is akin to telling a rape and murder victim's family that the criminal was caught but they could not see him, could not go to the trial, and cannot attend sentencing or see him in prison. That they should see nothing, but move on.
I realize you don't see it that way, but your opinion is not shared by all or more important than those who disagree with it.
You're barbaric blood lust knows no bounds. I guess you're just fine with terrorists showing photos of people they've killed just so they can prove to the world they've actually killed someone. The US can't be outraged about terrorists publishing the photos of the people they've murdered if the US releases the death photo of Osama. It's called hypocrisy when people criticize the behaviour of other and engage in the same behaviour they've criticized.
No one has the RIGHT to see death photos of ANYONE, especially the general public. New York, where the majority of 9/11 victims were murdered, does not permit victim viewing of an execution neither does the federal government. That's all the more reason the photos shouldn't be released.
The US government isn't a terrorist organization and doesn't publish the death photos of people it's killed.
I'm done trying to explain a simple matter, of dignity, to you. Respond if you will but I'm finished.
Have a great weekend.
Adios!
I'm not going conspiracy theory here, I believe OBL is dead and thank God for that! But why was the body disposed of so quickly? And really, if there was a West Point like training center just a half mile down the road, don't you think they might have heard the attack and investigated? I mean they do have guns and all plus 40 minutes to look into the mess. Yet not a peep out of that bunch, why? You can't honestly tell me there's not one smart phone in that entire town. Al Jezeera would have been all over that! And they certainly are not timid about showing live beheadings on their program.
No, this whole thing is starting to sound more like a political stunt. Were any of you there? I know I wasn't...all I've got is the internet and tv. We're spoonfed whatever proof they (our government) wants to feed us. After that bogus birth certificate last week this is starting to sound suspect.
Something smells in Denmark...sorry, Washington.
I don't know Kiber. Your statements on this thread are really coming across as incredibly naive.
I had you as a friend here on Sodahad, Kiber. Maybe it's time to sever that tie since you have proven you have no respect for the opinions of others. Pretty ironic considering Sodahead's tagline.
You don't know what I do for a living but I will guarandamntee you're lame ass that I'm a crap load closer to the FACTS of ANY national/international matter than you'll ever get even if you were to spend 24/7, for the rest of your worthless life, digging around on Google looking for the drivel puked out by other conspiracy theorists who're just as effed up as you.
As for severing our "friendship," please go ahead and do so, since I, several days ago, "unfriended" you because I don't want other SHs to believe I voluntarily associate with a lunatic conspiracy theorist.
And Obama's statement that releasing the photo could stir up hostilities in the Muslim world, would that be worse that the hostility they already have for us over, oh, I don't know, say 2 ILLEGAL wars of aggression against Muslim countries (and military action in Libya)? The deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi, Afghani, Libyan, and Pakistani civilians at the hands of US bombs (for humanitarian pruposes, mind you)? For making Muslims (in general) the scum of the Earth in the eyes of most people who have no knowledge of the truth about 9/11? And for the "extremist" Muslims, for KILLING OBL and showing ignorant Americans cheering in the streets?
Yeah, showing this picture could really enrage them. Good choice, Mr. President.
Ohhhhh, you're one of those people....You people will never be satisfied. You're the type who would claim ANY photo, of Osama, released by the US government is PhotoShopped.
Why don't you stop and think about the MILLIONS of Muslims who don't know what to believe about the US? Why don't you stop and think that the US is a noble nation and honestly believes the worst of the worst should be treated with respect because WE are a nation of people with INTEGRITY....You do know about integrity, right?
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I don't know Kiber. I thought you were one of the enlightened who understood the truth. I guess I was wrong.
And to claim that we don't have a right to view photos that would prove what our government has TOLD us, that's ridiculous. They are supposed to be OUR government, and they work for US. They aren't kings or queens, they aren't our RULERS, they aren't above the law. But I guess you feel confident that they are telling you the truth? Good luck with that.
As for the millions of Muslims who don't know what to believe about the USA, where the hell have they been the last 10 years? With all of these wars, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian deaths, the bloodlust of the America people not only over this Bin Laden deal, but the ground zero Mosque, how could they not yet know about America? So a photo showing that they killed Bin Laden is going to be the kicker? Releasing that photo is going to make all these Mulsims...
I don't know Kiber. I thought you were one of the enlightened who understood the truth. I guess I was wrong.
And to claim that we don't have a right to view photos that would prove what our government has TOLD us, that's ridiculous. They are supposed to be OUR government, and they work for US. They aren't kings or queens, they aren't our RULERS, they aren't above the law. But I guess you feel confident that they are telling you the truth? Good luck with that.
As for the millions of Muslims who don't know what to believe about the USA, where the hell have they been the last 10 years? With all of these wars, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian deaths, the bloodlust of the America people not only over this Bin Laden deal, but the ground zero Mosque, how could they not yet know about America? So a photo showing that they killed Bin Laden is going to be the kicker? Releasing that photo is going to make all these Mulsims all of a sudden say "Ohhhhhh, I knew it! Those Americans are evil and have no respect for the Muslim people"! Ridiculous!
You need to disassociate the US government from the people of the US, Kiber. We have many good people here whose reputations are being stained by the hideous actions of our govenrment. As I said, you can trust them all you want. I'll do my duty as an American and always question their actions as they pertain to the Constitution. You know, how our founders intended us to, and we've collectively failed miserably at?
No one has the RIGHT to see death photos of ANYONE, especially the general public. New York, where the majority of 9/11 victims were murdered, does not permit victim viewing of an execution neither does the federal government. That's all the more reason the photos shouldn't be released.
The US government isn't a terrorist organization and doesn't publish the death photos of people it's killed.
I'm done trying to explain a simple matter, of dignity, to you. Respond if you will but I'm finished.
Have a great weekend.
Adios!
I guess when you honestly believe we were attacked by a Muslim madman (even though there is ZERO evidence linking him to the event) you could irrationally see what our government has been doing over the last decade as noble. How, I can't understand, but hey, if it works for you and makes you feel good, go with it. I'll stick with the truth and speak my mind about the crimes of our "leaders". You worry about offending a few people by releasing a picture of a dead guy.