Obama and his administration DRONING ON spying on you Yes SPYING ON YOU

iamnothere 2012/07/08 15:03:55
The Great Drone Panic
By Rich Lowry
July 6, 2012 12:00 A.M.

The Great Drone Panic of 2012 is upon us.

Congress recently instructed the Federal Aviation Administration to open up the skies to more domestic use of the pilotless aircraft by private citizens and law enforcement. This, we’re told in the urgent tones of Paul Revere on his famous ride, is the first step toward a dystopian surveillance state overseen by a ubiquitous drone air force. Nothing will be hidden from the watchful eye of the drones.

The influential conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer wants drones banned domestically and thinks the first American to shoot one down will be declared a national hero. Senator Rand Paul considers them a clear-and-present danger to American freedom and is offering legislation to require a warrant every time one takes flight, except to patrol the border or in extraordinary circumstances. The drone is to our liberty what the wolf is to sheep, a natural enemy.

It is understandable that drones don’t have a warm-and-fuzzy image. Overseas, they are vehicles for an ongoing campaign of assassination. The drone attack has become the signature tactic in the war against terror. Spectacularly precise strikes take out people who had no idea they were coming, in notably antiseptic (for the operator of the drone, at least) acts of warfare.

And this is the first objection to the use of drones domestically: They are weapons of war! About to be deployed here at home! Not exactly. We don’t kill people with drones; we kill them with Hellfire missiles. The drone is just the platform. By this standard, we would have no police helicopters because helicopters are weapons of war. For that matter, by this standard police shouldn’t be allowed to carry firearms, which are a weapon of war going back a couple of centuries.

As for police drones randomly watching us as we innocently go about our business, this is not a novel phenomenon. Police do it all the time. It is called a patrol. They do it utilizing all manner of technology — on foot, on horseback, on bikes, in cars, and even on Segway scooters. So long as they are looking at us in public areas where we have no reasonable expectation of privacy, our liberty survives intact.

Drones will no doubt raise novel issues under the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure. They will require rules. The same is true of any technology, of course. The Supreme Court held unanimously earlier this year that police can’t attach a GPS tracker on someone’s vehicle without a warrant. This isn’t reason to ban all use of GPS trackers by law enforcement. The fear of drones is, in part, the fear of the new — it is Luddism masquerading as civil libertarianism.

Drones are coming no matter what. They will be too inexpensive and too useful to ignore. FedEx and UPS are interested in using drones to fly cargo. Farmers have used drones to monitor their crops. The market for drones, now almost $6 billion, is expected to double in the next ten years, according to the New York Times. Lockheed Martin is developing a tiny drone inspired by the aerodynamics of a maple seed that could fly around inside buildings.

As drones proliferate for commercial and other private uses, it is foolish to expect law enforcement to forgo them. Already, the Border Patrol uses drones down at the border. One day we will marvel that there was a time when a police drone wasn’t first on the scene of a shooting. Or a time when we had high-speed car chases, endangering everyone else on the road, instead of a drone following the suspect from the air.

Ultimately, it is not the technology that matters, but the use to which it is put. A can of pepper spray is technologically unsophisticated. Yet it can be an instrument of cruelty if wielded arbitrarily by a cop. The drone is potentially a powerful tool. Vigilance is advisable; panic is silly.
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  • john Kills 2012/07/10 04:05:52
    john Kills
    Shoot 'em down
  • Marlene Wilkins 2012/07/09 09:45:10
    Marlene Wilkins
    Like any technology, appropriate laws, regulations and oversight MUST be implemented to ensure they're beneficial and NOT a threat to their own Citizenry, or that of friendly nations.
  • John Hall 2012/07/08 21:20:26
    John Hall
    Like I've said to my wife and friends if I see one of those drones hovering around my property it's coming down with a blast from a shotgun .
  • iamnothere John Hall 2012/07/08 22:20:33 (edited)
    they run them at 1000 feet and are the size of a poster board.. 2 x2 ft and most of that is just air small drone small drone
  • John Hall iamnothere 2012/07/09 00:07:58
    John Hall
    Unbelievable to be so small and see so much .
  • iamnothere John Hall 2012/07/09 11:15:03
    I was reading that the private sector (amature market) has machines to rival the military.. and Cheap read about it in one of my science today type magazines.
  • John Hall iamnothere 2012/07/09 16:03:46
    John Hall
    kinda of scary knowing we have drones this small that can spy on you.
  • iamnothere John Hall 2012/07/09 23:01:10
    and at 1000 ft you had better have a powerful gun and amazing aim
  • John Hall iamnothere 2012/07/10 00:02:40
    John Hall
    Well sh|t there safe .
  • john Kills iamnothere 2012/07/10 04:08:21
    john Kills
    300 yards is nothing for a deer rifle.
  • iamnothere john Kills 2012/07/10 11:05:01
    if you miss someone might get hit by falling bullets.. and that is a long shot up in the air to hit a 3 inch target
  • john Kills iamnothere 2012/07/10 13:11:03
    john Kills
    I would never seriously suggest shooting at one for the very reason you suggest. I can shoot 5 shot, 1 inch groups off the bench at 300 yards with my 300 win mag and 180 gran sierras match kings loaded with IMR 3841. I can shoot 2 inch or under with my 7mm rem mag with 140 grain gamekings and IMR 4831 or reloader 19. Shooting off a bench is a lot different than shooting offhand and into the air. Just pointing out that it is possible. There are more prior military snipers who are now civilians than there are in the military. There are way many more prior military trained persons than there is active duty.
  • iamnothere john Kills 2012/07/11 14:59:16
    yup.. as cheap as these things are.. there will be a lot more of them than there are people actually interested in shooting them LOL plus whatever goes up does come down.. and we sure dont need accidental problems with shot coming back to earth
  • john Kills iamnothere 2012/07/10 13:14:03
    john Kills
    The bullet would come down and hit somewhere without a doubt. That target would not stop a bullet.
  • Freeranger 2012/07/08 20:08:26
    I think they make total sense patrolling the border. Other than that, as for invading MY space and spying on citizens, whether it's a commercial or government drone I'd say that this sounds like the perfect new sport......."drone skeet."
  • true american 2012/07/08 19:00:22
    true american
    Violate my air space (IE..) my home ,and you can come get the scrap pile when I am done.
  • Red_Horse 2012/07/08 17:27:34
  • iamnothere Red_Horse 2012/07/08 18:15:41
  • Red_Horse iamnothere 2012/07/08 18:17:15
  • D D 2012/07/08 17:11:07
    D D
    These drones are not good for the citizenry. It violates 4th Amendment rights. People will say they are "law abiding citizens and so it is all good" . I do not break laws, I have never been arrested but who are the gov watching ?

    Americans who believe their “way of life” is under attack;

    Americans who are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”;

    People who consider themselves “anti-global” (presumably those who are wary of the loss of American sovereignty);

    Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”;

    Americans who are “reverent of individual liberty”;

    People who “believe in threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.”

    People who display bumper stickers, people who own gold, or even people who fly a U.S. flag (2009 MIAC report)

    The bulk purchase of food is labeled as a potential indication of terrorist activity, as is using cash to pay for a cup of coffee. See all FBI flyers here and see if you fit into to any of their guides of who is to be watched: http://publicintelligence.net...

  • Marlene... D D 2012/07/09 09:38:24
    Marlene Wilkins
    Excellent points.
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2012/07/08 17:08:30
    How long before we have some major airplane accidents that are related to drone collisions (but then would that info ever be released)?
  • Bingo's Faddah 2012/07/08 16:21:31
    Bingo's Faddah
    The American government has been watching it's citizens for decades. Now, with your Patriot Acts, it's the national pass time!

    person of interest

    The real question is: What will Americans do about it? Perhaps hold a government sponsored rally?

    patriot acts national pass real americans hold government sponsored rally
  • SK-pro impeachment 2012/07/08 16:02:58
    SK-pro impeachment
    Drone eliminator:
    surface to air missle launcher
    My other vehicle is a Chevy Truck. LOL
  • Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥ 2012/07/08 15:33:06
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    So this is why they don't want us to have guns.

    Don't they realize the bad guys will still shoot them on sight?
  • Marlene... Dave Sa... 2012/07/09 09:42:25
    Marlene Wilkins
    You'd be amazed at what 'hobby' level equipment can do with some relatively minor tweaks and mods....
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/07/08 15:13:23
  • Marlene... mk, Sma... 2012/07/09 09:43:14
    Marlene Wilkins
    Yes, BB is watching...
    ...and Being Watched in kind.
  • Ken 2012/07/08 15:08:33
    Time to drone them.

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