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NYU to Offer Two 'Occupy Wall Street' Classes: Too Soon?

SodaHead News 2011/12/12 07:08:47
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Despite being only a few months old and (perhaps) far from dying out, the “Occupy” movement will soon be the subject of two NYU courses.

One, which will be taught next semester by the Department of Social and Cultural Analysis’ Lisa Duggan, is an undergraduate course titled “Cultures and Economies: Why Occupy Wall Street?”

The beginning of the course description reads: “The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations are catching on across the United States, linking with popular discontent with economic inequality and financial greed and malfeasance around the globe. This course is designed to provide a background for these momentous events.”

A graduate-level course on OWS will be taught by Jeff Goodwin.

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In some ways NYU is a fitting place to study the “Occupy” movement, as it is located only two miles from the Zucotti Park protest site.

However, at the same time, NYU’s $42,000 per year price tag means that the students are likely to be of two types: 1) members of the %1—the very subjects of many “Occupy” protests; or, 2) members of the 99% who may graduate from NYU saddled with loans and unable to find jobs. Should make for some interesting class discussions!

Nevertheless, we think it’s far too soon to be offering college courses on the “Occupy” movement.

What do you think?

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  • Fef 2011/12/12 07:34:33
    Yes
    Fef
    +20
    Unless the classes want to teach how not to protest....

    We need to wait and see how the OWS 'movement' (or bowel movement) shapes up. So far it looks like a bunch of whiny, kooks who feel entitled to everything, including a time machine to take them back to the 1970s.

    #OWS has no clear message. Their meandering list of demands shows their clear lack of understanding of American economy, individual liberty and freedom.

    If they didn't like Wall Street receiving taxpayer money from Washington DC, they should camp out in front of the White House, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. They should demand the resignation of those who bailed out GM, Goldman-Sachs, AIG, etc...

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  • SmithBandit 2011/12/15 21:29:15
    Yes
    SmithBandit
    but the time is never right to give those loonies attention
  • cybernestical 2011/12/14 17:27:05
    Undecided
    cybernestical
    It's early to get into a conclusion. Only the time will tell us how is going to be the course,
    This is just the begining.
  • Bill 2011/12/14 16:37:31
    Undecided
    Bill
    Never is too soon. I heard those college students saying how they had degrees and couldn't find a job and had to pay back their student loans. What I didn't hear was any one of them say, "I have a degree in 1) Physics, or 2) Engineering, or 3) Software Engineering, or 4) Geology, or 5) Mathematics, or etcetera. What I did hear was stuff like: Womyns Studies, Black Womyns Studies, Marxist Feminism, The Fine Arts from a Marxist Perspective, Filmography and Theater. You know, loser stuff that third-graders would find uninteresting and absolutely no one is looking to hire for (except perhaps McDonald's...and leave your resume' in your apron locker.) Get the CORRECT education to find the places that will hire you at a good salary...I DID.
  • voice_matters 2011/12/14 15:51:39
    Undecided
    voice_matters
    Haven't colleges been teaching this for years already?
    Shouldn't the singes they hold at these protest say "we are the 47%". seeing they pay nothing in taxes, they do not have the right to talk for the 53% of us that do pay taxes
  • PapaBC 2011/12/14 15:48:25
    Yes
    PapaBC
    To OCCUPY...What is righ? $100K, $200K, $80K, $1M
  • Tasine 2011/12/14 15:40:18
    Undecided
    Tasine
    Primarily it is a silly, infantile, "grab the moment" thing for an irresponsible University to pull, but not unexpected. This will probably be like the basket weaving classes with just as much learned. No wonder grads with degrees can't find work.
  • wicked soda boy 2011/12/14 14:18:46
    Yes
    wicked soda boy
    +2
    It sounds to me more like they (NYU Administration) are trying to promote the movement.
    Anyone surprised by their move, considering who they are?
  • DS in Oak Ridge NC 2011/12/14 13:49:18
    Yes
    DS in Oak Ridge NC
    +2
    Too soon, too dumb for words, and to be an honest reflection on the subject matter, there will be no Course Syllabus, Tests, Specific Details or Arguments for or against... just a satisfying muddle of emotions, anger, vague threats, and acting out against taxpayers.
  • Rob 2011/12/14 13:04:53
    Yes
    Rob
    +2
    hyp·o·crit·i·cal
      [hip-uh-krit-i-kuhl] Show IPA

    adjective
    1.
    of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess: The parent who has a “do what I say and not what I do” attitude can appear hypocritical to a child.
  • T Bevan 2011/12/14 13:04:24
    Undecided
    T Bevan
    +2
    A class on OWS?

    You gonna teach them that Wall street may have bad guys , but those that can be bought are the real bad guys??

    franks dodd fannie mae
  • teigan 2011/12/14 07:43:53
    Undecided
    teigan
    +3
    Haven't liberal colleges done enough damage to the minds of these so call 99%. Please how much will they milk students for this stupid class?
  • Arianne 2011/12/14 06:14:25
    Yes
    Arianne
    +2
    How about we wait until the movement ends and its consequences shown, after all thats what the bulk of the course should be about right?
  • Steven 2011/12/14 04:46:10
    Yes
    Steven
    +1
    It is a big movement is it not? And a noticable part of history. While i dont necessarily agree with the "Occupiers" they've done a good job of spreading the concept all overthe globe.
  • Tasine Steven 2011/12/14 15:43:48
    Tasine
    Not the American "occupiers". The movement had its concept and initial actions in Europe. The left here merely grabbed it and ran with it. Nothing new. Nothing gained. Not surprising NYU plans to milk it for all it's worth, which isn't much as we don't know enough about it and it is going to be taught on a false premise. That's MY take on it.
  • Steven Tasine 2011/12/14 20:29:06
    Steven
    Well like I said, there are events in history that barely gained anything either but its still history. My one question is is it teaching them about it or encouraging them to support it or what?
  • Tasine Steven 2011/12/14 22:38:31
    Tasine
    I always expect the worse case scenario when it comes to government and/or the left, and OWS is a leftist toy.
  • shadow76 2011/12/14 04:23:48
    Yes
    shadow76
    +1
    ever would be too soon!
  • debrarae 2011/12/14 03:51:16
    Yes
    debrarae
    +3
    So it will be a 'class' on how to use terrified babies as human shields, taunting little kids on the way to school, screaming obscenities at Jews, and pushing old women down the stairs.

    Wow, how classy!



















    I know which college I won't allow my children (with their high (145 IQs) to attend!
  • fascination 2011/12/14 03:27:58
    No
    fascination
    +2
    In political science classes, you don't just study theory and history, you observe current events. While we can't know how successful the movement will be for years, probably, we can still watch the progress. It can teach us a lot about the global economy, social movements in general... and it's a very interesting case study. It can provide information while in progress.
  • Tasine fascina... 2011/12/14 15:45:48
    Tasine
    So could have the TEA Party - but it didn't fit the agenda of the left ergo won't be
    "studied".
  • fascina... Tasine 2011/12/15 19:38:47
    fascination
    Actually, I have also studied the Tea Party in classes, but it seems like it's making less of an impact than the "occupy" movement. The tea party is a far-right political party, while the occupy movement might be the beginning of a global revolution.
  • Briggsy 2011/12/14 03:10:48 (edited)
    No
    Briggsy
    +1
    It’s been truly fascinating to watch what’s happened in only three-months time.

    Occupy Wall Street is an egalitarian movement, so there are numerous causes being supported/represented, but there ARE fundamental basics:
    1) Wealth and its associated power are now concentrated in such a small segment of population that over 99% of American citizens have been disenfranchised, both economically and politically.
    2) That wealth and power are being used to purchase politicians (that is, their votes). Our voices (mine and yours) are no longer represented in America’s ‘representative democracy’ …only those of the wealthy and powerful (both individuals and corporations) are being heard.

    I happen to believe the two points above do have to be dealt with in order to secure a democratic future for America. Right now, there is a de facto plutocracy in place. Plutocracy and democracy can’t co-exist. The normal political route won’t work to correct the problem; we have to try something different.

    The movement started in a very unique way that captured the imaginations of people all around the globe. It’s had some difficulties, yes …it must evolve, and it is doing that. In fact, it seems to be thriving on evolution. If we aren’t successful at making the necessary changes, the destruction o...





    It’s been truly fascinating to watch what’s happened in only three-months time.

    Occupy Wall Street is an egalitarian movement, so there are numerous causes being supported/represented, but there ARE fundamental basics:
    1) Wealth and its associated power are now concentrated in such a small segment of population that over 99% of American citizens have been disenfranchised, both economically and politically.
    2) That wealth and power are being used to purchase politicians (that is, their votes). Our voices (mine and yours) are no longer represented in America’s ‘representative democracy’ …only those of the wealthy and powerful (both individuals and corporations) are being heard.

    I happen to believe the two points above do have to be dealt with in order to secure a democratic future for America. Right now, there is a de facto plutocracy in place. Plutocracy and democracy can’t co-exist. The normal political route won’t work to correct the problem; we have to try something different.

    The movement started in a very unique way that captured the imaginations of people all around the globe. It’s had some difficulties, yes …it must evolve, and it is doing that. In fact, it seems to be thriving on evolution. If we aren’t successful at making the necessary changes, the destruction of democracy will continue, whether there’s a Democrat or Republican in the White House. The problem is far greater than who’s sitting at that desk in the Oval Office.

    If you get a chance to watch this, you should. It’s not OWS propaganda ...the lecture was given over a year ago. The timer indicates two hours, but it actually only takes 68 minutes to get through the lecture portion. This is from Boston University, the first lecture from the 2010 Howard Zinn Memorial Lecture Series. I highly recommend it from the perspective of understanding.

    http://www.bu.edu/buniverse/v...

    There’s nothing wrong with understanding, even if you end up disagreeing. In fact, there’s nothing wrong with disagreement. If somebody out there has a better idea at correcting the problem, I wouldn't be the only one who'd love to hear it.
    (more)
  • Tasine Briggsy 2011/12/15 19:56:08
    Tasine
    Bill Moyers?! He is so left, he is backwards. He is especially good at lying. Have known of him for years and years. If anything he has become more left as every day passes. The LAST person I would ever pay any attention to is Bill Moyers. Did I listen to the vid? No, no need to. I know how he thinks - and that's enough for me.

    Oh, I've written my proposals any number of times here on SH - and they seem to scare the hell out of people. I refuse to go through all that again, but my way would eliminate national politicians and campaigns and lobbyists. My way would cost a LOT less than what we fund now and the people would be freer and that freedom would be assured by setting up a system with more checks and balances than we now have and would not be socialist, communist, oligarchy, or any other known government, at least none that I know of. It could not be overthrown. Victimless crimes would not be punishable by imprisonment. Horrendous crimes would be meticulously investigated, tried, and when found guilty would get a sentence that fits the crime.

    Anyone who wants to know more, simply PM me.
  • Briggsy Tasine 2011/12/17 04:01:47
    Briggsy
    +1
    Two problems with your response:

    1) Presuming to know what someone thinks and being unwilling to listen. Everybody wants to talk and nobody wants to listen (i.e., LEARN). Moyers makes some valid points, which are well backed up. You don’t have to agree, but consideration is a part of learning. Much as you may not believe it (or like it), you don’t know everything and you never will. You stop learning when you stop listening.

    2) I don’t know how much time you’ve spent blogging, but if it’s been more than an hour (cumulative), you should have figured out that 99% of bloggers aren’t the least bit interested in truly considering somebody else's opinion (unless it's an exact match to their own). They’re interested in one thing …insistence that they are correct, even when all the facts are contrary to their opinion. Vicious cycle, eh? Too bad you’re part of it.

    If you’re presenting an idea on a blog, you should expect exactly what you are personally willing to do. Why do you expect from others what you won’t do yourself? Seems a bit daft to me.

    Good luck with your ideas …they won’t do anybody any good on a blogging site.
  • Tasine Briggsy 2011/12/17 16:03:31
    Tasine
    I was around for the Cold War. You weren't. I was around for Viet Nam. You weren't. I was around when Bill Moyers was tinkering around with our government as press secretary for President Lyndon Johnson in the '60's. You weren't. I suspect I know a hell of a lot more about Bill Moyers than you will ever know, and I don't like him even a teensy bit. He can teach me nothing. He can teach young people like you a LOT, all bad, and mostly all socialism, but if that's your bag, go for it. At least I know why you blog.
  • Briggsy Tasine 2011/12/18 05:56:16
    Briggsy
    +1
    Won’t watch/listen to the lecture …fair enough, but that really does leave you at a disadvantage regarding a discussion of the issues presented. I suppose my point was that you shouldn’t expect others to consider your points of view (i.e., your theory on ‘correcting’ American society) if you’re not willing to give them the same courtesy. There’s a word for that (I’m sure you’re not unfamiliar with it.) …hypocrisy. It’s quite popular on blogging sites.

    And I’ll keep in mind that I can’t possibly know anything about events that occurred prior to my birth. I wish I’d known that at university; could have spent more time having sex. I’ll never get that back …that hurts.
  • Ace Tasine 2011/12/19 15:07:02
    Ace
    You know? Why does he blog?
  • ajracestables1 2011/12/14 03:09:25
    Undecided
    ajracestables1
    +1
    This occupy Wall Street is getting very old and the press and everyone else should not even give it any credit for anything. They are people causing trouble with no jobs and probably just mad that there is a possibility that one day they will probably be getting less welfare.
  • srini 2011/12/14 02:26:53
    Yes
    srini
    +2
    For teaching misbehaviour, even "the fifth of never" is way too soon!
  • Danale 2011/12/14 02:23:20
    Yes
    Danale
    +2
    Occupy the fact that there are too many people with too much time on their hands...I'm all for free speech not free handouts. A few make valid points but the rest are there to get something for nothing.
  • Larson Whipsnade 2011/12/14 01:49:03
    Yes
    Larson Whipsnade
    +2
    Gee- that aught to get these people jobs!
    "what did you learn in college?
    " I learned how to make cardboard signs and loiter on sidewalks, spouting Marxist rhetoric!"
    " You're HIRED!- Here's your mop!"
  • patriotwarriorz☆AFCL☆ 2011/12/14 01:28:14
  • Michaelene 2011/12/14 01:26:00
    Yes
    Michaelene
    +3
    Only a fool would pay 42k per yr for NYU, and only the 1% has this kind of money to waste on a stupid class like this.
  • cc 2011/12/14 01:13:49
    Yes
    cc
    +2
    Here's OWS 101
    1. get a permit
    2. have your march
    3. obey the law
    4. respect your fellow citizens
    5. clean up your mess
    6. go home
  • ruru 2011/12/14 00:40:45
    Undecided
    ruru
    My first thought is too stupid.
  • clasact 2011/12/13 23:55:22
    Undecided
    clasact
    +3
    someone should have given classes before they even started then maybe they would have known how to conduct themselfs and really get their message out
  • Cal 2011/12/13 23:48:18
    Yes
    Cal
    +4
    I don't see classes dedicated to other violent mobs. I don't see why OWS should have a class about them. What about the peaceful protests of the Tea Party, surely they've had enough of an impact for a class.
  • ruru Cal 2011/12/14 00:42:56
    ruru
    +1
    I like the way you think.
  • Tasine Cal 2011/12/14 15:47:55
    Tasine
    TEA Party doesn't fit into the left's agenda - will NEVER be used as an example.
  • Depsycho 2011/12/13 23:40:46
    Yes
    Depsycho
    +1
    Unless it's going to teach the students the RIGHT way to protest. :|

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