N.Y. Lawmaker Wants to Ban Smoking in the Car With Children: Good Call or Fascism?
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2011/06/15 11:00:00
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You see the signs in restaurants, in bars, in public parks, now they are trying to make New Yorkers stop smoking in cars with children under the age of 14. According to the New York Daily News, Assemblyman David Weprin said Sunday he'll push for new legislation that bans adults from smoking in cars carrying children younger than 14. If Weprin’s legislation – which has passed in similar forms in Maine, Louisiana, California and (if you can believe it) Arkansas – succeeds, violators could face a $100 fine for lighting up around anyone not old enough to shave.
Studies have, again and again, shown how dangerous secondhand smoke is, particularly for developing lungs. And, while many have the gall to ask a smoker to knock it off in an enclosed location (or the decency, if they are the smoker, not to light up), Weprin claims, “A child under the age of 14 is less likely to speak up.”
According to the Daily News, “The bill doesn't violate constitutional rights… If cops believe a driver is in violation, they can stop the vehicle and question the passengers’ ages.”
Next thing you know, they’re going to want us to stop at stop signs.
Studies have, again and again, shown how dangerous secondhand smoke is, particularly for developing lungs. And, while many have the gall to ask a smoker to knock it off in an enclosed location (or the decency, if they are the smoker, not to light up), Weprin claims, “A child under the age of 14 is less likely to speak up.”
According to the Daily News, “The bill doesn't violate constitutional rights… If cops believe a driver is in violation, they can stop the vehicle and question the passengers’ ages.”
Next thing you know, they’re going to want us to stop at stop signs.
Top Opinion
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bob h. 2011/06/15 12:44:53This is a violation of personal choice
+14It just shows how little lawmakers really have to do. We were in 37pl worldwide in health care before all this started, and now that over 80% have quit, we're still in 37th pl. Meanwhile we're bombarded with drug ads, that admit they cause death every way possible. Way to go.
Shootings, muggings, robberies and rapes are on the rise
BUT first we must stop those nasty smokers.
Andy
However,
Can you use an ammonia based cleanser to wipe the dash before you pull away from the curb with your kids in the car? Can you drive around your kids in a brand new off the showroom floor model that is exuding chemicals from all of the synthetics that make up the interior?
Should people smoke around children, who breathe in their secondhand smoke? Of course not. However, that is a personal choice. The way these state legislatures are going gangbusters after smokers lately, even banning smoking from outdoor places like beaches and parks, we'll all have to quit. One of these days, probably sooner rather than later, smokers will have to hide under the basement steps while puffing on a cowboy-killer, and hope like hell the neighbors don't turn them in to the Cigarette Police.
We know second hand smoke causes harm, especially in developing lungs. So there is clearly evidence that smoking in a small compartment with kids, harms the kids. If you intentionally harm kids, you are probably going to get in trouble. And it will probably be the right thing to do. For the same reason I cannot turn around and smack them once in a while because my hand itches.
Good call. I picked the wrong choice. Sorry!
So you think the gov't should decide for you what's best for your kids.
Should you get in trouble for locking your kids up in a hot car while you down shots at the bar? Should you leave your 3 year old at home alone while you go to the gym?
Why not? Who is the gubmint to tell you how you raise your kids, right?
/sarcasm
Your arguments make no sense. You, as an adult, have the freedom to sit in a hot car and smoke cigarettes all, day, long. Go ahead. Welcome to your freedom. However, when it comes to kids who largely do not have a voice, yes, we have to create laws to try and protect them. You can smoke all day long with your kids in the car as well. No one is stopping you. Just be prepared to pay for it in fines and sick kids.
you are smart enough to decide for yourself what's best for your kids not the gov't.
Really? We should remove all laws that protect kids? Great! I wonder how many votes you'll get running on that platform.
That's what's wrong with America today people refuse to accept personal responsibility
Accept the responsibility that if you smoke in a car with your kids, you are harming them (without question, not ambiguous, not up for debate, etc...). Our society fro...
Should you get in trouble for locking your kids up in a hot car while you down shots at the bar? Should you leave your 3 year old at home alone while you go to the gym?
Why not? Who is the gubmint to tell you how you raise your kids, right?
/sarcasm
Your arguments make no sense. You, as an adult, have the freedom to sit in a hot car and smoke cigarettes all, day, long. Go ahead. Welcome to your freedom. However, when it comes to kids who largely do not have a voice, yes, we have to create laws to try and protect them. You can smoke all day long with your kids in the car as well. No one is stopping you. Just be prepared to pay for it in fines and sick kids.
Really? We should remove all laws that protect kids? Great! I wonder how many votes you'll get running on that platform.
Accept the responsibility that if you smoke in a car with your kids, you are harming them (without question, not ambiguous, not up for debate, etc...). Our society frowns upon parents that harm their kids. Kids that aren't going to speak for themselves. Always have. Why in the world would you want to change that. Suggesting this is some larger issue with government intrusion is way, way off base. Not even close. Sorry.
Conclusions: (keep in mind, I can fill up SodaHead with the research papers on this, but many are listed at the bottom of that PDF)
Lower Respiratory Illnesses in Infancy and Early Childhood
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between secondhand smoke exposure from parental smoking and lower respiratory illnesses in infants and children.
-The increased risk for lower respiratory illnesses is greatest from smoking by the mother.
Middle Ear Disease
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and middle ear disease in children, including acute and recurrent otitis media and chronic middle ear effusion.
-The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and the natural history of middle ear effusion.
Respiratory Symptoms and Prevalent Asthma in School-Age Children
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and cough, phlegm, wheeze, and breathlessness among children of school age.
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and ever having asthma among children of school age.
Childhood Asthma Onset
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between sec...
Conclusions: (keep in mind, I can fill up SodaHead with the research papers on this, but many are listed at the bottom of that PDF)
Lower Respiratory Illnesses in Infancy and Early Childhood
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between secondhand smoke exposure from parental smoking and lower respiratory illnesses in infants and children.
-The increased risk for lower respiratory illnesses is greatest from smoking by the mother.
Middle Ear Disease
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and middle ear disease in children, including acute and recurrent otitis media and chronic middle ear effusion.
-The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and the natural history of middle ear effusion.
Respiratory Symptoms and Prevalent Asthma in School-Age Children
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and cough, phlegm, wheeze, and breathlessness among children of school age.
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and ever having asthma among children of school age.
Childhood Asthma Onset
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between secondhand smoke exposure from parental smoking and the onset of wheeze illnesses in early childhood.
-The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship between secondhand smoke exposure from parental smoking and the onset of childhood asthma.
Atopy
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between maternal smoking during pregnancy and persistent adverse effects on lung function across childhood.
-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke after birth and a lower level of lung function during childhood.
I don't even smoke in the car if my cat is with me, and I never smoke in the house where my cat is. I step outside on the porch to have a smoke. I choose to smoke, but other people and my cat don't, so I respect others by not smoking around them.
I only smoke about 3 or 4 cigarettes a day anyway, but I do not want to be responsible for others health problems. So I smoke away from everyone.
What's that supposed to mean "stop lying".????????????
Take a hike dumbass!!!!!!!!
But when people are going to be blatantly ignorant and smoke in their cars with the windows rolled up, with a baby in the front car seat (and i have seen this and other morons doing it), then we need to stop it!
To just ignore it and hope for the best for that child that has no choice in the situation because of peoples rights to expose their children to whatever harm.
Children arn't possessions like dolls are.
And when people start treating real live children like possessions it's time to put a stop to it.
Because they are real, living, breathing human beings.
Some people can't be trusted to do the right thing.
And unless your planning on doint it, why do you care.
Or are you of the mindset that no matter what someone does, it's their right to do so without government telling them it's a violation of someone elses rights.
Or don't you believe others have rights like you do??????
Are you saying only people like you should have the right to give their kids cancer???
Some incidents require rules if everyone is to have the same rights.
Thats how america got from the wild west to todays society, rules everyone must follow in order for society to be safe for everyone.
And we have rules because not everyone is going to do the right thing.
And those people who don't will be punished.
That's how it works !!!!
LIKE A BOSS
But your kids shouldn't be a captive audience to the journey.
Unfortunately, any dumb-ass can have a kid.
Our liberal government specializes in taking care of / coddling / subsidizing dumb-asses.