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NumbersUSA re-AFFIRMS reasons for giving Ron Paul an "F" failing grade on illegal immigration. Is there any doubt in your mind now that Ron Paul is a RINO?

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In response to outcries from Ron Paul supporters, NumbersUSA president Roy Beck today clarified in-depth WHY Ron Paul deserved the failing grade he got from them.



NumbersUSA is a staunch CONSERVATIVE group. And any true Conservative would be strongly OPPOSED to illegal aliens.



Ron Paul supporters can call Ron Paul a true Conservative, if they want to tell lies like Obama does. But, as the old saying goes,



"If you call yourself an eagle, yet have feathers like a duck, feet like a duck, a bill like a duck, and quack like a duck, some folks are bound to 'mistake' you for a duck."



Ron Paul has proven beyond reasonable doubt that he is a RINO when it comes to illegal immigration.



That should not come as much surprise, since Ron Paul has already endorsed the Ground Zero mosque, under the pretext that it is protected by the 1st Amendment.


But, since Islam itself is antithetical to FREEDOMS under our Constitution, the hypocrisy of supporting that which represents an affront against Libertarian values is self-evident.



So too no one claiming to uphold our Constitution and our nation's sovereignty would get a failing grade when it comes to illegal immigration.



Here's the full report from NumbersUSA:



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Ron Paul Wrote The Book To Show How He Would Handle Issues As President (we didn't make up his quotes)


By Roy Beck, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 3:02 PM EDT - posted on NumbersUSA



Some of our best friends have suggested to me that my blog and email on Ron Paul's immigration statements in his new book seemed a little too aggressive and that maybe I should have allowed Dr. Paul a chance to improve on his statements before downgrading his Presidential Hopefuls' immigration grade to an "F."


And some Paul supporters have been furious with me, accusing me of distortion, lies and conspiracy.


I am sorry that I conveyed the impression to some that I was out to punish Rep. Paul or that I would not be happy to have him "clarify" and "revise" the stances he takes in his book. So, here we go . . .


This blog will highlight direct quotes from Congressman Ron Paul's new book, Liberty Defined.


We didn't write these quotes. We aren't paraphrasing them. This is what Dr. Paul wrote. He wanted the book published and released to the public now to showcase his policy views -- including the ones he wrote about immigration.


MOST PAUL SUPPORTERS SEE BOOK AS REASON TO PRESS PAUL TO MODIFY HIS IMMIGRATION POSITIONS


First, though, I want to emphasize that most Ron Paul supporters have reacted like the supporters of other Hopefuls who have earned low immigration grades; they have expressed disappointment with their candidate and pledged to work to get the candidate to do better.


Below, you will see a snapshot of our entire Presidential Grades Grid. You will see that most Hopefuls have awful grades. I can assure you that we do everything we can to grade each Hopeful by the same standards. And our desire is to see each one of them improve his/her grade.


We know that Americans support political candidates for all kinds of reasons. We want them to know the true immigration stances of the candidates they like best so they can work to influence their favorite candidate to take better immigration actions.


AMNESTY? OPPOSES THE WORD BUT SUPPORTS MAJOR LEGALIZATION


Rep. Paul repeatedly says in public that he opposes "amnesty." So, how can we rate him as BAD on "Amnesty/Legalization" for illegal aliens?


The problem is that saying you oppose amnesty doesn't mean you oppose letting illegal aliens remain in the U.S. and hold U.S. jobs.


Nearly all the major supporters of mass amnesty -- Pres. Obama, former Pres. Bush, Sen. Reid -- say they oppose "amnesty." You have to ask for more details.


In his new book, Ron Paul indicates that he doesn't think the goal for most illegal aliens should be that they go back home:


. . . sending twelve to fifteen million illegals home... isn't going to happen. Neither the determination or the ability to accomplish it exists. Besides, if each case is looked at separately, we would find ourselves splitting up families and deporting some who have lived here for decades, if not their entire life, and who never lived for any length of time in Mexico. This would hardly be a Good Samaritan approach to the problem. It would be incompatible with human rights."


-- Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Page 153.


Paul provides further disconcerting details about what he considers amnesty and what he doesn't consider amnesty:


. . . immigrants that can't be sent back due to the magnitude of the problem should not be given citizenship -- no amnesty should be granted. Maybe a 'green card' with an asterisk should be issued.... It could be argued that [this system[ may well allow some immigrants who come here illegally a beneficial status without automatic citizenship or tax-supported benefits -- a much better option than deportation.


-- Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Page 156.


We could perhaps say that Dr. Paul favors an "amnesty with an asterisk." Many people who have criticized our grading of Paul have noted that he would take away all taxpayer-supported benefits from illegal aliens and the right to ever be citizens.


But illegal aliens with the asterisk would still get the two things they want far more than citizenship and welfare. They would get to live in the U.S. and to keep their U.S. jobs. And millions of unemployed Americans looking for jobs in those occupations would remain unemployed.


Because Paul limits his amnesty somewhat by denying illegal aliens citizenship and welfare benefits and because he has rarely voted for an amnesty in the past, we spare him an ABYSMAL rating on "Amnesty/Legalization."


WHY A PRESIDENTIAL RATING IS DIFFERENT FROM A CONGRESSIONAL ONE


The spirited dialogue over this has contained strong disagreement with the BAD rating we give Dr. Paul because our CONGRESSIONAL Report Cards give him a Career grade of "A-minus" on amnesty.


How can somebody with an A-minus career grade on amnesty be rated BAD as a Presidential Hopeful?


The answer is that we grade Hopefuls differently than Members of Congress. Our congressional Report Cards are based entirely on actions and never on promises or statements.


But when a person runs for President, that person begins to tell us what he/she would do with the special powers invested in that office. Past actions count, but we have to also consider what they say they prefer.


We believe that when a past and potential Presidential candidate publishes a book in the early part of the campaign season, he/she intends for people to get a view of what he/she would do in the White House.


Dr. Paul's new book suggests to us that he has voted against most amnesties in the past because they weren't narrow enough (didn't deny welfare and voting rights). We know that he DID vote three different years for a smaller and narrower amnesty known as the 245(i) amnesty. You will find these votes in his Report Card.


END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP? GOOD


In his new book and in other public venues, Congressman Paul has stated that:


(The United States should) not grant automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants born in the United States, deliberately or accidentally.


-- Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Page 155.


Five times, Paul has co-sponsored legislation to end this practice.


However, he has refrained from co-sponsoring any of the bills offered on this since 2006. Our rating rules prohibit us from granting an EXCELLENT to a sitting Member of Congress if he/she has failed to support current legislation that would carry out his/her publicly stated preference.


MANDATE E-VERIFY? BAD


Some attacks on me have contended that I downgraded Dr. Paul because he wouldn't go along with my SUPPOSED insistence on a national ID card. But NumbersUSA has never advocated a national ID card.


More criticism of our grading has been that our overall grade is based mainly on E-Verify. In fact, though, it is only 1/12th of the weight in our overall grade.


Nonetheless, Rep. Paul appears to be in substantial opposition to the majority of the Members of his Party about the necessity of turning off the jobs magnet at the workplace in order to stop illegal immigration and cause current illegal aliens to go home.


Dr. Paul has never co-sponsored a bill mandating E-Verify.


He philosophically opposes having businesses involved in keeping illegal foreign workers from getting jobs.


And in his book, he says:


(We shouldn't) punish third parties for not being keen to act as law enforcement agents in regard to illegal immigration. Blaming American employers and fining them for hiring an individual, directly or indirectly, possibly with a counterfeit identification, strikes me as a compulsory servitude not permitted under the Constitution. Determining who is legal or not is a police and court function, not a responsibility of private business."


-- Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Page 155.


REDUCE OVERALL IMMIGRATION? FAVORS HIGHER IMMIGRATION


Rep. Paul has never indicated there is any problem with the federal government using immigration policy to drive the largest population explosion in U.S. history. He generally supports increasing immigration as high as businesses might want it to go, although he seems to prefer temporary over permanent immigration. But his actions in Congress tend to be less geared toward increasing immigration than his pronouncements, saving him from an Abysmal rating.


In his new, Rep. Paul notes that:


. . . (if government-mandated free services and the government-created unemployed crisis were) fixed, (then the resulting) free and prosperous economy (would look for labor and) immigrant workers would be needed and welcomed. This need could be managed by a generous guest worker program. . . . (We should) restore our economy to a healthy free market with sound money and eliminate deficit-financed government. A vibrant economy will minimize the problems and produce a high demand for both domestic and immigrant labor . . . with free markets and private property, a need for immigrant labor becomes obvious. Make it easy and legal with a generous visitor worker program.


-- Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Pages 153-154.


It seems pretty clear that Rep. Paul regards more and more immigrant labor and the resulting population growth to be a goal to pursue.


ENDING CHAIN MIGRATION & THE LOTTERY? UNHELPFUL


While these two categories engorge the lines of foreign workers competing with unemployed Americans for jobs each year, Rep. Paul has never done anything to limit chain migration and has done nothing since 2004 to stop the lottery.


He doesn't discuss the categories in his book.


LIMIT FOREIGN WORKER COMPETITION? ENERGETIC FOREIGN WORKERS OUT-COMPETE UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS


As can be ascertained in quotes above and below, Rep. Paul espouses a largely unfettered business philosophy of allowing employers to import far more foreign labor than they do now. And he does so even in the midst of 22 million Americans currently unable to find a full-time job.


Rep. Paul states in his new book that


. . .many claim that illegal immigrants take American jobs. This is true, but most of the jobs they 'take' are the ones unemployed Americans refuse at the wage offered. Rarely is this even minimum wage; it's usually higher. . . . (most immigrants) have a work ethic superior to many of our own citizens."


-- Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Page 154.


SECURE BORDERS & FENCE? MIXED SIGNALS


Rep. Paul talks about the need for border security and supports more Border Patrol and rights for border land owners to protect themselves. But he has consistently voted against other tougher measures to secure the border such as building a fence and using the military.


His career record in Congress earns a C-minus on his NumbersUSA grade on Borders. Only one Republican in Congress has a worse grade.


Overall, we rate him UNHELPFUL on the borders issue, but you readers may find some evidence for us that his promises are better than his past actions.


IMPLEMENT ENTRY/EXIT? BAD


Although several years ago he voted for an amendment that would have implemented the Entry/Exit system so that we can keep track of visitors, his new book expresses opposition to requring U.S. citizens to go through the same procedures when leaving and entering the country. But the only way to ensure that foreign citizens leave when they are supposed to -- and are entered into our system when they come into the country -- is to require all travelers to be checked in and out.


In his book, Rep. Paul expresses his consternation with efforts to control border traffic:


Another concern I have with the immigration issue is that the strong border protection proponents are as interested in regulating our right to freely exit the country as they are in preventing illegal entry. No longer can we travel even to Canada or Mexico without a U.S. passport. Our government keeps tabs on our every move, which involves a lot more than looking for drug dealers, illegal immigrants, or stopping a potential terrorist.... A tight border policy to keep certain people out is one thing, but tight border control to limit our ability to leave when we please is something else.


-- Source: Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Pages 157-158.


The limitation on Americans leaving the country would merely be that they have to have documentation that can prove they belong in the U.S. when they try to get back in. Most people who travel internationally are quite comfortable with carrying proper identification. It seems a small price to pay for the ability to prevent millions of unauthorized people from coming into the country.


SUPPORT LOCAL ENFORCEMENT? UNHELPFUL


In his new book, Rep. Paul expresses support for local enforcement of immigration laws while stopping short of supporting Arizona's interior enforcement law, SB 1070. He says,


. . . permit states to enforce [immigration] laws (but) Arizona-type immigration legislation can turn out to be harmful. Being able to stop any American citizen under the vague charge of 'suspicion' is dangerous.


Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Pages 155, 158.


PUNISH BUSINESS VIOLATORS? ABYSMAL


In his new book, Rep. Paul says,


(We shouldn't) punish third parties for not being keen to act as law enforcement agents in regard to illegal immigration. Blaming American employers and fining them for hiring an individual, directly or indirectly, possibly with a counterfeit identification, strikes me as a compulsory servitude not permitted under the Constitution. Determining who is legal or not is a police and court function, not a responsibility of private business.


-- Source: Paul, Ron. Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect our Freedom. New York: Grand Central Publishing, 2011. Page 155.


EVERY CANDIDATE IS RATED & GRADED WITH THE SAME TOUGH STANDARDS


What every supporter of Obama, Paul, Gingrich, Trump, Palin, Romney, Huckabee, Cain, Pawlenty and Bachmann has to keep in mind is that however tough we are on your favorite candidate, we use the same criteria for all.


We grade immigration stances as if millions of Americans' well-being depends on politicians who will act boldly. We know that platitudes about "securing the border" and "opposing amnesty" and "fixing the immigration system" mean exactly nothing in and of themselves.


Our pledge to all Americans is that we will track down the specifics that will tell you what you really can expect out of a candidate.


The grid below rates all the politicians both (1) who are expressing interest in running for President and (2) who have shown at least some ability to attract public support to make a showing in the Primaries.


If you have a favorite among this list (including Rep. Paul), you all have a lot of work to do to help them see that reducing immigration and the foreign-labor competition is something that deserves their detailed support.



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  • rob ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/11/21 13:50:23
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    rob ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +6
    when compared to the alternatives and the incumbent , even a caveman could see there is NO ONE BETTER !!! Ron Paul addresses all the issues i hear complained about from the people. if you still have doubts on who is the BEST for AMERICA
    ask yourself WHY do all the others on the debate stage REPACKAGE Ron Paul's
    idea's in an attempt to make them their own ?
    Give me the ORIGINAL not a poor reproduction !!!! fakes are just CHEAP imitations, poor Quality and no value.

    Straight from the horses mouth this shows the article for what it is a farce
    and part of the on going smear campaign against Ron Paul

    A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY

    A nation without borders is no nation at all.

    It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.

    Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.

    Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.

    Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protec...



























    when compared to the alternatives and the incumbent , even a caveman could see there is NO ONE BETTER !!! Ron Paul addresses all the issues i hear complained about from the people. if you still have doubts on who is the BEST for AMERICA
    ask yourself WHY do all the others on the debate stage REPACKAGE Ron Paul's
    idea's in an attempt to make them their own ?
    Give me the ORIGINAL not a poor reproduction !!!! fakes are just CHEAP imitations, poor Quality and no value.

    Straight from the horses mouth this shows the article for what it is a farce
    and part of the on going smear campaign against Ron Paul

    A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY

    A nation without borders is no nation at all.

    It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.

    Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.

    Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.

    Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protecting their citizens by refusing to comply with the unconstitutional REAL ID law.

    While the federal government neglects its constitutional responsibility to protect our borders, it continues to push mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care to illegal immigrants at a time when the states are drowning in debt. This must not be tolerated any longer.

    Like most Americans, Ron Paul also understands just how valuable legal immigration is to our country.

    Immigrants who want to work hard, obey our laws, and live the American Dream have always been great assets.
    COMMON SENSE REFORMS

    If elected President, Ron Paul will work to implement the following common sense reforms:

    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.

    * Protect Lawful Immigrants – As President, Ron Paul will encourage legal immigration by streamlining the entry process without rewarding lawbreakers.

    As long as our borders remain wide open, the security and safety of the American people are at stake.

    As President, Ron Paul will address immigration by fighting for effective solutions that protect our nation, uphold the rule of law, and respect every American citizen’s civil liberties.

    this came verbatim from Ron's site
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/th...

    NumbersUSA has shown us why to forever more question the legitimacy of anything they print
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  • Liberty 2012/01/06 20:02:57
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    Liberty
    I challenge anyone to explain to everyone how Ron Paul is "soft" - "woefully" or otherwise - on immigration. Let's hear it!

    What?

    You got nothin'? Thought so.
  • SK-pro impeachment 2012/01/02 21:38:11
    YES, Ron Paul is a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration.
    SK-pro impeachment
  • Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/01/02 21:24:22
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY

    A nation without borders is no nation at all.

    It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.

    Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.

    Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.

    Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protecting their citizens by refusing to comply with the unconstitutional REAL ID law.

    While the federal government neglects its constitutional responsibility to protect our borders, it continues to push mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care to illegal immigrants at a time when the states are drowning in debt. This must not be tolerated any longer.

    Like most Americans, Ron Paul also understands just how valuable legal immigration is to our country.

    Immigrants who want to work hard, obey our laws, and live the American Dream have always been great assets.

    COMMON SENSE REFORMS

    ...














    A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY

    A nation without borders is no nation at all.

    It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.

    Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.

    Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.

    Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protecting their citizens by refusing to comply with the unconstitutional REAL ID law.

    While the federal government neglects its constitutional responsibility to protect our borders, it continues to push mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care to illegal immigrants at a time when the states are drowning in debt. This must not be tolerated any longer.

    Like most Americans, Ron Paul also understands just how valuable legal immigration is to our country.

    Immigrants who want to work hard, obey our laws, and live the American Dream have always been great assets.

    COMMON SENSE REFORMS

    If elected President, Ron Paul will work to implement the following common sense reforms:

    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.

    * Protect Lawful Immigrants – As President, Ron Paul will encourage legal immigration by streamlining the entry process without rewarding lawbreakers.
    As long as our borders remain wide open, the security and safety of the American people are at stake.

    As President, Ron Paul will address immigration by fighting for effective solutions that protect our nation, uphold the rule of law, and respect every American citizen’s civil liberties.

    SOURCE: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/th...
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  • chaoskitty123 2011/12/10 06:11:13
  • matt 2011/12/02 08:20:29 (edited)
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    matt
    Stop putting so many spaces in these questions.. I have a hard time reading what you said. I wish we had some more choices for GOP.
  • tncdel matt 2011/12/14 23:34:29
    tncdel
    I have no control over that. It's a SodaHead programming glitch that spreads out the submitted info. I've complained to them many times over it. Still waiting for them to get their engineer to correct it.
  • Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/11/27 18:30:37
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    After seeing what Numbers USA is all about, (I've read that this group giving Ron an "F" was some sort of white nationalist organization)

    I would be more concerned if they gave Ron Paul a high mark.

    The founder had an MSM career and is actively involved with the UN.

    Anyone pushing this type of nonsense just isn't paying attention.
  • DDogbreath Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/27 19:24:55
    DDogbreath
    +3
    Anyone pushing this type of nonsense is using an "internal smoke screen"...

    blowing smoke  enema
  • Tony ☮ ... DDogbreath 2011/11/27 19:28:04
    Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    I'm certain this neocon OP is.
  • tncdel Tony ☮ ... 2011/12/14 23:40:46
    tncdel
    Although I never block anyone for mere difference of opinion, I have low tolerance for those who falsely try to defame my character because they had a hissy fit about the truth that was hateful to them. Bye.

    lkeke
  • morning... Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/27 19:41:35
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +2
    The same people who accuse Ron Paul of being a racist support this crap.
  • Tony ☮ ... morning... 2011/11/28 13:21:04
    Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    It's this type of non-thinking propaganda that proves that the biggest threat to freedom is the American electorate.
  • morning... Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/28 19:12:47
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +2
    Well, people have the choice to think or not. I believe it is obvious which route they've chosen. I'm not special, but I see through the crap. I truly think people find it easier not to think and are willing to accept whatever comes their way so long as they don't have to be responsible for it. It has always been just a few that buck the system and make a difference. People like you and I just happen to be on the other side of the few that are changing the world into a police state. The rest of the world depends on which side of the few wins.
  • Tony ☮ ... morning... 2011/11/28 22:13:22 (edited)
    Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Remember my friend the revolution was started by the minority.

    BTW you are special, you're on my friends list. LOL!

    [...]
  • morning... Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/28 22:32:11
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +1
    LOL Thanks!
  • tncdel Tony ☮ ... 2011/12/14 23:37:48
    tncdel
    Good try, trying to falsely slander NumbersUSA, but no cigar. Many black and Hispanic members among its almost two million membership. Further, NumbersUSA is about 180 degrees away from MSM one-world-government no-borders agendas.

    You fail
  • BK 2011/11/23 23:13:27 (edited)
    YES, Ron Paul is a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration.
    BK
    +2
    Of course Ron Paul is a RINO, but not for the F grade given to him for nonsensical reasons by NumbersUSA (We know, we just gave him and A- for this stuff and Paul hasn't voted any differently or changed his views in any way since we did that, but we obviously don't think that being consistent is a worthwhile thing, so...). He's a RINO because he's a Libertarian who is running as a Republican. He was a Libertarian back when he ran for President on their ticket back in 1988, and nothing, absolutely nothing, has changed about his beliefs since then. The Republicans don't particularly like him and they'd replace him if they thought they could get away with it. Paul isn't the problem, the Republicans who aren't like him are the problem with the Republican party.
  • Tasine 2011/11/23 13:49:55
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    Tasine
    +3
    I am not a Ron Paul supporter for several reasons, but neither do I stand 100% with Numbers USA. This statement alone makes me appreciate Ron Paul more than I did before reading this post: "(We shouldn't) punish third parties for not being keen to act as law enforcement agents in regard to illegal immigration. Blaming American employers and fining them for hiring an individual, directly or indirectly, possibly with a counterfeit identification, strikes me as a compulsory servitude not permitted under the Constitution. Determining who is legal or not is a police and court function, not a responsibility of private business."

    That has been my stance forever. I say punish the illegal to the fullest extent, but to force private individuals into unpaid servitude of doing the government's jobs for them is, in my view, totally and completely unconstitutional and should be abhored by everyone who lives by the Constitution. If private citizens can be forced by threat of punishment for not doing the government's job, then we can be forced by threat of punishment for not doing anything the government dictates we do. Ron Paul is exactly RIGHT on this one issue. This has nothing to do with softness on illegals - it has to do with how much power do we want to assign the government over private citizens who have committed no crime.
  • Tony ☮ ... Tasine 2011/11/27 18:32:48
    Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    I've read that this group giving Ron an "F" was some sort of white nationalist organization.
  • Tasine Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/27 18:45:33
    Tasine
    +4
    You could be right. I've no idea. The man isn't perfect. No one is. I don't love some of what he represents, but that is true of all the candidates. If we wait for perfection, we'll never have an election. I vote for honesty and freedom .......... and I think Ron Paul represents both.
  • Liberty Tasine 2012/01/06 20:37:05
    Liberty
    What RP issues do you feel he's wrong about? How can someone who doesn't form or advocate a policy unless it passes the Constitutionality test be 'wrong' about any issue the President would have the power or authority to act upon? Or are you talking about "social issues" - those wedge issues the government and the party duopoly use as their strongest weapon in defense of their corruption, using it to divert voters away from Constitutional issues and toward bickering about issues that the federal government has no authority to address one way or the other (like abortion, drugs, religion, etc.)?
  • Tasine Liberty 2012/01/06 22:44:59
    Tasine
    He has great love for the Constitution and for liberties - yet he apparently doesn't give a fig about the liberties of the fetus, which is a human life with the same potential as others. And he is quirky from time to time, and I believe he has been led to believe that lies led to Iraq. However, I would support him "merely" because he is a defender of personal liberty.
  • Prairie Wind 2011/11/23 11:49:11
    YES, Ron Paul is a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration.
    Prairie Wind
    Time to turn his water off!
  • Liberty Prairie... 2012/01/06 20:37:53
    Liberty
    +2
    ^^^ doesn't know what a RINO is ^^^
  • Prairie... Liberty 2012/01/06 21:15:32
    Prairie Wind
    He's one weird duck trying to cross the road and hasn't been smacked by a Peterbilt yet! The only think Paul will accomplish is putting Obama back in Washington D.C. public housing.
  • DDogbreath 2011/11/21 20:02:19
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    DDogbreath
    +4
    Wrong a RINO is for big government, big spending and minding everyone's business. You are MISINFORMED Ron Paul is not "woefully soft on illegal immigration". Using better research will help you post a "more accurate and less biased poll".

  • Tony ☮ ... DDogbreath 2011/11/27 18:33:35
    Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    I've read that this group giving Ron an "F" was some sort of white nationalist organization.
  • morning... Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/27 19:48:55
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +2
    I do believe you're right, Tony. Doing some checking on them right now and found something immediately, though, I'm sure I'll find more:

    http://www.splcenter.org/publ...
  • morning... Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/27 19:51:13
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +2
    LOL! You'll love this! That bastard, O'Reilly pushed it as a non-partisan organization.

    http://mediamatters.org/resea...
  • Tony ☮ ... morning... 2011/11/28 13:22:50
    Tony ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Are you really surprised that a jerk like 0'Reilly would support a group of white nationalist, racist creeps.
  • morning... Tony ☮ ... 2011/11/28 19:11:38
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +1
    Oh, no! It wouldn't surprise me if O'Reilly endorsed a flesh-eating demon so long as it is Republican.
  • Latti Ice Ganga Gangsta of ... 2011/11/21 19:59:40
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    Latti Ice Ganga Gangsta of PHAET
    +5
    *Exasperated Sigh*


    sigh
  • jacktown kid 2011/11/21 15:56:29
    YES, Ron Paul is a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration.
    jacktown kid
    LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
  • Liberty jacktow... 2012/01/06 20:38:55
    Liberty
    +1
    ^^^ another one who doesn't know what a RINO is - and also doesn't know who Ron Paul is ^^^
  • jacktow... Liberty 2012/01/09 16:01:42
    jacktown kid
    Lets see how far he goes my guess is not for long
  • rob ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/11/21 13:50:23
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    rob ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +6
    when compared to the alternatives and the incumbent , even a caveman could see there is NO ONE BETTER !!! Ron Paul addresses all the issues i hear complained about from the people. if you still have doubts on who is the BEST for AMERICA
    ask yourself WHY do all the others on the debate stage REPACKAGE Ron Paul's
    idea's in an attempt to make them their own ?
    Give me the ORIGINAL not a poor reproduction !!!! fakes are just CHEAP imitations, poor Quality and no value.

    Straight from the horses mouth this shows the article for what it is a farce
    and part of the on going smear campaign against Ron Paul

    A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY

    A nation without borders is no nation at all.

    It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.

    Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.

    Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.

    Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protec...



























    when compared to the alternatives and the incumbent , even a caveman could see there is NO ONE BETTER !!! Ron Paul addresses all the issues i hear complained about from the people. if you still have doubts on who is the BEST for AMERICA
    ask yourself WHY do all the others on the debate stage REPACKAGE Ron Paul's
    idea's in an attempt to make them their own ?
    Give me the ORIGINAL not a poor reproduction !!!! fakes are just CHEAP imitations, poor Quality and no value.

    Straight from the horses mouth this shows the article for what it is a farce
    and part of the on going smear campaign against Ron Paul

    A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY

    A nation without borders is no nation at all.

    It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.

    Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.

    Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.

    Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protecting their citizens by refusing to comply with the unconstitutional REAL ID law.

    While the federal government neglects its constitutional responsibility to protect our borders, it continues to push mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care to illegal immigrants at a time when the states are drowning in debt. This must not be tolerated any longer.

    Like most Americans, Ron Paul also understands just how valuable legal immigration is to our country.

    Immigrants who want to work hard, obey our laws, and live the American Dream have always been great assets.
    COMMON SENSE REFORMS

    If elected President, Ron Paul will work to implement the following common sense reforms:

    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.

    * Protect Lawful Immigrants – As President, Ron Paul will encourage legal immigration by streamlining the entry process without rewarding lawbreakers.

    As long as our borders remain wide open, the security and safety of the American people are at stake.

    As President, Ron Paul will address immigration by fighting for effective solutions that protect our nation, uphold the rule of law, and respect every American citizen’s civil liberties.

    this came verbatim from Ron's site
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/th...

    NumbersUSA has shown us why to forever more question the legitimacy of anything they print
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  • morning40oz~mad as hell 2011/11/21 11:50:39
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +5
    First of all, I am more than okay with calling Ron Paul a RINO given the fact that the Republican Party hasn't stood for its original platform in decades. There actually isn't any such thing as a RINO any more when over 95% of them are no less sold out than the Democrats. So, THANK YOU, for making the distinction between Ron Paul and his treasonous colleagues.


    Integrity....that's how one can "rationalize" Ron Paul. There is NO candidate with a more consistent voting record on the issues than Ron Paul regardless of whether one agrees with his policies or not.

    The Holy Bible....that's how one can "rationalize" Ron Paul. No matter how big the problem is with illegal immigration, we are instructed by the Holy Bible to love one another as ourselves and find the most reasonable and humane solution to making things right for the US AND those people who are trying to make a better life for themselves. Try to "rationalize" a different approach.

    The US Constitution....that's how one can "rationalize" Ron Paul. PROVE that any vote he has cast has been out of line with the Constitution. Our rights are only as safe as we are willing to keep those our neighbors whether we agree with their position, religion, lifestyle choice, or not.










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    First of all, I am more than okay with calling Ron Paul a RINO given the fact that the Republican Party hasn't stood for its original platform in decades. There actually isn't any such thing as a RINO any more when over 95% of them are no less sold out than the Democrats. So, THANK YOU, for making the distinction between Ron Paul and his treasonous colleagues.


    Integrity....that's how one can "rationalize" Ron Paul. There is NO candidate with a more consistent voting record on the issues than Ron Paul regardless of whether one agrees with his policies or not.

    The Holy Bible....that's how one can "rationalize" Ron Paul. No matter how big the problem is with illegal immigration, we are instructed by the Holy Bible to love one another as ourselves and find the most reasonable and humane solution to making things right for the US AND those people who are trying to make a better life for themselves. Try to "rationalize" a different approach.

    The US Constitution....that's how one can "rationalize" Ron Paul. PROVE that any vote he has cast has been out of line with the Constitution. Our rights are only as safe as we are willing to keep those our neighbors whether we agree with their position, religion, lifestyle choice, or not.










    Ron Paul quotes on immigration

    Data banks for illegal aliens keep track of us too. (Sep 2011)
    Pay attention to US borders, not international borders. (Aug 2011)
    Let churches provide services for immigrants, not state. (Jun 2011)
    Give illegals limbo status: a green card with an asterisk. (Apr 2011)
    Sending 12M illegals home won't & shouldn't happen. (Apr 2011)
    If economy were good, there’d be no immigration problem. (Dec 2007)
    Amend Constitution to remove aliens’ birthright citizenship. (Dec 2007)
    Those who attack bilingualism are jealous & feel inferior. (Dec 2007)
    No amnesty, but impractical to round up 12 million illegals. (Sep 2007)
    Immigration problem is consequence of welfare state. (Sep 2007)
    No amnesty, but border fence isn’t so important. (Jun 2007)
    We subsidize illegal immigration, so we get more. (Jun 2007)
    Keep rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
    End all incentives and amnesty for illegal immigrants. (Jan 2006)
    Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
    Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
    Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
    Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
    Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
    Sponsored bill banning student visas from terrorist nations. (Jan 2003)
    Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
    Rated 83% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance. (Dec 2006)
    Government services in English only. (Mar 2008)
    Rated C by the ALI, indicating an acceptably anti-amnesty stance. (Nov 2010)
    Declare English as the official language of the US. (Feb 2007)

    Data banks for illegal aliens keep track of us too

    Q: You commented a couple of weeks ago about a border fence with Mexico, saying, "There's capital controls and there's people control. So every time you think of a fence keeping all those bad people out, think about those fences maybe being used against us, keeping us in." Do you know a lot of Americans who want to take their money and flee the US?
    PAUL: There are some. All the candidates up here talk about repatriation of dollars. They've already taken them overseas. We're talking about trying to bring in $1.5 trillion because they leave our country, because we make it uncomfortable, too many regulations, too much taxation. When countries destroy a currency, they do lead to capital controls and they lead to people control. And, also, once you have these data banks, everybody is going to be in the data bank. You say, oh, no, the data bank's there for the illegals. But everybody's in the data bank. [Same on] the national ID card: if you care about your personal liberty, you'll be cautious.

    Pay attention to US borders, not international borders


    Q: Why are you opposed to a system that requires employers to verify the immigration status of their workers?
    A: I don't like putting the burden on our businessmen to be the policemen. That means he has to be policing activity. But I have a strong position on immigration. I don't think that we should give amnesty and they become voters. But I do think we should deal with our borders. One way that I would suggest that we could do it is pay less attention to the borders between Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and bring our troops home and deal with the border. But why do we pay more attention to the borders overseas and less attention to the borders here at home? We now have a mess on the borders, and it has a lot more to do with it than just immigration, because we're financing some of this militarism against the drug dealers on the borders right now to the tune of over $1 billion. And there is a mess down there, but it's much bigger than just the immigration problem.

    Let churches provide services for immigrants, not state

    Q: [to Santorum] How would you prevent illegal immigrants from using our health care, educational, or welfare systems?
    SANTORUM: We should not be offering to people--particularly those who broke the law to come here or overstayed their visa--we should not be offering government benefits.
    Q: [to Paul]: But should taxpayers have to pay for that care?
    PAUL: No, they should not be forced to. But you know, there was a time when we didn't depend on government for everything. There was a time when the Catholic Church actually looked after immigrants. We shouldn't be penalizing the Catholic Church, because they're trying to fulfill a role. And some of the anti-immigrants want to come down hard on the Catholic Church, and that is wrong. Freedom has solved these kind of problems before. You don't have to say, oh, there won't be any care and everybody is going to die on the streets without medical care. That's the implication of the question. That's just not true, and you shouldn't accept it.

    Give illegals limbo status: a green card with an asterisk

    Immigrants who can't be sent back due to the magnitude of the problem should not be given citizenship--no amnesty should be granted. Maybe a "green card" with an asterisk could be issued. This in-between status, keeping illegal immigrants in limbo, will be said that it will create a class of 2nd-class citizens. Yet it could be argued that it may well allow some immigrants who come here illegally a beneficial status without automatic citizenship--a much better option than deportation.

    Sending 12M illegals home won't & shouldn't happen

    Even with a healthy economy and stricter border controls, the issue of what to do with twelve-million-plus illegals already here would persist. One side says use the U.S. Army, round them up, and ship them home. The other side says give them amnesty, make them full-fledged citizens, and reward the lawbreakers, thus insulting and unfairly penalizing those who have patiently waited and obeyed our immigration laws. The first choice--sending twelve to fifteen million illegals home--isn't going to happen and should not happen. Neither the determination or the ability to accomplish it exists. Besides, if each case is looked at separately, we would find ourselves splitting up families and deporting some who have lived here for decades, if not their entire life, and who never lived for any length of time in Mexico.

    Amend Constitution to remove aliens’ birthright citizenship

    Q: You say you’re a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be US citizens.
    A: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What’s the contradiction there?
    Q: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?
    A: Well, that’s constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn’t in the original Constitution. And there’s confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it’s still confusing because individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they’re under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it’s awfully, awfully confusing, and, matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.

    End all incentives and amnesty for illegal immigrants

    We haven’t talked about the economics of illegal immigration. You can’t solve this problem as long as you have a runaway welfare state & excessive spending & the wiping out of the middle class through inflation, because that’s what directs the hostility, is people are hurting. When we have all these mandates on hospitals and on schools. There’s an incentive for a lot of our people not to work, because they can get welfare. Then there’s a lot of incentive because they know they’re going to get amnesty. We gave it to the illegals in the ‘80s. Then, we put mandates on the states to compel them to have medical care. And you say, well, that’s compassionate. What happens if the hospital closes and then the people here in this country don’t get medical care? So you can’t divorce it from the economics. You’ve got to get rid of the incentives. No amnesty. No forced benefits. It just won’t work if you try to see this in a vacuum. You have to deal with it as a whole, as an economic issue as well.


    Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration.

    Paul scores 100% by FAIR on immigration issues
    The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a national, non-profit, public interest membership organization of concerned citizens united by their belief in the need for immigration reform. Founded in 1979, FAIR believes that the U.S. can and must have an immigration policy that is non-discriminatory and designed to serve the environmental, economic, and social needs of our country.
    FAIR seeks to improve border security, to stop illegal immigration, and to promote immigration levels consistent with the national interest—more traditional rates of about 300,000 a year.
    With more than 70,000 members nationwide, FAIR is a non-partisan group whose membership runs the gamut from liberal to conservative.
    The ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.
    Source: FAIR website 03n-FAIR on Dec 31, 2003


    Declare English as the official language of the US.

    Paul co-sponsored declaring English as the official language of the US
    This bill declares English as the official language of the United States, establishes a uniform English language rule for naturalization.
    The United States is comprised of individuals from diverse ethnic, cultural, and linguistic backgrounds, and continues to benefit from this rich diversity.
    Throughout the history of the United States, the common thread binding individuals of differing backgrounds has been the English language.
    Federal Representatives of shall have an obligation to enhance the role of English as the official language of the Federal Government.
    The official functions of the Government of the United States shall be conducted in English.
    All citizens should be able to read and understand generally the English language text of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the laws of the US.
    All naturalization ceremonies shall be conducted in English.

    Source: English Language Unity Act (H.R.997) 2007-HR997 on Feb 12, 2007



    Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border.

    Within 18 months, achieves operational control over U.S. land and maritime borders, including:
    systematic border surveillance through more effective use of personnel and technology; and
    physical infrastructure enhancements to prevent unlawful border entry
    Defines "operational control" as the prevention of all unlawful U.S. entries, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, narcotics, and other contraband.
    Proponents support voting YES because:
    It is obvious there is no more defining issue in our Nation today than stopping illegal immigration. The most basic obligation of any government is to secure the Nation's borders. One issue in which there appears to be a consensus between the Senate and the House is on the issue of building a secure fence. So rather than wait until comprehensive legislation is enacted, we should move forward on targeted legislation which is effective and meaningful. The legislation today provides over 700 miles of two-layered reinforced fencing, and for the rest of the border provides a virtual fence, via integrated surveillance technology.
    Opponents support voting NO because:
    Just to build the fence is going to cost us at least $7 billion. Where is the money coming from to pay for it? How much is it going to cost to maintain this 700-mile fence? Who is going to do it? This bill contains no funding.
    This bill also ignores real enforcement measures, like hiring more Border Patrol personnel, and instead builds a Berlin Wall on our southern border. So long as employers need workers in this country, and while our immigration systems impede rather than facilitate timely access of willing workers to those opportunities, undocumented immigration will never be controlled.
    Walls, barriers, and military patrols will only force those immigrants to utilize ever more dangerous routes and increase the number of people who die in search of an opportunity to feed and clothe their families.

    Reference: Secure Fence Act; Bill H R 6061 ; vote number 2006-446 on Sep 14, 2006


    Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project.

    Voting YES on this amendment supports the Minuteman Project, a group of volunteers who have taken on surveillance of the Mexican border for illegal immigrants. The amendment states that US funds will not be used to tell the Mexican government about the whereabouts of the Minuteman Project volunteers. Proponents of the Minuteman Project say that they are volunteer citizens doing what the federal government SHOULD be doing, but has failed to do. Opponents of the Minuteman Project say that they are vigilantes at best and anti-Mexican racists at worst. The amendment states:
    None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.
    The amendment's sponsor said on its behalf:
    What this amendment does is it clarifies Congress' position on a Border Patrol practice or a practice of the US Government that tips off illegal immigrants as to where citizen patrols may be located.
    As a response to the lawlessness along the Mexican border, a group has sprung up called the Minutemen Project, and the Minutemen Project is definitely not politically correct in Washington DC. However, they filled a void which the government was unable to fill.
    There are over 7,000 volunteers in the Minutemen organization, and their help has been productive and good.
    What my amendment does is simply says that the U.S. Government cannot tip off the Mexican officials as to where these folks are located. Plain and simple, nothing fancy about it. I am sure the Border Patrol will say, oh, no, we are not doing that, and yet one of the Web pages of the Secretary of Mexico had the information very explicit, and we just do not believe that is a good practice.

    Reference: Department of Homeland Security appropriations; Bill HR 5441 Amendment 968 ; vote number 2006-224 on Jun 6, 2006

    Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment.

    Vote to pass the bill that would require hospitals to gather and report information on possible illegal aliens before hospitals can be reimbursed for treating them. The bill would also make employers liable for the reimbursements if an undocumented employee seeks medical attention, unless the employer meets particular conditions for exemption. The bill would specify that hospitals aren't required to provide care to undocumented aliens if they can be transported to their home country without a significant chance of worsening their condition.
    Reference: Undocumented Alien Emergency Medical Assistance Amendments; Bill HR 3722 ; vote number 2004-182 on May 20, 2004

    Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules.

    Vote on motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill that would extend by four months a law allowing some immigrants to remain in the country while pursuing legal residency.

    Reference: Motion sponsoerd by Gekas, R-PA; Bill HR1885 ; vote number 2001-127 on May 21, 2001

    Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers.


    Vote to pass a bill to increase the number of temporary visas granted to highly skilled workers from 65,000 to 115,000 by the year 2000.

    Reference: Bill introduced by Smith, R-TX.; Bill HR 3736 ; vote number 1998-460 on Sep 24, 1998

    Sponsored bill banning student visas from terrorist nations.

    Paul sponsored against student visas from countries that support terrorism
    OFFICIAL CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: To limit the issuance of student and diversity immigrant visas to aliens who are nationals of Saudi Arabia, countries that support terrorism, or countries not cooperating fully with United States antiterrorism efforts.
    SPONSOR'S INTRODUCTORY REMARKS: Rep. PAUL: The US remains vulnerable to terrorist attacks more than a year after the tragedy of 9/11. Our borders remain porous--a virtual revolving door and welcome mat for those who would seek to harm us. This was never more evident than when news broke some time ago that the INS had actually renewed the visas for several of the 9/11 hijackers after the attack had taken place. We cannot prevent terrorism if we cannot keep terrorists out of our country.
    This bill will deny student and "diversity" visas to anyone coming from a country currently on the State Department's list of terrorism-sponsoring countries. It may seem shocking that citizens from these countries can even still receive these visas, but it is true. We must put a lock on this revolving door if we are going to protect Americans from the continuing threat of terrorism on our soil.
    Further, it is time we face reality regarding Saudi Arabia. We must remember that most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals. Also, when al-Qaeda supporters were rounded up from Afghanistan, reports showed that of the 158 prisoners, more than 100 were Saudi nationals. With such an evident level of involvement from Saudi nationals in these activities, it is quite obvious that the Saudi government is not doing all it can, or all it should, in resolving this urgent problem. Therefore, Saudi citizens will also be denied student and "diversity" visas to the United States under this bill.
    LEGISLATIVE OUTCOME:Referred to House Subcommittee on Immigration & Border Security; never came to a vote.

    Source: Terror Immigration Elimination Act (H.R.488) 03-HR0488 on Jan 29, 2003

    Rated 83% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance.

    Paul scores 83% by USBC on immigration issues
    OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 USBC scores as follows:
    0%-30%: open-border stance (approx. 197 members)
    30%-70%: mixed record on open borders (approx. 70 members)
    70%-100%: sealed-border stance (approx. 202 members)
    About USBC (from their website, www.usbc.org):
    U.S. Border Control, founded in 1988, is a non-profit, tax-exempt, citizen's lobby. USBC is dedicated to ending illegal immigration by securing our nation's borders and reforming our immigration policies. USBC [works with] Congressmen to stop amnesty; seal our borders against terrorism and illegal immigration; and, preserve our nation's language, culture and American way of life for future generations.
    Our organization accepts no financial support from any branch of government. All our support comes from concerned citizens who appreciate the work we are doing to seal our borders against drugs, disease, illegal migration and terrorism and wish to preserve our nation's language, culture and heritage for the next generations.

    Source: USBC website 06n-USBC on Dec 31, 2006

    Government services in English only.

    Paul co-sponsored bill requiring government services in English only
    A bill to provide that Executive Order 13166 shall have no force or effect, and to prohibit the use of funds for certain purposes.
    Be it enacted that Executive Order 13166, 'Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency' (August 16, 2000), is null and void and shall have no force or effect.
    On August 11, 2000, the President signed Executive Order 13166. The Executive Order requires Federal agencies to examine the services they provide, identify any need for services to those with limited English proficiency (LEP), and develop and implement a system to provide those services so LEP persons can have meaningful access to them.

    Source: S.2719/H.R.768 08-S2719 on Mar 5, 2008

    Rated C by the ALI, indicating an acceptably anti-amnesty stance.

    Paul scores C by ALIPAC, Americans for Legal Immigration
    ALIPAC supporters have a diverse range of opinions, yet we are united in the belief that more should be done to reduce illegal immigration. ALIPAC supports those that legally immigrate, but we DO NOT support any amnesty, visa expansion, or "Guest Worker" program designed to reward illegal aliens or legalize their presence in the US. We support a peaceful, non racist, rule of law approach to resolving illegal immigration. America is a land of generous and caring people, but our hospitality and values are being strained and abused by those who are willing to break the law and take our jobs and our tax dollars. America's illegal alien population will begin to shrink instead of grow if we support candidates that will reflect the will of the vast majority of American citizens.
    FOUR POINT PLATFORM: "Simply enforce our existing immigration laws!"
    Secure Our Borders
    Crack down on employers that intentionally hire illegals
    Remove incentives and rewards to illegals such as licenses, welfare, and other taxpayer benefits
    Enforce our existing laws and deport illegal aliens when convicted of crimes or detected during routine law enforcement activities.

    Source: ALI website 10-ALI on Nov 2, 2010
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  • DDogbreath morning... 2011/11/27 19:31:17
  • Gregaj7 2011/11/21 05:57:51
    NO, Ron Paul is NOT a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration [go...
    Gregaj7
    +5
    Ron Paul is a Libertarian in a GOP 'suit'. He's the best candidate available, bar-none. Got any other "problems" with him? If you want the NWO, there are plenty of choices.
  • Wolfman 2011/11/20 17:49:16
    YES, Ron Paul is a RINO for being woefully soft on illegal immigration.
    Wolfman
    +3
    There's more to this than just [...]. Paul is a complete trainwreck.

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