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Now that the official Republican platform wants a Constitutional Amendment to ban ALL abortions (even to save the life of the mother), will you be voting for Romney? (Under their standards, even birth control pills and diaphragms will be illegal.)

M. Aronson 2012/08/24 03:02:44
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Republican drafters of their party’s 2012 platform reaffirmed support for a constitutional amendment banning abortion that would allow no exception for terminating pregnancies caused by rape or incest or to save the life of the mother.

Although Romney personally says that he would be in favor of exceptions in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, that goes against his party leaders and also his Vice Presidential pick. Since Romney is known to be a notorious flip-flopper when it comes to just about every issue, it is reasonable to assume that he wouldn't hold out for those exceptions when faced with pressure from either his party or the public, either.



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  • ♥dreamer-leigh♥ 2012/08/24 03:47:44
    I will vote for Romney no matter what.
    ♥dreamer-leigh♥
    +17
    I am pro-life..regardless, and my state is one of the highest receiving government entitlements and fundings for abortions..make me sick and most are repeat patients. Murder is murder and having an abortion is murder. Take precautions to prevent unwanted pregnancies...these innocent lives deserve better than to end up in a trash can! It is a human life!

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  • adeenmckenziekennedy 2012/09/08 02:37:05 (edited)
    I wouldn't vote for Romney under any circumstances.
    adeenmckenziekennedy
    I am not considering voting for Romney because I don't feel he is good for the country.
    I feel Gary Johnson is better for the country than both Pres. Obama and Romney.
    P.S. Voting for Romney to vote Obama out is not going to cut it. If you vote for Romney, vote for Romney because you feel he will do a better job than Obama and that he has better ideas.
    For now, as a 17 year old, if I had the chance to vote, I would have voted for Gary Johnson but he has no chance of winning.
    As for abortion, don't you right wingers feel you guys are going too far with this Constitutional Amendment to ban ALL abortions? Don't women have a right to choose? It is their bodies after all. I just want to hear from the right wingers on this one.
  • Andrew 2012/08/28 22:27:13 (edited)
    I will vote for Romney no matter what.
    Andrew
    I WILL vote for Romney. He seems like the best choice of presidents. I am pro life, tax money should not be wasted on abortion.
  • brian.d... Andrew 2012/08/30 19:45:35
    brian.d.foster
    Tax money does not go to abortion. That's just a lie. Not that you care to figure out the facts for yourself.

    Something you should know about the Ryan economic plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch...
  • Andrew brian.d... 2012/10/18 23:34:02
    Andrew
    I managed to watch that, and he ignored what Obama has in store for this country which will be an economic disaster. I also noticed adding comments were disabled, probably didn't want to see anyone disagreeing with it.
  • waterlady 2012/08/27 17:56:24
    I will vote for Romney no matter what.
    waterlady
    I do believe in abortion and women's rights. We have to fight this in a different way. Obama's over spending and borrowing money has got to stop. We can't go into anymore debt. We need to change all right and get him out of office. Where's the job's!!
  • brian.d... waterlady 2012/08/30 19:43:04
    brian.d.foster
    Really, I wish you would go check out the facts.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...

    Check out the graph, it alone says so very much.
  • Jesferkicks 2012/08/26 05:32:48
    I will vote for Romney no matter what.
    Jesferkicks
    These are just words to keep the ultra-Christians in the camp. Everyone, except maybe those ultra-Christians, knows it will never past muster. Just words.
  • Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞ 2012/08/24 23:50:57
    I will vote for Romney no matter what.
    Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞
    “Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,” Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said in a statement Sunday.....Boston Globe
  • brian.d.foster 2012/08/24 18:44:26
    I wouldn't vote for Romney under any circumstances.
    brian.d.foster
    +2
    What we need is an amendment that explicitly states that we all have a reasonable expectation of privacy, unless and until solid reasons can be shown to give cause for an invasion of a person's privacy based on legally obtained evidence that the person is planning, carrying out, or has executed a criminal act.

    Said amendment must also contain language to separate public and private lives for privacy purposes. What non-public figures do is not the business of the paparazzi, entertainment news, etc. unless the objects of the attention make a positive affirmation that they may be photographed and recorded and have such published on any and all media. This would be a person's "personal sphere" as opposed to one's "public sphere".

    Violations of the "personal sphere" would be jail and fines of no less than 30 days and $3000 per instance. This would reduce the paparazzi gangs hounding celebrities in their homes, on vacation, etc. They, and anyone else (with exception of public figures like politicians) would be in the "public sphere" automatically only at public events in which they are taking an active part.

    Politicians and other high profile people whose actions can and do affect the lives of others would not have as many protections under the "personal sphere". What they do wi...



    What we need is an amendment that explicitly states that we all have a reasonable expectation of privacy, unless and until solid reasons can be shown to give cause for an invasion of a person's privacy based on legally obtained evidence that the person is planning, carrying out, or has executed a criminal act.

    Said amendment must also contain language to separate public and private lives for privacy purposes. What non-public figures do is not the business of the paparazzi, entertainment news, etc. unless the objects of the attention make a positive affirmation that they may be photographed and recorded and have such published on any and all media. This would be a person's "personal sphere" as opposed to one's "public sphere".

    Violations of the "personal sphere" would be jail and fines of no less than 30 days and $3000 per instance. This would reduce the paparazzi gangs hounding celebrities in their homes, on vacation, etc. They, and anyone else (with exception of public figures like politicians) would be in the "public sphere" automatically only at public events in which they are taking an active part.

    Politicians and other high profile people whose actions can and do affect the lives of others would not have as many protections under the "personal sphere". What they do within their their homes and families, that do not affect people outside their family and friends, would be "private sphere" all else would be public sphere. Such people have no right to the same expectation to privacy as the common person. Their actions affect us all, so we should be aware of what they are up to and doing. In that way they would better be kept in check. This includes any organization that "assists" such persons; their members and donors would all be required to be publicly named so they cannot make anonymous donations to causes that are against the interests of The People and the USA.

    Those individuals accused of crimes would be out of bounds, their names withheld from the public so as to ensure that they get a fair hearing. Once their cases have been been though the Justice system and they have been found guilty, then their names and their crimes would be fair game for the media, as they have lost any reasonable expectation of privacy. No special considerations allowed based on age, and no exceptions made for any individual or group to save them from the "damage" done to their lives, because we can be sure that they have damaged other people's lives equally or worse.

    Should this be worded more carefully? Yes, but the general idea is sound.
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  • Doc 2012/08/24 18:43:44
    I will vote for Romney no matter what.
    Doc
    +2
    The poster of this question is not telling the truth.
  • JL Doc 2012/08/24 18:54:10
    JL
    +1
    AN UNDERSTATEMENT!!!
  • Doc JL 2012/08/24 19:01:42
  • M. Aronson Doc 2012/08/24 22:20:24
    M. Aronson
    +1
    @Doc: I told the truth. If you can disprove what I've written via a reputable news site (not a blog or Faux news) then by all means, go ahead.
  • Doc M. Aronson 2012/08/24 22:53:01
    Doc
    How about CNN?

    http://politicalticker.blogs....


    Can you show me where your post is correct?
  • M. Aronson Doc 2012/08/25 09:51:08
    M. Aronson
    +1
    The entire page shows I was correct!
    "we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children."

    I guess you aren't aware of the facts of how birth control pills work. They make the uterus an "inhospitable" place for the zygote to "latch onto" and start growing. In effect, the pills turn the uterus into an abortifacient - it effectively "aborts" the zygote so it can't grow. It leaves the woman's body via the usual menstrual discharge. Make it a law that we are human beings from the moment of conception, and birth control pills become illegal.

    Oh - I admit that I erred when I mentioned diaphragms. Not that anyone uses them any more, anyway. (Although if this current movement continues unstopped, one day we may very well see that ANY method of preventing sperm from fertilizing eggs could become illegal, too!)
  • brian.d... M. Aronson 2012/08/25 16:05:08
    brian.d.foster
    http://www.enotes.com/abortio...

    Behind this debate is the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion. Roe was based in part on the Fourteenth Amendment’s right to privacy, which the Court ruled was “broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.” According to the ruling, a woman’s right to abortion outweighed the rights of a nonviable fetus and prohibited state interference. Even after viability, however, when the fetus could survive outside of the womb, the Court ruled that states must allow abortions that could save women’s lives. In 1992 the Supreme Court reaffirmed Roe in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, maintaining a woman’s fundamental right to abortion.
  • M. Aronson brian.d... 2012/08/25 22:14:59
    M. Aronson
    +1
    @Brian d: Correct! However, I find it remarkable that dozens of U.S. states have managed to wriggle around that decision by putting various impediments in the way of women wanting an abortion. As a result, poor women (of course) who have little access to out-of-state providers, frequently aren't able to obtain the abortion.
  • ThickAz... M. Aronson 2012/08/27 04:57:38
    ThickAzABrick
    LIE!
  • brian.d... M. Aronson 2012/08/30 19:39:38
    brian.d.foster
    They are doing their best. Eventually the cases will come before the high courts. There are ways to effectively fight them.

    Be nice if we could create a setup for those poor women to get safe abortions for little or no money. Perhaps a Nonprofit organization that provides transportation and such, to and from. It could be done.
  • Doc M. Aronson 2012/08/25 16:18:13
    Doc
    Where does it say that they will make contraception illegal. Because your interpretation is not correct, the republican standard applies to a fetus, not a zygote. That is where your information is not correct.
  • Doc Doc 2012/08/25 16:19:50
    Doc
    On a side note, there is no official platform as of yet.
  • M. Aronson Doc 2012/08/25 22:17:33
    M. Aronson
    +1
    @ Doc: The proposed amendment will state that "human life begins at the moment of conception," which is why birth control pills will be outlawed. It is also, by the way, the reason why Catholic employers were so unwilling to allow this part of Obamacare, since it requires health insurers to pay for birth control pills.
  • Doc M. Aronson 2012/08/26 18:13:57
    Doc
    I am not denying that some republicans use logic and call life life when it begins. the point I am contesting is whether or not this is the official repub party platform.

    I can find no evidence other than reposrters saying that it is.

    The republican party list no official platform as of yet, and are still taking suggestions. The info you listed is one of the things under consideration.
  • ThickAz... M. Aronson 2012/08/27 04:57:16
    ThickAzABrick
    BOLD FACE LIE!
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/24 18:17:20
    I will vote for Romney no matter what.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    And by the way:

    Abortion is murder. Even in the case of rape it amounts to summary execution of a *child* for a thing that an *adult* did.

    And I don't see the original poster disavowing the Obama position: abortion on demand, at any time, and without apology.

    Or the Boxer position: a baby isn't a person until mother brings the baby home.
  • brian.d... Temlako... 2012/08/24 19:48:52
    brian.d.foster
    +2
    Good thing that your beliefs are not law. Sorry, this is not the United States Under Christ.
  • Temlako... brian.d... 2012/08/25 01:34:23
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    I take it, then, that you agree with Senator Boxer that a baby is not a person until the mother brings him or her home.

    News flash. God is Real. And so shall be the Great White Throne Judgment.
  • brian.d... Temlako... 2012/08/25 16:01:07
    brian.d.foster
    +1
    I believe in the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights. We are a nation of laws, the basis of which is the Constitution. The First Amendment implicitly creates a Separation of Church and State. SCOTUS has found this to be true many times over the years. Please read this: http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9...

    This has nothing to do with God. This has to do with the USA which is based on the Constitution. You may believe what you want. You may not force your beliefs upon the rest of us.

    Oh, ever hear of the Treaty of Tripoli? If not you need to look it up and read Article 11. Heck, let me give you a hand... http://www.earlyamerica.com/r...
  • Temlako... brian.d... 2012/08/25 16:16:55
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    The phrase you mentioned was in one of Thomas Jefferson's letters.

    And that does not excuse the murderous act that abortion is.
  • M. Aronson Temlako... 2012/08/25 22:22:54
    M. Aronson
    +1
    @Temlako: If you want, go ahead and call abortion "murder." However, you are forgetting something very important. Women will still get abortions whether they are legal or not. I am old enough to remember the days when girls used to bleed to death from back-alley butchers or home-made abortions using coathangers. So it's really a question of your wanting living, breathing women to die - women with friends and jobs and loves and dreams - or not.

    keep

    hangers
  • ThickAz... M. Aronson 2012/08/27 05:10:45
    ThickAzABrick
    You are an extraordinarily gifted liar.

    You are NOT old enough to remember girls dying in back alleys from botched abortions, because it wasn't happening. It is merely inflammatory rhetoric espoused by some, and I defy you to find me newspaper articles (from a credible news source- not ABC, CBS, or NBC) that shows a pattern of "girls dying in back alleys from botched abortions" before Roe v. Wade. You will not find any such information, because it isn't true. It is a BS narrative from the pro abortion crowd. Not pro choice, but pro abortion, and there is a huge difference. You and your ilk have the sickest brain that somehow concludes that a woman is actually empowered WHEN she chooses abortion over carrying to term.
  • brian.d... ThickAz... 2012/08/30 19:27:20
    brian.d.foster
    Knowing history doesn't make someone a liar. Your personal beliefs are yours, but they are not everyone else's. Additionally, your thinking puts women back into the status of chattel, owned property. Something I am absolutely against.

    Once again, I am thankful that this is a Constitutional Republic and not a Christian Nation (which would be like Iran: a Theocratic Republic). Our laws are not biblically based, and are not supposed to be. If you think this is a Christian Nation then you need to read the Constitution and learn just what it says about Treaties followed by reading the Treaty of Tripoli, specifically Article 11.
  • brian.d... Temlako... 2012/08/30 19:37:14
    brian.d.foster
    Murder is a legal definition. Therefore, abortion is not murder. A fetus is not a person. And, SCOTUS has stated that the Rights of the woman carrying the fetus outweigh those that the fetus may have, period.
  • Doc brian.d... 2012/08/26 18:14:53
    Doc
    There is nothing in the constitution about abortioin.
  • brian.d... Doc 2012/08/30 19:28:38
    brian.d.foster
    +1
    No, there is not. Good of you to notice. But, there is an implied reasonable right to privacy in the 15th Amendment, which is what the rulings by SCOTUS were based on when it came to the birth control pill issue and later Roe v. Wade. Isn't it lovely how our laws work?
  • Doc brian.d... 2012/08/31 19:21:21
    Doc
    not always, but one must take the bad with the good, in order for our country to function.
  • M. Aronson Temlako... 2012/08/25 22:19:23
    M. Aronson
    +1
    @ Temlako: Go ahead and worry about your God and Judgement. Unless you approve of a God-run government such as the Taliban tries to enforce, then keep your God out of my government.

    which
  • ThickAz... M. Aronson 2012/08/27 04:50:59
    ThickAzABrick
    You want God out of Government? Too bad, we are taxpayers and we are here to make sure that our tax dollars are spent wisely. You know, that whole pesky taxation WITH representation. (By the way, it is God, not "your God". Just because you deny Him doesn't keep Him from being God. He is your God whether you accept Him or not.)

    I find it laughable, HYSTERICAL that your meme shows the Constitution under the Dems side. Hahahahahahahaha. The Left tries every two step dance around the Constitiution. Even our very own President said the Constitution is a "charter of negative liberties", he sees it an issue that Government can't just do what it wants. What a clown.
  • brian.d... ThickAz... 2012/08/30 19:33:22
    brian.d.foster
    You're not the only tax payers and Separation of Church and State does exist and SCOTUS has held that to be true on multiple occasions. I guess you do not remember when public schools had Easter and Christmas holidays, not spring break and winter break. There's a legal reason for that based on the First Amendment. You really do not know the history of our country and the ins and outs of the Constitution and the Amendments and thus make silly comments that are worthy of ridicule.
  • brian.d... M. Aronson 2012/08/30 19:31:06
    brian.d.foster
    I want the government that isn't trying to get in our bedrooms and such, and does not rely on religion to decide what is right and wrong. At this time that is the DEMs, but in time it will change again. Though the GOP is soon to go the way of the Dodo bird and the Whig party. What takes its place is anybody's guess. But, it will be a politically moderate right group, I'm sure. Someone that can work with the DEMs and vice versa, for the short term at least.
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