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Not just a "chip in the armor", but a gaping hole in the AGW alarmists' theory of "Man-Made" Global Warming

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Medieval Warming Period Cools Climate Change Alarmism





Posted 03/27/2012 06:58 PM ET




Environment: Climate change alarmists
either ignore the existence of the Medieval Warm Period or say that it
was regional rather than global. A new report, however, shows that the
warming was worldwide.


The Medieval Warm Period is a profound problem for those who claim
that man's 20th- and 21st-century carbon dioxide emissions are warming
the earth.


If an era as warm or warmer than today did indeed exist 500 to 1,000
years ago, before man had invented the CO2-emitting internal combustion
engine, then it weakens their claim that any warming occurring now is
due to human activity. The reality of such a period is a strong sign
that climate change is both natural and cyclical, not moved by man's
modern habits.


In fact, confirmation of the Medieval Warm Period not only dilutes the alarmists' argument, it virtually kills it. [The Minoan and Roman Warm Periods also do their share!]


So rather than deal with it, they act as if it never happened. They
want to try to make it, as one message among the Climate-gate emails
suggested, "go away."


Or they insist that it was confined to Europe and maybe North
America, and therefore is of little relevance. This is the position of
the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which is
supported by America's Environmental Protection Agency that says the
"geographical extent, magnitude and timing of the warmth during this
period is uncertain." [That is an out-and-out
lie. Not only have a number of studies since the year 2000 shown that
the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent (in addition to the one that is the subject of this editorial), they are absolutely
certain that the magnitude was such that Greenland was "green" and that
the Vikings settled and farmed areas there that are just now being
uncovered by receding glaciers, while the waters of northern Canada were so ice-free in the summers that explorers searched for the "fabled" Northwest Passage!]



It's also the position of Al Gore, the former vice president who set off most of the global warming hysteria.


He has maligned the Medieval Warm Period as a "tiny" blip on the
temperature chart of history that he imagines proves the nonsense that
he's been disgorging for years.[Al Gore is an
idiot who got Cs and Ds in Science classes and flunked out of Vanderbilt
Divinity, and yet there are people who actually believe the cretin?]


Scientists
from Syracuse University, however, have found evidence that strongly
affirms that the Medieval Warm Period was no myth but rather a global
event, affecting even Antarctica.


Their study, published in the April issue of Earth and Planetary
Science Letters
, carries the academic title of "An Ikaite record of late
Holocene climate at the Antarctic Peninsula."


Journalists shouldn't let the wonkish title stop them from reporting on the study. And they probably won't.


Instead, the bulk of the mainstream media will conveniently miss the
study for another reason: It doesn't fit their
man-is-causing-the-earth-to-warm narrative.


There's nothing new there, though.


It's an old habit for the media to either ignore or poorly cover evidence that doesn't support global warming alarmism.[They can't help themselves - the great majority of the media are, after all, liberal Democrats!]


A rather cursory look at just three websites — former meteorologist
Anthony Watts' blog, junkscience.com and the home of the Science and
Environmental Policy Project — reveals the media have passed on at
least 25 studies, reports and articles that punch holes in the global
warming claim.


From a study that found tree-ring data, used extensively in the
hockey stick chart that allegedly proves global warming, are an
unreliable proxy of past temperatures; to an account of growing sea ice
in the Arctic and in Antarctica; to a report about researchers finding a
new ocean current, there is a lot of contrary evidence to disclose.


And that's looking back only a month. How much more evidence is out
there contradicting the scientific "consensus" that man is warming his
planet, but is being disregarded by an agenda-driven mainstream media?


Don't expect the media-enviro-alarmist complex to give up its
campaign because research has yet again shown that its case against
humanity continues to wilt under scrutiny.


It's too heavily invested in its story and the goal — stronger
government, weaker capitalism and diminished liberty — that it's been
zealously working toward.


But it has suffered another small cut, and the minor wounds keep
adding up as the facts continue to roll out and the effects of climate
change that we have been warned about never develop. Its golden age will
have been pushed closer to its conclusion by a warm period.

Comment:
In addition to the Medieval Warm Period there have been two other
periods over the past 5,000 years when earth was as warm, or warmer,
than the late 20th century, the Minoan and Roman Warm Periods. AGW
alarmists totally ignore them because there was no "man-made" CO2 to
blame the warming on - only natural climate cycles! And yet the Obama
EPA just issued a ruling that will require future generating plants to
reduce their emissions of CO2, considered by the EPA to be a "greenhouse
gas," a ruling which will make it uneconomical to build new coal-fired
plants, thus wasting one of our most abundant energy sources!

minoan roman medieval warm periods
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  • zbacku 2012/03/30 03:44:04
    The evidence mounts and mounts and mounts. . . . .
    zbacku
    +4
    And yet Trillions are being extorted by those that see this fraud as a way to control every life on the planet.

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  • Icarus 2012/03/30 19:30:09 (edited)
    This proves nothing because . . . . .
    Icarus
    ... it's pseudoscientific nonsense.

    Previous natural climate changes *prove* that our influence on the climate, which is now very large, is going to cause massive global warming and all the associated chaos of drought, storms, floods, heatwaves and so on.
  • Ken Icarus 2012/03/30 22:29:46
    Ken
    Why am I not surprised to hear from you Icarus -- did you fly too close to the sun and melt you wax wings again? So it's "pseudoscientific nonsense", is it, this peer reviewed article published in "Earth and Planetary Science Letters"? What in the hell, Icarus, do you have stock in Al Gore's "carbon credits" scam?
  • Icarus Ken 2012/03/30 23:03:18
    Icarus
    Your article says that these natural climate changes of the past somehow (without the slightest attempt at a logical argument) preclude today's rapid warming being anthropogenic. That's the pseudoscience, because in fact they show precisely the opposite - they reveal a climate that is very sensitive to small influences... and human activity is more than just a small influence now, so they prove we're going to have a large effect on the climate.
  • Ken Icarus 2012/03/30 23:54:34 (edited)
    Ken
    You totally misstate the premise of the argument, which is not surprising - liberals use that tactic all of the time. No, the premise is, if the earth has had three "warm periods" within the past 5,000 years that were as warm or warmer than the late 20th century, why is it considered "abnormal" by AGW alarmists such as yourself. No, they don't "preclude" the late 20th century's warming (not "today's alleged 'rapid warming', inasmuch as it hasn't been warming for over a decade!), but they give a natural reason for it, as opposed to the alarmists' claim it is due to the miniscule (relatively speaking) addition of man-made CO2 to the atmosphere.

    Soils annually contribute between 76.5 & 80.4 gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere (Raich & Potter, 1995; Raich et al., 2002), dwarfing the 7.823 gigatons of carbon emission attributed to the combustion of fossil fuels (IPCC, 2007). According to Schlesinger (1991), the carbon reservoir represented by photosynthesising biota is around 560 gigatons. Deforestation to the tune of 156 gigatons since 1850 (Haughton & Hackler, 2002) represents a total deforestation of 22%. Although current photosynthesising biota account for 120 gigatons of atmospheric carbon sequestration (Bowes, 1991), this figure would be closer to 154 gigatons of carbon sequ...

    You totally misstate the premise of the argument, which is not surprising - liberals use that tactic all of the time. No, the premise is, if the earth has had three "warm periods" within the past 5,000 years that were as warm or warmer than the late 20th century, why is it considered "abnormal" by AGW alarmists such as yourself. No, they don't "preclude" the late 20th century's warming (not "today's alleged 'rapid warming', inasmuch as it hasn't been warming for over a decade!), but they give a natural reason for it, as opposed to the alarmists' claim it is due to the miniscule (relatively speaking) addition of man-made CO2 to the atmosphere.

    Soils annually contribute between 76.5 & 80.4 gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere (Raich & Potter, 1995; Raich et al., 2002), dwarfing the 7.823 gigatons of carbon emission attributed to the combustion of fossil fuels (IPCC, 2007). According to Schlesinger (1991), the carbon reservoir represented by photosynthesising biota is around 560 gigatons. Deforestation to the tune of 156 gigatons since 1850 (Haughton & Hackler, 2002) represents a total deforestation of 22%. Although current photosynthesising biota account for 120 gigatons of atmospheric carbon sequestration (Bowes, 1991), this figure would be closer to 154 gigatons of carbon sequestration back in 1850 given the impact of deforestation on photosynthesizing biota. The total accumulated loss of atmospheric carbon sequestration since 1850 is currently more than 38 gigatons (Casey, 2008); greater than four times the amount of carbon released by fossil fuel combustion to the atmosphere.

    In other words, man-made CO2 is within the 'statistical noise' of naturally occurring CO2 in the atmosphere, as the statistics I quoted above (from the IPCC, by the way!) don't include outgassing from the oceans, which is one of the largest contributors to atmospheric CO2! Inasmuch as Earth has been warming out of the Little Ice Age and "Dickens Winters" since the mid-19th century, and inasmuch as warmer water cannot hold as much CO2 as cold water (check your warm beer for this factoid!), outgassing from the oceans has been on the increase!
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  • Icarus Ken 2012/03/31 08:44:32
    Icarus
    No, the natural climate changes of the past don't tell us that today's rapid warming has a natural cause. There is no logic in that claim, it's a non sequitur. Remember, we've emitted around 1.2 trillion tons of CO₂ to the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution, of which enough remains to raise the atmospheric concentration from 280 to 390ppm. We know quite accurately the climate forcing resulting from that 390ppm - it's about 1.7W/m². The globally averaged climate forcing responsible for the ice ages and interglacials of the last 2 million years never exceeded 0.25W/m² (ask any astronomer) so the forcing responsible for the MWP and LIA must *necessarily* have been smaller than that (since the influence on global temperature was much smaller)... so it's unarguably true that even the forcing from CO₂ alone is much larger than the natural causes of the MWP and the LIA - in fact, much larger than any of the natural climate changes of the last 10,000 years. That's why I'm explaining to you that the MWP is *proof* that we are having, and will have, a very large warming impact on the Earth's climate.
  • Ken Icarus 2012/03/31 17:37:14
    Ken
    The Largest Human Contribution to Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide is Not Automobile and Industrial Emmissions!

    Carbon dioxide is produced by many natural sources including volcanoes, animals, and plants when aspiring at night. Carbon dioxide has been as high as 7000ppm and back in the Devonian, corals evolved when carbon dioxide levels were more than seven times the present concentration. Forests first appeared in force during the Carboniferous when carbon dioxide levels were at least 1000ppm. The horticultural benefits of high carbon dioxide levels are well known (Sylvan, 1992). In fact, it has been widely and repeatedly found both through historical (IE tree ring studies of year to year growth) and experimental studies of plant growth with reference to annual atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations, that higher carbon dioxide levels lead to much greater plant growth (eg. Kimball, 1983; Cure & Acock, 1986; Mortensen, 1987, Lawler & Mitchell, 1991; Drake & Leadley, 1991; Gifford, 1992; Poorter, 1993, Kimball et al., 2007).

    In fact, both terrestrial (McNaughton, 1989) and aquatic (Cyr & Face, 1993) animal life have prospered due to increased plant growth resulting from rising carbon dioxide levels, proving that of all industrial emissions, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but is in f...

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    The Largest Human Contribution to Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide is Not Automobile and Industrial Emmissions!

    Carbon dioxide is produced by many natural sources including volcanoes, animals, and plants when aspiring at night. Carbon dioxide has been as high as 7000ppm and back in the Devonian, corals evolved when carbon dioxide levels were more than seven times the present concentration. Forests first appeared in force during the Carboniferous when carbon dioxide levels were at least 1000ppm. The horticultural benefits of high carbon dioxide levels are well known (Sylvan, 1992). In fact, it has been widely and repeatedly found both through historical (IE tree ring studies of year to year growth) and experimental studies of plant growth with reference to annual atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations, that higher carbon dioxide levels lead to much greater plant growth (eg. Kimball, 1983; Cure & Acock, 1986; Mortensen, 1987, Lawler & Mitchell, 1991; Drake & Leadley, 1991; Gifford, 1992; Poorter, 1993, Kimball et al., 2007).

    In fact, both terrestrial (McNaughton, 1989) and aquatic (Cyr & Face, 1993) animal life have prospered due to increased plant growth resulting from rising carbon dioxide levels, proving that of all industrial emissions, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but is in fact a natural aerial fertiliser. The fact that carbon pooling as a result of plant growth, accelerates in response to rising carbon dioxide levels strongly suggests that currently increasing carbon dioxide levels have more to do with loss of photosynthesising carbon sinks than existing sources of atmospheric carbon such as fossil fuel combustion.

    Soils annually contribute between 76.5 & 80.4 gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere (Raich & Potter, 1995; Raich et al., 2002),dwarfing the 7.823 gigatons of carbon emission attributed to the combustion of fossil fuels (IPCC, 2007). The IPCC's figure of 2.38 gigatons of annual carbon emission to the atmosphere from deforestation roughly corresponds to results from the studies of Melillo et al. (1996) and Haughton & Hackler (2002). As we shall see, it is the balance of much larger sources and sinks of carbon dioxide that will play the greatest role in determining atmospheric carbon dioxide levels.
    While the origin of much of the modern atmospheric carbon dioxide is speculated to be industrial, carbon dioxide levels vary substantially on a seasonal basis and correlate inversely with smaller seasonal variations in atmospheric oxygen concentrations (Keeling et al., 1996). However, the relationship between atmospheric carbon dioxide and oxygen concentration curves reflects decreasing photosynthesis, which Lyons (2007) documents as the almost exclusive producer of oxygen.

    While we are busily distracted with the assumption that fossil fuel combustion is the main cause of the rise observed in atmospheric carbon dioxide, we forget to consider the role of decreasing photosynthesis consequent to deforestation. According to Schlesinger (1991), the carbon reservoir represented by photosynthesising biota is around 560 gigatons. Deforestation to the tune of 156 gigatons since 1850 (Haughton & Hackler, 2002) represents a total deforestation of 22%. Although current photosynthesising biota account for 120 gigatons of atmospheric carbon sequestration (Bowes, 1991), this figure would be closer to 154 gigatons of carbon sequestration back in 1850 given the impact of deforestation on photosynthesizing biota.

    The total accumulated loss of atmospheric carbon sequestration since 1850 is currently more than 38 gigatons (Casey, 2008); greater than four times the amount of carbon released by fossil fuel combustion to the atmosphere. The dominant human activity contributing to the rise of atmospheric carbon dioxide is not fossil fuel combustion but the deficit in photosynthesis accumulated over more than 150 years of deforestation.
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  • Icarus Ken 2012/03/31 18:47:55
    Icarus
    Where did you get this laughable rubbish? Look at the record of CO₂ concentration over the last 10,000 years since the last deglaciation:

    laughable rubbish record concentration 10000 years deglaciation

    Ice core data shows that atmospheric CO₂ was stable at around 280 ±5 ppm for the last 10,000 years. In the last 250 years it has suddenly shot up to 390ppm.

    However, if *all* of the 1.2 trillion tons of CO₂ we've emitted since the start of the Industrial Revolution was still in the atmosphere, it would be at 440ppm (because 1ppm of CO₂ is 7.82 billion tons).

    The difference of ~50 ppm has been absorbed by the natural world - i.e. nature so far has been a net absorber of CO₂, not an emitter.

    In other words, none of the net increase in atmospheric CO₂ can *possibly* come from natural sources.
  • Ken Icarus 2012/03/31 19:43:08
    Ken
    Laughable trash? You apparently didn't notice the citations to IPCC's own data and published, peer-reviewed papers. The amount of CO2 that man contributes to the atmosphere is dwarfed by the amount from natural sources. The data I gave you doesn't even include the largest source, outgassing from the oceans as they have warmed from the Little Ice Age.

    Water vapor accounts for approximately 95% of the total “greenhouse effect” of our atmosphere. CO2 and other gases account for the remaining 5%. “Natural sources,” e.g. outgassing of CO2 from the oceans, and CO2 from vegetation, account for ~ 150 gigatons of CO2 per year, while the burning of fossil fuels (“man-made CO2") accounts for ~ 5 gigatons per year. So man’s contribution to the total greenhouse effect of all atmospheric CO2 is ~ 3.22% [5/155 X 100], which in turn accounts for < 5% of the total greenhouse effect (after subtracting methane and other gases in the atmosphere). This leaves us with a total contribution by man-made CO2 to the greenhouse effect of less than.1611%! Note that these figures are taken from IPCC data!

    This means that, according to the IPCC’s own data, the total contribution of man-made CO2 to the greenhouse effect is less than 2/10ths of one percent (.20%) of the total effect!

    "In other words,...


    Laughable trash? You apparently didn't notice the citations to IPCC's own data and published, peer-reviewed papers. The amount of CO2 that man contributes to the atmosphere is dwarfed by the amount from natural sources. The data I gave you doesn't even include the largest source, outgassing from the oceans as they have warmed from the Little Ice Age.

    Water vapor accounts for approximately 95% of the total “greenhouse effect” of our atmosphere. CO2 and other gases account for the remaining 5%. “Natural sources,” e.g. outgassing of CO2 from the oceans, and CO2 from vegetation, account for ~ 150 gigatons of CO2 per year, while the burning of fossil fuels (“man-made CO2") accounts for ~ 5 gigatons per year. So man’s contribution to the total greenhouse effect of all atmospheric CO2 is ~ 3.22% [5/155 X 100], which in turn accounts for < 5% of the total greenhouse effect (after subtracting methane and other gases in the atmosphere). This leaves us with a total contribution by man-made CO2 to the greenhouse effect of less than.1611%! Note that these figures are taken from IPCC data!

    This means that, according to the IPCC’s own data, the total contribution of man-made CO2 to the greenhouse effect is less than 2/10ths of one percent (.20%) of the total effect!

    "In other words, none of the net increase in atmospheric CO₂ can *possibly* come from natural sources. Wrong! Earth has been warming out of the Little Ice Age and Maunder Minimum since the mid-19th century - as the oceans warm CO2 becomes less soluble in water and "outgasses," increasing the concentration in the atmosphere.


     interglacial period CO2 outgassing revelle
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  • Icarus Ken 2012/03/31 19:51:05
    Icarus
    {whoosh}... that was the sound of the point going completely over your head. Read it again, particularly this bit:

    "In other words, none of the net increase in atmospheric CO₂ can *possibly* come from natural sources."
  • Ken Icarus 2012/03/31 19:55:41
    Ken
    "In the last 250 years it [atmospherid CO2 concentration] has suddenly shot up to 390ppm."

    You don't think that increase might just coincide with earth's warming out of the Little Ice Age and Maunder Minimum over that 250 year period, with the oceans warming and outgassing CO2?

    medieval warm period little ice age maunder minimum
  • Icarus Ken 2012/03/31 20:13:38
    Icarus
    Ken, think about it: You put 1.2 trillion tons of CO₂ into the atmosphere, which corresponds to (1.2x10^12/7.82x10^9) = 153ppm increase (because 1ppm = 7.82 billion tons), but atmospheric concentration only increases by 390 - 280 = 110ppm. Where did the other 43ppm or 336 billion tons go? It didn't just vanish. Fairies didn't bundle it up and carry it away. It *has* to have been absorbed by the natural world. Do you see? And in fact, the data shows that the oceans are *absorbing* 8.4 billion tons of our CO₂ emissions per year, and the land is *absorbing* 9.8 billion tons of our CO₂ emissions per year (2010 figures, URL below). Conclusive proof that *none* of the net increase in atmospheric CO₂ can *possibly* be coming from nature. Do you see this now? Sorry but the logic is completely inescapable.

    http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/glob...
  • Ron in Oregon 2012/03/30 18:23:38
    The evidence mounts and mounts and mounts. . . . .
    Ron in Oregon
    +1
    I have been trying to get the Oregon government to get on the band wagon like Al Gore.
    We need all thee CO2 to help our forests grow nice big trees.
    Trees the finest renewable resource in the world.
    Just remember they give us back as they grow that wonderful stuff called oxygen.
  • Striker 2012/03/30 16:12:49
    Undecided
    Striker
    +2
    Like racism, let's just get over the AGW ruse and move on.

    We have a huge battle ahead with "the greater good" being claimed superior to our Right to Life. We are Ruled by a fella who apparently has no birth certificate. We are $16 trillion in debt. That's real, and matters much more.
  • Murph 65 Striker 2012/03/30 18:05:32
    Murph 65
    +2
    Until the $16 trillion is expanded and expanded due to government money spent on "green" jobs, insisting that we spend our money on whatever new "green" thingy comes along.
  • Striker Murph 65 2012/03/30 19:30:21
    Striker
    +2
    That $16 trillion will be expanded right into collapse. Then if there were GW, we might gather some to keep warm when there's no electricity and no deliveries.
  • Murph 65 Striker 2012/03/30 19:52:14
    Murph 65
    +2
    Some how I don't see Gore or his cronies caring one whit whether we have electricity or not, as long as they have it. Sometimes I feel like we're advancing to the rear - 1850 here we come.
  • Striker Murph 65 2012/03/30 21:50:57
    Striker
    +2
    A few years ago I sold my off-the-grid property, which had enough solar and such to run the place. Now we're elsewhere and I'm hoping we'll manage to set up another. In collapse we can only guess just what the scenarios will be, but electricity is a big concern, for sure.
  • Murph 65 Striker 2012/03/30 22:34:24
    Murph 65
    Good luck to you and yours. We have made provisions for a collapse of the system and the ensuing anarchy. And if and when the government comes to my door, they better have a good reason for coming in because I have a nice old shotgun to protect me and mine - from the gov and from the anarchists.
  • Striker Murph 65 2012/03/30 22:44:03
    Striker
    +1
    Being that anarchy merely means no government, that makes no sense.
  • Murph 65 Striker 2012/03/30 23:36:49
    Murph 65
    +1
    Sorry, in a hurry. I meant that should the gov come, I can take care of them. Anarchists not the word I'm looking for, brain cramp here, those that become rioters when government falls. The word is completely gone.
  • Icarus Murph 65 2012/03/31 21:28:56
    Icarus
    +1
    I'd be interested to hear what provisions you've made. What would you recommend for someone just starting work on this?
  • Murph 65 Icarus 2012/03/31 21:48:36
    Murph 65
    +1
    Have been stocking up on food items. Am canning. Of course have gold and silver. Coleman stove, lantern. Husband gathering mostly while I work. So will have to check and see what else he has hidden away.
  • Icarus Murph 65 2012/03/31 21:53:09
    Icarus
    +1
    Good stuff. I want to do this too. Among the things I've seen recommended are: Good tools and equipment (as you've mentioned), learn some handy skills, and build good relations with your neighbours. It's practically impossible to survive alone.
  • Murph 65 Icarus 2012/03/31 22:24:49
    Murph 65
    +1
    That's for sure. Although I'm not ready to say armagheddon (spl?) is on the way, I think it's a definite possibility for martial law and looters running rampant. So am prepared for "conveniences" to not be available - water, electricity, etc.- am prepared for looters, and prepared for family to come stay or neighbors if they need to. And if you're a neighbor and want to come over? My suggestion is knock first, because I'm shooting and then taking names.
  • Icarus Murph 65 2012/03/31 22:32:50
    Icarus
    +1
    Yep, and even just for 'normal' emergencies it's useful to be prepared, let alone Armageddon-style events...
  • Murph 65 Icarus 2012/04/01 00:19:44
    Murph 65
    +1
    Yeah. We're pretty blessed where we live - a tornado is rare, rare; thunderstorms, but the last time our area had a worry was in about '98/99 - we had 13 inches that day. Mostly lately we've had drought. And according to the paper, looks like we are going to be unseasonably warm again this year. Yuk.
  • Ken Murph 65 2012/03/30 23:04:08
    Ken
    +1
    At last count Al Gore had made over $100 million with his "carbon credits" scam! He ought to be prosecuted for fraud and thrown in prison.
  • Murph 65 Ken 2012/03/30 23:37:18
    Murph 65
    Works for me. At least people ought to be waking up to what he's doing and costing us.
  • Ken Striker 2012/03/30 23:03:15
    Ken
    +1
    What I find amazing about liberals is that despite the abject failure of every attempt to centrally manage an economy, despite the proven success of our own free market economy, they still feel the need to meddle and force the private companies to produce "green" products. That lib/progs don't trust the free market to produce those products if and when they become necessary is a demonstration that their beliefs are more like religious faith than any demonstrable scientific belief.
  • Striker Ken 2012/03/31 15:52:51 (edited)
    Striker
    Trouble is, I think, that the free market doesn't produce much of anything "for free". And yeah, blind faith is a very last resort. It's kinda like how they try to run governments.
  • Ken Striker 2012/03/30 22:32:56
    Ken
    Another fact that the AGW alarmists ignore is that the Medieval Warm Period was a time of great prosperity, whereas the "Little Ice Age" that followed was anything but - yet they would prefer that earth had never started warming out of the "Llittle Ice Age" and "Maunder Minimum" in the 19th century. Strange!

    graph little ice age maunder minimum
  • Striker Ken 2012/03/30 22:42:16
    Striker
    Whatever, if we don't get rid of Obama, there will be way worse things to deal with than "global warming". Probably, even if we do get rid of him.
  • Icarus Ken 2012/03/31 21:31:42
    Icarus
    Problem with that argument is that we're probably already warmer than the MWP and in danger of a *lot* more - maybe 6°C this century or more.
  • Steve J~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/30 15:50:21
    The evidence mounts and mounts and mounts. . . . .
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    There have been so many reports that show, we are but a tiny piece of what happens, but that means we shouldn't be enslaved and the enslavers don't like that.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/03/30 15:41:12
    This proves nothing because . . . . .
    Kane Fernau
    +2
    Communist greenies want to cripple the American economy.
  • jr 2012/03/30 13:11:21
    The evidence mounts and mounts and mounts. . . . .
    jr
    +2
    If Gore really believed in global warming, he would work to reduce his carbon foot print
  • Murph 65 jr 2012/03/30 18:06:15
    Murph 65
    +1
    Nope, he wants to buy yours from you so he can have more. This guy was an idiot when he was VP and he hasn't changed one iota since.
  • Ken Murph 65 2012/03/30 23:28:56
    Ken
    +1
    al gore dunce

    Gore flunked out of divinity school and the libs listen to him?
  • Murph 65 Ken 2012/03/30 23:38:00
    Murph 65
    Great pic and appreciate the info. Hopefully, he will just fade away and leave us all the heck alone.
  • Rabbit 2012/03/30 04:57:07
    This proves nothing because . . . . .
    Rabbit
    +1
    Just another liberal money maker. They spend their entire lives thinking up scams/sceams to rip-off the very people they claim to be looking out for.

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