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NOT AT ALL. The Congress overstepped its bounds, and it knows it, and so does everybody else. Buying something that your don't want, is not Constitutional no matter how far our stretch the Commence Clause.

Patriot Unit 2012/03/27 16:37:53
Poll Question: Do You Think the Individual Mandate is Constitutional?

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  • __A_YAHOO_USER__ 2012/06/29 00:03:53
    __A_YAHOO_USER__
    +3
    If you read the law regarding using a religious based exemption, the government already guessed people would try this because they require you to not only opt out of the Affordable Health care Act, you must also relinquish any and all present and future participation in social security and Medicare. I have already been working for 30 years of my life and have paid a lot of money into both of those programs so I am screwed, but if I were under 25 years of age, I would opt out of it all and save for my own retirement, and not buy health insurance when young and healthy to save for investments and/or retirement.

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  • __A_YAHOO_USER__ 2012/06/29 00:03:53
    __A_YAHOO_USER__
    +3
    If you read the law regarding using a religious based exemption, the government already guessed people would try this because they require you to not only opt out of the Affordable Health care Act, you must also relinquish any and all present and future participation in social security and Medicare. I have already been working for 30 years of my life and have paid a lot of money into both of those programs so I am screwed, but if I were under 25 years of age, I would opt out of it all and save for my own retirement, and not buy health insurance when young and healthy to save for investments and/or retirement.
  • Freedom4 2012/03/28 01:41:09
    Freedom4
    Look, it is clearly not Constitutional as the Constitution was written and Intended. There are CLEAR measures in the constitution to change the constitution, yet our supreme court and legislature show time and time again, that they have no regard for the constitution and violate it every chance they can. Politicians try to change the meaning of words instead of changing the Constitution as is possible and was clearly intended. The ENTIRE purpose of the constitution was to protect us from an overreaching federal government and preserve our freedoms. This health care mandate is a CLEAR violation of the Constitution and our individual rights, not to mention toe rights of the state. We are becoming a country of mob rule and beating up on minorities instead of a country of the individual and cherished individual rights. The premise our entire country was founded on.

    The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.

    Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not de...
    Look, it is clearly not Constitutional as the Constitution was written and Intended. There are CLEAR measures in the constitution to change the constitution, yet our supreme court and legislature show time and time again, that they have no regard for the constitution and violate it every chance they can. Politicians try to change the meaning of words instead of changing the Constitution as is possible and was clearly intended. The ENTIRE purpose of the constitution was to protect us from an overreaching federal government and preserve our freedoms. This health care mandate is a CLEAR violation of the Constitution and our individual rights, not to mention toe rights of the state. We are becoming a country of mob rule and beating up on minorities instead of a country of the individual and cherished individual rights. The premise our entire country was founded on.

    The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.

    Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not declare bankruptcy for them. We garnish wages, and go after personal assets (Including trusts and any personal assets transferred to a relative within the past 10 years). If there are actual consequences to not having insurance, many more people will carry it. Health care like anything else is only as important to one as they make it. If it is not their priority, why should everyone else be punished?
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  • MadAsHEck 2012/03/27 21:55:45
    MadAsHEck
    Not yet! But I will not be surprised if the SCOTUS makes is OK by allowing Obamacare to go into effect.

    Kagan should have recused herself as she was insttrumental in getting the O'care Law passed. So you think she'll go against her own supported idea?
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/03/27 19:24:36
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Absolutely not!

    And neither are any of the other fourteen ways that this bill violates the Constitution.

    It originated in the Senate, not the House, though it raises revenue.

    It raises and supports another army--the Ready Reserve Corps--with a four-year appropriation, not a two-year.

    It lays a capitation tax on people without apportionment among the States.

    It differentially taxes the exports of the several States.

    Obama was never qualified to sign it anyway, for he is not a natural-born citizen.

    I could go on, and have gone on elsewhere on SH and off. But you get the idea.
  • darcie lamar 2012/03/27 17:57:58
    darcie lamar
    +2
    If the Court upholds Obamacare we have other solutions. We can claim to belong to the groups that don't believe in it. Here is some interesting facts included in the bill. I find it to be unfair to those who would be forced to purchase something they don't want.

    "The new Obamacare legislation that was forced on unwilling Americans this week specifically mandates that we all purchase health insurance. That is, unless you don’t believe in that sort of thing. That’s right, the current health care bill contains a clause which exempts certain individuals form the requirements and penalties set forth in it.


    EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
    In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

    In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
    member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
    or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”

    Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274

    There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does...
    If the Court upholds Obamacare we have other solutions. We can claim to belong to the groups that don't believe in it. Here is some interesting facts included in the bill. I find it to be unfair to those who would be forced to purchase something they don't want.

    "The new Obamacare legislation that was forced on unwilling Americans this week specifically mandates that we all purchase health insurance. That is, unless you don’t believe in that sort of thing. That’s right, the current health care bill contains a clause which exempts certain individuals form the requirements and penalties set forth in it.


    EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
    In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

    In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
    member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
    or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”

    Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274

    There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists".
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  • Temlako... darcie ... 2012/03/27 19:29:16
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    There's just one problem with the above. Your "exempt religious sect or division" must have existed prior to December 31, 1950. I looked it up. This is another way that this bill violates the Constitution: it discriminates among religions.

    My pastor could decide next Sunday to preach against health insurance, on the theory that we should "live in faith." And we'd be out of luck.
  • darcie ... Temlako... 2012/03/27 19:43:12
    darcie lamar
    +1
    Let's say you join the Christian Scientists and they had this ideology before 1950. Wouldn't you be received into the "flock"?
  • Temlako... darcie ... 2012/03/27 20:39:01
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Possibly. Of course, this will really cause a lot of crises of "membership admission conscience" among existing "sect and division" leaders. And I can already see the IRS opening up a new fraud office to specialize in fraudulent "sect and division congregations."
  • darcie ... Temlako... 2012/03/27 21:04:51
    darcie lamar
    +1
    Wicked webs we weave. I also remember reading that quite a few unions are getting to opt out of Obamacare. I'll try to find that information.
  • Temlako... darcie ... 2012/03/27 21:12:01
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    The unions got these "waivers," all of which expire in 2014.

    UH-OHHHHHHHHHHHH!
  • MadAsHEck Temlako... 2012/03/27 21:57:48
    MadAsHEck
    +2
    Well Islam is happy about this.

    Muslims will get to not pay, but still get the care.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/03/27 17:20:22
    Kane Fernau
    +2
    If they can force you to buy health insurance can they make you donate to democrats?
  • MadAsHEck Kane Fe... 2012/03/27 22:00:33
    MadAsHEck
    +1
    No but perhaps they could make you buy a Chevy Volt if this is approved. After all the government owns 26% of GM, so it actually might apply the same as Government supported Health Care.

    Far fetched, but there are always a lot of unintended consequences to these broad laws.
  • beachbum 2012/03/27 16:52:28
    beachbum
    +3
    Congress has overstepped it's bounds on a good # of things - the lifetime perks thing, unlimited ofc/travel expenses, insider trading, etc.
  • Tea in the Harbor 2012/03/27 16:50:40
    Tea in the Harbor
    Yes, it' is constitutional. The government forces us to buy all kinds of things, from pension programs with Social Security to health insurance in Medicare and Medicaid at the federal level and from education services for our kids to auto insurance at the state level.

    The only difference here is that the private sector is making a profit from this one, instead of it coming out of government coffers.
  • USAF Vet Tea in ... 2012/03/27 17:13:53
  • darcie ... Tea in ... 2012/03/27 17:44:08
    darcie lamar
    +1
    We all pay for SS and Medicare if we work. We are not forced to take it. We are not subject to a fine if we opt out of the programs.
  • Tea in ... darcie ... 2012/03/27 17:56:18
    Tea in the Harbor
    You most certainly are subjected to a fine if you work and don't pay, with the exception of the self employed.

    It doesn't happen to individuals because employers take the money before they see it, but a lot of employers have gone to jail or been fined for not complying with the programs.
  • darcie ... Tea in ... 2012/03/27 18:01:12 (edited)
    darcie lamar
    +1
    I said clearly you are not subject to a fine if you don't take SS or Medicaid.
  • Patriot... darcie ... 2012/03/27 18:19:25
    Patriot Unit
    +1
    You do have the right to not take the benifits, But you don't have the option to not pay into the program. I am not disagreeing with you, Just clearifing some. As for either being Constitutional, that is debatable. They were both social engineering programs started and justified by Democrats.
  • Tea in ... darcie ... 2012/03/27 19:38:05
    Tea in the Harbor
    You won't be fined for paying your medical bills yourself and refusing the benefits either.
  • Patriot... darcie ... 2012/03/27 18:16:52
    Patriot Unit
    +1
    The problem is you can't opt out. You are forced to pay into both systems by law. Only Congress can grant you the ability to opt out of either program as fas as paying. If you earn an income you pay the pipper.
  • darcie ... Patriot... 2012/03/27 18:27:52
    darcie lamar
    +1
    An individual worker pays into SS and Medicaid to get a benefit at a certain age. I'm ok with that. Everyone is not forced to pay. Millions are on welfare, millions don't work at all.Do they pay into these programs? I wasn't forced to pay into these programs when I was a stay at home mom living off my savings for a few months. It's a fine line we are discussing.
  • kmay 2012/03/27 16:45:00 (edited)
    kmay
    +2
    Nope! If they can mandate this, they can mandate ANYTHING they want!
  • Demonic Rat Hunter 2012/03/27 16:43:21
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +3
    hell no

    If they make it stick GM will be happy. You can now only buy a chevy volt and the price just tripled.

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