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No where in the bible does it say being homosexual is a sin, and the only places it refers to it is in the old testament in Leviticus, Romans, and Corinthians.

Connor Pope 2009/08/14 22:50:13
I beg everyone read this before they continue as well, totally debunks alot of the Romans Corinthians
http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/globalrights/sexorient/bi...

Firstly may say it is detestable to be homosexual, but no where does it directly say "Being Homosexual is a Sin"

Second of all, any reference to being homosexual as being wrong is in the old testament, in the new testament homosexual doesn't mean being "Gay". Refer to the link above.

Thirdly, "Love Thy Neighbor", it means love everyone, including those who are gay and those who are black, and white, and racist, and hateful (Yes, including Conservatives :P)

Fourthly, the bible specifically says "Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."" , much like the golden rule, if you say being a homosexual is a sin then you to will be judged by others.

Fifthly, if you truly believe in those laws from those books including Leviticus, then surely you HAVE to believe in these, otherwise you will be Proof-testing the bible for your own opinions, which is wrong.

These are the laws from Leviticus, you either believe in them ALL or you don't.

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

Sixthly, it is NATURAL TO BE HOMOSEXUAL. The brain patters of a homosexual are close to the same of that of a heterosexual of the opposite sex. The hormones are much different in a homosexual's brain then that of a heterosexual of the same gender.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080616-gay-br...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7791888/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367848,00.html


Seventhly, it is so natural that even ANIMALS show homosexual tendencies.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_g...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homos...
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5550488/Homos...

A Summary

When one compares the original Hebrew and Greek writings with various English translations of the Bible, discrepancies emerge. There are many passages in English Bibles which clearly condemn same-sex activities. But when the original Hebrew or Greek text is studied, the passages are either ambiguous or are unrelated to consentual homosexuality within a committed relationship. Two words which are often mistranslated in many places in the Hebrew Scriptures are:

* qadesh means a male temple prostitute who engaged in ritual sex; it is often mistranslated as “sodomite” or “homosexual.”
* to’ebah means a condemned foreign Pagan religious cult practice, but often translated as “abomination.”

We have concluded the following:

* The Bible has a lot to say about temple prostitution, including homosexual ritual prostitution. This was a common practice within the Canaanite fertility religion; some believe that the practice was also taken up by some ancient Israelites.
* God’s destruction of town of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality
* The Bible says little about homosexual feelings.
* It says nothing about sexual orientation; the concept of orientation dates only from the late 19th century.
* A number of homosexual relationships are described positively or neutrally in the Bible
* Of the many hundreds of Jesus’ instructions and prohibitions, few have a sexual component and none condemn homosexuality.
* Paul may have condemned same-sex sexual activities by homosexuals, but the passages are unclear; there are many possible interpretations.
* Bible translators must be aware of the errors that have been made in previous versions of the Bible; they are widely discussed in theological literature. But it would probably not be economically possible at this time to produce a translation of the Bible that was accurate. People are so used to expecting homophobic references in a half-dozen locations in scrip

A Caution

The words “homosexual” and “homosexuality” do not appear in the Bible—at least they are absent from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. The authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation; this concept was only developed in the late 19th century. The writers had little or no comprehension of same-sex committed relationships. Their languages had no words for these concepts. Rather, they assumed that everyone was heterosexual, but that some heterosexuals engaged in sex with persons of the same gender. Thus, when you see one of these terms in an English translation of the Bible, it is important to dig deeper and find what the original Hebrew or Greek text really means.
Bible References

In Biblical times, same-gender sexual interactions could take many forms. Some were:

1. kings of conquered tribes were sometimes raped by the invading army as the ultimate symbol of defeat and humiliation. Homosexual rape was also a way of humiliating visitors and strangers. These were acts of power and domination and had nothing in common with consentual sex by gays and lesbians.
2. some non-Jewish tribes in the area had male prostitutes in their temples who ritually engaged in same-sex activities; this horrified the ancient Israelites. Temple prostitution is no longer found in most areas of the world.
3. it was common within the Roman Empire for male adults to keep boy prostitutes for the purpose of sexual activity. The boys were often slaves. In modern times, this is considered child abuse, a criminal offense.
4. it is reasonable to assume that many loving gay and lesbian relationships existed in Biblical times, but these would normally have been conducted in secret.

Only the last type would have any similarity to today’s gay and lesbian consentual, committed, loving relationships.
People’s Beliefs Regarding the Bible

People differ greatly in their view of the Bible:

* Generally speaking, Fundamentalists and other Evangelical Christians believe that:
o the Bible, as originally written, is inerrent (infallible) and that God prevented the authors from making even a single error
o every verse is useful in their understanding of God’s intentions
o one should initially attempt to interpret each passage according to its literal meaning
Many conservative Christians believe that certain translations are essentially free of error; e.g. the King James Version and the New International Version. Thus, when they read some of the passages that clearly and unmistakably condemn homosexuality, they are inclined to trust the translators and conclude that God hates homosexuality. Unfortunately, many groups of translators have been heavily biased against certain people, including Witches, gays and lesbians; many have tended to warp their translations accordingly.
* More liberal Christians tend to look upon the Bible as containing many translation errors, whose verses should not necessarily all be taken at their face value. Sections which accept and regulate slavery, limit the rights of women and condemn homosexuality are some examples.

Each Bible translation reflects the world view, beliefs and mind sets of its translators. Their personal biases distort their work. There is an additional complexity facing translators: today’s society is very different from that of Biblical times. It is sometimes difficult to find a current English word that closely matches a Hebrew or Greek term.

Same-Sex Relationships in the Bible

The Bible describes three emotionally close relationships between two people of the same gender. They appear to have progressed well beyond a casual friendship:

* Ruth and Naomi
* David and Jonathan
* Daniel and Ashpenaz

Daniel’s relationship appears to have been a committed homosexual partnership; the others may or may not have been sexually active.
Conclusions

* There may be as many as three references in the Bible to committed homosexual relationships, none of which was condemned.
* Homosexual activity in the temple by male prostitutes is clearly prohibited by the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).
* Prostitution, both heterosexual and homosexual is generally condemned.
* Sexual abuse of boys by adult males is condemned
* St. Paul considered at least some male and female homosexual acts to be forbidden, but it is unclear precisely which acts are included. He may have been referring to:
o temple prostitution,
o people who are not innately gay, lesbian or bisexual, but who engaged in homosexual acts,
o to child sexual abuse, or
o group sexual orgies.

Paul was certainly aware of sexual orgies in Pagan temples, including both heterosexual and homosexual encounters. He would have been aware of the practice of male adults keeping a boy for sexual purposes. These may have been the only forms of same gender sex that he knew of. He did not appear to make any references in his writings to consentual, committed homosexual relationships. He probably did not know of any.

One should note that Paul also condemned women preaching (1 Cor 14:34) or wearing gold or pearls (1 Tim 2:11). He also accepted and did not condemn the institution of slavery. Many Christians feel that his writings reflect his own prejudices are not a particularly useful guide for ethics and morals in the 20th Century.
* Jesus made many hundreds of statements regarding belief and behavior. However He never mentioned homosexuality.
* It is the subject of endless debate whether St. Paul’s prohibition of at least some homosexual acts was:
o for the people in the vicinity of the Mediterranean during the 1st Century CE, or
o for all people, forever.

One can argue that the ancient Israelites were surrounded by warlike tribes. Their fertility was very important if the group was to survive. The early Christian church was persecuted by the Roman government and by the Jewish religious leaders. Homosexuals tend to have few children; thus their presence would be met with opposition. At the end of the 20th Century, conditions are the exact opposite; we are threatened by our excessive fertility. Perhaps Paul’s criticism of homosexuality is no longer valid, like his various prohibitions against women’s behavior.
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  • Disko Pickle 2009/08/15 01:04:29
    Disko Pickle
    +20
    Sorry, but the Bible is 100% clear that homosexuality is a sin for which the punishment is death. There is no wiggle room on this one. If you want to have an open mind about homosexuality, I'm afraid you're going to have to drop your Christian faith. You can't have it both ways.

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  • Connor ... Brother... 2009/08/18 22:26:18
    Connor Pope
    +2
    I believe it was inspired but inspiration doesn't mean it was exactly what god mean.

    Thank you for being polite as well Brother, it was great to talk with you! I'm sorry if I seemed so (well I am) close minded on the subject as if I wasted your time.
  • Brother... Connor ... 2009/08/18 22:38:19
    BrotherJohn
    +1
    You are welcome my friend, I didn't mean to imply that discussion with you was a waste of time, only that to further this particular discussion would be.
  • Connor ... Brother... 2009/08/18 22:41:28
    Connor Pope
    +2
    Ah ok! I have one question to ask, do you believe in evolution or creationism or a combination of both?
  • Brother... Connor ... 2009/08/18 22:46:19
    BrotherJohn
    +1
    My own personal belief is that God created man through evolution. It seems pretty clear to most Bible Scholars that I have read that the first 11 chapters of Genesis are the recording of oral tradition including the Hebrew creation myth. Myth of course meaning a story that conveys a truth that may or may not in itself be factual. However I am open to the possibility that I may be wrong.
  • Connor ... Brother... 2009/08/18 22:47:13
    Connor Pope
    +2
    I absolutely agree that life began when god let it begin and that through evolution he molded us into what he wanted.
  • Brosia 2009/08/16 06:38:02
    Brosia
    Given that there was no word for homosexuality, how can it be a sin? I did not know that, but I did know that the writers where screwed up.
  • Connor ... Brosia 2009/08/16 14:59:52
    Connor Pope
    +1
    Yes! I realized that when cookie-chan brought it to my attention! It totally changed how I see some of the bible
  • Brosia Connor ... 2009/08/16 21:50:11
    Brosia
    +1
    I think I will spread this with my Christian friend. See how he will wiggle out of this one.
  • Connor ... Brosia 2009/08/16 22:07:20
    Connor Pope
    Haha yes, he will probably say "Oh it is one mans interpretation of the bible" just like the others say and then you should say "Oh but then you are also having an interpretation of the bible" then he will say "No I believe in gods words" and then it will become a circular argument

    Just what I think will happen :P
  • Brosia Connor ... 2009/08/22 07:59:11
    Brosia
    +1
    My brain just exploded from anticipating his actions. Never mind. I want to keep him as a friend.
  • Connor ... Brosia 2009/08/22 13:08:04
    Connor Pope
    +1
    Wow what did he say? I'm curious!
  • Brosia Connor ... 2009/08/22 15:05:38
    Brosia
    +1
    I have decided to keep this to myself for now. I'll let you know when I grow a set large enough to tell him.
  • Connor ... Brosia 2009/08/22 16:41:44
    Connor Pope
    +1
    Haha ok, I'll wait :P
  • desperate4you 2009/08/16 04:33:09
    desperate4you
    +2
    the bible states dat it's a sin, but i don't thing dat others should be judging those who r homo. dat' s God' s job. as long as u let them know dat it is a sin, dat's all God wants. i think.
  • Connor ... despera... 2009/08/16 15:00:17
    Connor Pope
    http://www.worldpolicy.org/pr...

    Homosexuality was never actually in the bible Desperate, read the link, and um... please try to type correctly next time :P
  • despera... Connor ... 2009/08/17 17:57:00
    desperate4you
    yes it is in the bible, it's in the new testament. read ur bible
  • Connor ... despera... 2009/08/17 18:00:01
    Connor Pope
    Yet again, read the link. Or I'll post it for you since you have no idea what I'm talking about

    THE BIBLE AND HOMOSEXUALITY
    from the Ontario Center for Religious Tolerance
    Topics covered in this page are:

    * Summary & Caution
    * Biblical references
    * People’s beliefs about the Bible
    * Verses in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)
    * Verses in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament)
    * Same-sex relationships in the Bible
    * Conclusions
    * Internet & published references

    A Summary

    When one compares the original Hebrew and Greek writings with various English translations of the Bible, discrepancies emerge. There are many passages in English Bibles which clearly condemn same-sex activities. But when the original Hebrew or Greek text is studied, the passages are either ambiguous or are unrelated to consentual homosexuality within a committed relationship. Two words which are often mistranslated in many places in the Hebrew Scriptures are:

    * qadesh means a male temple prostitute who engaged in ritual sex; it is often mistranslated as “sodomite” or “homosexual.”
    * to’ebah means a condemned foreign Pagan religious cult practice, but often translated as “abomination.”

    We have concluded the following:

    * The Bible has a lot to say about temple prostitution, incl...





















































































    Yet again, read the link. Or I'll post it for you since you have no idea what I'm talking about

    THE BIBLE AND HOMOSEXUALITY
    from the Ontario Center for Religious Tolerance
    Topics covered in this page are:

    * Summary & Caution
    * Biblical references
    * People’s beliefs about the Bible
    * Verses in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)
    * Verses in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament)
    * Same-sex relationships in the Bible
    * Conclusions
    * Internet & published references

    A Summary

    When one compares the original Hebrew and Greek writings with various English translations of the Bible, discrepancies emerge. There are many passages in English Bibles which clearly condemn same-sex activities. But when the original Hebrew or Greek text is studied, the passages are either ambiguous or are unrelated to consentual homosexuality within a committed relationship. Two words which are often mistranslated in many places in the Hebrew Scriptures are:

    * qadesh means a male temple prostitute who engaged in ritual sex; it is often mistranslated as “sodomite” or “homosexual.”
    * to’ebah means a condemned foreign Pagan religious cult practice, but often translated as “abomination.”

    We have concluded the following:

    * The Bible has a lot to say about temple prostitution, including homosexual ritual prostitution. This was a common practice within the Canaanite fertility religion; some believe that the practice was also taken up by some ancient Israelites.
    * God’s destruction of town of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality
    * The Bible says little about homosexual feelings.
    * It says nothing about sexual orientation; the concept of orientation dates only from the late 19th century.
    * A number of homosexual relationships are described positively or neutrally in the Bible
    * Of the many hundreds of Jesus’ instructions and prohibitions, few have a sexual component and none condemn homosexuality.
    * Paul may have condemned same-sex sexual activities by homosexuals, but the passages are unclear; there are many possible interpretations.
    * Bible translators must be aware of the errors that have been made in previous versions of the Bible; they are widely discussed in theological literature. But it would probably not be economically possible at this time to produce a translation of the Bible that was accurate. People are so used to expecting homophobic references in a half-dozen locations in scripture that they probably would not buy a Bible that was accurate to the original text, or which admitted that the meanings of certain words are unknown.

    A Caution

    The words “homosexual” and “homosexuality” do not appear in the Bible—at least they are absent from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. The authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation; this concept was only developed in the late 19th century. The writers had little or no comprehension of same-sex committed relationships. Their languages had no words for these concepts. Rather, they assumed that everyone was heterosexual, but that some heterosexuals engaged in sex with persons of the same gender. Thus, when you see one of these terms in an English translation of the Bible, it is important to dig deeper and find what the original Hebrew or Greek text really means.
    Bible References

    In Biblical times, same-gender sexual interactions could take many forms. Some were:

    1. kings of conquered tribes were sometimes raped by the invading army as the ultimate symbol of defeat and humiliation. Homosexual rape was also a way of humiliating visitors and strangers. These were acts of power and domination and had nothing in common with consentual sex by gays and lesbians.
    2. some non-Jewish tribes in the area had male prostitutes in their temples who ritually engaged in same-sex activities; this horrified the ancient Israelites. Temple prostitution is no longer found in most areas of the world.
    3. it was common within the Roman Empire for male adults to keep boy prostitutes for the purpose of sexual activity. The boys were often slaves. In modern times, this is considered child abuse, a criminal offense.
    4. it is reasonable to assume that many loving gay and lesbian relationships existed in Biblical times, but these would normally have been conducted in secret.

    Only the last type would have any similarity to today’s gay and lesbian consentual, committed, loving relationships.
    People’s Beliefs Regarding the Bible

    People differ greatly in their view of the Bible:

    * Generally speaking, Fundamentalists and other Evangelical Christians believe that:
    o the Bible, as originally written, is inerrent (infallible) and that God prevented the authors from making even a single error
    o every verse is useful in their understanding of God’s intentions
    o one should initially attempt to interpret each passage according to its literal meaning
    Many conservative Christians believe that certain translations are essentially free of error; e.g. the King James Version and the New International Version. Thus, when they read some of the passages that clearly and unmistakably condemn homosexuality, they are inclined to trust the translators and conclude that God hates homosexuality. Unfortunately, many groups of translators have been heavily biased against certain people, including Witches, gays and lesbians; many have tended to warp their translations accordingly.
    * More liberal Christians tend to look upon the Bible as containing many translation errors, whose verses should not necessarily all be taken at their face value. Sections which accept and regulate slavery, limit the rights of women and condemn homosexuality are some examples.

    Each Bible translation reflects the world view, beliefs and mind sets of its translators. Their personal biases distort their work. There is an additional complexity facing translators: today’s society is very different from that of Biblical times. It is sometimes difficult to find a current English word that closely matches a Hebrew or Greek term.
    Specific Verses from the Hebrew Scriptures

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    Specific Verses from the Christian Scriptures

    Transferred to a separate file for size reasons.
    Same-Sex Relationships in the Bible

    The Bible describes three emotionally close relationships between two people of the same gender. They appear to have progressed well beyond a casual friendship:

    * Ruth and Naomi
    * David and Jonathan
    * Daniel and Ashpenaz

    Daniel’s relationship appears to have been a committed homosexual partnership; the others may or may not have been sexually active.
    Conclusions

    * There may be as many as three references in the Bible to committed homosexual relationships, none of which was condemned.
    * Homosexual activity in the temple by male prostitutes is clearly prohibited by the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).
    * Prostitution, both heterosexual and homosexual is generally condemned.
    * Sexual abuse of boys by adult males is condemned
    * St. Paul considered at least some male and female homosexual acts to be forbidden, but it is unclear precisely which acts are included. He may have been referring to:
    o temple prostitution,
    o people who are not innately gay, lesbian or bisexual, but who engaged in homosexual acts,
    o to child sexual abuse, or
    o group sexual orgies.

    Paul was certainly aware of sexual orgies in Pagan temples, including both heterosexual and homosexual encounters. He would have been aware of the practice of male adults keeping a boy for sexual purposes. These may have been the only forms of same gender sex that he knew of. He did not appear to make any references in his writings to consentual, committed homosexual relationships. He probably did not know of any.

    One should note that Paul also condemned women preaching (1 Cor 14:34) or wearing gold or pearls (1 Tim 2:11). He also accepted and did not condemn the institution of slavery. Many Christians feel that his writings reflect his own prejudices are not a particularly useful guide for ethics and morals in the 20th Century.
    * Jesus made many hundreds of statements regarding belief and behavior. However He never mentioned homosexuality.
    * It is the subject of endless debate whether St. Paul’s prohibition of at least some homosexual acts was:
    o for the people in the vicinity of the Mediterranean during the 1st Century CE, or
    o for all people, forever.

    One can argue that the ancient Israelites were surrounded by warlike tribes. Their fertility was very important if the group was to survive. The early Christian church was persecuted by the Roman government and by the Jewish religious leaders. Homosexuals tend to have few children; thus their presence would be met with opposition. At the end of the 20th Century, conditions are the exact opposite; we are threatened by our excessive fertility. Perhaps Paul’s criticism of homosexuality is no longer valid, like his various prohibitions against women’s behavior.

    Internet and Published References

    1. For more information on the Sodom, Gammora and Gibeah stories, see: http://student.uq.edu.au/~s10...
    2. For an analysis of some of the references to homosexuality in the Bible, see: http://www.theshop.net/inform...
    This is the home page of Daniel A. Helminiak, Ph.D., author of the book: “What the Bible Really Says about Homosexuality”, Alamo Square Press, San Francisco CA (1994)
    3. Dignity, New York has an extensive “Lesbian, Gay Bisexual Catholic Handbook” which is available at their site: http://www.bway.net/%7Ehalsal...
    4. “New American Bible”, Catholic Book Publishing Co., (1986), P. 249
    5. Anon, “What does Leviticus 18:22 really say?”, National Gay Pentecostal Alliance (NGPA), PO Box 1391, Schenectady NY, 12301-1391 (1996)
    6. Anon, “What does Leviticus 20:13 really say?”, NGPA (1996)
    7. Anon, “Romans 1:26-27”, NGPA (1996)
    8. Anon, “A Biblical Perspective on Same-Sex Marriage”, NGPA, (1994)
    9. Father Basil Isaacs, “Proofx booklet”, Fountain of Life Western Orthodox Church Catholic Mission. Available for $2.50 from 1928 E. Highland, Suite F104-142, Phoenix, AZ 85016.
    10. Barry Wick, “Myths Invoked in Letter”, Editorial, Rapid City Journal, 1997-APR-13


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  • Cookie-chan ~Love Like This~ 2009/08/16 02:12:08
    Cookie-chan ~Love Like This~
    +1
    *applauds* Beautiful Connor! I will bookmark this question! I am pleased to see that there is someone else who sees how other Christians take Leviticus out of context but completely skip around the other stuff and deem it okay, just as long as they are no homosexual. Quite sad.
    http://www.worldpolicy.org/pr... This site is a really big help as well. It studies the translation of the Bible in accordance with homosexuality, Mistranslations are, excuse my language, a bitch. I am very impressed with this breakdown.
    I would like to send you a friend request, if you do not mind. :3
  • Connor ... Cookie-... 2009/08/16 02:18:08 (edited)
    Connor Pope
    +1
    Haha of course you can cookie, I'm always happy to accept new friends!

    Wow I just went to the link and I love it! Thats amazing cookie

    Would it be OK if I used the link?
  • Cookie-... Connor ... 2009/08/16 02:30:45
    Cookie-chan ~Love Like This~
    Absolutely! ^-^ A fellow SH showed me that link. It's been quite useful! :D I would be honored if you used it!
  • Connor ... Cookie-... 2009/08/16 02:31:39
    Connor Pope
    +1
    Thank you Cookie! I just edited up quite alot of my original post, mainly spelling errors. The link is great, helps me alot! Hope you have a wonderful day
  • Cookie-... Connor ... 2009/08/16 02:34:52
    Cookie-chan ~Love Like This~
    +1
    I am glad it was useful to you Connor! You have a wonderful day as well. :3
  • Pete Cookie-... 2009/08/16 10:38:15
    Pete
    No one Christian take Leviticus out of the "Context". The web site you have mention is just men opinion and nothing more than a propaganda to contradict the words of God. . The Bible is plain and clear. Homosexual is a sin. It doesn't matter what you think or say. It doesn't matter what other think or say. It still a sin.That what God say and that's what matter. I am not impressed nor surprise by what men say. These same men are all but deadbone sinner and unbeliever of the Truth. The only Truth you will find on this sinful world is the Holy Bible. You don't believe it? That's Ok, you will someday. You can talk all you want. You can give opinion in any way you wish but you can never beat God words. Never will you be right. Wish you luck in convincing other but you will never convince me. Peace be with you.
  • Cookie-... Pete 2009/08/16 11:31:40
    Cookie-chan ~Love Like This~
    +1
    One: Leviticus was pretty much overthrown by Jesus
    Two: Romans: They said homosexuality was a sin to piss off the Romans because they practiced sodomy in their churches.
    Three: Unless you read the Bible from the original language, how do you know for a fact it is a sin?
  • Brother... Cookie-... 2009/08/16 17:06:52
    BrotherJohn
    So you are saying that Paul lied?
  • Connor ... Brother... 2009/08/16 20:37:16
    Connor Pope
    +1
    Read the link, it will explain why Paul said what he said.

    However if you believe what Paul said then you must also believe slavery is a good think, since Paul never condoned it but said it was a good thing. Read the link

    http://www.worldpolicy.org/pr...
  • Cookie-... Brother... 2009/08/17 02:56:42
    Cookie-chan ~Love Like This~
    I am saying, back then the Christians would attack the Roman practices constantly. Which, if you studied the Bible and the history behind it, you would know.
  • Jeff 2009/08/16 00:00:44
    Jeff
    +1
    In all reality, the ONLY people who really give a shit about this are the Bible thumpers....They need to have someone that they can justify hatred in order to make themselves feel more superior. God created each and every one of us. Yes, even the gay people. These old thumpers will NEVER get rabid about the adulterers....because most of them are adulterers themselves....and according to the Bible, God hates them even more....Wow, he really flips out about the adulterers....And there again its all just personal interpretation,
  • Connor ... Jeff 2009/08/16 01:28:17
    Connor Pope
    +1
    Haha, everytime they say god hates someone because he is homosexual I say "Didn't god also say he loves all his children?"
  • Jeff Connor ... 2009/08/17 23:50:15
    Jeff
    +1
    Yes, You are just as God planned you! You are a child of his and possibly one of his favorite. When the thumpers spread their hate, they are just trying to validate their insecure feeling of being right. Its human nature to want to feel superior to someone else....thats what they need and since the bible has been misquoted over and over again Homosexuals are their target, But as I said before, these fools will not utter a word about adulterers. The punishment was more severe and God and Jesus both were very clear about how they felt about adulterers. Yes, these zelots will NOT say a word. Besides, God told ME that he loved his gay kids and he was not very crazy about those that take his name and claim to be christian when they dont act like it....so we are on his good side.
  • Connor ... Jeff 2009/08/18 01:09:10
    Connor Pope
    I highly respect you Jeff! You are a very smart person :D

    I totally agree with you and what you said was very true,
  • Jeff Connor ... 2009/08/20 00:27:00
    Jeff
    +1
    Thanks little buddy, hang in there and fight the good fight, Justice always wins and the hateful lose.
  • anonymous 2009/08/15 21:58:44
    anonymous
    +1
    Nice try, Connor, but I don't think you're going to get anywhere, and least of all here.

    Sometimes I feel very sorry for God. It is unfun to be quoted out of context, and it happens to Him so very frequently.
  • Connor ... anonymous 2009/08/15 23:19:26
    Connor Pope
    +2
    Haha So true Mr./b/tard
  • Chunky-D 2009/08/15 18:45:13
    Chunky-D
    +2
    Homosexuality is mentioned in the new testament.

    27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved....32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. Romans 1:27,32 (NLT)

    Romans and Corinthians are New Testament Books, written by the Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
    And says Homosexuals are worthy of death. NOT by the hands of men that would be murder. But by the Righteous Judgment of God.

    Jesus said that He fulfilled the Law, But some of the Things God forbade in the old Testament were carried over in the new, as we see in Romans 1:27 Homosexuality was one of them. The Command to not commit such things are still in place. While other things like eating pork or mixing clothing material are no longer in place.(God told Peter to eat a Pig) God alone is God and He has the right to decide what He deems sin and not. It is clear Homosexuality is STILL a sin in the New Testament. And while you are right man has no right to Judge the Homosexual we as Christians are obligated to warn them about God's Judgment if they do not stop such practices and repent.
  • Tom Chunky-D 2009/08/15 19:30:31
    Tom
    +1
    The Bible is NOT God's word. The Bible is words that men SAY, is God's word.

    The Bible is the MOST hateful book ever written.
  • Chunky-D Tom 2009/08/15 19:52:43 (edited)
    Chunky-D
    +1
    Tom. I have studied the Bible for many years. There are 2500 prophecies in the Bible and over 2000 of them have come to pass exactly in the way they said. Things that man could not make happen on their own. like the rebirth of Israel and the Hebrew language for an example. The probability of these prophecies conspiring out of chance are nearly UN calculable a study was done to try and determine the probability of all these prophecies coming to pass simply by chance and the results were staggering, It would be like filling the entire state of Texas four feet deep with Gold coins, then marking one single coin red. Then blind folding yourself, and from the border walk in any direct as long as you wanted to stop bend over and just happen to pick up that one single red coin. people dismiss the Bible but it;s accuracy is proof of it;s Divinity. I myself can not ignore those mind blowing numbers, and anyone with any common sense would also agree. That is part of the reason I know the Bible is really God's word, the other is my own personal experiences it has changed my life. Once you experience it first had you can not deny it's Awesome Power.
  • Tom Chunky-D 2009/08/15 21:48:51
    Tom
    +1
    I don't have anything against a person's religious beliefs, but I think it's all superstition, but if it works for you, so be it.
  • Connor ... Chunky-D 2009/08/16 02:33:50
    Connor Pope
    http://www.worldpolicy.org/pr...

    I suggest you read this chunky
  • Connor ... Chunky-D 2009/08/15 21:54:40
    Connor Pope
    http://www.sodahead.com/quest...

    You are absolutely wrong that it is a sin, why don't you read this

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