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NJ ALJ says "Obama born in Hawaii" with no evidence introduced. Fair or foul?

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In the latest Obama eligibility challenge, an Administrative Law
Judge cleared Obama for the New Jersey Democratic Primary today. The two
men who objected to Obama’s nominating petition vowed to appeal.


Obama eligibility issues

Nick Purpura of Wall Township, NJ, and Ted Moran of Toms River, NJ,
filed their objection Thursday with the New Jersey Board of Elections.
Lawyer Mario Apuzzo of Jamesberg, NJ, delivered the brief and spoke
directly to Robert Giles, Director of Elections. Apuzzo argued Purpura
and Moran’s case today (Tuesday, April 10) at the Office of
Administrative Law in Mercerville. The Elections Division notified the
Obama campaign at once, and they sent their own lawyer, Alexandra Hill,
to appear. Administrative Law Judge (and Associate Director of the OAL)
Jeff Masin presided.


Purpura and Moran objected to Obama appearing on the June 5 Democratic Primary ballot on two grounds:


  1. No one knows exactly who Barack H. Obama is, because he has had
    three different names in life. Furthermore, he has never furnished a
    true copy of his birth certificate to the Secretary of State. So no one
    can be sure that Obama was born in the United States.
  2. Obama’s father was a British colonial subject. He not only was not a
    naturalized citizen on the alleged date of Obama’s birth, but indeed
    never sought naturalization. Therefore Obama could never be a
    natural-born citizen no matter where he was born.

Ms. Hill offered no evidence, but spent her time objecting to the
entire case, to every witness whom Apuzzo called, and every document he
tried to introduce. In every specific case, she said that the documents
were neither originals nor certified copies. More generally, she said
repeatedly that New Jersey law did not obligate Obama in any way to
prove that he was eligible to the office of President. The only grounds
for challenging a nominating petition, said Hill, were whether the
petitions were in the proper form, all who signed were registered
voters, no voter signed more than one petition, whether the campaign
gathered enough signatures, etc.


Apuzzo countered that the New Jersey Constitution and at least one case on point (Strother, 6 NJ @ 565), obliged the Secretary of State to find affirmatively whether a given candidate was qualified for the office he or she sought, or not.


A surprise admission
Mario Apuzzo, arguing the latest Obama eligibility challenge

Mario Apuzzo walks toward the Office of Administrative Law with his two clients. Photo: CNAV.


About two-thirds of the way through the hearing, Hill admitted in open court something that no lawyer for the Obama campaign has ever admitted. Obama never furnished a true copy of his birth certificate to the New Jersey Secretary of State. Furthermore, the PDF file that the White House has served to the Internet since April 27, 2012, is not relevant to the case in any way.


Hill conceded this point after Apuzzo tried to call Brian Wilcox, an
expert document analyst. He was ready to show that no one could rely on
the PDF file as a substitute for a hard-copy long-form birth
certificate. But Judge Masin said at once that neither he nor Secretary
of State Kim Guadagno had ever seen a birth certificate, whether on
paper, as a PDF file, or on the Internet. He told Apuzzo that calling
Wilcox would be “premature.”


Then Masin turned to Hill and asked her directly:


Is it your legal position that the document on the Internet is irrelevant to this case?


Hill replied, “Yes.” Masin then asked:


And indeed you concede that Mr. Obama has not produced an alleged birth certificate to the Secretary of State.


Hill at first said, “It has been released nationally,” but then
admitted that she did not know personally that Obama had given any such
document to the Secretary of State, nor did she intend giving such a
document to the court today. But she also argued, after Judge Masin
asked her repeatedly, that Obama need not produce any evidence at all.


Apuzzo told CNAV during a recess in the hearing that this
was the most stunning thing that any lawyer for Obama had ever admitted,
in an Obama eligibility case or in any other case. When the hearing
finally adjourned at 12:30 p.m., Apuzzo was confident of prevailing on
this point. He observed that Hill, after objecting to everything that
Apuzzo tried to introduce into evidence, offered no evidence on her own behalf and even admitted that the infamous PDF document was legally worthless.


A shocking turnabout
Judge Jeff Masin heard the Obama eligibility case in New Jersey

The Hon. Jeff Masin presides at the latest Obama eligibility hearing. Photo: CNAV


But the judge shocked Apuzzo when, at about 7:30 p.m., he called
Apuzzo to tell him that the Obama campaign had prevailed on both points.
Said the judge, according to Apuzzo:


As far as I’m concerned, Obama was born in Hawaii.


Apuzzo could not explain how Judge Masin could rule that way, after
observing in open court that neither Obama nor his surrogates had shown
that he was born in Hawaii.

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/11 11:57:09
    Foul
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +23
    This is amazing. The embedded video has the highlight of the hearing: when the Obama lawyer *conceded* (the judge's word, not hers, nor mine) that she was there to offer *no* evidence of Obama's qualifications. She brazenly said that a Presidential candidate doesn't have to offer a thing! And the judge accepted that!

    "We don't have any birth certificate. We don't need a birth certificate! WE DON'T NEED TO SHOW YOU ANY STINKIN' BIRTH CERTIFICATE!"

    One small favor: now an Obama team lawyer has said in open court that the PDF file, that they are pleased to call "his birth certificate," has no evidentiary value and is not worth submitting to any official in charge of elections.

    This case is ripe for appeal, and is going for an appeal.

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  • T J "Shoote... 2012/04/12 04:35:42
    T J
    Wow. That's your evidence? lol
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/04/12 00:44:41
    Fair
    Kaleokualoha
    +3
    The President is under no obligation to satisfy idle curiosity, because the certificate supplied years ago was legally sufficient. The "short form" certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records" (see http://www.state.gov/document... ) H

    is short form certificate (posted online) was authenticated by the Hawaii Department of Health (see http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... ), yet those on the lunatic fringe still dispute its authenticity (see http://www.politifact.com/tru... ).

    The United States Senate adopted a resolution (S Res 225) declaring that “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.” It is identical to language the House approved, 378-0, in a separate resolution (H Res 593). (See http://www.govtrack.us/congre... and http://www.govtrack.us/congre...

    Hawaii announced that the original BC was inspected, then Hawaii sent Obama a copy for public release. A conspiracy, as claimed by Birthers, would requre the Republican Governor and the head of the Hawaii Department of He...




























    The President is under no obligation to satisfy idle curiosity, because the certificate supplied years ago was legally sufficient. The "short form" certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records" (see http://www.state.gov/document... ) H

    is short form certificate (posted online) was authenticated by the Hawaii Department of Health (see http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... ), yet those on the lunatic fringe still dispute its authenticity (see http://www.politifact.com/tru... ).

    The United States Senate adopted a resolution (S Res 225) declaring that “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.” It is identical to language the House approved, 378-0, in a separate resolution (H Res 593). (See http://www.govtrack.us/congre... and http://www.govtrack.us/congre...

    Hawaii announced that the original BC was inspected, then Hawaii sent Obama a copy for public release. A conspiracy, as claimed by Birthers, would requre the Republican Governor and the head of the Hawaii Department of Health to conspire. Such claims suggest paranoid schizophrenia.

    Further, his birth certificate was confirmed by both the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the Director of the State Department of Health: "In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:

    "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
    - http://www.usatoday.com/news/...

    "In an interview with WABC Radio in New York, Governor Lingle said the state’s health director personally viewed Obama’s birth record. “The president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii,” she said on air. “And that’s just a fact.” According to the certification of live birth (which is considered the same as a birth certificate, legally), he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. - http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...

    "As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

    The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

    Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.

    "It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked.

    Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department."
    - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4...

    By releasing his short-form BC, Obama proved his birth in Hawaii in accordance with Federal standards and beyond any reasonable doubt. In denying his birth in Hawaii, Birthers must claim not only that the President if lying, but also that the United States Senate is wrong, the United States House of Representatives is wrong, the Governor of the State of Hawaii is wrong, and the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health is wrong. To demand additional proof, above and beyond Federal requirements, suggests an ulterior motive. Perhaps Birthers just don't like attorneys or Harvard grads, but historical patterns suggest a more sinister motivation.

    Despite conclusive evidence from the State of Hawaii confirming Obama's birth (http://hawaii.gov/health/vit... ), confirmation by both houses of Congress, and despite rejection from mainstream conservatives, the lunatic fringe still challenges his eligibility.

    Delusion #1 claims that Obama is ineligible because he was not born in the United States, and the State of Hawaii certified birth certificate is a forgery. Delusion #2 claims that Obama is ineligible because his father was not an American. Delusion #3 claims that Obama is ineligible because he lost his American citizenship as a child. Delusion #4 claims that Frank Marshall Davis is actually Obama's father.

    Such delusional thinking is common among the paranoid-schizophrenic denizens of Right-Wing Fantasyland (see http://kaleokualoha2878577.ne...

    "Falsehoods not only disagree with truths, but usually quarrel among themselves."
    - Daniel Webster, American, Statesman Quotes
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  • Ron_Dayvoo Kaleoku... 2012/04/12 00:51:02
    Ron_Dayvoo
    +3
    He has a huge problem with the second one and whomever signs his OCON from the DNC will have an even larger one.
  • Kaleoku... Ron_Dayvoo 2012/04/12 03:52:21
    Kaleokualoha
    +1
    Au contraire! He has NO problem with either one. Only the paranoid schizophrenic Birthers of Right Wing Fantasyland have problems with his birth certificate. The fact that Birthers are rejected by leading conservatives suggests Birthers are on the lunatic fringe, along with Truthers, Holocaust Deniers, and the Flat Earth Society.
  • RogerCoppock 2012/04/12 00:31:41 (edited)
    Fair
    RogerCoppock
    +4
    Birthers need help, serious help.

    There were over 100, birther suits nationally.
    How can we recover the tax money waisted?
  • Ron_Dayvoo RogerCo... 2012/04/12 01:01:36
    Ron_Dayvoo
    +2
    Only one has to make it through to discovery.
  • RogerCo... Ron_Dayvoo 2012/04/12 03:39:30
    RogerCoppock
    Good, that means fewer tax dollars wasted.
  • socokid 2012/04/12 00:08:14
    Fair
    socokid
    +4
    LOL

    Birthers are awesome crazy. Love it.
  • socokid socokid 2012/04/12 03:01:14 (edited)
    socokid
    +1
    admitted in open court something that no lawyer for the Obama campaign has ever admitted.
    LOL

    1. Obama never furnished a true copy of his birth certificate to the New Jersey Secretary of State.
    Exactly. Because "New Jersey law did not obligate Obama in any way to prove that he was eligible to the office of President." Which "she [the judge] said repeatedly".

    *sigh*

    2. Furthermore, the PDF file that the White House has served to the Internet since April 27, 2012, is not relevant to the case in any way.
    It's not! Never was! Never was meant to be, and no one with half a brain would have thought as much. It was released as a scan to PDF in digital format on the internet for no other reason that to satisfy crazy people. None. It was never meant to be a legal document. That would be insane to suggest. LOL...
  • Ron_Dayvoo 2012/04/12 00:05:46
    Foul
    Ron_Dayvoo
    +6
    What, did John Corzine find some of that missing money?
    Phone call from Uncle Rahm in Chitcago?
  • texasred 2012/04/12 00:04:00
    Foul
    texasred
    +7
    Bought and paid for by Soros, Obama, Holder and Axelrod.
  • Nick Name 2012/04/11 23:48:12 (edited)
    Undecided
    Nick Name
    +1
    I don't understand the question.

    I thought Obama already won the Democratic party nomination earlier this month.

    Is this just more bureaucratic nonsense?
  • ed 2012/04/11 23:37:30
    Undecided
    ed
    +3
    With no evidence I could say he was [obama] born on another planet far from our solar system and the family space ship ran into trouble crash landed on our planet and he was the only survivor.
  • Nick Name ed 2012/04/11 23:49:31
    Nick Name
    But WHICH planet ......................?
  • ed Nick Name 2012/04/11 23:54:32
    ed
    +2
    one that is far far away,we can call it the planet SOROS,that doesn't sound to tacky does it?
  • Nick Name ed 2012/04/12 01:50:01
    Nick Name
    We should ask George Soros first. According to what the paranoids say about him here, if we piss him off we'll die unexpectedly from sudden accidents. And NOBODY will ask questions.
  • ed Nick Name 2012/04/13 00:00:17
    ed
    +1
    piss on george soros,I want him pissed off more than ever.
  • Kaleoku... Nick Name 2012/04/12 00:35:42
    Kaleokualoha
    Perhaps the planet Krypton or Vulcan. Take your choice.
  • Nick Name Kaleoku... 2012/04/12 01:55:09 (edited)
    Nick Name
    I'm just guessing, but this days he might prefer Vulcan.

    http://www.themarysue.com/wp-...

    Won't display Pres with Nichelle Nichols..... obviously indicative of a conspiracy of some kind.
  • Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA 2012/04/11 23:35:58
    Foul
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    Administrative Law Judge Jeff Masin, with no evidence what so ever arbitrarily chooses to claim that Barry Obama was born in Hawaii. That's even more strange than the Georgia judge last March, that at least fabricated his own irrelevent "evidence" from an out of state court adjudication that occured before Barry even released his "Not Quite Birth Certificate PDF file a year ago.

    At least now that Maricopa County Sheriff's Office has proven that Barry's PDF fabrication is in fact a fabrication and NOT (according to the Whitehouse attorney) "a legal document".

    So it seems that we are making headway!
  • Nick Name Adakin ... 2012/04/11 23:51:33
    Nick Name
    +1
    Uh? Ten years after Obama's second term the birther kooks will still be claiming 'progress' and 'headway'.
  • Adakin ... Nick Name 2012/04/12 00:26:19
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    And the problem with that is what? We are 50+ years after the Kennedy assasination and folks are still debating the grassy knoll. So what's your point? A cover up, is still a cover up. The law used to be The Law.
  • Nick Name Adakin ... 2012/04/12 02:01:39
    Nick Name
    That birthers believe obvious bullsh!t. Part of their sick need to not let go is to try to get Pres. Obama out of office.
    This would be even more insane if they were trying it a decade after Obama had finished his second term.
  • Adakin ... Nick Name 2012/04/12 03:37:23 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Nicky, why don't you try contesting the claims made by these 'insane Birthers' instead of simply resorting to ad-hominem attacks on their character? Or is it that you would rather have "faith" instead of have "facts"?

    Why not dispute the claims of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department investigators that have found numerous disparities in Barry's history. Why not dispute that his mom was in Mombassa Kenya from March '61 through August '61, or that airlines back then (and now) don't like to have late term pregnant women on their long distance flights (especially ones over wide expanses of ocean).

    Why don't you despell the fact that only on week of flight passenger manifest records are missing from the National Archives over a four year period of all passengers flying into Honolulu and that one week just coincidently was the first week in August of 1961. The same week Barry was allegedly born there. And of course we all know about Barry's now debunked birth certificate. Even his own attorney didn't want to defend it in a New Jersey court last week. She said it had no legal validity.

    So instead of discussing the sanity of Birthers, why not give a shot at dispelling some of the overwelming evidence that is growing that supports the "he wasn't born here" claim.

    BTW - ther...
    Nicky, why don't you try contesting the claims made by these 'insane Birthers' instead of simply resorting to ad-hominem attacks on their character? Or is it that you would rather have "faith" instead of have "facts"?

    Why not dispute the claims of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department investigators that have found numerous disparities in Barry's history. Why not dispute that his mom was in Mombassa Kenya from March '61 through August '61, or that airlines back then (and now) don't like to have late term pregnant women on their long distance flights (especially ones over wide expanses of ocean).

    Why don't you despell the fact that only on week of flight passenger manifest records are missing from the National Archives over a four year period of all passengers flying into Honolulu and that one week just coincidently was the first week in August of 1961. The same week Barry was allegedly born there. And of course we all know about Barry's now debunked birth certificate. Even his own attorney didn't want to defend it in a New Jersey court last week. She said it had no legal validity.

    So instead of discussing the sanity of Birthers, why not give a shot at dispelling some of the overwelming evidence that is growing that supports the "he wasn't born here" claim.

    BTW - there is a Hawaiian statute that allows that state to provide a U.S. citizen mother with a Hawaiian Birth Cirtificate for their child that was born overseas. So just by virtue of that law on the books, negates the "if there's a birth certificate, he was born here" argument. http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
    and http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
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  • Nick Name Adakin ... 2012/04/12 06:31:37
    Nick Name
    Every claim by every birther has been contested. Sometimes in court.
    NOTHING has held up.
    And for any group of people to keep pushing something that is such OBVIOUS CRAP is a sign of twisted character. There is clearly CLEARLY something wrong with their character

    Birthers must have something wrong with their brain chemistry. Like heroin addicts or stalkers. They really can't let go. Its too much a part of their lives. Too much part of who they are.

    At best, to be kind, it is an illness.
    And you're not really entitled to act offended and indignant when you're doing something that is just so morally repugnant and damned stupid.
  • Adakin ... Nick Name 2012/04/12 13:44:08
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    Nicky says: "Every claim by every Birther has been contested. Sometimes in court. NOTHING has held up."

    Nicky, you are repeating yourself. Please provide specific citation or examples of a Birther claim that has been successfully contested.

    Did you actually READ the article posted above?

    The judge simply IGNORED the facts presented.

    Obama's Attorney ADMITTED that the internet "birth certificate" that Barry claims as his "certified" BC has no legal value.

    Where do you get your information that ANY of these facts have been contested?

    You only speak of vague generalities.

    Nicky says: "Birthers must have something wrong with their brain chemistry. Like heroin addicts or stalkers. They really can't let go."

    Sir, please provide SPECIFIC details of where the Birther claims have been debunked. How about the issues I listed in my post above...

    All you've been able to successfully accomplish is to provide uninformed ad-hominem personal attacks.

    Where are YOUR facts? Like the case described above, the judge never addressed the facts presented, they simply ruled based on NO EVIDENCE AT ALL as in this New Jersey case. In the recent Georgia case, the Judge claimed that none of the "experts" that provided forensic computer analysis of the fraudulent birth certificate were...

    Nicky says: "Every claim by every Birther has been contested. Sometimes in court. NOTHING has held up."

    Nicky, you are repeating yourself. Please provide specific citation or examples of a Birther claim that has been successfully contested.

    Did you actually READ the article posted above?

    The judge simply IGNORED the facts presented.

    Obama's Attorney ADMITTED that the internet "birth certificate" that Barry claims as his "certified" BC has no legal value.

    Where do you get your information that ANY of these facts have been contested?

    You only speak of vague generalities.

    Nicky says: "Birthers must have something wrong with their brain chemistry. Like heroin addicts or stalkers. They really can't let go."

    Sir, please provide SPECIFIC details of where the Birther claims have been debunked. How about the issues I listed in my post above...

    All you've been able to successfully accomplish is to provide uninformed ad-hominem personal attacks.

    Where are YOUR facts? Like the case described above, the judge never addressed the facts presented, they simply ruled based on NO EVIDENCE AT ALL as in this New Jersey case. In the recent Georgia case, the Judge claimed that none of the "experts" that provided forensic computer analysis of the fraudulent birth certificate were "not court certified" experts. But two weeks later, Maricopa County Sheriff's Department's "Court Certified" experts presented exactly the same evidence and made exactly the same claim that the document Barry presented IS A LIE. And now, the President's own attorney refused to defend his own internet BC.

    So again, please show us who really is lacking something in our "brain chemistry" by providing specific details and examples of successfully debunked Birther issues.
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  • Nick Name Adakin ... 2012/04/12 16:00:57
    Nick Name
    YOU ARE SICK. Your rant just further illustrates that you are in so deep you can't see anything.
    Please, regardless of what you think about anything or anyone, PLEASE have a conversation with a doctor about your 'beliefs' concerning Obama's birth certificate.
    Emphasis how important it is to you. How important it is to everyone.
    That it will always be important.
    Even decades after Obama is no longer president.

    Please, please just have that conversation.
  • Adakin ... Nick Name 2012/04/12 18:22:11
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    I do so appreciate your concern for my health and well being. I just wish you were as equally concerned with upholding the law and our Constitution. Have a nice day as you keep your head buried in the sand.
  • Nick Name Adakin ... 2012/04/12 23:38:48
    Nick Name
    So the people that don't believe this birther nonsense are the ones who refuse to see the truth?
    Seriously, you are sick.
  • Adakin ... Nick Name 2012/04/13 02:14:46
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Please Nicky, why can't you simply debate the issues.

    What’s with the constant personal attacks?

    Your avatar indicates that you should be old enough to act like an adult, but you keep showing that your inability to contest any of the Birther claims, or reasoning or litigation.

    Your sole reason in life is to insult and belittle people that haven’t consumed the kool-aid like you have.

    Why not look at the claims that Birthers have proposed and dispute them? If there is documented evidence that Barry's mom was in Mombassa Kenya in March 1961 and she didn't return until August 1961, why isn’t it a reasonable assumption that an airline company (that was using propellers back in 1961) would allow a late term pregnant woman to board their long distance flight over Open Ocean? Because none of the airlines allow that today.

    Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to suspect that she actually could have flown back to the U.S. with her newborn child?

    Of course if she had done so, the INS records would have shown that, don’t ya’ think?

    Well, the investigators at the MCSO have thought the same thing… in fact, there’s a government agency that maintains historic archives and records of all flights and the passenger manifests in and out of the country, showing who was on them.
    ...


















    Please Nicky, why can't you simply debate the issues.

    What’s with the constant personal attacks?

    Your avatar indicates that you should be old enough to act like an adult, but you keep showing that your inability to contest any of the Birther claims, or reasoning or litigation.

    Your sole reason in life is to insult and belittle people that haven’t consumed the kool-aid like you have.

    Why not look at the claims that Birthers have proposed and dispute them? If there is documented evidence that Barry's mom was in Mombassa Kenya in March 1961 and she didn't return until August 1961, why isn’t it a reasonable assumption that an airline company (that was using propellers back in 1961) would allow a late term pregnant woman to board their long distance flight over Open Ocean? Because none of the airlines allow that today.

    Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to suspect that she actually could have flown back to the U.S. with her newborn child?

    Of course if she had done so, the INS records would have shown that, don’t ya’ think?

    Well, the investigators at the MCSO have thought the same thing… in fact, there’s a government agency that maintains historic archives and records of all flights and the passenger manifests in and out of the country, showing who was on them.

    That same Arizona sheriff’s department checked that out too. They discovered that for the two years before, and the two years after the first week in August 1961 (Barry was allegedly born on August 4, 1961), all the National Archival and Records Administration’s (NARA) files were intact and complete, all except for that first week in August 1961. That week's files are all missing.

    Also coincidently, a person that has a long history of doing the internal vetting of high value candidates for the Democrat Party just happened to have signed into the NARA building in Maryland in 2008 and spent an unsupervised hour in that building before signing out.

    Odd, don’t you think? Sorta like its odd that Barry wouldn’t want any one to see his birth certificate for three years, and then provides us with a phony one?

    And with the over three dozen professional computer experts that have claimed that Obama's internet BC is NOT the result of a scanned document, as claimed, but is instead a computer fabrication. Why not dispute their evidence? Every court in which these "experts" attempted to provide testimony, the judge said that the expert was not 'certified'. But the experts that work for the sheriffs department in AZ ARE certified and have had many cases where the courts there recognized their testimony. So now, in NJ, Obama's attorney now claims that she cannot defend his claimed internet BC.

    Did you also know that Hawaii law would permit a child born overseas to an American citizen could obtain a “certified” Hawaiian Birth Certificate? I bet you didn’t know that either, did ya Nicky. Pretty sick huh? If an American cannot return to the U.S. because of a late term pregnancy, and has to have the baby where ever in the world she is… she can ask the INS for a specific form, usually from the local U.S. Consulate in whatever country she is stuck in, and get the right documentation to allow the new baby to enter the U.S. when the mom returns. Of the several dozen “Certificates of Citizenship” forms that the INS gives to people in that situation, in the last half of 1961, only one such form was requested and issued to an American by the U.S. Consulate in Nairobi Kenya.

    The Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has filed several FOIA requests with both the INS and the State Dept for a copy of that application form… and all such requests have been ignored.

    Why is that Nicky?

    So instead of discussing facts, details and evidence you choose to act like a child and belittle your opponent with ad-hominem personal attacks.

    Is THAT your ONLY alternative? If so, then it appears you have not disputed any of the evidence. YOU… like the New Jersey judge… have simply chosen to ignore the facts, ignore the evidence and proceed directly to your preconceived bias without any support from Obama's defense attorney because she didn't provide any.

    So please go look in a mirror and see who really is the sick one here.
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  • Nick Name Adakin ... 2012/04/13 02:19:08
    Nick Name
    Not going to debate non existent issues with a severely delusional person.
    They longer you push these 'ideas' the more it just becomes a display of symptoms.

    bye bye
  • Adakin ... Nick Name 2012/04/13 02:41:32
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    Ah-ha! It looks like acting like a child and belittling your opponents with ad-hominem personal attacks WAS your only alternative!

    Just as I thought... All hat and no cattle.
  • Diana Adakin ... 2012/04/12 04:00:12
    Diana
    +1
    Good point.
  • Adakin ... Diana 2012/04/12 13:46:40
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    Thanks Diana!
  • Ejayt7 2012/04/11 22:51:12
    Undecided
    Ejayt7
    +2
    Leaving all color aside, this birth certificate's business still looks fishy to me. I am not satisfied with the results.
  • "Shoote... Ejayt7 2012/04/12 00:47:27
    "Shooter" ™
    +2
    Me neither.
  • akhippie 2012/04/11 22:16:18 (edited)
    Foul
    akhippie
    +2
    This one is a no brainer, Judge Masin got a call from the White House, end of story. And as long as obama has the power at his disposal, the story will always end this way, everybody with any common sense standing there with a puzzled look on there face going what the?
  • Marty9957 2012/04/11 22:00:35
    Foul
    Marty9957
    +4
    There will be a constitutional amendment requiring the picture I.D. It will just take what ever length of time it takes for us to gain a majority in both houses of congress and get 3/4 of the states to ratify it. The Democrats can't help themselves, they keep adding more fuel to the fire every time they cheat.
  • gr8American 2012/04/11 21:58:52
    Fair
    gr8American
    +8
    I find it ridiculous that birtherism is still around, make no mistake... this would not be an issue if the President were white even if he was as worthless as Bush was.
  • YouSirName 2012/04/11 21:52:03
    Fair
    YouSirName
    +4
    "In all challenges, the objector has the burden of proving that a nomination petition is invalid."

    The challenge failed because the objectors did not prove that the President is inelegible. As simple as that.

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