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New York Times says there's NO CRISIS in Gaza after all

Raven September 13, 2010 04:35:01

Media analyst Tom Gross points out the New York Times and other media outlets are suddenly singing a very different tune when it comes to the "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza.

"Since the existence of fancy restaurants, crowded food markets for ordinary Gazans, Olympic size swimming pools, and other signs of prosperity in Gaza, were revealed," he writes, "there has also been a noticeable and dramatic reduction in the number of newspaper reporters and commentators talking of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, let alone of 'starvation.'"

For instance, in a recent piece on the Gaza mall, New York Times reporter Ethan Broner wrote that “the poverty of Gaza is often misconstrued, willfully or inadvertently… The flotilla movement is not about material aid; it is about Palestinian freedom and defiance.”

Nevertheless, Gross reminds us, on at least 15 occasions the The New York Times has described the ships as "aid ships."

The mall article also quotes 22-year-old information technology student Nida Wishah saying that "Gaza is not poor in the way outsiders think. You can’t compare our poverty with that of Africa."

Similarly, a Time Magazine reporter wrote last month that “Gaza’s residents will concede that there is no hunger crisis in the Strip. Residents do love the beach, and the store shelves are stocked. But if you’re focused on starvation, they say, you’re probably missing the point.”

Asks Gross: "Could this be the same Time magazine that wrote in 2008:

'Please spare a thought for the starving Palestinians of Gaza. There are 1.5 million of them, most of them living hand to mouth.'”

2008 spare starving palestinians gaza 1 5 living hand mouth

More: http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/arc...

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  • grok70 September 16, 2010 22:33:39
  • Raven grok70 September 17, 2010 03:53:53
    Raven
    +4
    I don't know if you would love your neighbor if they were sending rockets into your state for 8 years and used to send in people who would blow themselves up just to kill your citizens. Why should the Israelis love the Gazans? I think the Israelis are more fair to the Gazans than the US would be to Mexico under the exact same circumstances.
  • grok70 Raven September 17, 2010 13:26:27
    grok70
    +1
    One crime does not excuse another.
  • Raven grok70 September 20, 2010 05:32:53 (edited)
    Raven
    +3
    True, but

    "...You can have all the dreams you like, but when you're dreaming you're not awake. And when you wake up you realize your dream has very little in common with reality." Golda Meir
  • Moe435 grok70 September 21, 2010 06:21:49
    Moe435
    +4
    Hmmm ...since when is self defense a crime?!

    And nothing compared how any of these Islamist Arab countries treat their very own...especially when it comes to rules of engagement...for starters search "Black September" how Jordan took care of their "Palestinian Problem"! And not to mention how HamAss treats their opponents Fatha! black september jordan care palestinian mention hamass treats opponents fatha
  • Chaya2010 Moe435 September 21, 2010 10:19:50 (edited)
    Chaya2010
    +2
    "I devote my life to the rebirth of the Jewish State, with a Jewish majority, on both sides of the Jordan."

    -Ze'ev Jabotinsky z"l

    zionism iron wall realize alternative accept jewish settlement zeev jabotinsky
  • alaa bu... Moe435 May 08, 2011 14:15:09
    alaa burhan
    +3
    Black September was a Nixon America arming and instigating K.Hussein CIA Agent and Jewish state in Palestine to secure safe borders to Jews + puppet regime in Jordan holding Palestinians imprisoned, result >30 thousand Palestinians slaughtered (Can't be forgotten!). Markt Americans: Black September! Made by US and Co.

    Fatah, formerly, in your piggish eye "terrorists making as state in a state in Jordan and Lebanon!" fooled by your piggish Oslow treason and your Dayton plan had been stopped of turning Palestinians to traitors in Gaza.

    I guess you are a Jew, this is how you have been selling forgery and fake, you are good at fabricating lies, you used K. Abdullah #1 to annex, evacuate rename part of Palestine (system to wipe the name Palestine) West bank, Egyptians do the same with Gaza, and once K. Abdullah #1 was killed for treason your Golda Meir said: ..killing their leader for making peace.
    The whole region will suffer more massacre atrocities and destruction as long as this Jewish entity exists in Palestine. We have learned the lesson.
    Hope the Americans broadcast Black September from a non piggish view (Black September revisited, also Lebanon War 1975) then there would be no more hate for Americans and no chance for forgery and fake like this caricature! How about a caricature of the up-to-date arsenal you evaporated the Gazan wretched people with it!
  • Raven alaa bu... May 09, 2011 05:30:39
    Raven
    +1
    I guess you are a racist. No. You ARE a racist!
  • jean alaa bu... June 07, 2011 00:37:16
    jean
    +2
    If your muslim country is so great why are you living in Germany (the west)?
  • alaa bu... jean June 22, 2011 09:35:31
    alaa burhan
    typical piggish way of argument! never mind my religion and where i live! I know You want me to be a pan zionist traitor to call me liberal or moderate or else living in your collaborators prisons!
  • jean alaa bu... June 22, 2011 09:43:14
    jean
    +1
    Never mind my religion or where I live? . Collaborators prisons?? What you are talking about? What is a typical piggish way of argument?
  • Moe435 jean July 27, 2011 01:06:08
    Moe435
    +3
    Hmm LOL you will never get a straight answer for THAT one!! LoL
  • jean alaa bu... June 20, 2011 18:01:20
    jean
    +3
    Gazans are doing a great job of hurting themselves. The other Arab nations won't even want Palestinians.
  • alaa bu... jean June 22, 2011 09:40:25
    alaa burhan
    it's your own making traitors like hussein mubarak assad maronites on whose treachery you feed this gloating! "We don't negotiate with terorists! we negotiate with traitors like Hussein and Mubarak!" It's over, soo we will bring you to justice for this global atrocities!
  • Moe435 alaa bu... July 27, 2011 01:05:18
    Moe435
    +2
    I hope YOU yourself believe your nonsense crap of conspiracies ...Its amazing how vulnerable Arab/Islamists are to ANY silly conspiracy out there!!
  • Moe435 alaa bu... July 27, 2011 01:02:08
    Moe435
    +3
    Like suuure, the only problem the Mid East has got is "Israel" LOL You gotta be kidding, every single country out there is a dictatorship, suppressing their very own! All demonstrations, uprisings, etc. will still not bring it it to a true democracy, Arabs will always end up with another dictator..but so far they are still doing a wonderful job - i.e. by blaming the one N only responsible for ALL their misery....yep...ISRAEL!!
  • alaa bu... Moe435 August 03, 2011 11:51:29
    alaa burhan
    true Israel is the root of all evil!
  • Moe435 alaa bu... December 09, 2011 03:49:01
    Moe435
    +1
    Uh huh! the world was all perfectly fine...until....the "Evil Zionist Empire" emerged!! Hoooray! For figuring that out, genius!!
  • Chaya2010 grok70 September 21, 2010 09:45:55
    Chaya2010
    +3
    Your country got 9/11 and bombed Iraq back to the stone age 1,000,000 dead and are now in Afghanistan. Do you think that is a reasonable response? Do you think that a government has a right to protect its citizens and country from attack?

    Israel received over eight years of rockets 14,000 raining down on it. Do you find this acceptable? Do you speak to a people whose very charter and constitution wants your destruction?
    http://www.mideastweb.org/ham...
    http://www.mideastweb.org/fat...

    Do you think it is acceptable to to have your buses, malls, cafes, restaurants blown up AFTER you offer peace and 97% of land?

    Do you think it is exceptable to have a security fence to protect you from such murder and mayhem, if not why not?

    Do you think it is acceptable that a state in the hope of peace ethnically cleanse Jews from their own land, leave green houses, fertile land only to get 600+ rockets fired into over six months into your civilian towns acceptable? How do you propose dealing with it?

    This is where I differ from my dear friends - I will never apologise for Israelis or Jews defending themselves and by doing so living. During the peace talks last week. Four Israelis were murdered one in a pregnant woman, the confirmed the kill by shooting her in her stomach four times.

    As long as a "cri...
    Your country got 9/11 and bombed Iraq back to the stone age 1,000,000 dead and are now in Afghanistan. Do you think that is a reasonable response? Do you think that a government has a right to protect its citizens and country from attack?

    Israel received over eight years of rockets 14,000 raining down on it. Do you find this acceptable? Do you speak to a people whose very charter and constitution wants your destruction?
    http://www.mideastweb.org/ham...
    http://www.mideastweb.org/fat...

    Do you think it is acceptable to to have your buses, malls, cafes, restaurants blown up AFTER you offer peace and 97% of land?

    Do you think it is exceptable to have a security fence to protect you from such murder and mayhem, if not why not?

    Do you think it is acceptable that a state in the hope of peace ethnically cleanse Jews from their own land, leave green houses, fertile land only to get 600+ rockets fired into over six months into your civilian towns acceptable? How do you propose dealing with it?

    This is where I differ from my dear friends - I will never apologise for Israelis or Jews defending themselves and by doing so living. During the peace talks last week. Four Israelis were murdered one in a pregnant woman, the confirmed the kill by shooting her in her stomach four times.

    As long as a "crime" constitute Jews surviving and defending themselves - I'll pick criminal. I'm sorry that we Jews living, surviving and flourishing annoys you but so far compromise, peace, land hasn't worked against "Palestinian" mass murder, terrorism, hatred and mayhem.
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  • alaa bu... Raven May 08, 2011 20:44:55
    alaa burhan
    +2
    The Rothschilds and Weizmann bribed Britain, Britain annexed Palestine, then curfews in coastal cities allowing ships of European Zionist immigrants to attack and rob land.
    Britain finished part of the job supporting the settlement and establishment of military and illegal Jewish immigrants, leaves Palestine.
    American part, Harry Truman's presidential campaign supported by Zionists later forces the UN to divide Palestine and recognize a Jewish state in it.
    The Zionist lobby in the world and the Christian sympathy get recognition for the Jewish state.
    American absolute military and moral support to the Jewish state.

    Now the Jewish state as ever propagating Goliath (Arabic armies though badly equipped and under British command at the beginning, later under command of traitors and puppets) against David (poor Jews-though highly equipped and trained- escaping Hitler's Nazi Germany to find Arab/Moslem fanatics)

    The Jewish state caused killings on the side of Palestinians and misery till now
    ignited and involved in Black September 1970 war and massacres
    always winning ground and tricking one part against the other the latest one was igniting
    war among Fatah and Hamas!
    ignited and involved in Lebanon War and massacres

    You are not a neighbor! This is an illegitimate and illegal state!
    You are the root of all evil in the region!
  • Raven alaa bu... May 09, 2011 05:31:36 (edited)
    Raven
    +2
    Shoo! You are a racist. And a conspiracy monger. Go away. I have no interest in talking with racists like you. And after looking at your profile

    shoo racist conspiracy monger talking racists profile

    I would have more respect for you if you showed who you really are.
  • jean alaa bu... June 07, 2011 00:39:49
    jean
    +2
    So is there anything that the Jews are not responsible for? You know like your ignorance of the truth?
  • alaa bu... jean June 22, 2011 09:42:19
    alaa burhan
    no, the truth is you have nothing to do with correct right and true!
  • jean alaa bu... June 22, 2011 09:44:07
    jean
    +2
    Yes I do have they truth and I hope in the future you will too.
  • Theodon grok70 September 17, 2010 17:45:30
  • grok70 Theodon September 18, 2010 06:55:17
    grok70
    Now that's the equation for effective public policy. God, if only I had realized that, if only the world realized that, wouldn't everything just fix itself....
  • Theodon grok70 September 18, 2010 15:14:48
  • grok70 Theodon September 19, 2010 05:06:30
    grok70
    If we left the middle east alone The state of israel would cease to exist within 6 months.

    These Jews have built a wonderful and prosperous democracy for themselves using arab's as cheap labor, their land for cheap development, and their religion and ethnicity as an excuse to create an oppressive police state.
  • Theodon grok70 September 19, 2010 15:37:33
    Theodon
    +3
    why would israel cease to exist?

    who would get their nukes?

    have you been to israel?

    i have and there are no great nike factories as in viet nam making running shoes for the elites of the world

    there are farms which are largely mechanized

    there are high tech firms which design electronics but they are manufactured in china

    there are defense industries but few arabs are trusted to work there

    there are many arabs working in the tourist industry but why would people stop visiting israel

    israel is not like a third world arab country where you have to watch your back every minute in the fear that some jihadi will take off your head

    tell your beloved arabs to make a peace before they end up with nothing
  • grok70 Theodon September 19, 2010 23:16:02
    grok70
    Because Israel has not been able to make friends with its neighboors, who would attack it and conquer it. Without NATO support, israel would quickly run out of food, ammo, and weapons during a protracted war.
  • Raven grok70 September 20, 2010 05:27:19
    Raven
    +2
    Israel is not a member of NATO.

    Assuming there is not a WW or large regional war involving Israel -

    Food: Israel exports a large amount of food so I have trouble understanding how they would run out of it. They have agriculture all over the country.

    Weapons: Israel also sells their Israeli made weapons to other countries (including to the US) so I have trouble understanding how they would run out of them today since they manufacture much of their own. I think the main thing they need to buy today are jet planes - but the same goes for the Arab states. The US has the best so Israel wants the best and it's cheaper to buy than to produce their own.

    Israel did not have much US weapon support until after the '67 war and they won their previous wars and didn't starve. The 1967 war was a HUGE and fast win for Israel against several Arab countries. Before the 1967 Six Day War, Israel was supplied mostly by France (and Czechoslovakia before France) but France and the US imposed an arms embargo on Israel during the Six Day War, like the US did in their 1948 war. Regardless of that Israel won.

    The Soviets were supplying and replenishing the Arab arsenals so after the '67 war, the Johnson administration decided it was in the US interest to resupply the Israelis with weapons to maintain a b...
    Israel is not a member of NATO.

    Assuming there is not a WW or large regional war involving Israel -

    Food: Israel exports a large amount of food so I have trouble understanding how they would run out of it. They have agriculture all over the country.

    Weapons: Israel also sells their Israeli made weapons to other countries (including to the US) so I have trouble understanding how they would run out of them today since they manufacture much of their own. I think the main thing they need to buy today are jet planes - but the same goes for the Arab states. The US has the best so Israel wants the best and it's cheaper to buy than to produce their own.

    Israel did not have much US weapon support until after the '67 war and they won their previous wars and didn't starve. The 1967 war was a HUGE and fast win for Israel against several Arab countries. Before the 1967 Six Day War, Israel was supplied mostly by France (and Czechoslovakia before France) but France and the US imposed an arms embargo on Israel during the Six Day War, like the US did in their 1948 war. Regardless of that Israel won.

    The Soviets were supplying and replenishing the Arab arsenals so after the '67 war, the Johnson administration decided it was in the US interest to resupply the Israelis with weapons to maintain a balance against the Soviets.

    The one war where Israel truly needed weapons, tanks and planes from the US was close to the end of the Yom Kippur war, but that was only because PM Golda Meir was told by Nixon to not fire the first shot. She complied and thus put her IDF troops and their arms at serious risk just because she didn't want to upset Nixon. Plus, she received bad intelligence from the Americans and her own intelligence people. Israel lost a huge number of people and weapons in that war but from what I read, Israel won it hands down.

    But you're right in one way. The US lets the world know that they will come to Israel's rescue if there is an all out attack against them by Arab states. That's a disincentive for the Arabs to attack because they know they can't win against the US. The US wants as much stability in the Middle East as it can get because much of the world's supply of oil is there and problems from wars always slide across borders.

    Some interesting sites full of information.

    Myths and Facts
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibra...

    US Foreign Aid
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibra...

    Now Israel only gets military support from the US.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibra...

    Arms Balance
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibra...

    Everything you might want to know about the Myths and Facts regarding Israel. It's an excellent resource. Probably the best online.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibra...

    I know it's the Jewish Virtual Library, but it's excellent. Check it out.
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  • Theodon grok70 September 20, 2010 05:45:25
    Theodon
    +4
    There ain't a freakin country in NATO that has given Israel a dime except for blood money from Germany for the killing 6,000,000 Jews in the death camps.

    During the Yom Kippur war in 1973 when America was transporting planes to Israel to replace the hundreds of planes lost by Israel, not one country in Europe would allow the planes to fly over their territory. The planes had to be carried inside the giant Galaxie aircraft from America.

    France and England have sold Israel no significant arms since 1967 when America become a friend to Israel. They knelt in the oil puddles worship "the Musselmen" as apparently you do.

    I swear, Grok, you gotta read some real history books. I do not know where you get your facts from. Europe has been bought by oil money and they would spit on Israel at moment's notice to please those with the oil money.
  • Raven Theodon September 20, 2010 07:36:13
    Raven
    +2
    I think there were and probably still are many in American politics that would spit on Israel for the Arab oil. I think Johnson had to fight against his State Dept and Truman did too. I read Truman recognized Israel as a state and then issued an arms embargo against them in 1948. Do I have those things right?
  • Theodon Raven September 20, 2010 16:03:11 (edited)
    Theodon
    +3
    You are pretty much right. In the first few years of Israel's existence, Israel depended on Soviet client states like Czechoslovakia for arms but of the world had an arms embargo to the middle east. Of course, the borders to Arab states were long and porous and they had no trouble getting arms in.

    England and America had an arms embargo to the whole area except for England's support for the Arab Legion in Jordan. France sold some arms to Israel as France was in a war in Algeria but France quit selling any arms to Israel in 1967.
  • Chaya2010 grok70 September 21, 2010 10:15:26 (edited)
    Chaya2010
    +1
    1. Israel isn't in NATO.
    2. Israel manufacturers and exports weapons. Israel stops buying them watch how many US jobs and industries fold. You do know 70% of that $3 billion loan has to be spent on US weapons.
    3. Israel has signed a peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan. However, its national suicide to make friends with groups that have waged war and seek to destroy you. Case in point Hezbollah with its 40,000 long range scuds. And if you think we can't make friends with our neighbour look what Syria and Lebanon did and do to their own people.
    4. The bullets that go into your M16 & M4's are made in Israel.
    5. Go have a Jaffa oranges the size of a football.


    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/...
    http://www.thedavidproject.or...
  • grok70 Chaya2010 June 02, 2011 17:03:10
    grok70
    1.Israel receives aid from a NATO member, and Israel is damn well part of the security interests of that NATO member, and if that member of NATO got involved, you bet the rest of NATO would support it because that member of NATO has military bases in all those NATO countries.

    2. Israel mines the copper, steel, aluminum, oil, water, and all the other sundry ingredients for weapons and then manufactures and machines every single piece in israel? Don't be ridiculous. The US economy, especially it's weapons industries can easily take 3billion dollar hit. It's a drop in the bucket. Perhaps someone might lose their job, but there are other jobs to be had.

    3. Israel is a state founded in state that was created by British colonial mandate. And as you say in another post, so are most of the countries in the region. I question the legitimacy of all post-colonial boundaries that would divide nations of people into separate states.

    4. No one cares who manufactures our bullets. Bullets are not hard to make. If Israel stops making them, someone else will, or maybe we will do it ourselves.

    5. ?

    as far as your links go: I'll put em on my tabs and read them when I can.
  • Raven grok70 June 02, 2011 18:36:57
    Raven
    +1
    Wow. That's a really old comment from Chaya. Have you been away? Anyway ... nice to see you.
  • grok70 Raven June 02, 2011 19:45:57
    grok70
    +1
    Yeah i know. I have been away, nice to see you too raven :)
  • Chaya2010 Raven June 03, 2011 02:15:32
    Chaya2010
    +1
    I sent you an email did you get the photos?
  • Raven Chaya2010 June 20, 2011 17:54:38
    Raven
    +1
    Yes. Got them. Beautiful!

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